sibibom wrote:

I see a swamp A330 neos heading to Indian shores come 2019

anshabhi wrote:

sibibom wrote:

I see a swamp A330 neos heading to Indian shores come 2019

Let's see if that happens or they wait to acquire AI's long haul fleet and expand it.

vadodara wrote:

<<AI has taken 70 years to create huge network, we cant do it quickly, slots at airports like Heathrow, JFK constrained: IndiGo's Gangwal>>

Rakesh Gangwal has spoken. We can end all speculation now.

Looks like IndiGo is seeing the likes of Norwegian start long haul services sucessfully; expect a slew of flights out of BOM/DEL etc.

sibibom wrote:

anshabhi wrote:

sibibom wrote:

I see a swamp A330 neos heading to Indian shores come 2019

Let's see if that happens or they wait to acquire AI's long haul fleet and expand it.

IndiGo not looking at all the Air India assets, looking at only airline Air India's international operations : IndiGo's Rahul Bhatia

fleet is mostly leased and may not end up staying

anshabhi wrote:

IndiGo's plans are aimed at throwing SQ and ME3 out of India.

dtw2hyd wrote:

anshabhi wrote:

IndiGo's plans are aimed at throwing SQ and ME3 out of India.

Finally, someone said it, hope it didn't offend any Indian politicians, journalists, and bloggers.

I hope 6E will consider B787 and Boeing will offer a good deal including Goldcare.

VTORD wrote:

Might we see some regular service to LGW from India now? AFAIK, Thomas Cook is the only one with a seasonal GOI flight correct?

dtw2hyd wrote:

anshabhi wrote:

IndiGo's plans are aimed at throwing SQ and ME3 out of India.

Finally, someone said it, hope it didn't offend any Indian politicians, journalists, and bloggers.

I hope 6E will consider B787 and Boeing will offer a good deal including Goldcare.

TC957 wrote:

I bet Vijay Mallya is looking at this news and thinking if only Kingfisher had survived...

VTORD wrote:

vadodara wrote:

<<AI has taken 70 years to create huge network, we cant do it quickly, slots at airports like Heathrow, JFK constrained: IndiGo's Gangwal>>

Rakesh Gangwal has spoken. We can end all speculation now.

Looks like IndiGo is seeing the likes of Norwegian start long haul services sucessfully; expect a slew of flights out of BOM/DEL etc.

Might we see some regular service to LGW from India now? AFAIK, Thomas Cook is the only one with a seasonal GOI flight correct?

anshabhi wrote:

IndiGo's plans are aimed at throwing SQ and ME3 out of India.

CaliguyNYC wrote:

I think IndiGo should buy some 787 or A350s and start India-LGW-US. Its really the only intermediate point that can fill seats on both the EU-India and EU-US legs. Maybe partner with BA/AA with some sort of JV. Let BA keep the premium traffic and IndiGo the cheap traffic. Allows BA to hurt Norwegian without using BA cost structure.

sibibom wrote:

I see a swamp A330 neos heading to Indian shores come 2019

CaliguyNYC wrote:

I think IndiGo should buy some 787 or A350s and start India-LGW-US. Its really the only intermediate point that can fill seats on both the EU-India and EU-US legs. Maybe partner with BA/AA with some sort of JV. Let BA keep the premium traffic and IndiGo the cheap traffic. Allows BA to hurt Norwegian without using BA cost structure.

vadodara wrote:

VTORD wrote:

If you are targeting the business/VFR traffic, then the area around London City/Hounslow is where the traffic is. Perhaps, that prompted the interest in AI with its access to LHR.

raylee67 wrote:

anshabhi wrote:

IndiGo's plans are aimed at throwing SQ and ME3 out of India.

I think this is a bit dramatic... ME3 is connecting India with a wide range of European and American destinations. Indigo is probably not going to do Chennai-Houston or Ahmadabad-Seattle or Hyderabad-Birmingham. And also even in the VFR market, there are still quite some people willing to pay a little bit more for normal economy class service. Indigo will definitely get a foothold in the market, but ME3 is not going to go away. They will just serve different market segments. As for SQ, I suppose most of the SQ flights to India are O&D traffic or connection to Australia. SQ will keep 99% of the business travelers. Just like AirAsia is not taking the most important passengers away from CX on HKG-KUL. SQ is not going to lose too much sleep over Indigo.

Antarius wrote:

raylee67 wrote:

anshabhi wrote:

IndiGo's plans are aimed at throwing SQ and ME3 out of India.

I think this is a bit dramatic... ME3 is connecting India with a wide range of European and American destinations. Indigo is probably not going to do Chennai-Houston or Ahmadabad-Seattle or Hyderabad-Birmingham. And also even in the VFR market, there are still quite some people willing to pay a little bit more for normal economy class service. Indigo will definitely get a foothold in the market, but ME3 is not going to go away. They will just serve different market segments. As for SQ, I suppose most of the SQ flights to India are O&D traffic or connection to Australia. SQ will keep 99% of the business travelers. Just like AirAsia is not taking the most important passengers away from CX on HKG-KUL. SQ is not going to lose too much sleep over Indigo.

Thanks for posting some sense amongst the rah-rah crowd.

This is good news for sure, for 6E and budget conscious travelers. That said, business travelers, F and J passengers and others will not suddenly be flocking away from the quality product of the ME3 or SQ.

anshabhi wrote:

Antarius wrote:

raylee67 wrote:

I think this is a bit dramatic... ME3 is connecting India with a wide range of European and American destinations. Indigo is probably not going to do Chennai-Houston or Ahmadabad-Seattle or Hyderabad-Birmingham. And also even in the VFR market, there are still quite some people willing to pay a little bit more for normal economy class service. Indigo will definitely get a foothold in the market, but ME3 is not going to go away. They will just serve different market segments. As for SQ, I suppose most of the SQ flights to India are O&D traffic or connection to Australia. SQ will keep 99% of the business travelers. Just like AirAsia is not taking the most important passengers away from CX on HKG-KUL. SQ is not going to lose too much sleep over Indigo.

Thanks for posting some sense amongst the rah-rah crowd.

This is good news for sure, for 6E and budget conscious travelers. That said, business travelers, F and J passengers and others will not suddenly be flocking away from the quality product of the ME3 or SQ.

TBH, this is the biggest threat that ME3 have ever faced. Much bigger than any laptop ban or anything else.
Y passengers contribute a large part of revenue. And obviously, 6E will also have some Norwegian/Scoot/AirAsia X like 180° recline seats. The advantages of nonstops over one stop might pull even premium pax to 6E.

Antarius wrote:

raylee67 wrote:

anshabhi wrote:

IndiGo's plans are aimed at throwing SQ and ME3 out of India.

I think this is a bit dramatic... ME3 is connecting India with a wide range of European and American destinations. Indigo is probably not going to do Chennai-Houston or Ahmadabad-Seattle or Hyderabad-Birmingham. And also even in the VFR market, there are still quite some people willing to pay a little bit more for normal economy class service. Indigo will definitely get a foothold in the market, but ME3 is not going to go away. They will just serve different market segments. As for SQ, I suppose most of the SQ flights to India are O&D traffic or connection to Australia. SQ will keep 99% of the business travelers. Just like AirAsia is not taking the most important passengers away from CX on HKG-KUL. SQ is not going to lose too much sleep over Indigo.

Thanks for posting some sense amongst the rah-rah crowd.

This is good news for sure, for 6E and budget conscious travelers. That said, business travelers, F and J passengers and others will not suddenly be flocking away from the quality product of the ME3 or SQ.

dtw2hyd wrote:

Antarius wrote:

raylee67 wrote:

I think this is a bit dramatic... ME3 is connecting India with a wide range of European and American destinations. Indigo is probably not going to do Chennai-Houston or Ahmadabad-Seattle or Hyderabad-Birmingham. And also even in the VFR market, there are still quite some people willing to pay a little bit more for normal economy class service. Indigo will definitely get a foothold in the market, but ME3 is not going to go away. They will just serve different market segments. As for SQ, I suppose most of the SQ flights to India are O&D traffic or connection to Australia. SQ will keep 99% of the business travelers. Just like AirAsia is not taking the most important passengers away from CX on HKG-KUL. SQ is not going to lose too much sleep over Indigo.

Thanks for posting some sense amongst the rah-rah crowd.

This is good news for sure, for 6E and budget conscious travelers. That said, business travelers, F and J passengers and others will not suddenly be flocking away from the quality product of the ME3 or SQ.

They will be flocking to SkyTeam.

Antarius wrote:

??

dtw2hyd wrote:

Antarius wrote:

??

For all the ME3 publicity about being one-stop leaders between India-USA, ME3 at best has 144 combinations (12x12), AI will have 205 (41x5) and SkyTeam will have 186 (6x31). Ignoring AI, SkyTeam will be the true one-stop provider.

dtw2hyd wrote:

Antarius wrote:

??

For all the ME3 publicity about being one-stop leaders between India-USA, ME3 at best has 144 combinations (12x12), AI will have 205 (41x5) and SkyTeam will have 186 (6x31). Ignoring AI, SkyTeam will be the true one-stop provider.

Newbiepilot wrote:

sibibom wrote:

I see a swamp A330 neos heading to Indian shores come 2019

Depends on where they want to fly. An A330neo won't make it to North America but would work to Europe and Asia.

anshabhi wrote:

TBH, this is the biggest threat that ME3 have ever faced. Much bigger than any laptop ban or anything else.
Y passengers contribute a large part of revenue. And obviously, 6E will also have some Norwegian/Scoot/AirAsia X like 180° recline seats. The advantages of nonstops over one stop might pull even premium pax to 6E.

YouGeeElWhy wrote:

the "??" was about where does Skyteam come into this with 6E?

PlanesNTrains wrote:

A339/A359 or some combo like that would work.

Antarius wrote:

raylee67 wrote:

anshabhi wrote:

IndiGo's plans are aimed at throwing SQ and ME3 out of India.

I think this is a bit dramatic... ME3 is connecting India with a wide range of European and American destinations. Indigo is probably not going to do Chennai-Houston or Ahmadabad-Seattle or Hyderabad-Birmingham. And also even in the VFR market, there are still quite some people willing to pay a little bit more for normal economy class service. Indigo will definitely get a foothold in the market, but ME3 is not going to go away. They will just serve different market segments. As for SQ, I suppose most of the SQ flights to India are O&D traffic or connection to Australia. SQ will keep 99% of the business travelers. Just like AirAsia is not taking the most important passengers away from CX on HKG-KUL. SQ is not going to lose too much sleep over Indigo.

Thanks for posting some sense amongst the rah-rah crowd.

This is good news for sure, for 6E and budget conscious travelers. That said, business travelers, F and J passengers and others will not suddenly be flocking away from the quality product of the ME3 or SQ.

lightsaber wrote:

I agree. This overdue good news won't suddenly offer the connectivity of the ME3 or SQ. What it will do is grab new P2P routes that are only viable with the ULCC model.

Airbus and Boeing both need this order. Indigo will get a great deal.

They will only take Air India for the right price. I still believe their AI bid is for the data and to spoil Tata getting the company cheap. I will be eating crow if they buy AI.

Air India now has three years for significant reform or they should be folded. This spells doom to their current so called business model. The GoI will be able to spend the subsidies on useful infrastructure.

Ghad I want to know who wins this order. It won't be A330NEOs. They fly lowest CASM aircraft bought cheap due to bulk discounts. It is a buyers market for widebodies. I see either 789 and 787-10 or A359 with options on the -1000 and probably larger, if offered. There will be no resale market for A330NEOs which kills Indigo's sale/Leaseback financing.

Lightsaber

anshabhi wrote:

I would like to know how will they manage terminals at Delhi and Mumbai. Their domestic operations are from T1. Would we see long haul flights from T1? (All current long haul flights operate from T3).
Similar story in Mumbai.

unrave wrote:

anshabhi wrote:

I would like to know how will they manage terminals at Delhi and Mumbai. Their domestic operations are from T1. Would we see long haul flights from T1? (All current long haul flights operate from T3).
Similar story in Mumbai.

Does T1 in DEL have customs and immigration facilities?

anshabhi wrote:

[IndiGo can obviously operate a hub. The worrying fact is they can operate a hub in any of the top 5 Indian Airports. They have such a good feed network. The connections which either of these provide are no match to the depth and timings of 6E. 6E only needs to develop the long haul network, and if they acquire AI, even that will get a big kickstart. I would like to know how will they manage terminals at Delhi and Mumbai. Their domestic operations are from T1. Would we see long haul flights from T1? (All current long haul flights operate from T3). Similar story in Mumbai.

sibibom wrote:

I see a swamp A330 neos heading to Indian shores come 2019

Cunard wrote:

vadodara wrote:

VTORD wrote:

If you are targeting the business/VFR traffic, then the area around London City/Hounslow is where the traffic is. Perhaps, that prompted the interest in AI with its access to LHR.

The Indian diaspora wasn't living in Hounslow when Air India inaugurated their first flight to London from Bombay (Mumbai) on the 08 June 1948.

CaliguyNYC wrote:

How do you even run a long haul LLC for points west of India given the ME3? They already have pushed fares between the US and India to $800. How much more can Indigo cut?

CaliguyNYC wrote:

How do you even run a long haul LLC for points west of India given the ME3? They already have pushed fares between the US and India to $800. How much more can Indigo cut?

CaliguyNYC wrote:

How do you even run a long haul LLC for points west of India given the ME3? They already have pushed fares between the US and India to $800. How much more can Indigo cut?