2017 Paris Air Show - Airbus News And Orders

frigatebird · Mon Jun 19, 2017 9:50 am

A330freak wrote:
Richard28 wrote:
KarelXWB wrote:

Looks like a split order. P&W will power 47 aircraft while CFM will power 55 aircraft.

strange for IAG to split the order... maybe a A321LR sub-fleet with the P&W engines?

It looks like the aircraft for Vueling will be powered by PW whilst the aircraft for BA (which includes 10 A321neos) and IB will be CFM

Thanks for the input guys. Indeed a split order, IAG seems to be hedging their bets, and I think this is a very interesting move. Taking a little gamble with the PW's for LCC Vueling, and going for less risk with mainstream IB/BA. Will be interesting to see what engine will be powering the A321LR for EI!

A60Stock · Mon Jun 19, 2017 9:59 am

Well, the EI ones are coming from lessors who responded to RFP's, so it's in the lap of the lords as to their engines.

BobMUC · Mon Jun 19, 2017 10:06 am

GECAS orders 100 A320neo family aircraft:

http://www.airbus.com/newsroom/press-re ... craft.html

Richard28 · Mon Jun 19, 2017 10:39 am

A330freak wrote:
It looks like the aircraft for Vueling will be powered by PW whilst the aircraft for BA (which includes 10 A321neos) and IB will be CFM

Thanks.

It's strange, as IAG had previously suggested that they would like planes to be interchangeable between airlines in the IAG group. This adds a level of difference that does not necessarily need to apply.

Would like to understand the reasoning for this!

OA940 · Mon Jun 19, 2017 10:57 am

I really hope we see some major A350 orders (my dream is that there are 100 of them, but that seems like a long shot) because it is a great 777 replacement and a fantastic aircraft overall (plus it looks SMOKIN' HOT). IMO the A330neo will get a few orders as well, while the A320neo is already past the 100 mark. Apart from the 20 by EK the A380/plus probably won't get any orders, then again any order for that is a blessing.

Polot · Mon Jun 19, 2017 10:58 am

EK is not expected to order 20 A380s at this time. With the Dubai air show this year any order that they do place will probably be made there in November.

OA940 · Mon Jun 19, 2017 12:28 pm

Polot wrote:
EK is not expected to order 20 A380s at this time. With the Dubai air show this year any order that they do place will probably be made there in November.

Oh yeah I forgot about that. Don't they place most airshow orders there (except the 777X)?

A330freak · Mon Jun 19, 2017 12:51 pm

12 A321neos for ALC

http://www.airbus.com/newsroom/press-re ... craft.html

Egerton · Mon Jun 19, 2017 1:12 pm

Richard28 wrote:
A330freak wrote:
It looks like the aircraft for Vueling will be powered by PW whilst the aircraft for BA (which includes 10 A321neos) and IB will be CFM

Thanks.

It's strange, as IAG had previously suggested that they would like planes to be interchangeable between airlines in the IAG group. This adds a level of difference that does not necessarily need to apply.

Would like to understand the reasoning for this!

I guess that with the scale of IAG's narrow body fleet they gain the ability to place orders in penny packets with the best value supplier. IAG can keep the two suppliers honest.

mjoelnir · Mon Jun 19, 2017 1:32 pm

Richard28 wrote:
A330freak wrote:
It looks like the aircraft for Vueling will be powered by PW whilst the aircraft for BA (which includes 10 A321neos) and IB will be CFM

Thanks.

It's strange, as IAG had previously suggested that they would like planes to be interchangeable between airlines in the IAG group. This adds a level of difference that does not necessarily need to apply.

Would like to understand the reasoning for this!

LH has also ordered both the LEAP and GTF.

Dominion301 · Mon Jun 19, 2017 2:53 pm

anshabhi wrote:
Viva Air Peru to order 25 NEO and 15 CEO

http://reuters.com/article/idUSKBN1990U6?il=0

I had a feeling we'd still see some 32x CEO orders...assuming this becomes official.

KarelXWB · Mon Jun 19, 2017 3:09 pm

Another A320neo engine order:

https://www.cfmaeroengines.com/press-ar ... gine-deal/

ICBC Leasing, a subsidiary of Industrial and Commercial Bank of China (ICBC), today signed an agreement with CFM International to purchase the advanced LEAP-1A engine to power 40 Airbus A320neo aircraft. This engine order is valued at more than $1.1 billion U.S. at list price. The aircraft order was announced in 2012.

TheDBCooper · Mon Jun 19, 2017 6:47 pm

frigatebird wrote:
Thanks for the input guys. Indeed a split order, IAG seems to be hedging their bets, and I think this is a very interesting move. Taking a little gamble with the PW's for LCC Vueling, and going for less risk with mainstream IB/BA. Will be interesting to see what engine will be powering the A321LR for EI!

I'd have thought Iberia Engine MRO would also be interested in MRO work for both engine types too!

ikolkyo · Mon Jun 19, 2017 6:54 pm

Looks like JetBlue is getting A330neos, would have liked to see some 787s for them but A330neo makes sense for them and their plans.

https://twitter.com/FlyingPhotog/status ... 0524891137

jnev3289 · Mon Jun 19, 2017 6:59 pm

ikolkyo wrote:
Looks like JetBlue is getting A330neos, would have, would have to liked to see some 787s for them but A330neo makes sense for them and their plans.

https://twitter.com/FlyingPhotog/status ... 0524891137

Color me skeptical, I'll believe it when its official

BlueSky1976 · Mon Jun 19, 2017 7:59 pm

Excellent choice, if true. 787 is too much of a plane for them, MoM would've been better, but B6 can't wait, I presume.

gatibosgru · Mon Jun 19, 2017 8:03 pm

Wow, now that would be an order to be talked about! Hope it turns out to be true!

Stitch · Mon Jun 19, 2017 8:04 pm

BlueSky1976 wrote:
Excellent choice, if true. 787 is too much of a plane for them, MoM would've been better, but B6 can't wait, I presume.

The A330-800 / -900 and 787-8 / -9 are effectively interchangeable in terms of capacity. The 787-9 will handily out-range an A330-900, but I don't think B6 needs more than JFK-based TATL range where the A330-900 is fine.

LupineChemist · Mon Jun 19, 2017 8:08 pm

It'd be a lot easier for B6 to train pilots for the 330 who already have 32x type rating.

kimimm19 · Mon Jun 19, 2017 8:21 pm

Stitch wrote:
BlueSky1976 wrote:
Excellent choice, if true. 787 is too much of a plane for them, MoM would've been better, but B6 can't wait, I presume.

The A330-800 / -900 and 787-8 / -9 are effectively interchangeable in terms of capacity. The 787-9 will handily out-range an A330-900, but I don't think B6 needs more than JFK-based TATL range where the A330-900 is fine.

My thoughts as well, though if you're going strictly on a per seat basis, then I'm thinking the 787-10 is in the running as well.

I would think though, given JetBlue's Airbus fleet, they might get a nice deal on A321neos with some A330neos...

tphuang · Mon Jun 19, 2017 8:57 pm

Stitch wrote:
BlueSky1976 wrote:
Excellent choice, if true. 787 is too much of a plane for them, MoM would've been better, but B6 can't wait, I presume.

The A330-800 / -900 and 787-8 / -9 are effectively interchangeable in terms of capacity. The 787-9 will handily out-range an A330-900, but I don't think B6 needs more than JFK-based TATL range where the A330-900 is fine.

I think this is the most logical solution for them given all the reasons stated so far. I would imagine A330NEOs are a lot cheaper than 787 and 350. And it would cover all of the logical routes out of JFK/BOS and FLL. Could go with 8 across Y & and 7 across PE.

Pohakuloa · Mon Jun 19, 2017 10:01 pm

B6 with potential 330neo acquisition... oh my. the conspiracy thought process is alive and well in my mind... :stirthepot:

Planesmart · Mon Jun 19, 2017 10:31 pm

frigatebird wrote:
Thanks for the input guys. Indeed a split order, IAG seems to be hedging their bets, and I think this is a very interesting move. Taking a little gamble with the PW's for LCC Vueling, and going for less risk with mainstream IB/BA. Will be interesting to see what engine will be powering the A321LR for EI!

Good strategic thinking. Don't put all of the group's NB fleet on one engine. Monitor real world performance, parts pricing and support. And flexibility to jump either way with each new acquisition.

Polot · Mon Jun 19, 2017 10:36 pm

The Paris Air Show in the middle of the night on East Coast USA (from "within the next 12 hours) seems like an odd time/venue for B6 to announce they are starting intercontinental flights by ordering the A330neo. I figured that is something that B6 would announce in New York on their own day without sharing any spotlight. But who knows.

astuteman · Tue Jun 20, 2017 2:17 am

A330freak wrote:
12 A321neos for ALC

http://www.airbus.com/newsroom/press-re ... craft.html

Makes 112 NEO's for the day.
All firm orders too

(I make NEO total orders 5 165 to date)

Rgds

chiad · Tue Jun 20, 2017 5:55 am

astuteman wrote:
A330freak wrote:
12 A321neos for ALC

http://www.airbus.com/newsroom/press-re ... craft.html

Makes 112 NEO's for the day.
All firm orders too

(I make NEO total orders 5 165 to date)

Rgds

Not bad at all. IMO firm orders are what it's all about.
But I hope we'll see an A322 launch later this year

qf789 · Tue Jun 20, 2017 7:25 am

Airbus to reveal at 1030am

"How we pioneer to reinvent aviation"

https://mobile.twitter.com/Airbus/statu ... gr%5Etweet

Any idea what this could be?

jupiter2 · Tue Jun 20, 2017 7:34 am

qf789 wrote:
Airbus to reveal at 1030am

"How we pioneer to reinvent aviation"

https://mobile.twitter.com/Airbus/statu ... gr%5Etweet

Any idea what this could be?

How we offer a NEO version of just about every model aircraft we build. :duck:

RalXWB · Tue Jun 20, 2017 7:40 am

At least they don´t MAX things out... :hyper:

AsiaTravel · Tue Jun 20, 2017 7:40 am

qf789 wrote:
Airbus to reveal at 1030am

"How we pioneer to reinvent aviation"

https://mobile.twitter.com/Airbus/statu ... gr%5Etweet

Any idea what this could be?

I think it might be their Vahana project, the electric flying taxi.

zkojq · Tue Jun 20, 2017 7:46 am

AirAsia's Tony Fernandes just posted a photo of a group of AirAsia cabin crew standing next to some Paris landmarks. Any idea what they might be ordering?

Someone83 · Tue Jun 20, 2017 7:50 am

zkojq wrote:
AirAsia's Tony Fernandes just posted a photo of a group of AirAsia cabin crew standing next to some Paris landmarks. Any idea what they might be ordering?

Croissants?

zkojq · Tue Jun 20, 2017 8:29 am

Someone83 wrote:
zkojq wrote:
AirAsia's Tony Fernandes just posted a photo of a group of AirAsia cabin crew standing next to some Paris landmarks. Any idea what they might be ordering?

Croissants?

They look like they're here for a media event of somekind. Maybe AirAsia X to get some A330-800s inorder to serve Europe with? (converting some A330-900 orders, maybe?)

https://www.instagram.com/p/BVjQg9oA2QW/

ernestxwb · Tue Jun 20, 2017 8:31 am

zkojq wrote:
AirAsia's Tony Fernandes just posted a photo of a group of AirAsia cabin crew standing next to some Paris landmarks. Any idea what they might be ordering?

Celebration for winning the Skytrax award 8 times in a row for being the world's best LCC I think?

OA940 · Tue Jun 20, 2017 9:04 am

zkojq wrote:
AirAsia's Tony Fernandes just posted a photo of a group of AirAsia cabin crew standing next to some Paris landmarks. Any idea what they might be ordering?

868-seater A380's.

juliuswong · Tue Jun 20, 2017 9:10 am

OA940 wrote:
zkojq wrote:
AirAsia's Tony Fernandes just posted a photo of a group of AirAsia cabin crew standing next to some Paris landmarks. Any idea what they might be ordering?

868-seater A380's.

Hahaha, he just did a fb live at Airbus pent, showing audience all the Airbus models line up at PAS2017. When A380 was shown, he said "An aircraft we will never buy". When A321 was shown "this is my favourite aircraft"

I think those crew mentioned by zkojq is there for Skytrax award...9th time world's best low cost airlines perhaps?? They didn't send any A320 for promo this time though.

sadiqutp · Tue Jun 20, 2017 9:33 am

qf789 wrote:
Airbus to reveal at 1030am

"How we pioneer to reinvent aviation"

https://mobile.twitter.com/Airbus/statu ... gr%5Etweet

Any idea what this could be?

Is it the reveal of "Skywise"?
data analysis solutions
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eR-otHgjMXI

EPA001 · Tue Jun 20, 2017 9:35 am

sadiqutp wrote:
qf789 wrote:
Airbus to reveal at 1030am

"How we pioneer to reinvent aviation"

https://mobile.twitter.com/Airbus/statu ... gr%5Etweet

Any idea what this could be?

Is it the reveal of "Skywise"?
data analysis solutions
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eR-otHgjMXI

Probably. I just received a notification from Airbus for that video on youtube.

A330freak · Tue Jun 20, 2017 9:47 am

Viva Air with a MoU for 35 A320neos and 15 A320 (presumably ceo)
https://twitter.com/R_Wall/status/877099913351442433

fcogafa · Tue Jun 20, 2017 9:55 am

ETH to order 10x A350s that may already be 'unidentified'

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/artic ... 8s-438501/

qf789 · Tue Jun 20, 2017 10:07 am

Press release on Skywise

http://www.airbus.com/newsroom/press-re ... o-sup.html

A330freak · Tue Jun 20, 2017 11:05 am

China Development Bank signs a MoU for 30 A320neos and 15 A321neos.

https://twitter.com/_AirlinerWorld/stat ... 2527271937

qf789 · Tue Jun 20, 2017 11:44 am

A330freak wrote:
China Development Bank signs a MoU for 30 A320neos and 15 A321neos.

https://twitter.com/_AirlinerWorld/stat ... 2527271937

Airbus Press Release

15 A320neo currently on order have been converted into 15 A321neos

http://www.airbus.com/newsroom/press-re ... ation.html

qf789 · Tue Jun 20, 2017 12:19 pm

A330freak wrote:
Viva Air with a MoU for 35 A320neos and 15 A320 (presumably ceo)
https://twitter.com/R_Wall/status/877099913351442433

Airbus Press Release

15 A320ceos, 35 A320neos

http://www.airbus.com/newsroom/press-re ... craft.html

KarelXWB · Tue Jun 20, 2017 12:39 pm

DL orders 10 more A321s:

http://news.delta.com/delta-boost-airbu ... e-aircraft

mjoelnir · Tue Jun 20, 2017 1:00 pm

It could be that Airbus walks out of Paris with more additional firm orders for the A321neo, than Boeing for the 737-10.

anshabhi · Tue Jun 20, 2017 1:03 pm

mjoelnir wrote:
It could be that Airbus walks out of Paris with more additional firm orders for the A321neo, than Boeing for the 737-10.

qf789 wrote:

291 plus the undisclosed number of what Tibet Financial leasing will take in their MOU

Of the 291, 164 are conversions, 127 are MOU's, commitments or orders

thanks!

so, net orders for Boeing are around 170 (including B787s)

Airbus already has 202 genuine new orders.

Dutchy · Tue Jun 20, 2017 1:04 pm

mjoelnir wrote:
It could be that Airbus walks out of Paris with more additional firm orders for the A321neo, than Boeing for the 737-10.

If you exclude the conversions from the tally and only count the firm orders, sure.

qf789 · Tue Jun 20, 2017 1:04 pm

Airbus Press Release on 10 A321ceos for Delta

http://www.airbus.com/newsroom/press-re ... a321s.html

Polot · Tue Jun 20, 2017 1:09 pm

mjoelnir wrote:
It could be that Airbus walks out of Paris with more additional firm orders for the A321neo, than Boeing for the 737-10.

The overwhelming number of MoUs for the 737-10 and zero firm orders suggests that at this time Boeing is not yet allowed to walk out of Paris, or anywhere, with firm orders for the 737-10. They need board approval first.

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