I know we used to have active threads on AA re-paint status, but have not seen updates in a while. The other day, I found myself wondering if AA was done with the re-paint (where re-paint is intended to occur) and figured they probably were by now.

Fast forward a few days, I'm at ORD and spotted at least two mainline non-MD80s in old paint parked at gates, so I guess they are not done. I realize AA prioritized painting ex-US aircraft first (wise decision). But does anyone know how many planes (either pmAA or pmUS) that are planned to be repainted are still waiting for paint? And when will the full repaint effort be complete?

MD80's are NOT getting repainted. They will be leaving the fleet and any further spend besides standard scheduled maintenance on them is a waste

Check out this site.
https://sites.google.com/site/newamericanfleet/
Don't know how up to date it is, but seems like it's regularly maintained.
Showing 91% repainted, but the Super 80s aren't getting new paint, so it's really 94% repainted if you take out the Super 80s.

NickLAX wrote:

MD80's are NOT getting repainted. They will be leaving the fleet and any further spend besides standard scheduled maintenance on them is a waste

Yep, I realize that. The planes I saw were not MD-80s, and I'm curious about only those planes that AA intends to repaint.

ooslc wrote:

Check out this site.
https://sites.google.com/site/newamericanfleet/
Don't know how up to date it is, but seems like it's regularly maintained.
Showing 91% repainted, but the Super 80s aren't getting new paint, so it's really 94% repainted if you take out the Super 80s.

I had forgot about this site, thanks!

ty97 wrote:

NickLAX wrote:

MD80's are NOT getting repainted. They will be leaving the fleet and any further spend besides standard scheduled maintenance on them is a waste

Yep, I realize that. The planes I saw were not MD-80s, and I'm curious about only those planes that AA intends to repaint.

The entire LUS and Eagle fleets are done. All thats left is some LAA 737s. The rest of the 757s that are not painted will be retired.

Also, one LAA 737 will not be repainted. Other than that, any non-737 not yet repainted is as good as gone.

ooslc wrote:

Check out this site.
https://sites.google.com/site/newamericanfleet/
Don't know how up to date it is, but seems like it's regularly maintained.
Showing 91% repainted, but the Super 80s aren't getting new paint, so it's really 94% repainted if you take out the Super 80s.

Do you know pf a similar site for Air Canada?

aemoreira1981 wrote:

Also, one LAA 737 will not be repainted. Other than that, any non-737 not yet repainted is as good as gone.

Do we know which reg will retain the bare metal scheme?

Amrit

kann123air wrote:

aemoreira1981 wrote:

Also, one LAA 737 will not be repainted. Other than that, any non-737 not yet repainted is as good as gone.

Do we know which reg will retain the bare metal scheme?

Amrit

I bet it will be N921NN. It was the last aircraft delivered in the old colours.

ooslc wrote:

Check out this site.
https://sites.google.com/site/newamericanfleet/
Don't know how up to date it is, but seems like it's regularly maintained.
Showing 91% repainted, but the Super 80s aren't getting new paint, so it's really 94% repainted if you take out the Super 80s.

Thanks for the link. It's now bookmarked for me!

Don't know about all the regional but we had an Air Wisconsin aircraft in YOW the last couple of days still wearing US Airways Express colours. Though i suspect it might be going over to UA colours in the near future.

dmanonice wrote:

Don't know about all the regional but we had an Air Wisconsin aircraft in YOW the last couple of days still wearing US Airways Express colours. Though i suspect it might be going over to UA colours in the near future.

Correct, all of the ZW fleet is leaving within the next ~7 months.

alasizon wrote:

dmanonice wrote:

Don't know about all the regional but we had an Air Wisconsin aircraft in YOW the last couple of days still wearing US Airways Express colours. Though i suspect it might be going over to UA colours in the near future.

Correct, all of the ZW fleet is leaving within the next ~7 months.

Are there still some of the SkyWest CRJ200s in the old Eagle colors?

TripleA wrote:

alasizon wrote:

dmanonice wrote:

Don't know about all the regional but we had an Air Wisconsin aircraft in YOW the last couple of days still wearing US Airways Express colours. Though i suspect it might be going over to UA colours in the near future.

Correct, all of the ZW fleet is leaving within the next ~7 months.

Are there still some of the SkyWest CRJ200s in the old Eagle colors?

There are, all in ORD (also two new liveried ones). The pro-rate flights to SGU from PHX use a Skywest generic 200.

QB737 wrote:

ooslc wrote:

Check out this site.
https://sites.google.com/site/newamericanfleet/
Don't know how up to date it is, but seems like it's regularly maintained.
Showing 91% repainted, but the Super 80s aren't getting new paint, so it's really 94% repainted if you take out the Super 80s.

Do you know pf a similar site for Air Canada?

Dang. I don't. I've found one for the US3 and AS. I don't know how accurate they are or how often they are updated. I already found a few AS planes that aren't updated on the site.

alasizon wrote:

ty97 wrote:

NickLAX wrote:

MD80's are NOT getting repainted. They will be leaving the fleet and any further spend besides standard scheduled maintenance on them is a waste

Yep, I realize that. The planes I saw were not MD-80s, and I'm curious about only those planes that AA intends to repaint.

The entire LUS and Eagle fleets are done. All thats left is some LAA 737s. The rest of the 757s that are not painted will be retired.

I believe that seven 757 (N182AN/N181AN/N679AN/N678AN/N677AN/N676AN/N602AN) are going to be paint in the next six months.

caribair wrote:

alasizon wrote:

ty97 wrote:

Yep, I realize that. The planes I saw were not MD-80s, and I'm curious about only those planes that AA intends to repaint.

The entire LUS and Eagle fleets are done. All thats left is some LAA 737s. The rest of the 757s that are not painted will be retired.

I believe that seven 757 (N182AN/N181AN/N679AN/N678AN/N677AN/N676AN/N602AN) are going to be paint in the next six months.

Some of those are probably going to be retired, rather.

I believe that seven 757 (N182AN/N181AN/N679AN/N678AN/N677AN/N676AN/N602AN) are going to be paint in the next six months.

Some of those are probably going to be retired, rather.

I think you are right. If you see a 757 or a 767 still in the old scheme, it is at this point most likely the case that it won't be repainted in the new livery and retired in the near future (less than one year from now).

There is now only one 767 (out of 31 left in the fleet) still in the old scheme so the chances to spot her in the ClAAssic livery are slim to none.

Speaking of the 757s, maybe N181AN and N182AN will be repainted and stay in the fleet because they must be international 757s that American plans on keeping for a while, but the other 5 mentioned...I don't think so.

If you see an MD-80 you can be at least 99% sure it won't be repainted.

American 767 wrote:

I believe that seven 757 (N182AN/N181AN/N679AN/N678AN/N677AN/N676AN/N602AN) are going to be paint in the next six months.

Some of those are probably going to be retired, rather.

I think you are right. If you see a 757 or a 767 still in the old scheme, it is at this point most likely the case that it won't be repainted in the new livery and retired in the near future (less than one year from now).

There is now only one 767 (out of 31 left in the fleet) still in the old scheme so the chances to spot her in the ClAAssic livery are slim to none.

Speaking of the 757s, maybe N181AN and N182AN will be repainted and stay in the fleet because they must be international 757s that American plans on keeping for a while, but the other 5 mentioned...I don't think so.

If you see an MD-80 you can be at least 99% sure it won't be repainted.

N377AN is the only 763 still in the old livery, so yes, anything that's not a 738 or E140 that's still in the old livery is being retired in the immediate future.

As for the MD-80s, I hope they save and restore N9405T and N984TW.

Boeing778X wrote:

American 767 wrote:

I believe that seven 757 (N182AN/N181AN/N679AN/N678AN/N677AN/N676AN/N602AN) are going to be paint in the next six months.

Some of those are probably going to be retired, rather.

I think you are right. If you see a 757 or a 767 still in the old scheme, it is at this point most likely the case that it won't be repainted in the new livery and retired in the near future (less than one year from now).

There is now only one 767 (out of 31 left in the fleet) still in the old scheme so the chances to spot her in the ClAAssic livery are slim to none.

Speaking of the 757s, maybe N181AN and N182AN will be repainted and stay in the fleet because they must be international 757s that American plans on keeping for a while, but the other 5 mentioned...I don't think so.

If you see an MD-80 you can be at least 99% sure it won't be repainted.

N377AN is the only 763 still in the old livery, so yes, anything that's not a 738 or E140 that's still in the old livery is being retired in the immediate future.

As for the MD-80s, I hope they save and restore N9405T and N984TW.

In the 27JAN17 investor update included AA's Fleet Plan for 2017.
Their present the MAINLINE RETIREMENTS for 2017 as of 56 planes.
The detail for the 757 & the 767 was :
- 17 Boeing 757-200: -12 Q3, -5 Q4
- 9 Boeing 767-300ER: -1 Q2, -4 Q3, -4 Q4
I am understand tha they want to standardize their 757 fleet. The 12 Q3 retirement are the las original US Air birds deliver to US Air in 1995/96 that according to their anoucemet are going to be replace by the AA planes with the new international interior . The other four ex US Air in the fleet are the three that came from American Trans Air & the one that came from North American currently use to Hawaii ; that are newer planes (2000/2001) but are the only four that have diferent configurations in their Galleys, Lavs and Instruments. In the update they mention that by Jan 2018 they are going to have 34 757, my understanding is that will be 26 in the international configuration and 8 for the Hawaii services and all of then are going to be originals AA Planes.

caribair wrote:

Boeing778X wrote:

American 767 wrote:

I believe that seven 757 (N182AN/N181AN/N679AN/N678AN/N677AN/N676AN/N602AN) are going to be paint in the next six months.

Some of those are probably going to be retired, rather.

I think you are right. If you see a 757 or a 767 still in the old scheme, it is at this point most likely the case that it won't be repainted in the new livery and retired in the near future (less than one year from now).

There is now only one 767 (out of 31 left in the fleet) still in the old scheme so the chances to spot her in the ClAAssic livery are slim to none.

Speaking of the 757s, maybe N181AN and N182AN will be repainted and stay in the fleet because they must be international 757s that American plans on keeping for a while, but the other 5 mentioned...I don't think so.

If you see an MD-80 you can be at least 99% sure it won't be repainted.

N377AN is the only 763 still in the old livery, so yes, anything that's not a 738 or E140 that's still in the old livery is being retired in the immediate future.

As for the MD-80s, I hope they save and restore N9405T and N984TW.

In the 27JAN17 investor update included AA's Fleet Plan for 2017.
Their present the MAINLINE RETIREMENTS for 2017 as of 56 planes.
The detail for the 757 & the 767 was :
- 17 Boeing 757-200: -12 Q3, -5 Q4
- 9 Boeing 767-300ER: -1 Q2, -4 Q3, -4 Q4
I am understand tha they want to standardize their 757 fleet. The 12 Q3 retirement are the las original US Air birds deliver to US Air in 1995/96 that according to their anoucemet are going to be replace by the AA planes with the new international interior . The other four ex US Air in the fleet are the three that came from American Trans Air & the one that came from North American currently use to Hawaii ; that are newer planes (2000/2001) but are the only four that have diferent configurations in their Galleys, Lavs and Instruments. In the update they mention that by Jan 2018 they are going to have 34 757, my understanding is that will be 26 in the international configuration and 8 for the Hawaii services and all of then are going to be originals AA Planes.

I don't want to stray too far off topic, but I just rode N602AN on the DFW-ANC run.
Any ideas what fleet will operate the seasonal DFW-ANC trip next summer, if the domestic 757s are all gone?

A few points: ships 935-942 were originally delivered to AW not US.
Of the 8 remaining legacy birds 2 of them 182 and 677 still have the classic 22F wide beige leather seats. The some of those have very low cycles since they have done LAX - Hawaii most of their life.

AA737-823 wrote:

caribair wrote:

Boeing778X wrote:

N377AN is the only 763 still in the old livery, so yes, anything that's not a 738 or E140 that's still in the old livery is being retired in the immediate future.

As for the MD-80s, I hope they save and restore N9405T and N984TW.

In the 27JAN17 investor update included AA's Fleet Plan for 2017.
Their present the MAINLINE RETIREMENTS for 2017 as of 56 planes.
The detail for the 757 & the 767 was :
- 17 Boeing 757-200: -12 Q3, -5 Q4
- 9 Boeing 767-300ER: -1 Q2, -4 Q3, -4 Q4
I am understand tha they want to standardize their 757 fleet. The 12 Q3 retirement are the las original US Air birds deliver to US Air in 1995/96 that according to their anoucemet are going to be replace by the AA planes with the new international interior . The other four ex US Air in the fleet are the three that came from American Trans Air & the one that came from North American currently use to Hawaii ; that are newer planes (2000/2001) but are the only four that have diferent configurations in their Galleys, Lavs and Instruments. In the update they mention that by Jan 2018 they are going to have 34 757, my understanding is that will be 26 in the international configuration and 8 for the Hawaii services and all of then are going to be originals AA Planes.

I don't want to stray too far off topic, but I just rode N602AN on the DFW-ANC run.
Any ideas what fleet will operate the seasonal DFW-ANC trip next summer, if the domestic 757s are all gone?

My guess is 32B or 738, if they don't continue using the 752.

Boeing778X wrote:

AA737-823 wrote:

caribair wrote:

In the 27JAN17 investor update included AA's Fleet Plan for 2017.
Their present the MAINLINE RETIREMENTS for 2017 as of 56 planes.
The detail for the 757 & the 767 was :
- 17 Boeing 757-200: -12 Q3, -5 Q4
- 9 Boeing 767-300ER: -1 Q2, -4 Q3, -4 Q4
I am understand tha they want to standardize their 757 fleet. The 12 Q3 retirement are the las original US Air birds deliver to US Air in 1995/96 that according to their anoucemet are going to be replace by the AA planes with the new international interior . The other four ex US Air in the fleet are the three that came from American Trans Air & the one that came from North American currently use to Hawaii ; that are newer planes (2000/2001) but are the only four that have diferent configurations in their Galleys, Lavs and Instruments. In the update they mention that by Jan 2018 they are going to have 34 757, my understanding is that will be 26 in the international configuration and 8 for the Hawaii services and all of then are going to be originals AA Planes.

I don't want to stray too far off topic, but I just rode N602AN on the DFW-ANC run.
Any ideas what fleet will operate the seasonal DFW-ANC trip next summer, if the domestic 757s are all gone?

My guess is 32B or 738, if they don't continue using the 752.

Hi B778X, you think the 32B could fly that far without a problem? It can fly with the advertised range, but I imagine it'd be tough if headwinds happen (though I guess the flight isn't running in the winter when they are usually strongest). This route just seems like it's ideal for a 757, although ideal doesn't mean cheaper, and economics seem to almost always be the first priority..... behind safety of course!

Whoops, that's a little off-topic...

Guess I can say I've been lucky to spot the AA livery (and on the dog, especially lucky) after seeing a sea of a321S from DFW; everytime I see one, I remember how frequently we used to see MD80s, and how I could be seeing one if it weren't for their retirements.

Jo8338 wrote:

A few points: ships 935-942 were originally delivered to AW not US.

Those were all delivered to US. It's fairly easy to tell since they are all -2B7s. The HP birds were ships 901-910, and all but three of those were actually delivered to RC.

Hi B778X, you think the 32B could fly that far without a problem? It can fly with the advertised range, but I imagine it'd be tough if headwinds happen (though I guess the flight isn't running in the winter when they are usually strongest). This route just seems like it's ideal for a 757, although ideal doesn't mean cheaper, and economics seem to almost always be the first priority..... behind safety of course!

Don't forget that the A321NEO is coming up soon. If the current A321OEO has an issue facing headwinds on that route, I don't think it would be a problem for the NEO.

American 767 wrote:

Speaking of the 757s, maybe N181AN and N182AN will be repainted and stay in the fleet because they must be international 757s that American plans on keeping for a while, but the other 5 mentioned...I don't think so.

N181AN (5EN) and N182AN (5EP) are currently in domestic configuration (5EP still has the old brown leather first class seats), but I wouldn't be surprised if they received the new J cabin.

What will be the fate of Flagship Liberty? Will American find a way to integrate the yellow ribbon into the new livery? Will they take a page from Envoy's playbook, putting the ribbon on the winglets a la E175. Or will another AA icon fade into history?

MLIAA wrote:

What will be the fate of Flagship Liberty? Will American find a way to integrate the yellow ribbon into the new livery? Will they take a page from Envoy's playbook, putting the ribbon on the winglets a la E175. Or will another AA icon fade into history?

The Susan G. Komen 777 was repainted into standard colors and the yellow ribbon wasn't added to any other aircraft when Flagship Freedom was retired, so my money's on no replacement.

Jo8338 wrote:

A few points: ships 935-942 were originally delivered to AW not US.
Of the 8 remaining legacy birds 2 of them 182 and 677 still have the classic 22F wide beige leather seats. The some of those have very low cycles since they have done LAX - Hawaii most of their life.

All currently remaining B757 from the LUS side were being used back east to Europe previously and have/are slowly being converted and refurbed to fly PHX-HI. All remaining were either delivered to US Air, ATA or North American. No former HP B757's are left, they're all in the graveyard!

This fall after the PHL-T/A pull down. This is the plan for the remaining 5 LUS birds in the lay flat J class config.(75E's) 2 will be converted to 75H's to fly PHX-HI (#206,#939) and the other 3 (#935,#935,#941) will be retired.

Also from the 75H fleet(currently already converted from
75E's). There will be (3) retired (#937,#940,#942). When 206, 939 are converted to 75H. It will leave the 75H fleet at 10 birds to use from PHX-HI and some LUS domestic flying it currently does like (PHX-LAX,SAN,DFW,PHL,CLT,CUN,etc.).

Flynclt20 wrote:

Jo8338 wrote:

A few points: ships 935-942 were originally delivered to AW not US.
Of the 8 remaining legacy birds 2 of them 182 and 677 still have the classic 22F wide beige leather seats. The some of those have very low cycles since they have done LAX - Hawaii most of their life.

All currently remaining B757 from the LUS side were being used back east to Europe previously and have/are slowly being converted and refurbed to fly PHX-HI. All remaining were either delivered to US Air, ATA or North American. No former HP B757's are left, they're all in the graveyard!

This fall after the PHL-T/A pull down. This is the plan for the remaining 5 LUS birds in the lay flat J class config.(75E's) 2 will be converted to 75H's to fly PHX-HI (#206,#939) and the other 3 (#935,#935,#941) will be retired.

I thought I read in some communication from corporate to the FAs that there were a few LUS 757s that they wanted to keep, but the lessors had other plans for them. Hence addition to LAA 757 crews to LIS and such. Which planes are those?

Flynclt20 wrote:

Jo8338 wrote:

A few points: ships 935-942 were originally delivered to AW not US.
Of the 8 remaining legacy birds 2 of them 182 and 677 still have the classic 22F wide beige leather seats. The some of those have very low cycles since they have done LAX - Hawaii most of their life.

All currently remaining B757 from the LUS side were being used back east to Europe previously and have/are slowly being converted and refurbed to fly PHX-HI. All remaining were either delivered to US Air, ATA or North American. No former HP B757's are left, they're all in the graveyard!

This fall after the PHL-T/A pull down. This is the plan for the remaining 5 LUS birds in the lay flat J class config.(75E's) 2 will be converted to 75H's to fly PHX-HI (#206,#939) and the other 3 (#935,#935,#941) will be retired.

Also from the 75H fleet(currently already converted from
75E's). There will be (3) retired (#937,#940,#942). When 206, 939 are converted to 75H. It will leave the 75H fleet at 10 birds to use from PHX-HI and some LUS domestic flying it currently does like (PHX-LAX,SAN,DFW,PHL,CLT,CUN,etc.).

So the end state will be 10 75H based at PHX, and 24 LAA 757s in international config for MIA-South America and PHL/JFK to Europe?

Have any airframes in the new livery been retired (not counting airframes damaged beyond economically justifiable repair)? If not, do you think any will be retired before the very last MD-80 goes?

I flew an ORD-SNA-ORD roundtrip this month. At ORD, I saw a few 738s in bare metal, and I saw one CRJ200 in the white Eagle livery. At SNA, I saw one bare metal 738. Other than that, all of the bare metal aircraft were MD-80s, and not many of those. ORD's narrowbodies seem to be skewing towards 738s and A321s.

hivue wrote:

Have any airframes in the new livery been retired (not counting airframes damaged beyond economically justifiable repair)? If not, do you think any will be retired before the very last MD-80 goes?

N376AN immediately comes to mind, which was repainted before being retired in December 2015, only to be reactivated a few months ago to cover for the loss of N345AN in Chicago last October.

FSDan wrote:

Flynclt20 wrote:

Jo8338 wrote:

A few points: ships 935-942 were originally delivered to AW not US.
Of the 8 remaining legacy birds 2 of them 182 and 677 still have the classic 22F wide beige leather seats. The some of those have very low cycles since they have done LAX - Hawaii most of their life.

All currently remaining B757 from the LUS side were being used back east to Europe previously and have/are slowly being converted and refurbed to fly PHX-HI. All remaining were either delivered to US Air, ATA or North American. No former HP B757's are left, they're all in the graveyard!

This fall after the PHL-T/A pull down. This is the plan for the remaining 5 LUS birds in the lay flat J class config.(75E's) 2 will be converted to 75H's to fly PHX-HI (#206,#939) and the other 3 (#935,#935,#941) will be retired.

Also from the 75H fleet(currently already converted from
75E's). There will be (3) retired (#937,#940,#942). When 206, 939 are converted to 75H. It will leave the 75H fleet at 10 birds to use from PHX-HI and some LUS domestic flying it currently does like (PHX-LAX,SAN,DFW,PHL,CLT,CUN,etc.).

So the end state will be 10 75H based at PHX, and 24 LAA 757s in international config for MIA-South America and PHL/JFK to Europe?

Yep. They are keeping 10 LUS 757 to fly PHX-HI for awhile they were going to replace them with B737-MAX not sure if that is still the plan. My guess is A330's thrown in going forward on PHX/HI during peak times. LAA 757's will be used for Int'l out of the East Coast hubs PHL/JFK/CLT/MIA and those will wind down too.

N179AA ferried to ROW on 15-August-2017, reportedly for storage along with N174AA which ferried there on 05-August-2017. Is this correct? I didn't think these were being retired, I can't see any mention above?

There's quite an extensive thread (207 posts since the beginning of the year) on this same subject: New AA painted aircraft - 2017

I would suggest discussion should continue there.

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