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Rumor: Emirates to select the B787-9 and B787-10

Mon Jul 17, 2017 7:49 am

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Re: EMIRATES select the B787-9 and B787-10

Mon Jul 17, 2017 7:54 am

Truly amazing as the airshow isn't until November!!!
 
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Re: EMIRATES select the B787-9 and B787-10

Mon Jul 17, 2017 7:55 am

Strategicaeroresearch? That's about the least reliable source one can find regarding anything Boeing or Airbus related. It's Saj Ahmad's site, a guy whose sole purpose in life is to get off to anything Boeing or GE related, and bash everything related to Airbus or any engine manufacturer besides GE.

Literally nobody in the industry takes that guy seriously.
 
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Re: EMIRATES select the B787-9 and B787-10

Mon Jul 17, 2017 7:56 am

This "source" has claimed this several times before over the last couple of years. I only believe it when Emirates actually places an order with Boeing and I very much doubt that they will place one this year.
 
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Re: EMIRATES select the B787-9 and B787-10

Mon Jul 17, 2017 7:57 am

I'll believe it all when it's formally announced. The comments about phasing out the A380s seems somewhat speculative at this stage.
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Re: EMIRATES select the B787-9 and B787-10

Mon Jul 17, 2017 8:02 am

The title of this thread is rather clickbaity
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Re: EMIRATES select the B787-9 and B787-10

Mon Jul 17, 2017 8:03 am

I was excited for Boeing and Emirates, but reading a few other articles from the source website was a letdown. While this story isn't at all impossible, it's hard to believe with all the unsubstantiated claims I read.
 
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Re: EMIRATES select the B787-9 and B787-10

Mon Jul 17, 2017 8:04 am

Wouldn't surprise me if they do order the 787, seeing as they cancelled the A350 (50 A359) and it would be strange that they gave up the pricing they had. If they really wanted the A359 they would have just converted the 20 A35K to A359. But according to the article it seems that the strategy will be to replace the A380's with 779's. Would that mean that the 77W replacement would then be the 787s? That would be some loss of seats, then again EK have been struggling with overcapacity so this would solve the problem they have right now in 5-10 years time.
 
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Re: EMIRATES select the B787-9 and B787-10

Mon Jul 17, 2017 8:06 am

PlanesNTrains wrote:
The comments about phasing out the A380s seems somewhat speculative at this stage.


It's wishful thinking on Ahmad's part. Remember this is a guy who passionately hates Airbus and everything they have done, are doing and will ever do. Take a look at his site, pretty much every 'article' on there is him either talking up Boeing and / or GE, or him railing against Airbus and / or anyone but GE. The guy is a joke, with zero credibility.
 
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Re: EMIRATES select the B787-9 and B787-10

Mon Jul 17, 2017 8:27 am

pabloeing wrote:



Pretty average article even if part of it turns out to be true.

Did this guy also tell you NZ were ordering 779's at Paris Airshow?
 
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Re: Rumor: Emirates to select the B787-9 and B787-10

Mon Jul 17, 2017 8:42 am

Please note as the article is pure speculation at this stage the title of the thread has been changed to a rumor
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Re: EMIRATES select the B787-9 and B787-10

Mon Jul 17, 2017 8:49 am

Just another bloke with OCD sadly.But whatever makes him happy in life.Doesnt really harm anybody.

But I imagine it is the way (787) they will go as it meets their stated requirements far better than Airbus really.
As for the A380 long term - who knows.Wont happen in a hurry either way.It may of course be the 'only' way they can go very long term.
 
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Re: Rumor: Emirates to select the B787-9 and B787-10

Mon Jul 17, 2017 9:30 am

Other posts from the same web site:

Closer Look At 737-10 Advantage Over A321neo
A330neo In As Much Disarray As Failing A380
A380 Death Evident In Airbus Sales Desperation
787 Makes A330neo Look Like Abject A340
737 MAX LEAP-1B Engine Right On Target
A321neo Service Entry Delays
GTF Woes Denting A320neo Values, Lease Rates
A380neo Dead. A350-1000 Battered By 777X. Where Next For Airbus’ Dithering Widebody Strategy?
Airbus & EU Dealt Bloody Nose By WTO
Emirates Closing In On Major 787-10 Deal? (June 8th, 2015)
787-10 At Emirates (July 1st, 2014)
Could Emirates Purchase 747-8 Intercontinental?
Airbus’ Poor Calculus: 777X Decimates A350-1000
 
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Re: Rumor: Emirates to select the B787-9 and B787-10

Mon Jul 17, 2017 9:48 am

Strange website. Sounds not very credible. Just publishing spectacular headlines is not enough.
 
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Re: Rumor: Emirates to select the B787-9 and B787-10

Mon Jul 17, 2017 10:06 am

This guys sounds like the Andrew Anane of Boeing (only people who read YouTube comments on Airbus' and Boeing's videos will understand this reference).
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Re: Rumor: Emirates to select the B787-9 and B787-10

Mon Jul 17, 2017 10:22 am

While I think the 787-10 is a very distinct possibility for EK (I think it's the frontrunner) I'd base that solely on what they want and based on what we already know and see, and base none of it based on what the guy says. He does come up with a fair amount of BS.
 
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Re: Rumor: Emirates to select the B787-9 and B787-10

Mon Jul 17, 2017 11:00 am

Well I got a kick out of it for a Monday morning. He`s definitely one of the "If it ain`t Boeing I ain`t going" brigade :)
 
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Re: Rumor: Emirates to select the B787-9 and B787-10

Mon Jul 17, 2017 11:01 am

I suspect that the 787 will indeed end up with Emirates, possibly even this year, I don't believe this article offers any reliable new insight to previous speculation. My eyes rolled pretty hard when the article said "Detailed intelligence states"... Lines like that aren't exactly typical of credible sources of new information.

I'm a Boeing fan, but even I'm borderline offended by obvious Boeing bias in his article!
 
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Re: Rumor: Emirates to select the B787-9 and B787-10

Mon Jul 17, 2017 11:15 am

I would like to see some 787-10's and A350-1000 in Emirates.
 
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Re: Rumor: Emirates to select the B787-9 and B787-10

Mon Jul 17, 2017 11:49 am

This kind of substantial topic staying online says some thing about the credibility of this website if it remains active ...
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Re: Rumor: Emirates to select the B787-9 and B787-10

Mon Jul 17, 2017 11:57 am

atcsundevil wrote:
I suspect that the 787 will indeed end up with Emirates, possibly even this year, I don't believe this article offers any reliable new insight to previous speculation. My eyes rolled pretty hard when the article said "Detailed intelligence states"... Lines like that aren't exactly typical of credible sources of new information.

I'm a Boeing fan, but even I'm borderline offended by obvious Boeing bias in his article!


I noticed the same thing -- and "detailed intelligence" was a hyperlink to his own Twitter feed! My god, such a detailed set of intelligence! :biggrin:
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Re: Rumor: Emirates to select the B787-9 and B787-10

Mon Jul 17, 2017 12:19 pm

ojjunior wrote:
This kind of substantial topic staying online says some thing about the credibility of this website if it remains active ...
Hello mods!

It isn't our place to remove things like this, only to post disclaimers that the topic involved is speculative and should be approached with skepticism (why the word "rumor" was inserted into the title). We aren't going to delete the thread on the basis that the credibility is questionable. I, for one, appreciated the laugh on my Monday morning.

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I noticed the same thing -- and "detailed intelligence" was a hyperlink to his own Twitter feed! My god, such a detailed set of intelligence! :biggrin:

I just facepalmed so hard I think I've got a concussion. Although I have to give him credit for employing the inception tactic when sourcing material. Look at this evidence I have that I also just created while sourcing myself in another article I wrote!
 
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Re: Rumor: Emirates to select the B787-9 and B787-10

Mon Jul 17, 2017 12:23 pm

Probably the most one-sided website I have encountered for a while...
 
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Re: Rumor: Emirates to select the B787-9 and B787-10

Mon Jul 17, 2017 12:37 pm

Fully agree with those posters above that say that these kind of baseless and unsubstantiated rumors should not be given a global forum here.

StrategicAero is little more than the online vehicle of a Boeing uber fanatic, known for spouting biased, uninformed nonsense ...

Other recent classics from his personal website ...

"with Boeing’s ITC complaint in full swing – and the stark likelihood that Bombardier will be hit, and hit hard, the undisputed fact is that the CSeries has been widely rejected the world over and it cannot be saved ... with any luck, the Boeing complaint and envisaged penalties will start the ball rolling to Bombardiers well overdue collapse and closure."

Or another ...

"Having roundly been slapped in the face several times by Boeing’s domino-effect deal-after-deal at the show, the weakness in Airbus’ widebody product offerings becomes ever more stark. Airbus can cheer up knowing that it wasn’t alone in failing to sell any of its much vaunted key products. Bombardier too, failed to gain a single order for the rubbish-selling CSeries – a trait that it has kept for many air shows (indeed, why the break the habit of a lifetime!)."

What credible aviation research firm with actual clients would ever talk like that?

It would be good to be able to have a real and open discussion about Emirates' widebody fleet needs ... without this noise dressed up as some kind of 'inside information'.
 
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Re: Rumor: Emirates to select the B787-9 and B787-10

Mon Jul 17, 2017 12:39 pm

Although it is possible, the whole ''777x replacing A380'' is a pile of bs. Some of them maybe, but definitely not all of them. But they could very well order the 787, as they may wanna expand to smaller markets or add more frequencies to liberate larger planes for other routes.
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Re: Rumor: Emirates to select the B787-9 and B787-10

Mon Jul 17, 2017 12:54 pm

He is not the only fact peddler in the industry, there are quite a few.
 
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Re: EMIRATES select the B787-9 and B787-10

Mon Jul 17, 2017 1:04 pm

PlanesNTrains wrote:
I'll believe it all when it's formally announced. The comments about phasing out the A380s seems somewhat speculative at this stage.


The only reason the A380 exists today is EK. Sales have plummeted and no interest seems to be on the horizon. The 779 seems to make sense considering its adaptability in filling more routes and adding frequency which is what travelers want.
 
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Re: Rumor: Emirates to select the B787-9 and B787-10

Mon Jul 17, 2017 1:37 pm

Exactly. EK is synonymous with the a380. They're not going anywhere.
 
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Re: Rumor: Emirates to select the B787-9 and B787-10

Mon Jul 17, 2017 2:00 pm

http://sajahmadfactcheck.blogspot.fi/

This is a much more informative site. Too bad it's not been updated for a long time.
 
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Re: Rumor: Emirates to select the B787-9 and B787-10

Mon Jul 17, 2017 2:25 pm

Finn350 wrote:
Other posts from the same web site:

Closer Look At 737-10 Advantage Over A321neo
A330neo In As Much Disarray As Failing A380
A380 Death Evident In Airbus Sales Desperation
787 Makes A330neo Look Like Abject A340
737 MAX LEAP-1B Engine Right On Target
A321neo Service Entry Delays
GTF Woes Denting A320neo Values, Lease Rates
A380neo Dead. A350-1000 Battered By 777X. Where Next For Airbus’ Dithering Widebody Strategy?
Airbus & EU Dealt Bloody Nose By WTO
Emirates Closing In On Major 787-10 Deal? (June 8th, 2015)
787-10 At Emirates (July 1st, 2014)
Could Emirates Purchase 747-8 Intercontinental?
Airbus’ Poor Calculus: 777X Decimates A350-1000


Look, I'm not a huge Airbus enthusiast, though I like them, but that is a list of Pro-Boeing BS! The only thing I can remotely agree on is the A380 drought.

They can't even say the 777X "decimates" the A350-1000! Real numbers determine that, and besides, both those aircraft seem on par in many ways.
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Re: Rumor: Emirates to select the B787-9 and B787-10

Mon Jul 17, 2017 2:28 pm

It's good that this shill is exposed here for what he is.
 
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Re: Rumor: Emirates to select the B787-9 and B787-10

Mon Jul 17, 2017 2:33 pm

Breathless fanboy garbage.

If anything, EK would be better served putting their money and time into the FlyDubai merger that's being widely discussed as it would provide them with better coverage. There isn't a need then for any kind of bridge between the 737 and 777 fleets until the medium term. The MAX would add a lot of capability and frequency, then if needed adding some A321LR as a complete potshot idea down the line for long and thin.
 
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Re: Rumor: Emirates to select the B787-9 and B787-10

Mon Jul 17, 2017 2:37 pm

Just scroll through their other articles, you'll see the clear bias lol.
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Re: Rumor: Emirates to select the B787-9 and B787-10

Mon Jul 17, 2017 2:39 pm

Finn350 wrote:
Other posts from the same web site:

Closer Look At 737-10 Advantage Over A321neo
A330neo In As Much Disarray As Failing A380
A380 Death Evident In Airbus Sales Desperation
787 Makes A330neo Look Like Abject A340
737 MAX LEAP-1B Engine Right On Target
A321neo Service Entry Delays
GTF Woes Denting A320neo Values, Lease Rates
A380neo Dead. A350-1000 Battered By 777X. Where Next For Airbus’ Dithering Widebody Strategy?
Airbus & EU Dealt Bloody Nose By WTO
Emirates Closing In On Major 787-10 Deal? (June 8th, 2015)
787-10 At Emirates (July 1st, 2014)
Could Emirates Purchase 747-8 Intercontinental?
Airbus’ Poor Calculus: 777X Decimates A350-1000


Thanks for taking the time to point that out! Truly comical.
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Re: Rumor: Emirates to select the B787-9 and B787-10

Mon Jul 17, 2017 2:49 pm

Strato2 wrote:
http://sajahmadfactcheck.blogspot.fi/

This is a much more informative site. Too bad it's not been updated for a long time.


How can one person's obsession and nonsense last so many years?! Especially when most of his "analysis" have been proven wrong! Oy-vey!
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Re: Rumor: Emirates to select the B787-9 and B787-10

Mon Jul 17, 2017 2:59 pm

gatibosgru wrote:
Strato2 wrote:
http://sajahmadfactcheck.blogspot.fi/

This is a much more informative site. Too bad it's not been updated for a long time.


How can one person's obsession and nonsense last so many years?! Especially when most of his "analysis" have been proven wrong! Oy-vey!


He probably gets paid really well to cover any guilt.
 
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Re: Rumor: Emirates to select the B787-9 and B787-10

Mon Jul 17, 2017 3:11 pm

I think the 787-10 would be an excellent choice for EK on many regional routes to Europe and SE Asia. But yeah....at this point...without an announcement from Sir Tim....pure speculation.
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Re: Rumor: Emirates to select the B787-9 and B787-10

Mon Jul 17, 2017 3:26 pm

I like the site, too bad reality is different.
 
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Re: Rumor: Emirates to select the B787-9 and B787-10

Mon Jul 17, 2017 3:35 pm

StrategicAero must be very happy with the number of clicks they got.
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Re: Rumor: Emirates to select the B787-9 and B787-10

Mon Jul 17, 2017 4:03 pm

Plenty of rudimentary search engine optimising going on there too. Lotsa links = lotsa clicks = lotsa advertising revenue.

Or not, as anyone with a brain and half an interest in the subject would just laugh and click away. Porn sites are more realistic than this garbage and a better waste of your half hour.
 
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Re: Rumor: Emirates to select the B787-9 and B787-10

Mon Jul 17, 2017 5:20 pm

Remember this is the guy who was also behind fleetbuzz.net, a site which tried to rival airliners.net about a decade ago, including forums. Problem was that the forum administrator (Saj Ahmad himself under the certainly not biased moniker 'The777Man') would start or get involved in pretty much every discussion, viciously attacking anyone who dared criticize Boeing, or dared to be positive about Airbus. If you called him out on his obvious bias, he'd permanently ban you, after which he'd publicly tar and feather you on the forums.

Needless to say, Fleetbuzz failed.

What I never managed to get my head around though is that he has actually managed to sell himself as an 'aviation analyst', and is regularly quoted as such by several newspapers. I've thought about contacting those papers just to inform them of what the guy actually is.
 
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Re: Rumor: Emirates to select the B787-9 and B787-10

Mon Jul 17, 2017 5:28 pm

So it is settled, no 787s for EK?

Seems like the 787-9/10 is fits into a space where they do not have / wont have capacity offerings. With their cozying relationship with FlyDubai, seems like a good size to fit between 738s on the low end and 77Ws on the next lowest end.
 
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Re: Rumor: Emirates to select the B787-9 and B787-10

Mon Jul 17, 2017 5:37 pm

airzona11 wrote:
So it is settled, no 787s for EK?

Seems like the 787-9/10 is fits into a space where they do not have / wont have capacity offerings. With their cozying relationship with FlyDubai, seems like a good size to fit between 738s on the low end and 77Ws on the next lowest end.

As far as we know no, no 787s for EK right now. EK has been studying the 787/A359 for years now but has constantly pushed back their decision due to the lack of space in DXB for the planes.

Technically StrategicAero could be correct (a broken clock is right twice a day), but I would wait for a better source before declaring the EK 787/A350 decision a done deal.
 
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Re: Rumor: Emirates to select the B787-9 and B787-10

Mon Jul 17, 2017 5:38 pm

Scorpio wrote:
Remember this is the guy who was also behind fleetbuzz.net, a site which tried to rival airliners.net about a decade ago, including forums. Problem was that the forum administrator (Saj Ahmad himself under the certainly not biased moniker 'The777Man') would start or get involved in pretty much every discussion, viciously attacking anyone who dared criticize Boeing, or dared to be positive about Airbus. If you called him out on his obvious bias, he'd permanently ban you, after which he'd publicly tar and feather you on the forums.

Needless to say, Fleetbuzz failed.

What I never managed to get my head around though is that he has actually managed to sell himself as an 'aviation analyst', and is regularly quoted as such by several newspapers. I've thought about contacting those papers just to inform them of what the guy actually is.

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Re: Rumor: Emirates to select the B787-9 and B787-10

Mon Jul 17, 2017 8:40 pm

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What I never managed to get my head around though is that he has actually managed to sell himself as an 'aviation analyst', and is regularly quoted as such by several newspapers. I've thought about contacting those papers just to inform them of what the guy actually is.


You can do nothing about it. All you need is one shoddy blogger/analyst and one shoddy journalist with access to AP, Reuters or other news agency. Next morning it will be covered by all major media outlets throughout the world.
 
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Re: Rumor: Emirates to select the B787-9 and B787-10

Mon Jul 17, 2017 8:47 pm

I'm not sure I've read a more ridiculous website, the bias is beyond blatant. I'm not sure how the writer can make the claim EK will be phasing out its A380 fleet when they've said nothing of the sort and we know they will be taking future A380 deliveries for sometime. That being said, I get the feeling the 787 might have a leg up on the A350 when it comes to this order but I'll wait for an announcement before sharing further opinion.
 
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Re: Rumor: Emirates to select the B787-9 and B787-10

Mon Jul 17, 2017 9:11 pm

LoganTheBogan wrote:
This guys sounds like the Andrew Anane of Boeing (only people who read YouTube comments on Airbus' and Boeing's videos will understand this reference).

THANK YOU. I thought I was the only one who knew how utterly impossible that guy is to have a reasonable argument with.
 
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Re: Rumor: Emirates to select the B787-9 and B787-10

Mon Jul 17, 2017 9:45 pm

Trololzilla wrote:
LoganTheBogan wrote:
This guys sounds like the Andrew Anane of Boeing (only people who read YouTube comments on Airbus' and Boeing's videos will understand this reference).

THANK YOU. I thought I was the only one who knew how utterly impossible that guy is to have a reasonable argument with.


My heart skipped a beat when I read this. I was worried he had found his way to this forum as well...
 
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Re: Rumor: Emirates to select the B787-9 and B787-10

Mon Jul 17, 2017 9:57 pm

Then there's this other guy from Canada stating almost every week that new C-series orders are coming, and they never come.
 
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Re: Rumor: Emirates to select the B787-9 and B787-10

Mon Jul 17, 2017 10:14 pm

Wayfarer515 wrote:
Then there's this other guy from Canada stating almost every week that new C-series orders are coming, and they never come.


Speaking of which, on the opposite end of the spectrum, whatever happened to Planemaker? He was pretty anti-CSeries but seemed to disappear after the AC order IIRC.
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