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New Zealand Aviation Thread - July 2017

Fri Jun 30, 2017 10:43 am

Welcome to the July edition of the New Zealand Aviation Thread. Please continue to add your comments below. Link to June edition viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1364665

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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - July 2017

Fri Jun 30, 2017 1:29 pm

Anyone know which of the International A320s are owned?

Somehow though, it won't seem quite the same as another crew walking down the steps off a white, green and blue 767...

For the record, it was ZK-NCI who originally brought the Americas Cup home back in the 1990s. I wonder which EK A380 will get the honour.
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - July 2017

Fri Jun 30, 2017 10:51 pm

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Anyone know which of the International A320s are owned?

Somehow though, it won't seem quite the same as another crew walking down the steps off a white, green and blue 767...

For the record, it was ZK-NCI who originally brought the Americas Cup home back in the 1990s. I wonder which EK A380 will get the honour.

It would be funny if it was old A6-EDA
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - July 2017

Fri Jun 30, 2017 10:54 pm

LamboAston wrote:
zkojq wrote:
Anyone know which of the International A320s are owned?

Somehow though, it won't seem quite the same as another crew walking down the steps off a white, green and blue 767...

For the record, it was ZK-NCI who originally brought the Americas Cup home back in the 1990s. I wonder which EK A380 will get the honour.

It would be funny if it was old A6-EDA


Could EDA handle the rang of the non-stop flight? Surely the earlier builds range is less, than the new builds?
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - July 2017

Fri Jun 30, 2017 11:00 pm

Usually the non stops are done by aircraft from A6-EEL onwards including the EU and EO series, but not the Older ED series, I have seen a handful of times however when an ED series has done it including atleast once by EDA.

In all those series there are different configurations some 2 class and 3 class without crew rest which don't come to NZ, although they do use them on the SIN-MEL and PER sometimes, the 3 class ones that is.
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - July 2017

Sat Jul 01, 2017 12:13 am

zkncj wrote:
LamboAston wrote:
zkojq wrote:
Anyone know which of the International A320s are owned?


For the record, it was ZK-NCI who originally brought the Americas Cup home back in the 1990s. I wonder which EK A380 will get the honour.

It would be funny if it was old A6-EDA


Could EDA handle the rang of the non-stop flight? Surely the earlier builds range is less, than the new builds?

EDA can (just), and has, but it is unusual for one of the old A380s to be flying the route.
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - July 2017

Sat Jul 01, 2017 2:04 am

Speaking of 767s actually, I've been overseas for a couple of months and haven't been following a.net very closely, but did anyone do a trip report on the 767 retirement flight? Or will I have to write one? I did a quick skim of the trip reports forum but couldn't find anything. Were any a.netters aboard?
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - July 2017

Sat Jul 01, 2017 2:28 am

zkojq wrote:
Speaking of 767s actually, I've been overseas for a couple of months and haven't been following a.net very closely, but did anyone do a trip report on the 767 retirement flight? Or will I have to write one? I did a quick skim of the trip reports forum but couldn't find anything. Were any a.netters aboard?

I didn't see one, but I have been too busy a lot of the time to look at them. It certainly wasn't mentioned on this thread though.
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - July 2017

Mon Jul 03, 2017 11:06 pm

Just noted the frequencies that are currently operating (this week) on Pacific Island services - has there ever been a time when there was more capacity on these routes, AKL-NAN especially?

Examples:
AKL-NAN 19x weekly (6x77W, 3x77E, 10x320)
AKL-RAR 11x weekly (1x77E, 6x789, 4x320)
AKL-APW 9x weekly (2x77E, 2x789, 5x320)
AKL-TBU 6x weekly (2x77E, 1x789, 3x320)
AKL-HNL 6x weekly (789)

And the school holidays haven't yet started . . . Personally, I think this is pretty impressive. And that HNL is getting close to daily in peak season - this is a huge turnaround from the days not so long ago when the service was 2x weekly in summer and 3x weekly in winter. And I note that both CHC-NAN and WLG-NAN are up to 3x weekly.
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - July 2017

Tue Jul 04, 2017 12:33 am

DavidByrne wrote:
Just noted the frequencies that are currently operating (this week) on Pacific Island services - has there ever been a time when there was more capacity on these routes, AKL-NAN especially?

Examples:
AKL-NAN 19x weekly (6x77W, 3x77E, 10x320)
AKL-RAR 11x weekly (1x77E, 6x789, 4x320)
AKL-APW 9x weekly (2x77E, 2x789, 5x320)
AKL-TBU 6x weekly (2x77E, 1x789, 3x320)
AKL-HNL 6x weekly (789)

And the school holidays haven't yet started . . . Personally, I think this is pretty impressive. And that HNL is getting close to daily in peak season - this is a huge turnaround from the days not so long ago when the service was 2x weekly in summer and 3x weekly in winter. And I note that both CHC-NAN and WLG-NAN are up to 3x weekly.

I guess it was just my bad luck to get one of the A320s to RAR next week. At least I have the 789 back.
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - July 2017

Tue Jul 04, 2017 2:02 am

NAN was similar last year just for a few weeks. RAR has been 12/13 weekly but more A320's. certainly pretty impressive though.

Even in summer a lot of the widebodies remain NAN daily 789, RAR 4/5 weekly 772/789. HNL will get up to 5 weekly This summer with 772's for NOV/FEB.
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - July 2017

Wed Jul 05, 2017 7:01 am

Emirates' A6-EOM brought the America's Cup back home today:

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It's lucky that EK now has A380s operating EK448/EK449. If that was a ten abreast 777, the Cup wouldn't fit down the aisles! ;)
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - July 2017

Wed Jul 05, 2017 8:48 am

LamboAston wrote:
DavidByrne wrote:
Just noted the frequencies that are currently operating (this week) on Pacific Island services - has there ever been a time when there was more capacity on these routes, AKL-NAN especially?

Examples:
AKL-NAN 19x weekly (6x77W, 3x77E, 10x320)
AKL-RAR 11x weekly (1x77E, 6x789, 4x320)
AKL-APW 9x weekly (2x77E, 2x789, 5x320)
AKL-TBU 6x weekly (2x77E, 1x789, 3x320)
AKL-HNL 6x weekly (789)

And the school holidays haven't yet started . . . Personally, I think this is pretty impressive. And that HNL is getting close to daily in peak season - this is a huge turnaround from the days not so long ago when the service was 2x weekly in summer and 3x weekly in winter. And I note that both CHC-NAN and WLG-NAN are up to 3x weekly.

I guess it was just my bad luck to get one of the A320s to RAR next week. At least I have the 789 back.


Generally the A320's do the evening flights which operate at a lower frequency while the widebodies operate most of the morning flights ex AKL, you might get an A320 occasionally in the morning.
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - July 2017

Wed Jul 05, 2017 10:57 am

http://www.loopsamoa.com/samoa-news/sam ... ways-62182

Oh well, I hope for FJ's sake that it doesn't end up in a ball of flames like VA has. It strikes me that Fiji will have their goals, and Samoa will still have theirs.
It makes me laugh that they think APW fares are too high compared to most islands and transtasman they are cheap.
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - July 2017

Thu Jul 06, 2017 5:54 am

zkojq wrote:
Emirates' A6-EOM brought the America's Cup back home today:

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It's lucky that EK now has A380s operating EK448/EK449. If that was a ten abreast 777, the Cup wouldn't fit down the aisles! ;)

If they didn't have the A380s on 448/9, knowing Emirates they would put on a single A380.
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - July 2017

Thu Jul 06, 2017 5:57 am

AKL just reopened from a weather runway closure, with lots of diversions to CHC, including a CHC-AKL (and now CHC) flight, and 5 wide bodies. Sofia just departed CHC as well.
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - July 2017

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AKL just reopened from a weather runway closure, with lots of diversions to CHC, including a CHC-AKL (and now CHC) flight, and 5 wide bodies. Sofia just departed CHC as well.


Severe thunderstorms and heavy rain
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NZ136 772 BNE
NZ53 77W NAN
CZ305 A332 CAN
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NZ80 772 HKG already 6 hrs late due crew sickness on the outbound
NZ124 77W MEL

Will cause a few delays to outbound flights aswell.
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - July 2017

Thu Jul 06, 2017 6:53 am

Awesome pic with the cup there. Great marketing for EK given the parade was littered with EK staff etc...
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - July 2017

Thu Jul 06, 2017 9:10 am

Apparently, its all go between Fiji Airways and what used to be called Polynesian Airways, but which will become Samoa Airways:

http://www.radionz.co.nz/international/ ... ji-airways

"Samoa joins forces with Fiji Airways

Samoa's prime minister Tuilaepa Sa'ilele Malielegaoi has confirmed his country has signed a Memorandum of Understanding with Fiji's national airline as it prepares to resume flights between Samoa, New Zealand and Australia.

Tuilaepa said Polynesian's name will be changed to Samoa Airways.

He said the country's airline should bear the name of Samoa so that people know the airline belongs to Samoa."


I'm not a doubting Thomas, I just don't think it's quite as easy as they make it sound and I don't know how the Samoan tradition of "gift-giving" - koha - will work within a strongly Samoan concept. It helped push the airline into a financial black hole last time.

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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - July 2017

Sat Jul 08, 2017 1:29 am

http://www.routesonline.com/news/38/air ... -apr-2018/

Additional EZE frequency for the month of April 2018.

But quiet around here.

Quite a few extra domestic services moving Lions fans around of late including some 789/772 sectors.

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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - July 2017

Sat Jul 08, 2017 3:00 am

mariner wrote:
Apparently, its all go between Fiji Airways and what used to be called Polynesian Airways, but which will become Samoa Airways:

http://www.radionz.co.nz/international/ ... ji-airways

"Samoa joins forces with Fiji Airways

Samoa's prime minister Tuilaepa Sa'ilele Malielegaoi has confirmed his country has signed a Memorandum of Understanding with Fiji's national airline as it prepares to resume flights between Samoa, New Zealand and Australia.

Tuilaepa said Polynesian's name will be changed to Samoa Airways.

He said the country's airline should bear the name of Samoa so that people know the airline belongs to Samoa."


I'm not a doubting Thomas, I just don't think it's quite as easy as they make it sound and I don't know how the Samoan tradition of "gift-giving" - koha - will work within a strongly Samoan concept. It helped push the airline into a financial black hole last time.

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I wonder if the deal with will one of FJ 737s painted as Samoa Airways? Maybe the 737-700 would be an good start for them?

Next will be see the return of Royal Tongan? With another worn out aircarft to keep ANZES busy?
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - July 2017

Sat Jul 08, 2017 3:30 am

Interesting re Samoa. I think the airfares are a perception issue. Purely anecdotal but from my group of Samoan and Tongan friends, and awful lot of travel to and from the islands is last minute for funerals etc, usually for extended family obligations, which is a cultural specific practice running smack into modern day airline economics.

So last minute bookings require paying a premium, increasing perceived airfare costs. Throw in a tendency for excess baggage payments and yes, you pay more.

If the Samoan government wants to address tourism and affordability issues they'd do something about tourist infrastructure at their end, upping demand, increasing capacity from airlines and competition.
 
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Interesting re Samoa. I think the airfares are a perception issue. Purely anecdotal but from my group of Samoan and Tongan friends, and awful lot of travel to and from the islands is last minute for funerals etc, usually for extended family obligations, which is a cultural specific practice running smack into modern day airline economics.

So last minute bookings require paying a premium, increasing perceived airfare costs. Throw in a tendency for excess baggage payments and yes, you pay more.

If the Samoan government wants to address tourism and affordability issues they'd do something about tourist infrastructure at their end, upping demand, increasing capacity from airlines and competition.


Much as i dislike JQ personally - wonder if it would of been an better choice to get JQ to start AKL-APW?
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - July 2017

Sat Jul 08, 2017 10:25 am

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Interesting re Samoa. I think the airfares are a perception issue. Purely anecdotal but from my group of Samoan and Tongan friends, and awful lot of travel to and from the islands is last minute for funerals etc, usually for extended family obligations, which is a cultural specific practice running smack into modern day airline economics.

So last minute bookings require paying a premium, increasing perceived airfare costs. Throw in a tendency for excess baggage payments and yes, you pay more.

If the Samoan government wants to address tourism and affordability issues they'd do something about tourist infrastructure at their end, upping demand, increasing capacity from airlines and competition.


I tend to agree with your assessment. I also think they would be better off attracting (e.g. through subsidies) established carriers (e.g. JQ, QF, NZ, VA, FJ) to increase or expand their services to APW rather than investing in a new airline...
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - July 2017

Sat Jul 08, 2017 10:53 am

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aerokiwi wrote:
Interesting re Samoa. I think the airfares are a perception issue. Purely anecdotal but from my group of Samoan and Tongan friends, and awful lot of travel to and from the islands is last minute for funerals etc, usually for extended family obligations, which is a cultural specific practice running smack into modern day airline economics.

So last minute bookings require paying a premium, increasing perceived airfare costs. Throw in a tendency for excess baggage payments and yes, you pay more.

If the Samoan government wants to address tourism and affordability issues they'd do something about tourist infrastructure at their end, upping demand, increasing capacity from airlines and competition.


I tend to agree with your assessment. I also think they would be better off attracting (e.g. through subsidies) established carriers (e.g. JQ, QF, NZ, VA, FJ) to increase or expand their services to APW rather than investing in a new airline...

The flights will be operated by a FJ 737, and the airline will be a joint venture with FJ.
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - July 2017

Sun Jul 09, 2017 9:53 am

FJ are a class act these days so I hope it goes well. But yeah I'd have picked the JQ angle over a single plane franchise agreement. Is there any word that VA will reduce frequency or ditch any Samoa routes?
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - July 2017

Sun Jul 09, 2017 12:45 pm

Talofa

As much as I would like to see air services to Samoa succeed, the failed attempt by the Samoan Government to rope in both Air Tahiti Nui as well as Solomon Airlines ultimately failed. Now Ive been following this closely as I have ties to not only Samoa but to Australia and New Zealand as well, so any news regarding the introduction of any new flights to and from Samoa will be interesting.

I have been fortunate enough to book very cheap flights on both Virgin Samoa and Air NZ at times when they promote their sales to the Islands, now the Samoan Government complain that airfares are too high because these two airlines are partnered up (which is in fact false as the joint venture between VA/NZ is only valid on Trans-Tasman flights so does not extend on to Samoa), I have always found that Fiji Airways flights to Samoa are always expensive no matter what time of year it is (yet the Samoan Government doesnt complain about them)

Although it would be sad to see Virgin Samoa ultimately finish up at the end of the year, I am sure Virgin Australia would continue to operate under its Australian status (they are still currently selling tickets to/from Samoa for next year so maybe that could be a sign)

I hope for the sake of all Samoans and tourists wanting to visit the Samoan Islands that the new carrier launches with a clear vision for itself and the people of Samoa. And hope to God that the bureaucrats in the Samoan Government don't let the airline bleed millions and millions of dollars as to what happened with the jet operations for Polynesian and Airlines and what ultimately lead it to cease jet ops.

I will continue to follow this and hope for the best

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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - July 2017

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AKL just reopened from a weather runway closure, with lots of diversions to CHC, including a CHC-AKL (and now CHC) flight, and 5 wide bodies. Sofia just departed CHC as well.

I was in the terminal transfer bus as this hit - minutes after deciding to not walk it.

Once the hail started it felt like the bus was under attack.
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - July 2017

Mon Jul 10, 2017 8:36 am

According to Flightradar24, an Embraer KC-390 (PT-ZNJ) arrived at NZAA this evening.... NZHerald says it's heading over to Whenuapai tomorrow and is here for two nights. Unfortunately looks like it's not going to be easy to spot, but anyone know where it's parked?
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news ... d=11888648
 
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According to Flightradar24, an Embraer KC-390 (PT-ZNJ) arrived at NZAA this evening.... NZHerald says it's heading over to Whenuapai tomorrow and is here for two nights. Unfortunately looks like it's not going to be easy to spot, but anyone know where it's parked?
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news ... d=11888648

Currently parked on the Skycare Ramp. Due to depart at 0800 to Whenuapai.
 
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Mon Jul 10, 2017 11:01 pm

ZKNCI wrote:
According to Flightradar24, an Embraer KC-390 (PT-ZNJ) arrived at NZAA this evening.... NZHerald says it's heading over to Whenuapai tomorrow and is here for two nights. Unfortunately looks like it's not going to be easy to spot, but anyone know where it's parked?
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news ... d=11888648


Looks like it is currently doing an demo flight around Auckland.
 
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Mon Jul 10, 2017 11:16 pm

zkncj wrote:
ZKNCI wrote:
According to Flightradar24, an Embraer KC-390 (PT-ZNJ) arrived at NZAA this evening.... NZHerald says it's heading over to Whenuapai tomorrow and is here for two nights. Unfortunately looks like it's not going to be easy to spot, but anyone know where it's parked?
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news ... d=11888648


Looks like it is currently doing an demo flight around Auckland.

Nope, it just still has its transponder on from its flight AKL-Whenuapai
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - July 2017

Tue Jul 11, 2017 6:14 am

haggis73 wrote:
ZKNCI wrote:
According to Flightradar24, an Embraer KC-390 (PT-ZNJ) arrived at NZAA this evening.... NZHerald says it's heading over to Whenuapai tomorrow and is here for two nights. Unfortunately looks like it's not going to be easy to spot, but anyone know where it's parked?
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news ... d=11888648

Currently parked on the Skycare Ramp. Due to depart at 0800 to Whenuapai.


Thank you very much for the departure time heads-up! Was able to quickly spot it as it went. Quite a large fin on it
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - July 2017

Tue Jul 11, 2017 8:18 am

As Air New Zealand prepare to launch yet another wacky safety video, we look back at all those that have gone before

Planes are great but also scary and, as anyone who has seen Lost will know, when things go wrong they can go really wrong.

It goes without saying then, that safety is vital, yet with all the excitement of air travel (Holidays! Inflight movies! Plane food!) more than a few of us are guilty of phasing out when safety announcement time rolls around.

Thank goodness then that Air New Zealand isn’t a regular airline - it's a cool airline. It wants to make safety fun and for nearly a decade that is exactly what it's done with a bevy of crazy characters with amusing yet informative safety messages for all.

The latest in the quest for the perfect piece of inflight safety-tainment will debut Wednesday and, with extremely current and not at all random Hollywood celebs Katie Holmes and Cuba Gooding Jr set to star, one can only imagine the wacky times awaiting the skies.

http://thewireless.co.nz/articles/featu ... ety-videos

Air New Zealand has confirmed Hollywood celebs Katie Holmes and Cuba Gooding Jr will appear in their new safety video.

Ahead of tomorrow's launch, the national carrier confirmed the celebs' appearance after posting a series of behind-the-scenes clips to social media.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/entertainment ... d=11888768

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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - July 2017

Tue Jul 11, 2017 9:43 am

If anyone knows, what was the go with Qantas having a 747 on a scheduled flight today?

They had an A330 on a scheduled 737 flight yesterday too.
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - July 2017

Tue Jul 11, 2017 9:57 am

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If anyone knows, what was the go with Qantas having a 747 on a scheduled flight today?

They had an A330 on a scheduled 737 flight yesterday too.


End of Lions tour capacity, there was 1 before the tests and 5 after, last one Wednesday 12th. Several extra 73H rotations and some A330's on regular runs aswell. Nice change!
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - July 2017

Wed Jul 12, 2017 4:37 am

Have heard that NZ will be doing YVR 787 as previously mentioned but is simply waiting on regulatory approval.
IAH will be with the new 789 premium config (code 78N)
SFO will likely go 78N
LAX to remain 77W
reconfig on the 77W is going ahead nicely and despite having more premium economy seats the new premium economy weighs approximately half a ton less than the old space seats which is a very significant weight saving (especially when considering more seats are being put in).
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - July 2017

Wed Jul 12, 2017 8:01 am

Zkpilot wrote:
Have heard that NZ will be doing YVR 787 as previously mentioned but is simply waiting on regulatory approval.
IAH will be with the new 789 premium config (code 78N)
SFO will likely go 78N
LAX to remain 77W
reconfig on the 77W is going ahead nicely and despite having more premium economy seats the new premium economy weighs approximately half a ton less than the old space seats which is a very significant weight saving (especially when considering more seats are being put in).


Regulatory approval? Or more 789's? I'm guessing the 302 seater could make YVR-AKL with full pax and some freight?

They are at this stage getting 4 78N's as you call them, personally I think they could end up with 23-25 787's with 10-12 777X's, maybe 778's with a similar capacity to the 77W to be used to LAX and ULH? 78N's to SFO is interesting, 77W's to IAH when this happens? Or HKG?

No 772's planned to leave anytime soon, reconfigure more for leisure use with less premium more economy? Fuel burn would be higher and might make a difference on longer sectors like PVG to profitability, all good when full but low season.

Maybe the 772's more on shorter routes like PER/HNL maybe SIN in current configuration where fuel burn difference isn't a noticeable, a couple of current 789's reconfigured to more 78N to allow YVR/SFO to go 78N?

3 77W's done, taking a break on refits for a few weeks during school holidays, remaining 4 should be complete by peak season starting December.
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - July 2017

Wed Jul 12, 2017 9:01 am

Zkpilot wrote:
Have heard that NZ will be doing YVR 787 as previously mentioned but is simply waiting on regulatory approval.
IAH will be with the new 789 premium config (code 78N)
SFO will likely go 78N
LAX to remain 77W
reconfig on the 77W is going ahead nicely and despite having more premium economy seats the new premium economy weighs approximately half a ton less than the old space seats which is a very significant weight saving (especially when considering more seats are being put in).

What regulatory approval would this be? The 787 is already approved by Transport Canada (heck even the 767 was!) They could fly them there tomorrow if they so wanted.

There aren't enough frames arriving in the next 18 months to do all you mention but the two higher premium configured machines from next years tranche will have to go somewhere.
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - July 2017

Wed Jul 12, 2017 11:36 am

ZK-NBT wrote:
Zkpilot wrote:
Have heard that NZ will be doing YVR 787 as previously mentioned but is simply waiting on regulatory approval.
IAH will be with the new 789 premium config (code 78N)
SFO will likely go 78N
LAX to remain 77W
reconfig on the 77W is going ahead nicely and despite having more premium economy seats the new premium economy weighs approximately half a ton less than the old space seats which is a very significant weight saving (especially when considering more seats are being put in).


Regulatory approval? Or more 789's? I'm guessing the 302 seater could make YVR-AKL with full pax and some freight?

They are at this stage getting 4 78N's as you call them, personally I think they could end up with 23-25 787's with 10-12 777X's, maybe 778's with a similar capacity to the 77W to be used to LAX and ULH? 78N's to SFO is interesting, 77W's to IAH when this happens? Or HKG?

No 772's planned to leave anytime soon, reconfigure more for leisure use with less premium more economy? Fuel burn would be higher and might make a difference on longer sectors like PVG to profitability, all good when full but low season.

Maybe the 772's more on shorter routes like PER/HNL maybe SIN in current configuration where fuel burn difference isn't a noticeable, a couple of current 789's reconfigured to more 78N to allow YVR/SFO to go 78N?

3 77W's done, taking a break on refits for a few weeks during school holidays, remaining 4 should be complete by peak season starting December.

Those were the words used... I'm not too sure what in particular needs to be approved. Perhaps they meant the new configuration needs to have the standard approval from the CAA here?
Yes there will be 4x 78N as per current order book.
Destinations for them will be IAH, YVR, SFO and even possibly EZE since apparently NZ is getting a lot of business traffic. Now the first 3 would take up 5 frames between them so I'm not quite sure what the plan is there. Certainly during peak periods we could see some up gauging to 77E. I think the 77E will be spending more time doing Japan flights with total flights there going to KIX x3, HND x3, NRT x10.
Other thing is that NZ is still keen on MNL but the problem is at the MNL end (government I think).
So yeah some exciting times ahead for NZ.
I also noticed that the Argentina government has back flipped and wants most international flights to go into EZE rather than the other airport. Should give NZ more connection options to South America and through to Europe.
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - July 2017

Wed Jul 12, 2017 2:16 pm

ZK-NBT wrote:
Regulatory approval? Or more 789's? I'm guessing the 302 seater could make YVR-AKL with full pax and some freight?

They are at this stage getting 4 78N's as you call them, personally I think they could end up with 23-25 787's with 10-12 777X's, maybe 778's with a similar capacity to the 77W to be used to LAX and ULH? 78N's to SFO is interesting, 77W's to IAH when this happens? Or HKG? .


On YVR-AKL the 789 is good for ~42t payload. PVG has some pretty heavy freight days. Except for these days the 78X would work just fine into Asia. Maybe a 77W 3x weekly into PVG to take care of freight demand. Would this frequency overcome the need to deadhead 77W crew to and from PVG?
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - July 2017

Wed Jul 12, 2017 6:11 pm

sunrisevalley wrote:

On YVR-AKL the 789 is good for ~42t payload. PVG has some pretty heavy freight days. Except for these days the 78X would work just fine into Asia. Maybe a 77W 3x weekly into PVG to take care of freight demand. Would this frequency overcome the need to deadhead 77W crew to and from PVG?


What's the equivalent payload on the 77E?? I think they might push the 787 performance a bit with new config of 275 that's 33t just on pax and bags, which doesn't allow for much cargo uplift. (9t is barely 2-3 pallets)

YVR have been expecting the 787 for the last 3 years since NZE arrived, but they could go for another 2 years until all 787s delivered, or they could equally see the 777 until a more capable aircraft comes along in the form of additional fleet top up/ new order. I think you would find that if the A350/778 is ordered YVR is first on the list to receive the new type/additional aircraft.

Also of interest
https://leehamnews.com/2017/06/27/airbu ... more-23972

You could expect NZ would take the 316t version given they prefer highest spec. The A359 has also been beefed up by 3.7t payload. As I have said before, if Boeing can't provide the slots NZ requires and Airbus can, you might well see them now. The RR 787 issues have not gone unnoticed..;-)
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - July 2017

Wed Jul 12, 2017 7:48 pm

sunrisevalley wrote:
On YVR-AKL the 789 is good for ~42t payload. PVG has some pretty heavy freight days. Except for these days the 78X would work just fine into Asia. Maybe a 77W 3x weekly into PVG to take care of freight demand. Would this frequency overcome the need to deadhead 77W crew to and from PVG?

I should have said 77E while they are in the fleet, not 77W. The 77E is good for ~ 45t into PVG.
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - July 2017

Wed Jul 12, 2017 9:08 pm

Assuming the next destination to be announced in the next 12 months is in the 16 to 17hr. range what aircraft from the present fleet is likely to be used ?
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - July 2017

Wed Jul 12, 2017 9:26 pm

Anyone hearing anything regarding a NZ AKL to Denver (DEN) announcement? I thought it was being discussed. . .
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - July 2017

Wed Jul 12, 2017 9:54 pm

sunrisevalley wrote:
Assuming the next destination to be announced in the next 12 months is in the 16 to 17hr. range what aircraft from the present fleet is likely to be used ?

I think it will be fleet order announcement first, then route announcements (in that flight duration category). I'd say DEN offers little that IAH can't offer, and ORD is a big step for the current fleet so I think US market will wait until next fleet announced. My next pick is to Americas plural, it will be Latino in destination and MNL reinstated.- nothing above 13h.
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - July 2017

Wed Jul 12, 2017 11:03 pm

jhsusman wrote:
Anyone hearing anything regarding a NZ AKL to Denver (DEN) announcement? I thought it was being discussed. . .


I don't believe DEN is a possibility for the forseeable future.Because of the altitude the TOW would be significantly reduced on the existing fleet to the point that DEN-AKL. would be little better than max passenger load.
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - July 2017

Wed Jul 12, 2017 11:40 pm

aerorobnz wrote:
I think it will be fleet order announcement first, then route announcements (in that flight duration category). I'd say DEN offers little that IAH can't offer, and ORD is a big step for the current fleet so I think US market will wait until next fleet announced. My next pick is to Americas plural, it will be Latino in destination and MNL reinstated.- nothing above 13h.


I believe the next fleet order will have to consider ESAD's in the 8300nm range to include Central Canada and the Atlantic seaboard of the USA. I have followed with interest Leeham's three part piece on QF and how they plan to fly SYD-LHR within a 9500nm ESAD.using the winds to their advantage. The content behind the firewall is fascinating reading. The 777-8 and -9 are by Leehams analysis a pretty awesome pair and appear to comfortably have the measure of the A359ULH
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - July 2017

Wed Jul 12, 2017 11:47 pm

jhsusman wrote:
Anyone hearing anything regarding a NZ AKL to Denver (DEN) announcement? I thought it was being discussed. . .


DEN's altitude and the resulting reduction in TOW makes DEN-AKL barely max passenger load. I doubt if it is a possibility.
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - July 2017

Thu Jul 13, 2017 2:03 am

sunrisevalley wrote:
jhsusman wrote:
Anyone hearing anything regarding a NZ AKL to Denver (DEN) announcement? I thought it was being discussed. . .


DEN's altitude and the resulting reduction in TOW makes DEN-AKL barely max passenger load. I doubt if it is a possibility.

How about seasonal (1DEC-31MAR)? In Winter DEN average temps range from -9degC to +10degC and are typically around freezing in the evenings which is when the flight would be departing. That would have the effect of making it more like 2000ft than 4000ft.
Eventually something like the 778 should have enough guts to operate it fine year round.
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