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DTWorld wrote:Didn't they just get their 330s though?
ZK-NBT wrote:I posted this in the pacific aviation thread the other day.
I'm a wee bit surprised by this, there was talk of another A330 a while ago, they had 3 A332's originally then added the sole A333, I would say another A333 or 2 maybe first. I almost wonder if this is hot air and nothing comes of it atleast for some time.
They seem to like the A330's, certainly a better fit than the 744's atleast allowing them more frequency and options to open new routes ie SIN and hopefully a return to NRT and a flight to PVG.
smi0006 wrote:ZK-NBT wrote:I posted this in the pacific aviation thread the other day.
I'm a wee bit surprised by this, there was talk of another A330 a while ago, they had 3 A332's originally then added the sole A333, I would say another A333 or 2 maybe first. I almost wonder if this is hot air and nothing comes of it atleast for some time.
They seem to like the A330's, certainly a better fit than the 744's atleast allowing them more frequency and options to open new routes ie SIN and hopefully a return to NRT and a flight to PVG.
This does seem unnecessary expenditure. Would some second hand 330s, or leased not make more sense? 2x332 and another 333. Add PVG, SIN, NRT, upgauge MEL, increase SFO - then level out and sustain that capacity for a while?
ikolkyo wrote:Pretty interesting development here that the 330neo isn't in the running.
zkncj wrote:I'd say the 789 is in for an chance, with decent support in the Pacific for the type e.g access to MX in SYD and AKL.
Then again if NZ gets the A350 to replace the 777 fleet, that could help swing there choice.
zkncj wrote:I'd say the 789 is in for an chance, with decent support in the Pacific for the type e.g access to MX in SYD and AKL.
Then again if NZ gets the A350 to replace the 777 fleet, that could help swing there choice.
OA940 wrote:They'll probably sell the A330's. Delta may be interested in used widebodies that are only a few years old. Then again nobody said they were getting rid of them. Maybe they want to expand with other aircraft because the A330 doesn't have sufficient range for their next routes, or a 787 would be more economical on longer routes like LAX or SFO, and they'll use that for those routes and some other long ones and use the A330 to China and Japan.
Qantas16 wrote:OA940 wrote:They'll probably sell the A330's. Delta may be interested in used widebodies that are only a few years old. Then again nobody said they were getting rid of them. Maybe they want to expand with other aircraft because the A330 doesn't have sufficient range for their next routes, or a 787 would be more economical on longer routes like LAX or SFO, and they'll use that for those routes and some other long ones and use the A330 to China and Japan.
I can't think of any routes that FJ would want to fly that the A330 can't service...
DfwAussie wrote:It is odd they opted out of the 787 order and apparently may be looking again.
910A wrote:DfwAussie wrote:It is odd they opted out of the 787 order and apparently may be looking again.
Apparently posters are forgetting the problems Boeing had with the 787. FJ cancelled their 787's because of the multi-year delay the 787 had coming on line, and FJ needed to replaced the 747's. Airbus offered them a sweet deal, able to deliver in a certain time frame and the rest is history. Seems to me, after flying FJ a couple of times on the 332 between LAX-NAN this aircraft is perfect for this service and it is more comfortable in coach than a 787 is. Besides FJ is the only international carrier that I know of that serves Jimmy Dean Breakfast Sandwiches prior to arrival.
ZK-NBT wrote:correct me if I'm wrong, but weren't the 2 FJ 744's, ex AN(SQ) birds?I posted this in the pacific aviation thread the other day.
I'm a wee bit surprised by this, there was talk of another A330 a while ago, they had 3 A332's originally then added the sole A333, I would say another A333 or 2 maybe first. I almost wonder if this is hot air and nothing comes of it atleast for some time.
They seem to like the A330's, certainly a better fit than the 744's atleast allowing them more frequency and options to open new routes ie SIN and hopefully a return to NRT and a flight to PVG.
Motorhussy wrote:because of the glut of aircraft, lease rates must be very low on some aircraft. Think FJ took an ex Air Berlin 738 a while back. If they got a deal on an A330, like they got with the SQ 744's, they wouldn't have to work it hard.Why would they go second-hand A330's (as others have suggested) when the wide-body market is so slow ATM and manufacturers are very flexible when it comes to cutting deals.
Anyhow, this is future-casting by the airline at best. Their current A330 fleet will be with them for sometime to come.
OA940 wrote:Delta may be interested in used widebodies that are only a few years old.
USAOZ wrote:Air Berlin has a few A330's which can't be in high demand. Surely there would be some very attractive lease rates on these buses ?
ChartersJack wrote:The thing about this whole thing is that the 330s were bought when an old CEO was in charge of Fiji Air. The Boeings were a much better option at the time but the CEO took a large "backhand" for purchasing the 330s then quit the role shortly after they were delivered.
The 330s arent able to fly to LAX or SFO with a fully loaded aircraft and the new CEO realises this and is trying to clean up the mess that was left for him when he arrived. They are probably going to keep the 330s and operate them to AUK or SYD and the new 737's from Fiji's smaller airport Nausori to these destinations while using the 350s or 787s to Asia and US as they will be able to fly with a full load.
USAOZ wrote:Air Berlin has a few A330's which can't be in high demand. Surely there would be some very attractive lease rates on these buses ?
aemoreira1981 wrote:USAOZ wrote:Air Berlin has a few A330's which can't be in high demand. Surely there would be some very attractive lease rates on these buses ?
Those would likely be 233t frames. FJ's frames are likely 238t. Is the extra MTOW critical to do SFO-NAN?
So long as HA is an A338 customer, what about that model? 6-7 might be good:
ZK-NBT wrote:ChartersJack wrote:The thing about this whole thing is that the 330s were bought when an old CEO was in charge of Fiji Air. The Boeings were a much better option at the time but the CEO took a large "backhand" for purchasing the 330s then quit the role shortly after they were delivered.
The 330s arent able to fly to LAX or SFO with a fully loaded aircraft and the new CEO realises this and is trying to clean up the mess that was left for him when he arrived. They are probably going to keep the 330s and operate them to AUK or SYD and the new 737's from Fiji's smaller airport Nausori to these destinations while using the 350s or 787s to Asia and US as they will be able to fly with a full load.
The A332 would carry a full load LAX/SFO-NAN. The A333 might take a bit of a hit.
If anything they will IMO lease additional A333's for more uplift to the US with the A332's going to more Asian cities.
eamondzhang wrote:heard a story that the SQ 744's FJ got after SEP11, FJ got at incredible terms, but when FJ ordered the B787's their delivery was planned for when the leases on the 2 SQ birds was up, BUT the long delays on the B787s caused FJ to look around for other options & they came up with the A330's.aemoreira1981 wrote:USAOZ wrote:Air Berlin has a few A330's which can't be in high demand. Surely there would be some very attractive lease rates on these buses ?
Those would likely be 233t frames. FJ's frames are likely 238t. Is the extra MTOW critical to do SFO-NAN?
So long as HA is an A338 customer, what about that model? 6-7 might be good:
IMHO the engine options would likely be more critical given AB's birds are all PW-engined while FJ's one use RR.ZK-NBT wrote:ChartersJack wrote:The thing about this whole thing is that the 330s were bought when an old CEO was in charge of Fiji Air. The Boeings were a much better option at the time but the CEO took a large "backhand" for purchasing the 330s then quit the role shortly after they were delivered.
The 330s arent able to fly to LAX or SFO with a fully loaded aircraft and the new CEO realises this and is trying to clean up the mess that was left for him when he arrived. They are probably going to keep the 330s and operate them to AUK or SYD and the new 737's from Fiji's smaller airport Nausori to these destinations while using the 350s or 787s to Asia and US as they will be able to fly with a full load.
The A332 would carry a full load LAX/SFO-NAN. The A333 might take a bit of a hit.
If anything they will IMO lease additional A333's for more uplift to the US with the A332's going to more Asian cities.
The A333 has MTOW of 242t so I would bet they should be good for a 11h journey. Alternatively they can always rotate the bird to HKG/SIN/SYD to minimise any payload restriction.
Michael
eamondzhang wrote:does it really matter if FJ could get a deal on used A330's that don't have the same engines ? QF used to have a 744 fleet with mix of RR & GE engines. (think the GE engined birds came from another airline used)OA940 wrote:Delta may be interested in used widebodies that are only a few years old.
This is getting old, especially since the only A330 engine type that DL doesn't have is the T700 ones, which is what the FJ birds have.USAOZ wrote:Air Berlin has a few A330's which can't be in high demand. Surely there would be some very attractive lease rates on these buses ?
But those birds have the PW engines when the FJ ones have T700s. Given FJ's small fleet I don't think it's a good idea.
Back to the topic, personally I would only believe it when the plane pulls into the gate at NAN, just like some other posters commented. Their fleets are rather young, and they seems to be happy beforehand. Even if the bird's leased I doubt the length are only 8 years (more likely to be 10-12 years, but that's just my guess). Let's see how it goes.
Cheers
Michael
USAOZ wrote:does it really matter if FJ could get a deal on used A330's that don't have the same engines ? QF used to have a 744 fleet with mix of RR & GE engines. (think the GE engined birds came from another airline used)
NZ321 wrote:Maybe QF group is looking for somewhere to park 787s because they are leaning towards an A350 order? They are a significant shareholder. What would be the motive for a substantial wide body fleet reshuffle otherwise? I agree with previous posts that i can't see what an A332/ A333 can't do in the current and projected network and the fleet is - as has been said - young. Can't see a market for NAN-JFK, for instance. South America would be a hell of a long shot.
bunumuring wrote:Hey guys,
I can see a fleet of about six Dreamliners at Fiji Airways.... Three each of the -9 and -10 models. The -10s could operate prime Australian and NZ routes with the -9s operating longer routes to the US and Asia. An expanded fleet of MAXs including -10s could cover the Pacific plus secondary Australia and NZ routes.
Yes I can see an alternate order for A330neos being made but I really can't see A350s joining Fiji Airways.....
Cheers,
Bunumuring