qf789 wrote:huh ? Australia/HNL is booming. Just look at the fares from SYD to HNL in late December/early Jan. It costs more to fly to HNL than LAX, SFO or DFW !!! & for Americans going HNL/SYD they get USD$1 = AUD$1.26 at present & it should be noted that OZ prices for everything includes all taxes.USAOZ wrote:smi0006 wrote:Costwise, there would be no weight restricted flights, even with high density seating HNL/Australia. Could possibly even do HNL/ADL. For some strange reason Australians like stopping in Hawaii. Thought our beaches are much better & HA have no competition HNL/BNE. Who wants to fly via SYD or even worse AKL. Don't even think BNE/AKL/HNL would connect.
I'm not sure much more capacity is needed into Hawaii. JQ,QF,HA, NZ to an extent have the routes covered. I could perhaps see HA add MEL at some point. Otherwise it's a leisure route with a lot of people burning their points to fly JQ or QF. As a hub for mainland flights it's a bit of a pain having to collect and recheck your bags so 'early' into the journey ex-AU. From a personal preference I'd rather get he long sector over and done with wake up with a coffee and then move to a shorter one. Equally reversed short journey ex-US before a sleep on the long flight home. Especially as we see QF &a NZ expand into ORD/IAH/DFW linking the smaller AU port - PER/ADL/CBR I can't see HNL being competitive for stop overs.
DFW-SYD is really the only flight that suffers a significant penalty. You also need to take other things into account for a flight to be costwise such as airport costs, landing fees, cleaning, catering etc and would expect it would be less attractive to offer a stop in HNL. HNL is also a leisure market and you wouldn't want to tie up your aircraft, especially those that are configured for a significant number of premium passengers on such a market, it would just be a waste. The other thing to take in account with HNL that the market between HNL and Australia is not attractive as a few years ago when the US and Australian dollar where on parity, today markets in Asia are much more attractive.
Saw an example the other day, that due to competition, skiing in Colorado is now cheaper for Australians with exchange rate at AUD$1 = USD$0.80 than when AUD$1 = USD$1.10
So trying to say USA is more expensive for Australians now, due to exchange rate is simplistic & not actually correct,the opposite is true.
How ? Competition. American resorts love Australians cos they stay 2-3 weeks, where the average stay by Americans is 3-4 nights.