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The Mighty 757

Sun Jun 18, 2017 9:29 pm

As I sit here and gaze upon a DL757 destined for MSP from MKE, I can't help but think there is no doubt this aircraft deserves a thread for us to show appreciation. The takeoff performance, that nose, the long legs, the L2 boarding door, the tooling that Boeing still has-this beast was a winner all around. What is your favorite thing about it?
 
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Re: The Mighty 757

Sun Jun 18, 2017 9:31 pm

They've always been a beauty to look at and love flying on them! Sad to see them go, but they aren't getting any younger.
 
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Re: The Mighty 757

Sun Jun 18, 2017 9:33 pm

Maybe Boeing should start making them again?
:)
 
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Re: The Mighty 757

Sun Jun 18, 2017 9:39 pm

802flyguy wrote:
Maybe Boeing should start making them again?
:)

Let the record show, i did not make this statement...
 
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Re: The Mighty 757

Sun Jun 18, 2017 9:41 pm

Poor man's 767












:stirthepot:
 
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Re: The Mighty 757

Sun Jun 18, 2017 9:45 pm

ChrisKen wrote:
Poor man's 767












:stirthepot:

Smart man's A321.











:stirthepot:
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Re: The Mighty 757

Sun Jun 18, 2017 9:47 pm

Hang on a second, MKE to MSP? Why such a short flight for an aircraft that size?
 
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Re: The Mighty 757

Sun Jun 18, 2017 9:48 pm

The 757/767 is and was fantastic aircraft. Look at how long they've lasted, how popular they are, and the missions they've taken. No aircraft matches up to what they are.
A319/A320/A321/A333 712/732/733/734/735/737/738/752/753/762/763 C172 CR2/CR7/CR9 E145/E170/E175/E190
MD82/MD83/MD88/MD90 Q100/Q400
 
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Re: The Mighty 757

Sun Jun 18, 2017 9:51 pm

I recall my first sight of one, way back in February 1983, aged 12, when British Airways had not long received it's first example, G-BIKB and she was scheduled to perform a first 'Shuttle' service into Glasgow. My first impression was that she had really long legs like a supermodel, huge engines and seemed to be about a mile long compared to the Tridents she was set to usurp. There was a report on the local BBC Scotland news bulletin that lunchtime which showed inside the cockpit and all that state of the art, two man glass cockpit. It really was as exciting as lets say the launch of the 787 or A350 is to younger enthusiasts these days. Long live the 757, it along with the 767 will probably be the first modern jetliners to have come and gone within my lifetime, assuming I live that long.

Some 27 or so years after that first experience, I went back to Glasgow Airport (now a BBC camera man myself) to film the last operation of a British Airways 757, G-CPET which of course was in the original livery from 1983. It didn't quite make the news that time, but will always be a headline grabber to me.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dKVTRy2j4iQ
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Re: The Mighty 757

Sun Jun 18, 2017 9:53 pm

I always thought Boeing shut down the line prematurely. The 757 was owned by the big 6, plus TWA, Eastern, America West, National (2), ATA. Pus others now. (I cant remember if Pan Am ever owned one, but I think it wpyld look awesome in the billboard ). I do believe Song had the best livery to ever grace a 752
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Re: The Mighty 757

Sun Jun 18, 2017 10:43 pm

PEK777 wrote:
the tooling that Boeing still has


The tooling, along with the rest of the final assembly line for the 757, is either gone or repurposed for 737 production. This would only be about 5% of the logistical challenge for reopening the 757 line... ain't happening.
 
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Re: The Mighty 757

Sun Jun 18, 2017 10:50 pm

codc10 wrote:
PEK777 wrote:
the tooling that Boeing still has


The tooling, along with the rest of the final assembly line for the 757, is either gone or repurposed for 737 production. This would only be about 5% of the logistical challenge for reopening the 757 line... ain't happening.

Folks , I was joking when I made the comment on restarting production.
The have been (too) many threads on the topic.
 
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Re: The Mighty 757

Sun Jun 18, 2017 11:10 pm

Flew a UA 753 from SFO to DCA back in mid May. Was my first 753 journey. Wow, it feels like a long plane. Deplaning from the rear is a PITA and perhaps the longest deplaning I've ever experienced. That said, when the throttles were put all the way forward on the SFO parallels, it still felt like we were going somewhere with a purpose. The acceleration and climb out on a 75X always *feels* more exhilarating than any other AC.
 
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Re: The Mighty 757

Sun Jun 18, 2017 11:18 pm

PEK777 wrote:
this aircraft deserves a thread

This aircraft deserves its own forum. :sarcastic:
 
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Re: The Mighty 757

Sun Jun 18, 2017 11:30 pm

The 757 is my all time favourite aircraft. My first trip on one was either G-MOND or G-MONG from GLA - MCO via Bangor for a fuel stop and immigration control in 1994.
My last was with Air Scotland in 2005.

Nothing beats a 757 with the rollers at full chat. The noise, the power. Just awesome.
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Re: The Mighty 757

Sun Jun 18, 2017 11:42 pm

I have always wondered outside of China why the 757 was not more popular in Asia? Same with Australia New Zealand seemed to be a good fit for the markets
 
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Re: The Mighty 757

Sun Jun 18, 2017 11:49 pm

georgiabill wrote:
I have always wondered outside of China why the 757 was not more popular in Asia? Same with Australia New Zealand seemed to be a good fit for the markets


On transcontinental flights in Australia, capacity was needed. Hence why the 767 dominated for so long and now the A330. I would imagine that those planes are also carrying lots of cargo in the belly. Also, SQ was an early 757 operator...where were those flown?
 
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Re: The Mighty 757

Sun Jun 18, 2017 11:51 pm

garpd wrote:
The 757 is my all time favourite aircraft. My first trip on one was either G-MOND or G-MONG from GLA - MCO via Bangor for a fuel stop and immigration control in 1994.
My last was with Air Scotland in 2005.

Nothing beats a 757 with the rollers at full chat. The noise, the power. Just awesome.


How was air Scotland. I flew to Scotland to play my bagpipes in the Edinburgh tattoo. I hoped to have had the chance to fly them, but was unable. I visit Alba every year and the BA flights from London are getting monotonous. I flew highland express once but I was just a wee bairn, dont remember it.
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Re: The Mighty 757

Sun Jun 18, 2017 11:58 pm

Will never forget my first time onboard one, turning left after boarding our HP 757 to ORD, cant beat it!

Looks wise, with winglets, it is second only to a 747. Take offs from SNA with a light load to PHX, rocket ship. The length of the 757300, I was seated way way back on a UA 753 through some mighty turbulence and the fuselage having that visual bend looking, reading about it is one thing, experiencing it is another.

The best treats would be upgrades on the older un-refurbished birds. 20+ seats, comfortable plush lazy boys style. :cloudnine:
 
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Re: The Mighty 757

Mon Jun 19, 2017 12:06 am

NYPECO wrote:
Hang on a second, MKE to MSP? Why such a short flight for an aircraft that size?


Probably because they can carry sufficient to support it. You must not have been around in the days when NW had multiple DC10's on this route.
 
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Re: The Mighty 757

Mon Jun 19, 2017 12:07 am

I always think that the domestic US fleet was the waste of a good aircraft, compared to the European charter/leisure carriers.

Over here, airlines like Britannia and Condor got real performance out of them, flying them to the edge of the envelope with a mix of maximum passenger payloads and fuel. Carriers like Finnair's charter division flew theirs with maximum capacity based on the certified limits, all the way from Helsinki to the Canaries and further.

They also didn't need fuel dumping. If a fully loaded 757 had trouble at takeoff, it could stay up in the air for quite a while until ready to land. Even that wasn't always necessary as pilot's discretion to immediately land a fully loaded aircraft wasn't a problem either. The thing is built like a tank with plenty of reserve power, and in the case of the Rolls powered ones record-breaking time on wing for the engine (40,500 hours on the wing).

The Eurocharter fleet pounded those routes 24/7 in high season, and even then went on to second lives with the freight boys. Much of the reason the 757 remains such a good aircraft is it is durable, and reliable thanks to engineers who looked at the 737 and 727 and asked themselves how the basics could be simplified and beefed up.

Bit like a pedigree dog, really. If it's got good bloodlines it'll win shows.
 
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Re: The Mighty 757

Mon Jun 19, 2017 12:20 am

airtrantpa wrote:
garpd wrote:
The 757 is my all time favourite aircraft. My first trip on one was either G-MOND or G-MONG from GLA - MCO via Bangor for a fuel stop and immigration control in 1994.
My last was with Air Scotland in 2005.

Nothing beats a 757 with the rollers at full chat. The noise, the power. Just awesome.


How was air Scotland. I flew to Scotland to play my bagpipes in the Edinburgh tattoo. I hoped to have had the chance to fly them, but was unable. I visit Alba every year and the BA flights from London are getting monotonous. I flew highland express once but I was just a wee bairn, dont remember it.


Air Scotland didn't last long, it was a bit of a gimmick. Owned by an Iranian, rebranded with joint Air Scotland/Air Greece titles and mainly operated using Air Holland 757 fleet, it was soon exposed as the amateur operation it was. Their one 757 ended up at Jet 2 ultimately. You could say that Zoom were a more Scottish airline !
 
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Re: The Mighty 757

Mon Jun 19, 2017 12:36 am

The 757, while a beast, has a sub optimal wing for cruise.

The -300 in full 300pax config would sure be something for today's LCC's. A few decades too soon.
 
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Re: The Mighty 757

Mon Jun 19, 2017 12:42 am

As a plane geek I love the 757, but really, you get 30 seconds of thrills on takeoff and then it's worse than a 737 for comfort because it's as cramped, just longer. It's a pretty uncomfortable plane for more than 3 hours, like any narrowbody.
 
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Re: The Mighty 757

Mon Jun 19, 2017 12:46 am

I always thought it was a gawky looking airplane. I first got up close with it in SIN as SQ had a few at the time but once the A310 came it they went pretty fast. Most of the Asian countries chose Airbus (310/300) over Boeing (757/767).

My first flight was on a CZ 757-300.. as a non-rev I was assigned the last row and it was a log walk to my seat! I seem to remember it had mid-cabin toilets? On arrival in CAN I just stayed in my seats for a good 15 minutes as it took that long for the queue to start moving at my row.

One curiosity was that it still had the old-type headphones which is just an air-hose to the speaker in the seat. I wanted to swipe one as a souvenir but figured that was not a good idea on a flight entering China (this was around 2004) so I planned to get one on my homebound leg but that aircraft had normal wired headsets.

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Mon Jun 19, 2017 12:57 am

My favorite jetliner! My last flight was an ex-CO bird out of LAX last December. The climbout was tremendous!

I always thought Boeing shut down the line prematurely.


As do many of us. But, when Boeing made the decision to halt production after 9/11 (2003-2004, I think?) the airline industry was in a general funk and there just wasn't much demand for the type. Part of this was self-inflicted, as Boeing could have introduced the 753 earlier and perhaps additional improvements to the 752 before that time, thus keeping the type more relevant and in-demand. Regardless, they shut down the line because enough orders to keep it open weren't there. I wish they had revamped the type neo/max style around and then offered the uprated type.

Best 757 liveries in my biased view?
- America West Jurassic scheme.
- BA Negus.
- Continental, NOT United (no UA hate here, but the titling just doesn't look right with the font United is using).
- British Caledonian. That one was a showstopper!
 
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Re: The Mighty 757

Mon Jun 19, 2017 1:01 am

JannEejit wrote:
airtrantpa wrote:
garpd wrote:
The 757 is my all time favourite aircraft. My first trip on one was either G-MOND or G-MONG from GLA - MCO via Bangor for a fuel stop and immigration control in 1994.
My last was with Air Scotland in 2005.

Nothing beats a 757 with the rollers at full chat. The noise, the power. Just awesome.


How was air Scotland. I flew to Scotland to play my bagpipes in the Edinburgh tattoo. I hoped to have had the chance to fly them, but was unable. I visit Alba every year and the BA flights from London are getting monotonous. I flew highland express once but I was just a wee bairn, dont remember it.


Air Scotland didn't last long, it was a bit of a gimmick. Owned by an Iranian, rebranded with joint Air Scotland/Air Greece titles and mainly operated using Air Holland 757 fleet, it was soon exposed as the amateur operation it was. Their one 757 ended up at Jet 2 ultimately. You could say that Zoom were a more Scottish airline !


I knew about the air greece partnership, didnt know about the iranian. Zoom was awesome for what it was. I preferred zoom over flyglobespan. I wiah there were more non stops to scotland from the U.S. than having to stop in the sassenach capital.
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Re: The Mighty 757

Mon Jun 19, 2017 1:07 am

I've always enjoyed flying the 757. It's a beautiful plane from the outside. I've done everything from PVD-PHL to ORD-ANC on the 757.
 
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Re: The Mighty 757

Mon Jun 19, 2017 1:14 am

airtrantpa wrote:
I knew about the air greece partnership, didnt know about the iranian. Zoom was awesome for what it was. I preferred zoom over flyglobespan. I wiah there were more non stops to scotland from the U.S. than having to stop in the sassenach capital.

Plenty of services into Manchester, then either BE onwards to Scotland or straight onto the National Rail system at the airport and fast trains to Glasgow/Edinburgh/Aberdeen/Inverness.

Not as many 757s as there used to be though. UA do Newark and AA do Chicago and New York on the 757 at the moment. The rest are A330s and the like. Thomas Cook are a bargain from multiple US points at the moment.
 
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Re: The Mighty 757

Mon Jun 19, 2017 1:19 am

It is, indeed, a beautiful aircraft. I thought it was the only one that looked good the the old Nothwest Orient colors.
 
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Re: The Mighty 757

Mon Jun 19, 2017 1:31 am

Planetalk wrote:
As a plane geek I love the 757, but really, you get 30 seconds of thrills on takeoff and then it's worse than a 737 for comfort because it's as cramped, just longer. It's a pretty uncomfortable plane for more than 3 hours, like any narrowbody.


The mid cabin lav and being able to make that left turn after boarding more than makes up for it and that is a scientific fact.
 
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Mon Jun 19, 2017 1:34 am

NYPECO wrote:
Hang on a second, MKE to MSP? Why such a short flight for an aircraft that size?

MKE can be considered North Chicago. Healthy demand. Sometimes regional routes can have large planes. CO used to regularly schedule the 752 (and sometimes 753) on IAH-SAT.

It's these quirky aircraft/route combinations that adds to the enjoyment of air travel. :)
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Re: The Mighty 757

Mon Jun 19, 2017 1:37 am

When we talk a about cars, we often talk about power:weight ratio. Is there a similar metric that could be applied to the 757, finally proving that it indeed moves and climbs faster than the rest?
 
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Mon Jun 19, 2017 1:39 am

It was my favorite aircraft to fly ever. Even more than the 787!
 
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Re: The Mighty 757

Mon Jun 19, 2017 1:55 am

What was the reason for the distinctive long landing gear on the 757? Makes a 737-900 look like a low rider in comparison.

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Mon Jun 19, 2017 2:26 am

holzmann wrote:
When we talk a about cars, we often talk about power:weight ratio. Is there a similar metric that could be applied to the 757, finally proving that it indeed moves and climbs faster than the rest?

I guess in it's most basic form you can take thrust over MTOW.
For the 757-200 with RR engines, it would be: [(43500lbf x2)/255,000lbs]= .3412
For the 757-200 with PW engines, it would be: [(42600lbf x2)/255,000lbs]= .3341
The above is the same for the 757F.

For the 757-300 with RR engines, it would be: [(43500lbf x2)/273,000lbs]= .3187
For the 757-300 with PW engines, it would be: [(42600lbf x2)/273,000lbs]= .3121

Compared to the dry thrust of the F-15E:
[(14590lbf x2)/81000lbs]= .3602
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Mon Jun 19, 2017 2:37 am

aemoreira1981 wrote:
Also, SQ was an early 757 operator...where were those flown?


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Mon Jun 19, 2017 3:09 am

Favourite aircraft like many others here. First experience and many experiences after were on the SQ birds between SIN-KUL in the early 80's. Then nothing, absolutely nothing until I was reunited with the Boeing rocket in 2015 when in the US. Back and forth between LAX-HNL on the -300, and then on p.s. -200 from JFK-LAX.

Would love to have seen them here in Australia! Still think there would be market startup using them on the milk runs on the Eastern seaboard (in my dreamy opinion!)
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Mon Jun 19, 2017 3:12 am

Always a soft spot in my heart for this airplane as I was involved with its design from the earliest days (7N7) through preliminary design, wind tunnel testing, detail design, flight testing, certification and delivery.

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Mon Jun 19, 2017 3:30 am

stratacruiser wrote:
What was the reason for the distinctive long landing gear on the 757? Makes a 737-900 look like a low rider in comparison.

Dave

Several reasons were part of the design being what it is. Mainly:

1. Engine to ground clearance, including ease of servicing.
2. Ability to use jetbridge at the L2 door position (if it was lower it'd be somewhat awkward)
3. Ground clearance, especially for the 757-300 which uses the same design gear and needs rotation clearance

It was a good piece of design, that put the aircraft at a useful height and also allowed large powered cargo doors to be fitted. Baggage loaders have plenty of room to work under the doors.
 
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Mon Jun 19, 2017 3:30 am

Best memories of the plane for me is obviously my first flight as a pilot for United from LAX-OGG on the 753. I will never forget the feeling of the first take off as well as the landing in OGG. Runway looked really short from the front end of that plane but couldn't believe how well she stopped. Next would have to be a ferry flight from LAX-DEN on a cool evening with winds right down the runway. I have never felt an airplane accelerate and climb out with such authority then that flight. I love flying her but the variety of flying for west coast bases leaves a lot to be desired so sadly I'm likely going to leave the beauty for the beastly 737 sometime soon.
 
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Mon Jun 19, 2017 3:40 am

After 29,000 hours flying planes the B757-200 was my favorite to fly (pay and work rules wise the B744.) Some of the things I loved about the B757 were:
1. Pitch up on T/O was 22-23 degrees.
2. Flying with a full load from DTW-SEA in the summer could go right to FL390.
3. Could take a full load DTW/MSP to ANC.
4. Easier to land at MDW than a B727-200 or a DC-9-50. Comparable to a DC-9-30.
5. Easy to consistently land with the radar altimeter readout.
6. Sexy looking aircraft.

Couple of things I didn't like:
1. Too many red-eyes.
2. Flying at high altitudes means the APU gets cold soaked and if you lose a generator at night even if you descend to lower altitude it take quite awhile for the APU to warm up and start so you have a second generator. Flying for an hour at night with one generator is not fun. Note to self, "Don't bid redeyes."
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Mon Jun 19, 2017 3:44 am

Been flying the 757 for 10 years now and plan on doing so as long as they let me! I imagine that we at UPS will probably be the last 757 operator in the world as all 75 our 757s were new-built for us and only log an average of around 2-3 block hours per day.
 
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Mon Jun 19, 2017 3:49 am

PEK777 wrote:
Planetalk wrote:
As a plane geek I love the 757, but really, you get 30 seconds of thrills on takeoff and then it's worse than a 737 for comfort because it's as cramped, just longer. It's a pretty uncomfortable plane for more than 3 hours, like any narrowbody.


The mid cabin lav and being able to make that left turn after boarding more than makes up for it and that is a scientific fact.


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Mon Jun 19, 2017 4:03 am

I have enjoyed flying on & working with the Boeing 757. My first flight on one was in 1989, a Sunday morning at 6:30 flight from PHL to CVG on Delta. There were only 14 passengers in the main cabin & we were served a hot breakfast with french toast & sausage! My shortest trip on a 757 was a one-hour flight from ATL to CVG, again on Delta, but we still went up to FL410 due to thunderstorms. The longest trip was 6 1/2 hours, Detroit to Anchorage, on Northwest in the year 2000. I'm glad my wife & I were in first class for that trip! On the ground, I can usually pick a 757 out against other twinjets because it has "a nose like an anteater." My only serious criticism of the 757 is not with the plane itself, but the fact that Boeing marketed it as "a replacement for the 727" which it clearly was not. The 727-200 was a 150-seat workhorse, while the first 757s, with a seating capacity of about 180, proved to be too much plane for many carriers, allowing Airbus to come in & steal market share with their 150-seat A320. The 757 was--and is--a very fine aircraft in its own right!
 
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Mon Jun 19, 2017 4:24 am

757 blast off at SNA is the best.
 
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Mon Jun 19, 2017 4:25 am

First flew on a NW 757 from SFO to DTW in 1990. It went right up to FL390. Beautiful bird I've flown on many times since. To me the most beautiful and iconic commercial jet ever, with the possible exception of the 744.
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Mon Jun 19, 2017 4:32 am

UPS757Pilot wrote:
Been flying the 757 for 10 years now and plan on doing so as long as they let me! I imagine that we at UPS will probably be the last 757 operator in the world as all 75 our 757s were new-built for us and only log an average of around 2-3 block hours per day.



Didn't UPS initially take delivery of the P&W version then later switch to RR for the later
orders ?


Always been curious as to why they did this.
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Mon Jun 19, 2017 4:56 am

TWA772LR wrote:
holzmann wrote:
When we talk a about cars, we often talk about power:weight ratio. Is there a similar metric that could be applied to the 757, finally proving that it indeed moves and climbs faster than the rest?

I guess in it's most basic form you can take thrust over MTOW.
For the 757-200 with RR engines, it would be: [(43500lbf x2)/255,000lbs]= .3412
For the 757-200 with PW engines, it would be: [(42600lbf x2)/255,000lbs]= .3341
The above is the same for the 757F.

For the 757-300 with RR engines, it would be: [(43500lbf x2)/273,000lbs]= .3187
For the 757-300 with PW engines, it would be: [(42600lbf x2)/273,000lbs]= .3121

Compared to the dry thrust of the F-15E:
[(14590lbf x2)/81000lbs]= .3602


Rolls engines on the -200 are 41,000 lb thrust and P&W on the -200 is roughly 36,000 lb thrust. Looks like you gave -300 numbers for both.
 
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Re: The Mighty 757

Mon Jun 19, 2017 5:09 am

Flew the 757 on routes as short as ANC-FAI and as long as ATL/IAH/MSP to ANC. Great airplane, and I will miss it.

I wish I had a chance to ride it out of JNU when DL flew it in there for a summer season. The JNU departure would have been a wild ride with 757 power.

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