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sldispatcher wrote:Yes, I know they are rebanking. The question is whether or not the schedules are fully loaded or just the initial framework is in place.
AVENSAB727 wrote:I also heard that this rebanking will give them the platform to grow out of IAH too.
AVENSAB727 wrote:I also heard that this rebanking will give them the platform to grow out of IAH too.
jetblastdubai wrote:AVENSAB727 wrote:I also heard that this rebanking will give them the platform to grow out of IAH too.
Now that the new C concourse is open again, didn't UA just re-gain access to 10-12 gates? That could really provide some space to grow.
https://www.united.com/web/format/img/t ... map-01.png
AMERICAN757 wrote:AVENSAB727 wrote:I also heard that this rebanking will give them the platform to grow out of IAH too.
I am curious to see UA and Scott Kirbys plans for growing out of IAH as they rebank. I'm not sure how people feel about IAH as a huge connecting hub but from my amateur opinion it appears the airport might be slightly underutilized. To me going through IAH depending on the direction of travel does not seem out of the way at all compared to DFW.
Okcflyer wrote:UA currently runs a massive fleet of E175's and E145's out of IAH. Loosing two banks means some routes will need to upgauge to handle the capacity. There are many cities 0.5-2million people that UA primiliarly serves through IAH (minus some token service to DEN and ORD and maybe a couple O/D commuters). Not sure UA has the fleet slack to handle upgauging very many of these flights in the near term.
None the less, IAH is a very good airport and I look forward to the changes. It's easily my most visited hub.
LAXintl wrote:Going omni-bank will allow some markets - the examples he used were SAP and MSY which today are focused primarily for a single direction connection flow, to be connected to more potential markets, helping their performance and performance in connecting flights.
AMERICAN757 wrote:Does the reduction in banks mean we will see less flights at IAH or am I understanding that there will just be more flights crammed into the 8 banks?
LAXintl wrote:It's the same 500ish flights into 8 banks instead of current 10 banks.
Ref MSY example he stated many of those flights are optimized for Western connectivity but not ideal if someone wanted to go East or North via IAH. SAP was similar mostly timed for Eastern connectivity but not Western.
With omni-banks UA can offer wider number flights options to be competitive schedule and price wise when competing against larger hubs like ATL and DFW.
Time will tell, but that's his theory....
LAXintl wrote:Ref MSY example he stated many of those flights are optimized for Western connectivity but not ideal if someone wanted to go East or North via IAH.
With omni-banks UA can offer wider number flights options to be competitive schedule and price wise when competing against larger hubs like ATL and DFW.
Time will tell, but that's his theory....
UALFAson wrote:LAXintl wrote:Ref MSY example he stated many of those flights are optimized for Western connectivity but not ideal if someone wanted to go East or North via IAH.
With omni-banks UA can offer wider number flights options to be competitive schedule and price wise when competing against larger hubs like ATL and DFW.
Time will tell, but that's his theory....
Not that it's *that* far to backtrack, but why would someone fly MSY-East Coast/Northeast via IAH vs. ATL, CLT, DCA, etc? Even Mileage Plus members would probably be better off flying through ORD or IAD. Biz travelers (like me) aren't going to waste ~2 hours doing that; a leisure traveler probably would for a lower fare, but why is UA chasing after lower-yield business?
Personally, I HATE this mega-rebanking that UA, AA, and others are doing. All it means is a bunch of flights leave at the exact same time, you wind up being #17 for takeoff (not hyperbole--what an AA Eagle pilot told us recently at CLT), and all that time you supposedly save waiting in the terminal you instead spend crammed into an airline seat waiting for takeoff.
AVENSAB727 wrote:
AMERICAN757 wrote:AVENSAB727 wrote:
This article says in 2018 we will experience the fruits of the new $277 New C North concourse. I wonder what else is coming, I thought it was fully completed at this point.
jetero wrote:AMERICAN757 wrote:AVENSAB727 wrote:
This article says in 2018 we will experience the fruits of the new $277 New C North concourse. I wonder what else is coming, I thought it was fully completed at this point.
It is fully completed.
AVENSA, what do you think has been announced?
AVENSAB727 wrote:jetero wrote:AMERICAN757 wrote:
This article says in 2018 we will experience the fruits of the new $277 New C North concourse. I wonder what else is coming, I thought it was fully completed at this point.
It is fully completed.
AVENSA, what do you think has been announced?
They are officially announcing the rebanking of IAH, starting on October 29, here is another link, in case my previous link has a paywall.
https://hub.united.com/united-banking-h ... 53289.html
LAXintl wrote:Per Kirby townhall, the initial goal of the rebanking is not for growth at IAH, but to provide a higher portion of what he sees is more profitable connection flow and reduce reliance on local enplanements which continues to be down due energy sector.
drerx7 wrote:What other destinations could they add based on 'leveraging' IAH's position? There aren't many holes in the route network.
izbtmnhd wrote:When I saw the re-bank announcement on FB if assumed this was being done because Houston's economy has slowed to a crawl. It's nice to see them being proactive as opposed to waiting for the energy sector to bounce back.
drerx7 wrote:What other destinations could they add based on 'leveraging' IAH's position? There aren't many holes in the route network.
AMERICAN757 wrote:I hope a few more international routes are announced, this could facilitate the expansion to other domestic markets for feed.
AMERICAN757 wrote:I'm trying to be optimistic that Houston has a good shot at landing Amazon. I think the outlook for that is bleak but if Houston did get their 2nd headquarters how do we think it might impact IAH?
COflyerBOS wrote:There are a TON of holes in the market especially if they're looking for connections.
Rdh3e wrote:COflyerBOS wrote:There are a TON of holes in the market especially if they're looking for connections.
You're just listing destinations they don't fly. If it's not economically feasible, it's not really a "hole".
COflyerBOS wrote:Most of the cities I listed were once served by Continental from IAH. They were cut for various reasons (move to all jets, oil slump, high oil prices, 9-11, merger with United) but none are wildly out of line.
It's not like I listed Hong Kong, Perth, Shenzhen, Seoul, Manila, Tel Aviv, Prague, Brasilia, Maracaibo, Bangor, and St Kitts.
LAXdude1023 wrote:COflyerBOS wrote:Most of the cities I listed were once served by Continental from IAH. They were cut for various reasons (move to all jets, oil slump, high oil prices, 9-11, merger with United) but none are wildly out of line.
It's not like I listed Hong Kong, Perth, Shenzhen, Seoul, Manila, Tel Aviv, Prague, Brasilia, Maracaibo, Bangor, and St Kitts.
Based on what you wrote, my honest opinion would be:
Actual Holes in the Network:
GSO
TRC
ZCL
MSN
CID
DAY
TUX
ONT
GJT
GYE
CLO
CDG
BFL
Routes that would be good ONLY if UA partners with a turbo prop operator:
ACT
DRT
TYR
VCT
The rest arent actual holes though. I hate the fact that UA didnt keep what CO had in Mexico to the level it did, but if it wasnt profitable then I cant blame them.
CIDFlyer wrote:LAXdude1023 wrote:COflyerBOS wrote:Most of the cities I listed were once served by Continental from IAH. They were cut for various reasons (move to all jets, oil slump, high oil prices, 9-11, merger with United) but none are wildly out of line.
It's not like I listed Hong Kong, Perth, Shenzhen, Seoul, Manila, Tel Aviv, Prague, Brasilia, Maracaibo, Bangor, and St Kitts.
Based on what you wrote, my honest opinion would be:
Actual Holes in the Network:
GSO
TRC
ZCL
MSN
CID
DAY
TUX
ONT
GJT
GYE
CLO
CDG
BFL
Routes that would be good ONLY if UA partners with a turbo prop operator:
ACT
DRT
TYR
VCT
The rest arent actual holes though. I hate the fact that UA didnt keep what CO had in Mexico to the level it did, but if it wasnt profitable then I cant blame them.
I would love to see CID comeback. We did have flights a few years ago. It seems though that DFW works so much better capturing that midwest-Texas-and beyond traffic than IAH does which is somewhat surprising.
wxtech wrote:It was interesting today @IAH. The "peaks" seemed higher volume than before. I wish flightaware had the old atc graph for operations per hour. It would have been interesting to see.
portcolumbus wrote:wxtech wrote:It was interesting today @IAH. The "peaks" seemed higher volume than before. I wish flightaware had the old atc graph for operations per hour. It would have been interesting to see.
Well it went from 10 banks to 8, so that should be the case.