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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - July 2017

Sun Jul 16, 2017 9:59 pm

Ok so Tealnz and PA515 if I'm reading correctly are saying that NZ effectively saying NZ won't order more 789's? How would they PA515 get A350's on operating lease in 2019? If that is what you are saying, if they need more aircraft in 2019/20 the only option is some 789's be it leased or whatever or 78X? A 772 replacement order seem to be in 2018/19 as tealnz said so it would seem to me to take atleast 2 years in this market to get an A350 when they don't have any yet plus induction costs setup etc so not likely until mid/ late 2020.

Further up we had NZ6 expecting 6 789 options to be exercised this calendar year, personally I don't see all 6 at once in case of a downturn even though they could end some 772 leases early and use the 789's to replace them, seems unlikely if fuel stays low. I think excercising 1-2 at a time as required unless they expire soon.

78X may still be one to watch but with more frequencies to Asia to connect South America I don't see the 78X going to Asia but more 789's down the track.
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - July 2017

Mon Jul 17, 2017 10:45 pm

The more I think about NZ's next generation fleet I ask myself why I'm basing it on what we have or have had today so much.

NZ's has the 772 as it was the best A/C to replace the 763 at the time (Apart from the A330 perhaps). The 77W replaced the 747 and at the time, operations were centered around LAX and starting to introduce SFO. LON was still a priority. So long, hub to hub heavy flying was in.

If you look now, LON is holding on solely on LAX-LHR and In my opinion won't last forever.

AKL-LAX is intentionally being diluted in favor or IAH and 1 or 2 extra ports. SFO is daily up to 10 per week in peak. YVR is being pushed to go daily.

So instead of having
14 x AKLLAX
3 x AKLSFO

We'll looking at a potential network like this

10 x AKLLAX
7 x AKLSFO
7 x AKLYVR
7 x AKLIAH
4 x AKLORD
4 x AKLNYC
This is purely made up for the purpose of what could potentially happen

With PAX and freight being split over more services and more direct services is there a need for a 77X. What is stopping NZ running with a single 787 fleet. OR maybe a 787 & A350 feet if the A350 gives them the range they need?

I know since the 80's NZ's flown the big birds to North America and still do, but inline with beings philosophy more services and more direct services is this an option?
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - July 2017

Tue Jul 18, 2017 9:43 am

That NZ6 was what I was saying some time back that maybe they would go with an all 787 long haul fleet, watch the 78X if it can do LAX/SFO it will and use 789's for everything else, some said in dreaming which maybe I am.

If they want NYC then it seems an ULH 778 or A359 is required, I did say earlier could a fleet of 778's cover those ULH flights and also trunk routes like LAX? Just depends how efficient it is on standard 12/13hr flights.

The A350 is an entirely new type which is why I would be very surprised if they went that way when they could get the 77X, though tbh the 779 to me seems to be maybe getting a bit big, but a 778 would probably seat a similar number to the 77W and haul a lot of freight.

The A330 wouldn't have been great for NZ back in 2005, it couldn't do YVR and wouldn't haul much freight to LAX/SFO, the A332 could have worked for Asia while the A333 would have only been good to PER/HNL. The only other option was the A340 which they will be happy they didn't get.

SFO started in 2004 with the 744, YVR in 2007 with 772's then 744's. SFO doesn't increase anymore now that UA are flying the route albeit seasonally, they will do 10 weekly this year for 2 months on top of daily NZ, YVR is daily in DEC-JAN and upto 5 weekly several months only dropping below for 3-4 months to 3/4 weekly.
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - July 2017

Tue Jul 18, 2017 10:42 am

The 779 is too big an aircraft for NZ and AKL IMO. That is the biggest reason I think they may go for an A350 fleet. The A350 is far more of the direct replacement to the 77E (A359) and 77W (A351) in terms of ability, apron footprint,payload. There could also be some advantage in terms of overall narrow body negotiations too.
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - July 2017

Wed Jul 19, 2017 8:14 am

CZ changes for NW17/18

CZ335/336 CAN-AKL to be operated by A332 instead of 788

CAN-CHC still remains at 5 weekly (up from 3 weekly in NW16) however operational days will switch from X26 to X16, remains 788

http://www.routesonline.com/news/38/air ... f-18jul17/
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - July 2017

Wed Jul 19, 2017 11:43 am

qf789 wrote:
CZ changes for NW17/18

CZ335/336 CAN-AKL to be operated by A332 instead of 788
http://www.routesonline.com/news/38/air ... f-18jul17/


Not a huge change there. Both 335/305 are 332s currently.

SQ changes for NW17/18
77W instead of A380, Yet to be published, have only heard with regard to hold capacity changes to cargo. That's something to look out for, opportunity for NZ extra capacity over summer?
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - July 2017

Wed Jul 19, 2017 10:21 pm

aerorobnz wrote:
qf789 wrote:
CZ changes for NW17/18

CZ335/336 CAN-AKL to be operated by A332 instead of 788
http://www.routesonline.com/news/38/air ... f-18jul17/


Not a huge change there. Both 335/305 are 332s currently.

SQ changes for NW17/18
77W instead of A380, Yet to be published, have only heard with regard to hold capacity changes to cargo. That's something to look out for, opportunity for NZ extra capacity over summer?


Interesting re SQ if true, as you say likely freight. They are down soon to just 7 744F's they fly here 5 weekly maybe they will reduce the freighters? I think NZ still have a little slack in the 772 fleet for summer. Could see an extra 3 weekly to SIN.

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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - July 2017

Wed Jul 19, 2017 11:18 pm

ZK-NBT wrote:
AKL 1000 SIN 1530
SIN 0100 AKL 1600

This is the kind of timetable that NZ should be aiming for for multiple Asian destinations to make good on their aim of being the airline of choice for Asia-South America flights. Ideally, two daily flights would be run per destination so that there's a morning departure from AKL (and a mid-am arrival back in AKL from the Asian end) and an early afternoon departure from AKL with a return arriving back from Asia in the mid-afternoon. But they really need more South American destinations first . . .
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - July 2017

Wed Jul 19, 2017 11:47 pm

DavidByrne wrote:
ZK-NBT wrote:
AKL 1000 SIN 1530
SIN 0100 AKL 1600

This is the kind of timetable that NZ should be aiming for for multiple Asian destinations to make good on their aim of being the airline of choice for Asia-South America flights. Ideally, two daily flights would be run per destination so that there's a morning departure from AKL (and a mid-am arrival back in AKL from the Asian end) and an early afternoon departure from AKL with a return arriving back from Asia in the mid-afternoon. But they really need more South American destinations first . . .


Or a midnight like PVG/HKG now, leave those as is returning in the early mid morning, and add a mid morning departure returning mid afternoon.

You can't avoid long ground times sometimes but 2 daily needs 3 frames while 1 daily needs 2 so more efficient fleet wise.
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - July 2017

Thu Jul 20, 2017 9:13 am

Effective from NW17 SQ has adjusted schedule for SIN-CBR-WLG flight to open up more connections

http://australianaviation.com.au/2017/0 ... -schedule/
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - July 2017

Thu Jul 20, 2017 12:30 pm

qf789 wrote:
Effective from NW17 SQ has adjusted schedule for SIN-CBR-WLG flight to open up more connections

http://australianaviation.com.au/2017/0 ... -schedule/


With the added bonus they can use same crew CBR-WLG-CBR??
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - July 2017

Thu Jul 20, 2017 8:48 pm

Auckland Airport's latest version of their 'master plan'. This must be cut 32.

I'm in favour of this but question if they'll get consent.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news ... d=11893151
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - July 2017

Thu Jul 20, 2017 11:47 pm

PA515 wrote:
ZKOAB wrote:
Is MCA retiring this month followed by MCW?

The myairlease.com for sale info had MCA available in Sep 2017 and MCW is still available in Oct 2017, but that may have changed as MCW has been in NSN since 12 Jun and MCA is still in service.

PA515

MCA exits the fleet next week.
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - July 2017

Fri Jul 21, 2017 2:36 am

NZ6 wrote:
Auckland Airport's latest version of their 'master plan'. This must be cut 32.

I'm in favour of this but question if they'll get consent.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news ... d=11893151

Good to see they are allowing space for rail under the runway along with the road.
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - July 2017

Fri Jul 21, 2017 3:04 am

Zkpilot wrote:
NZ6 wrote:
Auckland Airport's latest version of their 'master plan'. This must be cut 32.

I'm in favour of this but question if they'll get consent.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news ... d=11893151

Good to see they are allowing space for rail under the runway along with the road.

They really have no choice (fortunately) given the way the political debate has been moving. Had they not done so there'd have been serious questions about their corporate "sincerity" given that they've finally in the last few years publicly come around to the idea of rapid transit to the Airport.
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - July 2017

Fri Jul 21, 2017 5:50 am

bonzolab wrote:
PA515 wrote:
ZKOAB wrote:
Is MCA retiring this month followed by MCW?

The myairlease.com for sale info had MCA available in Sep 2017 and MCW is still available in Oct 2017, but that may have changed as MCW has been in NSN since 12 Jun and MCA is still in service.

PA515

MCA exits the fleet next week.

Thanks bonzolab. And MCW is close to returning to service after nearly six weeks. It was showing as doing AKL-NPE this evening and NPE-AKL tomorrow but that has been cancelled.

PA515
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - July 2017

Sat Jul 22, 2017 8:17 pm

Air New Zealand have also released their new safety video - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oA33IAf ... NewZealand
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - July 2017

Sun Jul 23, 2017 12:42 am

ZK-MCA is scheduled to operate its last flights for NZ this afternoon as NZ5115 AKL-PMR followed by NZ5187 PMR-CHC. It'll be off to it's new operator at the end of the month.
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - July 2017

Sun Jul 23, 2017 12:59 am

SXI899 wrote:
ZK-MCA is scheduled to operate its last flights for NZ this afternoon as NZ5115 AKL-PMR followed by NZ5187 PMR-CHC. It'll be off to it's new operator at the end of the month.

I had just the two flights on MCA NPE-AKL. This is a reminder for me to try and get on MCP before it retires in order to "complete the set"... The ATR72-600 must surely start to make a bigger impact in AKL operations as some of the AKL based -500s depart..
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