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readytotaxi wrote:Are they having problems getting money out as other airlines?
pipeafcr wrote:They are pulling out because of security and operational reasons
pipeafcr wrote:readytotaxi wrote:Are they having problems getting money out as other airlines?
They are pulling out because of security and operational reasons
TheLion wrote:the successes of the early new Bolivarian period
pipeafcr wrote:readytotaxi wrote:Are they having problems getting money out as other airlines?
They are pulling out because of security and operational reasons
ScottB wrote:pipeafcr wrote:readytotaxi wrote:Are they having problems getting money out as other airlines?
They are pulling out because of security and operational reasons
That is what they say publicly, but I imagine repatriation of funds plays a part as well.TheLion wrote:the successes of the early new Bolivarian period
i.e. using petrodollars and printing money to buy votes through largesse from the government...
TheLion wrote:Sad news. I hope they're back soon. Further I wish that Maduro would learn his lessons, change course and open up the country. Every month that things slide deeper into the mire, the successes of the early new Bolivarian period become evermore forgotten, rather than providing evidence as to how different political systems can work, if well managed.
usxguy wrote:pipeafcr wrote:readytotaxi wrote:Are they having problems getting money out as other airlines?
They are pulling out because of security and operational reasons
.... or at least that's what they are TELLING people....
MalevTU134 wrote:ScottB wrote:pipeafcr wrote:
They are pulling out because of security and operational reasons
That is what they say publicly, but I imagine repatriation of funds plays a part as well.TheLion wrote:the successes of the early new Bolivarian period
i.e. using petrodollars and printing money to buy votes through largesse from the government...
You imagine wrong. For the umpteenth time on this forum: Neither AV nor any other foreign airline is, nor have been, selling tickets in Venezuela for the last 2-3 years (exceptions are EQ until early this year and Wingo selling a few tickets earlier this year - that's all). Repatriation of funds is no longer an issue, simply because there are no funds to repatriate.
WWads wrote:DL will probably be next. I have to wonder if AA might go too, despite their ability to forgo a RON.
If I'm a DL pilot, there's no way I'm overnighting in CCS. I'm surprised that the ALPA hasn't filed a formal protest.
The bottom will fall out when an airline crew member is assaulted or robbed.
Okie wrote:Yeah they are, not sure any foreign airline is even overnighting crew anymore.
Corpsnerd09 wrote:So, what international airlines remain? What frequencies/destinations do these remaining airlines serve? Who will be next to go?
dcajet wrote:Not surprising as the rumor was swirling around for the last two weeks. Avianca had to come out with a denial a few days ago on Twitter.
https://twitter.com/Avianca/status/8847 ... 80/photo/1
Guess the cat was out of the bag earlier than they would have preferred or earlier than they were ready to make the announcement.
And look for no conspiracy here or hidden agenda. As MalevTU134 has said, this is not about the money. Anyone who flies on a foreign airlines to/from Venezuela these days does it on a ticket purchased abroad or from Venezuela using an foreign point of sale (e.g. Despegar.com or Expedia) with a non Venezuela issued credit card. There are no funds to repatriate. And those airlines that had money caught up in the chavista parallel universe, have long written it off. They will never see a penny from those funds.
Simply put, as Venezuela slides more into total lawlessness every day and there is a new Cuba in the making, clearly it has become dicey (to put it mildly) to operate there. Caracas Maiquetia must be the only airport in the world where someone who had just got off a plane was robbed and killed right outside the terminal. With Venezuelans not being able to make ends meet any longer, be sure that corruption and bribing combined with the usual chavista ineptitude are at an all time high. In today's Venezuela, a dollar goes a long way.Okie wrote:Yeah they are, not sure any foreign airline is even overnighting crew anymore.
The Euro airlines do (IB, UX, TP and AF - not sure about TK) plus Delta.
I am certain these airlines' corporate security depts. have taken the steps to ensure their crews are safe while on layover. But with these massive strikes led by the opposition and the regime insistence on carrying on with the referendum, the streets are turning ugly so maybe we will see some changes to those airlines SOP while in CCS.Corpsnerd09 wrote:So, what international airlines remain? What frequencies/destinations do these remaining airlines serve? Who will be next to go?
AR with one flight a week
DL with one flight a week
IB
UX
TK
AF
TAME
CM
AA
I am not sure if any Caribbean Islands airlines still fly there or not any longer.
Pretty sad for the once booming CCS, which even used to get Concorde services in the 80s - Air France.
MalevTU134 wrote:WWads wrote:DL will probably be next. I have to wonder if AA might go too, despite their ability to forgo a RON.
If I'm a DL pilot, there's no way I'm overnighting in CCS. I'm surprised that the ALPA hasn't filed a formal protest.
The bottom will fall out when an airline crew member is assaulted or robbed.
I see you have no clue of the conditions under which crew are overnighting in Maiquetía....
WWads wrote:MalevTU134 wrote:WWads wrote:DL will probably be next. I have to wonder if AA might go too, despite their ability to forgo a RON.
If I'm a DL pilot, there's no way I'm overnighting in CCS. I'm surprised that the ALPA hasn't filed a formal protest.
The bottom will fall out when an airline crew member is assaulted or robbed.
I see you have no clue of the conditions under which crew are overnighting in Maiquetía....
Please. Enlighten us.
MalevTU134 wrote:WWads wrote:MalevTU134 wrote:I see you have no clue of the conditions under which crew are overnighting in Maiquetía....
Please. Enlighten us.
Will not...in the interest of that very crew. But they are no less safe than in Lagos or St. Louis for example...no offence to those cities, just stating facts.
WWads wrote:MalevTU134 wrote:WWads wrote:
Please. Enlighten us.
Will not...in the interest of that very crew. But they are no less safe than in Lagos or St. Louis for example...no offence to those cities, just stating facts.
I would say that Lagos and St. Louis are much safer than Caracas at this point.
dcajet wrote:I am not sure if any Caribbean Islands airlines still fly there or not any longer.
pipeafcr wrote:It seems like Delta will also be leaving CCS effective 17 September 2017. There's a scanned letter directed to the INAC with yesterday's date on it and written by DL's representatives in Venezuela stating its intentions of leaving.
https://twitter.com/pvasquezv/status/890309511499706370
pipeafcr wrote:It seems like Delta will also be leaving CCS effective 17 September 2017. There's a scanned letter directed to the INAC with yesterday's date on it and written by DL's representatives in Venezuela stating its intentions of leaving.
https://twitter.com/pvasquezv/status/890309511499706370
MalevTU134 wrote:Not for those crews. That is the last comment I will make on this.
WWads wrote:MalevTU134 wrote:WWads wrote:
Please. Enlighten us.
Will not...in the interest of that very crew. But they are no less safe than in Lagos or St. Louis for example...no offence to those cities, just stating facts.
I would say that Lagos and St. Louis are much safer than Caracas at this point.
yv773p wrote:AA doesn't have any flights loaded after 9/16. Are they suspending too? Or is their schedule not out yet?
MAH4546 wrote:yv773p wrote:AA doesn't have any flights loaded after 9/16. Are they suspending too? Or is their schedule not out yet?
You can book AA flights to CCS and MAR past September 16th. They are loaded.
LAXdude1023 wrote:WWads wrote:MalevTU134 wrote:Will not...in the interest of that very crew. But they are no less safe than in Lagos or St. Louis for example...no offence to those cities, just stating facts.
I would say that Lagos and St. Louis are much safer than Caracas at this point.
Not even close. I cannot speak for Lagos, but overnight in St. Louis is nowhere near as dangerous as Caracas.
edmaircraft wrote:Not surprised. I am surprised to hear that DL and AA are still there, though.
dcajet wrote:edmaircraft wrote:Not surprised. I am surprised to hear that DL and AA are still there, though.
Delta served notice to the Venezuelan authorities today that is suspending its ops in that country effective Sept 16.
American does not overnight its assets or crew in Venezuela, so their operation is different from that of Delta. They fly a couple of r/t a day from MIA and some flights to Maracaibo too. I am sure they are monitoring the situation there very closely.
AirplaneWizard wrote:Horrible! This is going to hurt PDVSA and Venezuelan oil production really hard. There's almost no way left now for oil folks to travel down to Caracas from Houston, and other South American locations. Probably more bad news to come as heavy sanctions are possibly going to be put on the Venezuelan government soon.
MalevTU134 wrote:LAXdude1023 wrote:WWads wrote:
I would say that Lagos and St. Louis are much safer than Caracas at this point.
Not even close. I cannot speak for Lagos, but overnight in St. Louis is nowhere near as dangerous as Caracas.
Please re-read my post carefully.