What are some TATL routes Norwegian could tackle next?

irishpower · Thu Jul 20, 2017 5:13 pm

I'm curious which TATL routes Norwegian could go after next. They seem to be they are nicely filling voids between city pais that are either under served or not served at all.

Off the top of my head I'm thinking

Bay Area (SFO or OAK) to FCO or MXP
DEN-ZRH
IAH-ZRH
IAH-FCO or MXP

Thoughts??

Midwestindy · Thu Jul 20, 2017 5:17 pm

I assume you mean with the 787 not the 737max?

ANA787 · Thu Jul 20, 2017 5:22 pm

PDX-CDG before Delta/AF announces it. Or PDX-LGW.

slcdeltarumd11 · Thu Jul 20, 2017 5:23 pm

The possibilities are endless. I think LGW- smaller less then daily cities is coming once they can. Places like BNA, STL, MCI, IND, CMH, etc

dfwjim1 · Thu Jul 20, 2017 5:28 pm

How about LGW to Grand Cayman?

Cunard · Thu Jul 20, 2017 5:28 pm

Here we ago again yet another Norwegian topic , let's see how many posts we get on this one!

Although I do tend to read some of them I also find these continuous threads regarding Norwegian are getting rather tedious of late.

787fan8 · Thu Jul 20, 2017 5:29 pm

How about TPA-LGW?

717atOGG · Thu Jul 20, 2017 5:30 pm

I think they could go into ICN or GRU from CDG or LGW if they have the rights to do so, or do CUN-LGW in the winter. Personally, I'd like to see SEA-CDG or SEA-OSL/ARN/CPH, but those might be wishful thinking.

commavia · Thu Jul 20, 2017 5:30 pm

The route to long-term, sustained profitability?

FLYKTPA · Thu Jul 20, 2017 5:31 pm

787fan8 wrote:
How about TPA-LGW?

TPA is rumored to be getting a CDG flight by Norwegian soon.

simpv · Thu Jul 20, 2017 5:35 pm

OAK-FCO has already been announced for Feb 2018

MAH4546 · Thu Jul 20, 2017 5:42 pm

irishpower wrote:
I'm curious which TATL routes Norwegian could go after next. They seem to be they are nicely filling voids between city pais that are either under served or not served at all.

Off the top of my head I'm thinking

Bay Area (SFO or OAK) to FCO or MXP
DEN-ZRH
IAH-ZRH
IAH-FCO or MXP

Thoughts??

No way will they go to Bay Area/IAH-MXP or IAH-ZRH. Those aren't just not served, there isn't much a market.

PatrickZ80 · Thu Jul 20, 2017 6:02 pm

irishpower wrote:
DEN-ZRH
IAH-ZRH

No way they'll start service in Zurich. Much too expensive and too little LCC market. The Swiss got the money to afford legacy airlines, they just don't fit in.

Dusseldorf has been announced to get long haul flights with Norwegian, starting with the usual New York JFK and Los Angeles LAX. I think there's more possible out of Dusseldorf. Also it's been a while since they're added new destinations from the Scandinavian long haul bases (Oslo, Stockholm and Copenhagen). With the upcoming Swedish tax I don't think they'll add anything out of Stockholm, but some new destinations out of Oslo and Copenhagen are certainly possible. Denver for example. They've added Denver out of Gatwick and Charles de Gaulle, but not out of Oslo or Copenhagen and I think there is a market for let's say Copenhagen - Denver.

OzarkD9S · Thu Jul 20, 2017 6:36 pm

slcdeltarumd11 wrote:

The possibilities are endless. I think LGW- smaller less then daily cities is coming once they can. Places like BNA, STL, MCI, IND, CMH, etc

I could see BNA and STL operated in tandem with CDG. 3/4x a week to LGW and 2/3x a week to CDG. MCI, IND and CMH most likely LGW only, to start.

kaitak · Thu Jul 20, 2017 7:00 pm

They've just started 737Max routes from DUB and I think there is room for growth in the Irish market. DUB-FLL/OAK/DEN/SEA are worth looking at, but I think Commavia has pointed out the one route they should be looking at!

gatibosgru · Thu Jul 20, 2017 7:05 pm

Still praying for BCN-BOS.

izbtmnhd · Thu Jul 20, 2017 7:28 pm

I know you guys love to put CLE on the back burner but there's no reason why CLE-LGW won't work, especially at some 2x week frequency.

sdexplorer00 · Thu Jul 20, 2017 7:33 pm

How about a San Diego route, possibly SAN-CDG

Midwestindy · Thu Jul 20, 2017 7:40 pm

I don't think they have gotten to the BNA, STL, IND, CMH, e.t.c group yet, there are still larger markets like TPA/OAK/PDX/MSY/SAN that don't have all their Norwegian dots connected

Also, Norwegian identified CHI, WAS, MSY, and Texas as the next markets, and since they have announced new flights to AUS. So, therefore I expect MSY-CDG/and maybe IAH/ORD-FCO soon

MIflyer12 · Thu Jul 20, 2017 7:59 pm

Cunard wrote:
Here we ago again yet another Norwegian topic , let's see how many posts we get on this one!

Although I do tend to read some of them I also find these continuous threads regarding Norwegian are getting rather tedious of late.

Maybe the Mods could set up a monthly Norwegian thread!

BTVB6Flyer · Thu Jul 20, 2017 8:02 pm

Username bias aside, as I no longer reside in Vermont, but I think BTV, mainly due to its proximity to Canada and specifically MTL could support a 738 TATL flight or two. The new highway from basically MTL to just shy of the VT border has reduced travel time even further, for a populace already known to cross the border for cheaper airfare.

edmaircraft · Thu Jul 20, 2017 8:05 pm

Anything in Canada? YVR, YEG and/or YYC (most likely just YYC), YYZ? YUL perhaps?

Super88 · Thu Jul 20, 2017 8:15 pm

DFW to LGW and Paris would stir the hornets nest here....be nice to see some competition....FCO/BCN/MAD would be nice seasonal routes

BENAir01 · Thu Jul 20, 2017 8:21 pm

edmaircraft wrote:
Anything in Canada? YVR, YEG and/or YYC (most likely just YYC), YYZ? YUL perhaps?

No, Canada is too expensive.

rbavfan · Thu Jul 20, 2017 8:25 pm

kaitak wrote:
They've just started 737Max routes from DUB and I think there is room for growth in the Irish market. DUB-FLL/OAK/DEN/SEA are worth looking at, but I think Commavia has pointed out the one route they should be looking at!

Could you say what that route is or post a link to the information. Saying Commavia has pointed to the one route does not really tell us anything.

rbavfan · Thu Jul 20, 2017 8:27 pm

As we are getting crazy how about BUR-OSL-MLE. And yes I'm being sarcastic.

MIAFLLPBIFlyer · Thu Jul 20, 2017 8:31 pm

irishpower wrote:
I'm curious which TATL routes Norwegian could go after next. They seem to be they are nicely filling voids between city pais that are either under served or not served at all.

Off the top of my head I'm thinking

Bay Area (SFO or OAK) to FCO or MXP
DEN-ZRH
IAH-ZRH
IAH-FCO or MXP

Thoughts??

It seems like Malpensa is a non-starter for long haul these days on most carriers.

OAK-FCO I believe was already announced.

I'd love to see FLL-FCO.

I believe we might see AMS-LAX/OAK/EWR soon and then expansion beyond that to FLL/MCO.

CDG-DEN caught me by surprise I must admit and is an exciting route.

WWads · Thu Jul 20, 2017 8:46 pm

CVG-LGW.

Airport is putting up incentives. They'd need to sort out access to Concourse B (which DL has a stranglehold on), but there's demand.

EarlyLateORD · Thu Jul 20, 2017 8:49 pm

I think a summer seasonal 3X week MSP-ARN/OSL would work, especially if timed with the cruise ships. Its a decent sized market that is mostly carried by IcelandAir. While the ties to Scandinavia aren't as big here as thought, they are still sizable and worthy of a light service.

Otherwise

STL-LGW
IND-LGW

Adam

shane · Thu Jul 20, 2017 8:52 pm

sdexplorer00 wrote:
How about a San Diego route, possibly SAN-CDG

I'm feeling SAN too. CDG, seasonal FCO and/or BCN maybe even LGW to compete with BA's LHR route.

flyfresno · Thu Jul 20, 2017 9:15 pm

JFK-BUD?

RL757PVD · Thu Jul 20, 2017 9:22 pm

PVD-LGW, PVD-NCL PVD-MAN, PVD-BHX, seasonal PVD-OSL (for europe connections)

reidar76 · Thu Jul 20, 2017 9:23 pm

PatrickZ80 wrote:
irishpower wrote:
DEN-ZRH
IAH-ZRH

No way they'll start service in Zurich. Much too expensive and too little LCC market. The Swiss got the money to afford legacy airlines, they just don't fit in.

Norwegian can't operate flights from Switzerland to the US. Switzerland is not part of the EU single aviation market. Only Swiss or US airlines can fly DEN-ZRH or IAH-ZRH.

Switzerland is very similar to Norway. Both countries are among the worlds most wealthiest per capita. In both countries wealth is distributed among the population. That means that there is very little difference between the richest and poorest, and therefore we have a more classless society (and classless aircraft cabins). Everyone can afford to fly internationally several times a year. That is an excellent playground for LCCs. :-)

Croden · Thu Jul 20, 2017 9:27 pm

Would they start to Houston from anywhere?

jbpdx · Thu Jul 20, 2017 9:31 pm

FUK-HEL. Old joke. Sorry, I couldn't resist.

PatrickZ80 · Thu Jul 20, 2017 9:33 pm

RL757PVD wrote:
PVD-LGW, PVD-NCL PVD-MAN, PVD-BHX, seasonal PVD-OSL (for europe connections)

Providence is a 737 destination, not a Dreamliner destination. They're using Boston (Logan) for their Dreamliner flights to Boston. The Dreamliners, unlike the 737MAX, usually operate from the major airports.

Providence - Oslo would be really pushing the limits for a 737MAX. Let's first see how they do with their flights from Bergen to Providence, which is already quite far. Furthermore I think Dublin and Edinburgh are their airports for connections within Europe for these flights.

PatrickZ80 · Thu Jul 20, 2017 9:38 pm

Croden wrote:
Would they start to Houston from anywhere?

From Gatwick, certainly possible. Honestly I was thinking Houston would be their Texas destination, it turned out to be Austin but Houston is still possible. Recently BA pulled out of Bergen and Stavanger from Heathrow, Norwegian serves both cities from Gatwick so a connecting Gatwick - Houston flight would seem logical. There's quite some demand between Bergen / Stavanger and Houston (for oil). BA is making it easy for Norwegian, only Norwegian so far didn't jump at the opportunity.

RL757PVD · Thu Jul 20, 2017 9:38 pm

PatrickZ80 wrote:
RL757PVD wrote:
PVD-LGW, PVD-NCL PVD-MAN, PVD-BHX, seasonal PVD-OSL (for europe connections)

Providence is a 737 destination, not a Dreamliner destination. They're using Boston (Logan) for their Dreamliner flights to Boston. The Dreamliners, unlike the 737MAX, usually operate from the major airports.

Providence - Oslo would be really pushing the limits for a 737MAX. Let's first see how they do with their flights from Bergen to Providence, which is already quite far. Furthermore I think Dublin and Edinburgh are their airports for connections within Europe for these flights.

Those could all be 737 MAX, but also whats to say they couldn't do a 787 in the mix as well? its the same brand/website? Why couldn't they split a 787 for LGW between PVD and SWF or BDL (5x 5x 4x etc) alongside the 737 ops.

Or perhaps they do STN with 737s for London to capitalize on the Ryanair Interline.

PatrickZ80 · Thu Jul 20, 2017 9:40 pm

flyfresno wrote:
JFK-BUD?

Was recently announced by LOT Polish Airlines. Norwegian hardly has any presence in Budapest, so I don't think they'd go for it.

Nami · Thu Jul 20, 2017 9:43 pm

717atOGG wrote:
I think they could go into ICN or GRU from CDG or LGW if they have the rights to do so, or do CUN-LGW in the winter. Personally, I'd like to see SEA-CDG or SEA-OSL/ARN/CPH, but those might be wishful thinking.

As far as I know Bjorn Kjos said a few months ago during the opening ceremony of OSL expansion that there would be a route from OSL to SEA. No mention of when, and plans can always change, though.

Arion640 · Thu Jul 20, 2017 9:46 pm

Shows that most of the forum is American. 90% of the destinations suggested are in America.

PatrickZ80 · Thu Jul 20, 2017 9:49 pm

MIAFLLPBIFlyer wrote:
I believe we might see AMS-LAX/OAK/EWR soon and then expansion beyond that to FLL/MCO.

Problem with Amsterdam is that it's very tough to get slots these days. The airport is full and no growth is possible until 2020. Ryanair has already complained about this. They want to grow at Amsterdam but are unable to get any slots. Unlike at Gatwick Norwegian doesn't have an extensive short haul network at Amsterdam, so they can't cut short haul flights in favour of long haul flights as they do at Gatwick.

flyfresno · Thu Jul 20, 2017 9:52 pm

PatrickZ80 wrote:
flyfresno wrote:
JFK-BUD?

Was recently announced by LOT Polish Airlines. Norwegian hardly has any presence in Budapest, so I don't think they'd go for it.

What better time to enter the market? LOT is basically a full-service airline, I don't think either would draw a very many passengers away from the other.

CairnterriAIR · Thu Jul 20, 2017 10:07 pm

BDL-LGW

reidar76 · Thu Jul 20, 2017 10:07 pm

Arion640 wrote:
Shows that most of the forum is American. 90% of the destinations suggested are in America.

Yes.

Their newly acquired UK AOC opens up possibilities for flights between the UK and Canada. These could be operated by 737 MAX 8 as the distance is less than 3000 nm. Queen Elizabeth II in London is head of state of Canada, and Commonwealth agreements opens up good possibilities for entering the Canadian TATL market with their UK AOC.

More flights to the Caribbean and additional destinations in EU to EZE in South America might be on the table. Connecting LGW+ to GIG could also be a possibility.

jfk777 · Thu Jul 20, 2017 10:19 pm

With all the existing from LGW to the USA, new flights to Buenos Aires and Singapore plus the Oslo, Copenhagen and Stockholm flights to Bangkok Norwegian must have 50 787. All those new 787 could make a tasty merger morsel for some hungry and expansionary airline, especially some run by Hungry Irishman.

ConcourseZ · Thu Jul 20, 2017 10:40 pm

LGW - PIT or DUB - PIT. Those are the rumors.

hibtastic · Thu Jul 20, 2017 10:55 pm

They have talked about more from EDI. LA, San Francisco, Memphis and Toronto were mentioned. Personally I think (or hope) that EDI-MCO would be a winner for them too.

They also talk about more destinations north of Boston - presumably MAX routes.

http://www.scotsman.com/news/transport/ ... -1-4477392

Drucocu · Thu Jul 20, 2017 11:45 pm

How about starring a hub at AMS or EIN?
Start challenging Skyteam monopolies such as AMS/EIN-ATL/NYC and other alliances' cheap routes as MIA and SFO bay area. Use the 787 to rotate between AMS/EIN and LGW to handle the huge NL-UK traffic, and to enable more airtime for the frames by optimizing schedules.
From Holland and Germany SEA/PDX/ATL is around €700-€1000 at cheapest and generally the Dutch are always interested in cheap deals, so if they could offer those for around €300-400 at cheapest, lots of people would be willing to give up checked bags nd food. Same for NYC with A321LR. Offer the cheapest tickets around €200 (or even €300-350 given it'll be a direct flight) roundtrip and people would forego driving to DUS to fly for €277.

Just my 5 cents

aemoreira1981 · Fri Jul 21, 2017 12:16 am

If Norwegian decides to operate some of the A321LRs itself instead of placing them up for dry lease (Norwegian has an order book of 30 A321LRs and 70 A320neos for its dry-leasing division), I could see them deciding to try Manchester, Glasgow, Edinburgh (seasonal) and maybe Birmingham to BOS, JFK, and BWI, using planes in a 210-seat configuration (C30Y180), and also restart seasonal service to Bergen.

As for Canada...I would suggest that perhaps LGW to YOW is possible with an A321LR. YYZ or YUL would need to be done by a Dreamliner, IMO...a 787-8.

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