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Re: Woman dies at SXM after falling from jet blast

Thu Jul 13, 2017 2:09 pm

richierich wrote:
RL757PVD wrote:
The road in front of maho beach should be closed and replaced with a road that parallels the runway by Karachter beach. that connects that now cut off area to simpson bay rather than the Maho plaza (pedestrian access can remain)


Wouldn't a stop light work to prevent road traffic using the road when there is takeoff/landing traffic? Not sure who would control it, but this is surely a low-tech solution that has to be better than building a new road in an area plagued by flooding.


Traffic always stops when there is an aircraft arriving or departing so there is not really an issue there. The locals know not to cross the runway when an airplane is taking off, but the odd time I have seen cars drive by when engines are at full power, probably tourists with rental cars. It would be next to impossible to build another road up the far side of the runway as Simpson Bay beach essentially comes right up to the fence line, and during high tide there is probably only 30ft from the fence to the water. Probably not the best idea to build a road on top of sand. As for the road by Maho, the concrete barrier that separates the road from the beach has to stay, if not the sand would eventually cover the entire road. And in the walls defence it is only about knee high.

I've been to SXM many times and it may sound odd but the safest way to enjoy the jetblast is by holding onto the fence. If you are just standing on the beach, not planted, you will get tossed around. When holding onto the fence it provides a great anchor point. The only time I really felt like I was loosing my grip was directly behind an AA A330, just had to readjust my hands that's all, everything else is pretty easy to hold on to the fence and never let go for anything. I once had my sun-glasses blown off and I didn't even bother turning around for them until the blast was finished, lucky for me they hit that concrete wall and broke into about 5 pieces, good thing they were cheap Wal-Mart glasses. :lol:
 
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Re: Woman dies at SXM after falling from jet blast

Thu Jul 13, 2017 2:09 pm

This is far from being the first time and I'm not really sure if it will make the fences inaccessible in the future. I remember as a kid having seen two different vehicles being blown away by Corsair 747-200 or 300s, despite the forbidding already displayed. There was no fatalities every times but it make the other drivers think about the risk of not stopping for seconds.


Max Q wrote:
It's just a matter of time before this happens again and /or a far worse scenario
with an aircraft hitting the fence.


In the 90's it used to happen at least one time every month the average being two.


ryan78 wrote:
I've been to SXM many times and it may sound odd but the safest way to enjoy the jetblast is by holding onto the fence. If you are just standing on the beach, not planted, you will get tossed around.


Can't agree more. I used to be at the fence and hold it too when I was around 6-8 years old with my best friend. Our favorite were the different DC-9s and MD-80s as they were not too much powerful to blew us aways but enough to get a funny time for us.
 
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Re: Woman dies at SXM after falling from jet blast

Thu Jul 13, 2017 2:15 pm

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How about if the the airport authority erected a concrete wall at this site to replace the guardrail and fence? Make it of such construction and height that it can not be scaled by humans.


I'm surprised that that isn't done already. Tunneling the road is a no go that close to the shore.
 
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Re: Woman dies at SXM after falling from jet blast

Thu Jul 13, 2017 2:26 pm

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A blast fence is not possible without pushing the threshold further back due to approach slope requirements

Why? A fence is a fence. If the existing fence is replaced by a blast fence of the same height in the same location I don't see why approach slope requirements would change.

A blast fence is probably the best solution to keeping everyone safe while keeping the Maho Beach attraction intact.
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Re: Woman dies at SXM after falling from jet blast

Thu Jul 13, 2017 2:28 pm

We need to stop pandering to stupidity. Put up additional signs making it absolutely clear that any injury/death resulting from fence riding is entirely on the individual. Make it more than obvious it is a dangerous activity and let that be the end of it. A blast fence is a no no because of the lack of room both vertically and horizontally. Beside, you do not want to put a large solid object at the very end of a runway. That would make an overrun or undershoot siltation deadly. A traffic light system would prevent vehicle damage, but most people with an ounce of sense in them don't try to drive past when a plane is sitting at the end of the runway.

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Re: Woman dies at SXM after falling from jet blast

Thu Jul 13, 2017 2:29 pm

Does anyone have any info on what airline/aircraft it was? I have taken some awesome shots as the aircraft are turning to line up on 10. I stand on the guardrail next to the fence but well past the centerline where the jet blast is. I can't imagine them doing anything but putting a blast fence in, it is a huge tourist attraction, and seriously doubt they would close anything.
 
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Thu Jul 13, 2017 2:37 pm

Probably needs to end. I remember seeing near death experiences over there from people who didn't realize how powerful the jet blast would be. Even people on the beach on the other side of the road were rolling over because they weren't ready.
 
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Re: Woman dies at SXM after falling from jet blast

Thu Jul 13, 2017 2:40 pm

aemoreira1981 wrote:
dfwjim1 wrote:
How about if the the airport authority erected a concrete wall at this site to replace the guardrail and fence? Make it of such construction and height that it can not be scaled by humans.


I'm surprised that that isn't done already. Tunneling the road is a no go that close to the shore.


Not possible... you need a minimum of 34:1 slope extending from the landing threshold, and no objects that are not frangible within 1,000 ft off the end of the departure end of the runway (Runway 27)
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Re: Woman dies at SXM after falling from jet blast

Thu Jul 13, 2017 3:07 pm

Where was the common sense with this woman? There are plenty of signs clearly indicating the real danger that comes with the effects of being in the path of jet blast. I can't imagine what the family is going through, but she made a choice to disregard the warnings and take the risk of bodily injury and paid the ultimate price.

I spend time at Maho beach on every visit to SXM and I really hope this incident doesn't spell changes for how people come and enjoy the experience of watching landings and takeoffs.
 
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Re: Woman dies at SXM after falling from jet blast

Thu Jul 13, 2017 3:18 pm

dfwjim1 wrote:
How about if the the airport authority erected a concrete wall at this site to replace the guardrail and fence? Make it of such construction and height that it can not be scaled by humans.


But wouldn't there be a risk - even if slight - to the aircraft coming in, seeing as the threshold is literally smack on the other side of the fence?

klakzky123 wrote:
Probably needs to end. I remember seeing near death experiences over there from people who didn't realize how powerful the jet blast would be. Even people on the beach on the other side of the road were rolling over because they weren't ready.


There is, IMO, a legit question: How far do we, should we go in idiot-proofing the world, and at what point do we stop?
 
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Re: Woman dies at SXM after falling from jet blast

Thu Jul 13, 2017 3:35 pm

What I find ironic is that during all of the 747 and A340 departures over the years and throngs of folks behind them, it was a 737.
I have always wanted to visit SXM for the Maho action, and nothing else ( well maybe casino, too) but since 747s are gone, appeal has waned a lot and I think maybe something like this may curtail ( a bit) the appeal as well.
Hope it doesn't get more restrictive to do, and people can decide for themselves what risk they want to take.
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Re: Woman dies at SXM after falling from jet blast

Thu Jul 13, 2017 3:35 pm

andrew50 wrote:
Does anyone have any info on what airline/aircraft it was?


Reports are it was a Caribbean Airlines 737-800 bound for Port of Spain on Monday 10th, July.
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Re: Woman dies at SXM after falling from jet blast

Thu Jul 13, 2017 3:42 pm

ryan78 wrote:
Traffic always stops when there is an aircraft arriving or departing so there is not really an issue there. The locals know not to cross the runway when an airplane is taking off, but the odd time I have seen cars drive by when engines are at full power, probably tourists with rental cars. It would be next to impossible to build another road up the far side of the runway as Simpson Bay beach essentially comes right up to the fence line, and during high tide there is probably only 30ft from the fence to the water. Probably not the best idea to build a road on top of sand. As for the road by Maho, the concrete barrier that separates the road from the beach has to stay, if not the sand would eventually cover the entire road. And in the walls defence it is only about knee high.

I've been to SXM many times and it may sound odd but the safest way to enjoy the jetblast is by holding onto the fence. If you are just standing on the beach, not planted, you will get tossed around. When holding onto the fence it provides a great anchor point.


Fair point.
Safest place on Maho Beach is actually just away from the jetblast area, closer to the Sunset Bar & Grill, if you ignore the broken glass bottles that litter the area. You can watch the planes land and drink cheap beers while bobbing around in the water all day (water shoes recommended.)

I'm actually thinking this incident will not alter the beach in any way, perhaps the result will be a couple more signs added or perhaps holding on the fence will be prohibited by law with threats of fines or arrest. It would probably take a major disaster to close the beach to tourists...this isn't the overly litigious USA we are talking about here. I hope nothing like that ever happens, of course.

It is extremely sad that this woman died, but in my limited experience at SXM, most fence-riders don't get blasted into the water as some may have you believe. It is usually the mix of burning hot exhaust and sand/debris that makes people run away, and they usually don't see the concrete barrier or lose control while running and fall that is the injury danger. Simply running on the road toward the Sunset Bar would work just as effectively, and be a lot safer, but people don't think like that in the moment. We each should take some responsibility for our own situational awareness.
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Re: Woman dies at SXM after falling from jet blast

Thu Jul 13, 2017 3:48 pm

People die. It's sad. When they do stupid things that lead to their death it is no reason for everybody else to suffer. Are we going to ban cars because people get killed in them?

How about we ban alcohol instead? It probably has more to do with deaths on that fence than the fence does.
 
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Re: Woman dies at SXM after falling from jet blast

Thu Jul 13, 2017 3:48 pm

mtnwest1979 wrote:
What I find ironic is that during all of the 747 and A340 departures over the years and throngs of folks behind them, it was a 737.
I have always wanted to visit SXM for the Maho action, and nothing else ( well maybe casino, too) but since 747s are gone, appeal has waned a lot and I think maybe something like this may curtail ( a bit) the appeal as well.
Hope it doesn't get more restrictive to do, and people can decide for themselves what risk they want to take.


The B747s and A340s always grabbed the attention at SXM (and I was fortunate enough to see the former several times), but the most serious take-off blast was usually by large twin-engine aircraft, such as the B763 or A330, and rear-engine planes such as Insel Air's and PAWA's MD-80s. In the case of the MadDogs, those engines hang very close to the fence, and in my opinion, the noise/heat/blast from those jets was the most impressive (or most dangerous, if you're a glass half-empty kind of person.)
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Re: Woman dies at SXM after falling from jet blast

Thu Jul 13, 2017 3:53 pm

Regarding a blast fence there are plenty of examples of one right up against a runway with minimal displacement such as at SXM.
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They can be made from fiberglass and designed to give if struck by an overrunning aircraft, as Southwest Airlines aptly demonstrated at MDW.
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For this reason I fail to see why they would be treated any different than approach lights for example, which are also designed to give if struck by an aircraft.


Regarding the concrete curb, looks like the one running down the middle of the road is a new-ish development as it is missing in the below photo:
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Not sure what purpose it serves and could me removed at a minimum.
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Re: Woman dies at SXM after falling from jet blast

Thu Jul 13, 2017 4:09 pm

Very sad news. RIP.
So for many many years, thousands upon thousands of people have hung to those fences for dear life to experience the thrill of the jet blast. Sadly, one person dies and now she's labeled as stupid ? Have some compassion people !
 
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Re: Woman dies at SXM after falling from jet blast

Thu Jul 13, 2017 4:47 pm

Assuming it was a Boeing 737 800, the distance from the aft end of the aircraft at normal takeoff position on TNCM runway 10 to the concrete barrier wall and fence would be around 230 ft. Based on Boeing published exhaust velocities (no wind, standard day) for a 737 800 at takeoff thrust, the approximate exhaust gas velocity at the fence line would be around 80 mph (or 117 ft/second). The enhanced Fujita scale for tornadoes puts this velocity in the range of an EF0 tornado winds (65-85 mph) and right at the edge of an EF1 rating. 50 mph exhaust velocities from a 737 800 can persist as far away as 1000’ from the aft end of the aircraft at takeoff thrust.

How many videos have been shown with lots and lots of people blown off the fence and tumbling backwards uncontrolled before this fatality occurred. May the person who lost her life RIP, but anybody standing directly behind an aircraft behind that fence that close to the aircraft during takeoff is simply foolish IMO.
 
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Re: Woman dies at SXM after falling from jet blast

Thu Jul 13, 2017 5:02 pm

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Is it bad that I laughed? I think it's bad that I laughed.

As soon as I read the headline on the Dailymail I knew I had to come here and check thank god I wasn't the only person who laughed. There are some pretty stupid ways to die and this by is not a tragedy, just a lack of common sense. People have to know that by looking around what will happen if they let go of that fence. My question is will this show up on Avherald listed as an incident or accident? Also does anyone know what kind of plane it was, to add insult to injury what if it was just an A319 or worse a regional jet...
 
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Re: Woman dies at SXM after falling from jet blast

Thu Jul 13, 2017 5:08 pm

I'm guessing this is pretty much what it looked like:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eV21f1MZ5iU
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Re: Woman dies at SXM after falling from jet blast

Thu Jul 13, 2017 5:16 pm

This lady likely ruined it for everyone. There is something that could be done that would allow people to ride the fence but make them assume all of the risk. Put warning signs that stretch from the fence to the edge of the water. Run a chain between all sign posts all the way to the fence. If you enter this no fly zone (ok pun intended) and you get injured... you get a citation for trespassing. Perhaps pass an ordinance that states anyone that gets injured in this zone assumes all liability. So duck under the chain and enjoy the ride. But if you get hurt it is all on you.
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Re: Woman dies at SXM after falling from jet blast

Thu Jul 13, 2017 5:29 pm

Does anyone know how to find out if the beach is open? I have zero plans to hang on the fence so I don't care if they stop that, I just want to be on the beach/in the water and watch airplanes. Was thinking of going this Saturday.
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Re: Woman dies at SXM after falling from jet blast

Thu Jul 13, 2017 5:55 pm

777GE90 wrote:
QueenoftheSkies wrote:
Blast barrier soon to follow without doubt. All it takes is 1 to ruin it for everyone.


Agreed, it's a shame this has happened as I am sure there will be measures put in place that would ruin the SXM experience.

RIP to the woman.

OA940 wrote:
Is it bad that I laughed? I think it's bad that I laughed.


Ye, come on. It's still a human life, that woman meant something to a lot of people and she has been in this world for 57 years. People make mistakes and poor judgement calls all the time and we are all equally prone of making mistakes that may seem just as stupid but could ultimately cost our lives.

She could have been someone's mother, sister, aunt, child, etc. Imagine if she was your mother.


I know. I'm sad, of course, but it kinda triggered my dark humour side. Out of all the ways to die...

Dolores420 wrote:
OA940 wrote:
Is it bad that I laughed? I think it's bad that I laughed.

As soon as I read the headline on the Dailymail I knew I had to come here and check thank god I wasn't the only person who laughed. There are some pretty stupid ways to die and this by is not a tragedy, just a lack of common sense. People have to know that by looking around what will happen if they let go of that fence. My question is will this show up on Avherald listed as an incident or accident? Also does anyone know what kind of plane it was, to add insult to injury what if it was just an A319 or worse a regional jet...


As tragic as it is it is also a bit stupid. Then again surfing the jet wave isn't really good either, but we were all having a blast until she died


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Re: Woman dies at SXM after falling from jet blast

Thu Jul 13, 2017 5:56 pm

Indy wrote:
This lady likely ruined it for everyone. There is something that could be done that would allow people to ride the fence but make them assume all of the risk. Put warning signs that stretch from the fence to the edge of the water. Run a chain between all sign posts all the way to the fence. If you enter this no fly zone (ok pun intended) and you get injured... you get a citation for trespassing. Perhaps pass an ordinance that states anyone that gets injured in this zone assumes all liability. So duck under the chain and enjoy the ride. But if you get hurt it is all on you.

There are already giant signs. After a few drinks people ignore the chains, signs, etc. Are we going to build a wall around the Grand Canyon because people fall in it?
 
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Re: Woman dies at SXM after falling from jet blast

Thu Jul 13, 2017 5:56 pm

I doubt they will put a barrier since it might have a detrimental effect on tourism for which SXM is a major crowd puller. It was also caused by a 737 and not even a bigger engine similar to a GE-90 which has frequented the airport for ages.
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Thu Jul 13, 2017 6:09 pm

what I think they will do is make sure aircraft are in the correct location for departure hold on the runway. They did this after the last incident. They had a Follow Me vehicle out there instructing all aircraft to move up from the fence. This will somewhat lessen the jet blast. There are signs everywhere warning you about jet blast and the consequences. If people don't abide by those signs its their own fault. They went for the thrill.

I've been to SXM at least 8 times just for reference.
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Re: Woman dies at SXM after falling from jet blast

Thu Jul 13, 2017 6:12 pm

flyPIT wrote:
Regarding a blast fence there are plenty of examples of one right up against a runway with minimal displacement such as at SXM.
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The angle of those pictures is deceptive in now showing the size of the required displaced threshold and in MDW you can't see the displaced threshold under the snow.

You could probably put one in at a height thats about half of what you typically see.

Anything taller than about 8 ft +/- (they are usually 15-20 ft) would likely have operational impacts to Runway 9 landing distance and/or Runway 27 usable takeoff length.
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Re: Woman dies at SXM after falling from jet blast

Thu Jul 13, 2017 6:26 pm

Why don't they have deployable blast doors like on aircraft carriers, then people could use the beach without the excitement of being killed?
 
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Re: Woman dies at SXM after falling from jet blast

Thu Jul 13, 2017 6:43 pm

RL757PVD wrote:
The angle of those pictures is deceptive in now showing the size of the required displaced threshold and in MDW you can't see the displaced threshold under the snow.

It might be deceptive from the perspective of the lens zooming in, but we should still be able gauge the size of the displaced threshold by using the markings. 1 1/2 arrows and barely one complete chevron in the second photo suggests very similar dimensions to that of SXM, maybe even less.

The reason I showed the pic of MDW was not to illustrate the proximity to the runway, but to show how those fences are designed to break off if impacted. Much more practical than a concrete wall previously mentioned.

RL757PVD wrote:
You could probably put one in at a height thats about half of what you typically see.
Anything taller than about 8 ft +/- (they are usually 15-20 ft) would likely have operational impacts to Runway 9 landing distance and/or Runway 27 usable takeoff length.

Having one half the height you usually see would be sufficient in this case, for the purpose of dissuading people from riding the fence. 6 feet should do.
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Re: Woman dies at SXM after falling from jet blast

Thu Jul 13, 2017 6:47 pm

kurtverbose wrote:
Why don't they have deployable blast doors like on aircraft carriers, then people could use the beach without the excitement of being killed?

I'm pretty sure that would cost waaaay too much money to develop and install
 
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Re: Woman dies at SXM after falling from jet blast

Thu Jul 13, 2017 7:28 pm

dfwjim1 wrote:
How about if the the airport authority erected a concrete wall at this site to replace the guardrail and fence? Make it of such construction and height that it can not be scaled by humans.

Because the aircraft undercarriages that reasonably frequency take out said fence would like a concrete wall even less.
A blast fence would be tricky enough to get in there within the regs, a wall definitely won't qualify.
 
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Re: Woman dies at SXM after falling from jet blast

Thu Jul 13, 2017 7:30 pm

seahawk wrote:
Fence up the whole beach - done. Safety first.


There is already a fence and warning signs. Safety is nice, but there should be a reasonable limit for how much safety measures may infringe into everyday life. <3
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Thu Jul 13, 2017 7:49 pm

FlyRow wrote:
seahawk wrote:
Does anybody think there will be no legal claims against the authorities after this?


Happened before, it's called the Jet-Blast Arrest in dutch judicial systems.


Mrs Hartmann is watching the plane as a tourist at the fence of Princess Juliana Airport on St. Maarten. Despite a warning sign, there are more tourists and plane spotters. When a Boeing 747 opens the jet engines wide, Mrs Hartmann is thrown back to the rocks by a jet blast back to the rocks.
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Thu Jul 13, 2017 7:58 pm

Super80Fan wrote:
This was going to happen. Hopefully even if a blast fence goes up the beach is still public/stays open. Unfortunately I can't feel sorry for her, there are many people who die daily I feel sorry for, she isn't one of them. I can't feel sorry for stupidity. We all make stupid mistakes daily. Most of them doesn't end us up dead.

Kind of a ridiculous thing to say. I mean what if you weren't an aviation enthusiast and you come to this beach and see a lot of people having fun watching planes and standing at the fence? You may very well do the same thing. Even though it's common sense to us, not everyone may be aware of what exactly goes on behind a jet a full power. Again, yes it should be obvious, but to say you don't feel sorry for a women that died on a vacation just trying to have fun isn't cool IMO.
I do hope this doesn't end the fun for everyone else, but unlike some here, I do feel bad for her and her family. Rip.
 
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Thu Jul 13, 2017 8:55 pm

"....they bought their tickets, they knew what they were getting into. I say, let 'em crash."
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Re: Woman dies at SXM after falling from jet blast

Thu Jul 13, 2017 8:58 pm

OA940 wrote:
Is it bad that I laughed?


Yes.

OA940 wrote:
I think it's bad that I laughed.


The we are in complete agreement!

Seeing the individual dignity in a person you don't know is learned behavior for many of us. The woman's friends and family have suffered a grave loss, even if the loss was caused by her poor decision. I have a brother who drinks too much. It's probably going to kill him unless he goes cold turkey, which is unlikely. His death won't be a laughing matter and we will all be poorer for his departure.
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Re: Woman dies at SXM after falling from jet blast

Thu Jul 13, 2017 9:07 pm

You know, for all the people making jokes about Darwinism, there are an awful lot of us on this thread who are in no position to cast stones, especially from people who are afraid it will "ruin the fun" for the rest of us.

I've never been to this beach, but I have been in the rocks on the end of a causeway runway in time to feel a 737-200 roaring off above me. Yeah, it was a stupid thing to do, but that does not mean it should have been terminal.
 
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Thu Jul 13, 2017 9:10 pm

trnswrld wrote:
Super80Fan wrote:
This was going to happen. Hopefully even if a blast fence goes up the beach is still public/stays open. Unfortunately I can't feel sorry for her, there are many people who die daily I feel sorry for, she isn't one of them. I can't feel sorry for stupidity. We all make stupid mistakes daily. Most of them doesn't end us up dead.

Kind of a ridiculous thing to say. I mean what if you weren't an aviation enthusiast and you come to this beach and see a lot of people having fun watching planes and standing at the fence? You may very well do the same thing. Even though it's common sense to us, not everyone may be aware of what exactly goes on behind a jet a full power. Again, yes it should be obvious, but to say you don't feel sorry for a women that died on a vacation just trying to have fun isn't cool IMO.
I do hope this doesn't end the fun for everyone else, but unlike some here, I do feel bad for her and her family. Rip.


This happens all the time on the train forums I subscribe to. Trespasser gets killed and people fall all over themselves trying to be the first to call them a Darwin Award winner, stupid, got what they deserved, etc. I couldn't care less if they feel that way, but be a decent person and keep it to yourself. But, human nature.
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Re: Woman dies at SXM after falling from jet blast

Thu Jul 13, 2017 10:14 pm

This is the solution.

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Re: Woman dies at SXM after falling from jet blast

Fri Jul 14, 2017 12:21 am

RL777 wrote:
As far as I'm concerned it should be illegal to "ride the fence" or stand behind the jet wash of departing aircraft. The danger of such activity is unforgiving and this situation could've easily been avoided with some stricter rules and common sense. Nevertheless a tragic incident.


It should be illegal to not have a blast fence or concrete wall where a runway is so near to a public access area...
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Re: Woman dies at SXM after falling from jet blast

Fri Jul 14, 2017 12:24 am

I'm just back from Maho beach, and it's business as usual down there. You wouldn't even know something hsd happened. No extra security or police.

From speaking to someone, she apparently let go of the fence, lost her bslance and took one of the curbs to the chest.

Imho theres no need for the middle curb, thats what tripped up the girl in the youtube video a few years ago, and may well have been the issue here. It serves no purpose, and is a major trip hazzard.

But for now at least, nothing has changed.
 
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Re: Woman dies at SXM after falling from jet blast

Fri Jul 14, 2017 1:07 am

Electrify the fence.
 
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Re: Woman dies at SXM after falling from jet blast

Fri Jul 14, 2017 1:16 am

smokeybandit wrote:
I'm surprised this hasn't happened more often.

https://www.sxm-talks.com/the-daily-her ... t-airport/


Me too. Either that or someone throws/launches something unsafe at the aircraft. Eventually, it will just be closed I suspect. A 737 is not that powerful either compared to the 747s that land there.
 
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Re: Woman dies at SXM after falling from jet blast

Fri Jul 14, 2017 1:25 am

It isn't just being thrown from the fence. Think of the dust and debris hurled at those idiots. A small rock could hit you in the head like a bullet and you'd be just as dead as this poor lady.
 
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Re: Woman dies at SXM after falling from jet blast

Fri Jul 14, 2017 2:27 am

Wow, one person out of thousands, and listen to all the hand wringing (make it illegal, electrify the fence, etc). Life is not guaranteed, you cannot make it risk free. In fact, life without risk, isn't life. You just have to manage the risk.
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Re: Woman dies at SXM after falling from jet blast

Fri Jul 14, 2017 2:50 am

I've been at the Sunset Beach Bar many times and witnessed the bold and the naive racing for that fence the moment an Air France A340 or a Boeing 747-400 taxis into position. Princess Juliana has long been a tourist draw for those who want to experience the thrill of hurricane force winds from a wide-body spooling up. Sadly this woman lost her life while countless others leave Maho beach laughing, having been thoroughly blasted in the face.
 
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Re: Woman dies at SXM after falling from jet blast

Fri Jul 14, 2017 2:50 am

Outrageous. How could this be allowed!? While we're at it, I think we should ban skydiving, bungee jumping, aerobatics, rock climbing, and whitewater sports.

Seriously, though, this woman knew and assumed the risk and unfortunately had a tragic accident. No reason for overreacting. If she'd fallen and injured herself on a curb coming out of a bar no one would be suggesting to close them all down.
 
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Re: Woman dies at SXM after falling from jet blast

Fri Jul 14, 2017 2:52 am

Quote from the Yahoo Article...
"I met with the family of the deceased this evening and while they recognized that what they did was wrong, through the clearly visible danger signs, they regret that risk they took turned out in the worst possible way,"

The family, this is sadly all on them and it was preventable! The signs were there, they and her choose to ignore them now a 57 year old Woman is dead. RIP.

Maybe there needs to be a ban on it but if people would just realize how dangerous this is maybe they will think twice and we can all continue to enjoy the current view at a safe distance. For all of you that have done it you knew the risks doing it and its quite a rush I'm sure, I myself would not risk my life doing it.

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Re: Woman dies at SXM after falling from jet blast

Fri Jul 14, 2017 3:38 am

TigerFlyer wrote:
Outrageous. How could this be allowed!?


Because most of the world isn't a goddamn nanny state.

Look, people. Nothing of consequence is going to happen from this. It's really sad for the person who died and her family. But it's not the rest of the world's responsibility to keep that from happening, and most of the world doesn't think of it as such. Everybody needs to be responsible for their own actions, and they are in most of the world.

It's a sad thing that happened, and we all should bow our heads and say a little RIP for the deceased. Then we get on with our lives. And SXM will continue on as it always has.

btw I've been there multiple times. Yes, it's dangerous - so what? So is rock climbing, but we don't outlaw mountains as a result.
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Re: Woman dies at SXM after falling from jet blast

Fri Jul 14, 2017 5:47 am

Varsity1 wrote:
"Boeing 737 departed for Trinidad."

I wonder which flight killed her.


No flight killed her. Her actions are what killed her.
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