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Re: Bahrain, Egypt and KSA closed their airspace for Qatar

Sun Jul 02, 2017 12:01 am

edu2703 wrote:
777GE90 wrote:
edu2703 wrote:
Rumor: In the next 48 hours:

1. Kuwait to cut ALL ties with Qatar
2. Jordan to cut ALL ties with Qatar
3. GCC to cut ALL ties with Turkey


Very intersting.

Source?

Dr. Jasim Khalfan via Twitter https://twitter.com/DrJasimKhalfan/stat ... 8488681472

And the tweet has been deleted. So much for that.
 
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Re: Bahrain, Egypt and KSA closed their airspace for Qatar

Sun Jul 02, 2017 1:12 am

edu2703 wrote:

That's not a reliable source at all. When someone claims ISIS, Turkey and Qatar are zionists in a secret complot with Israel I know enough.
 
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Re: Bahrain, Egypt and KSA closed their airspace for Qatar

Sun Jul 02, 2017 2:55 am

CanadaFair wrote:
Kuwait mediator to take a u-turn LOL!


Not going to happen.
 
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Re: Bahrain, Egypt and KSA closed their airspace for Qatar

Sun Jul 02, 2017 9:58 am

MalevTU134 wrote:
mjoelnir wrote:
MalevTU134 wrote:
My question remains...when/where/in what conflict was that? I would say Norway has been far more active as mediator, such as in the Oslo deal between Israel and the PLO, in the conflict in Sri Lanka, in mediations between FARC and the Colombian government... But Switzerland?...


Switzerland is the classic mediator or neutral go between.

read: http://www.americanswiss.org/switzerlan ... d-offices/

I have been stupid again searching the internet instead of letting people find things themselves.

Takkar fyrir!
I did search but came up with nothing. And while this page does show a few conflicts where they did participate in the mediation (mostly as part of a multy-party effort, for example OSCE), that is hardly being the classic mediator. But, whatever, this is really off topic anyway.


It is the classic mediator, if you show me one country having mediated more often than Switzerland, than do it instead putting out unsupported statements. I pointed to something coming up nearly instantly on the net and you seem to not even having bothered to read it. That you have not followed modern history is not my problem.
 
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Re: Bahrain, Egypt and KSA closed their airspace for Qatar

Sun Jul 02, 2017 11:49 pm

Confirmed: KSA and allies agreed to extend the ultimatum deadline by 48 hours.

Foreign Ministers of Egypt, Saudia Arabia, UAE to meet in Cairo to discuss Qatar crisis and the next steps on July 05.
 
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Re: Bahrain, Egypt and KSA closed their airspace for Qatar

Mon Jul 03, 2017 2:28 am

edu2703 wrote:
Confirmed: KSA and allies agreed to extend the ultimatum deadline by 48 hours.

Foreign Ministers of Egypt, Saudia Arabia, UAE to meet in Cairo to discuss Qatar crisis and the next steps on July 05.


....and Qatar raises middle finger of other hand.

I lived in Qatar for a while last decade...and spent a lot of time in Dubai and Abu Dhabi. Frankly, there isn't much difference between the UAE and Qatar, on any practical basis...and that's near the root of the problem. They are both small, rich countries ruled by royal families whose main objective is to increase their own wealth and power, especially in comparison to their neighbors.

The biggest difference is that Qatar has made its path closer to Dubai's than Abu Dhabi's. All the noise we hear from the UAE is coming from Abu Dhabi, who has grown weary of playing second fiddle to Dubai on the global front, (which explains the existence of Etihad), and it really doesn't want to be third string behind Doha as well.

I am baffled why they would choose to take their marching orders from Saudi, though. In truth, the UAE, isn't all that united. There is a lot of behind the scenes drama in inter Emerati relations.
What the...?
 
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Re: Bahrain, Egypt and KSA closed their airspace for Qatar

Mon Jul 03, 2017 3:58 am

JoeCanuck wrote:
....and Qatar raises middle finger of other hand.

I lived in Qatar for a while last decade...and spent a lot of time in Dubai and Abu Dhabi. Frankly, there isn't much difference between the UAE and Qatar, on any practical basis...and that's near the root of the problem. They are both small, rich countries ruled by royal families whose main objective is to increase their own wealth and power, especially in comparison to their neighbors.

The biggest difference is that Qatar has made its path closer to Dubai's than Abu Dhabi's. All the noise we hear from the UAE is coming from Abu Dhabi, who has grown weary of playing second fiddle to Dubai on the global front, (which explains the existence of Etihad), and it really doesn't want to be third string behind Doha as well.

I am baffled why they would choose to take their marching orders from Saudi, though. In truth, the UAE, isn't all that united. There is a lot of behind the scenes drama in inter Emerati relations.


Sad part is Abu Dhabi doesn't realize that by blindly following KSA (first into Yemen, now this), they are slowly pissing away what the UAE as a whole have spent years and billions of dollars to build. All it would take is for one ugly incident for the world perception to change. While not Dubai, Abu Dhabi is still a great city, light-years ahead of the likes of Saudi. I hope the country doesn't go backwards.
 
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Re: Bahrain, Egypt and KSA closed their airspace for Qatar

Mon Jul 03, 2017 4:36 am

edu2703 wrote:
Confirmed: KSA and allies agreed to extend the ultimatum deadline by 48 hours.

Foreign Ministers of Egypt, Saudia Arabia, UAE to meet in Cairo to discuss Qatar crisis and the next steps on July 05.


As if that will change anything. Qatar was already rejecting the ultimatum the day they were first told about it. Seems like the Gulf countries weren't expecting Qatar to be so bold and reject all demands, and instead thought they'd accept some and negotiate others.
 
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Re: Bahrain, Egypt and KSA closed their airspace for Qatar

Mon Jul 03, 2017 11:00 am

Not a chance in hell that Qatar will agree to any of this bullying, it will drag on and on, the demands are set too high. Also read the list of "unpublished demands"

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-40476821
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Re: Bahrain, Egypt and KSA closed their airspace for Qatar

Mon Jul 03, 2017 5:40 pm

mjoelnir wrote:
MalevTU134 wrote:
mjoelnir wrote:

Switzerland is the classic mediator or neutral go between.

read: http://www.americanswiss.org/switzerlan ... d-offices/

I have been stupid again searching the internet instead of letting people find things themselves.

Takkar fyrir!
I did search but came up with nothing. And while this page does show a few conflicts where they did participate in the mediation (mostly as part of a multy-party effort, for example OSCE), that is hardly being the classic mediator. But, whatever, this is really off topic anyway.


It is the classic mediator, if you show me one country having mediated more often than Switzerland, than do it instead putting out unsupported statements. I pointed to something coming up nearly instantly on the net and you seem to not even having bothered to read it. That you have not followed modern history is not my problem.

Have you read the posts I wrote earlier? In fact you just quoted it. It's all there, my example of Norway. I don't know if it's more or less than Switzerland, but I have included some of the conflicts Norway has played a major part in mediating.
And I did search Google, it all depends on the search term you put in, which I am sure you are well aware of. No need for hyperbole and accusations.
 
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Re: Bahrain, Egypt and KSA closed their airspace for Qatar

Mon Jul 17, 2017 5:35 pm

For anyone who'd like to know how the ban affects DOH and QR, here is a report by a passenger who flew into and out of DOH.
http://www.independent.co.uk/travel/news-and-advice/qatar-airways-doha-airport-diplomatic-incident-flights-affected-empty-planes-is-it-safe-a7843311.html
 
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Bahrain ease airspace restrictions on Qatar

Mon Aug 07, 2017 8:27 am

Bahrain is the first country that relaxes airspace restrictions on Qatar:

“While the first ease of Bahrain FIR airspace to Qatar is effective tomorrow, more airspace is scheduled to open effective August 17,” a tweet from noted aviation analyst Alex Macheras said.


Article
http://www.qatarscoop.com/qatar/airspac ... ing-today/
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Re: Bahrain, Egypt and KSA closed their airspace for Qatar

Mon Aug 07, 2017 11:31 am

Bahrain to ease airspace restriction on Qatar starting from tomorrow.
 
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Re: Bahrain, Egypt and KSA closed their airspace for Qatar

Wed Aug 09, 2017 3:15 am

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/th ... story.html

We can add the United Arab Emirates to that list as well.
 
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Re: Bahrain, Egypt and KSA closed their airspace for Qatar

Wed Aug 09, 2017 11:15 am

Found some bits of news claiming Egypt eased the airspace restrictions on Qatar. This means only Saudi Arabia is left?
 
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Re: Bahrain, Egypt and KSA closed their airspace for Qatar

Wed Aug 09, 2017 12:40 pm

Till now, not a single Qatari plane is crossing any of the 4 countries airspace.
 
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Re: Bahrain, Egypt and KSA closed their airspace for Qatar

Wed Aug 09, 2017 1:07 pm

Official statement was released from Saudi, Bahrain, and UAE civil aviation authorities said that they didn't open their airspace and no Qatar registration aircraft entered or allowed to enter their airspace.. UAE only said they allow Qatari airplanes to use the international airspace which they manages.
Doesn't look like things are easing soon.
 
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Re: Bahrain, Egypt and KSA closed their airspace for Qatar

Wed Aug 09, 2017 3:37 pm

To comply with ICAO ruling, both Bahrain and UAE jointly published new routes in/out of Doha.

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They also issued Notam formally opening their airspace to Qatar aircraft.

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Re: Bahrain, Egypt and KSA closed their airspace for Qatar

Mon Aug 14, 2017 8:26 pm

The first Qatari registered aircraft is crossing UAE airspace.
QR: 1137. MCT-DOH
 
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Re: Bahrain, Egypt and KSA closed their airspace for Qatar

Wed Nov 01, 2017 8:01 pm

Anything new? It's been 2 months since last post and I haven't seen or heard anything new in the news or on this site.
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Re: Bahrain, Egypt and KSA closed their airspace for Qatar

Thu Nov 02, 2017 1:52 am

AAlaxfan wrote:
Anything new? It's been 2 months since last post and I haven't seen or heard anything new in the news or on this site.


Nothing new. except that few Qatari aircraft are entering the UAE airspace.
 
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Re: Bahrain, Egypt and KSA closed their airspace for Qatar

Tue Nov 07, 2017 9:52 am

Little update.

Al Baker today revealed the net result of the blockade: 11% network gone and 20% revenue vanished.

Akbar: @qatarairways lost 11% of network, 20% of revenue due to political crisis. Are replacing 20 destinations lost w new ones #CAPASummit


Akbar: @qatarairways expects loss this year but is robust, will persevere and expand. Will ensure bullying tacits won't succeed #CAPASummit


Akbar doesn't know when blockade will end but @qatarairways continue to expand and taking more aircraft. #CAPASummit


https://twitter.com/CAPA_Aviation/
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Re: Bahrain, Egypt and KSA closed their airspace for Qatar

Mon Nov 13, 2017 12:22 am

Moroccan monarch King Mohammed VI just landed in Doha on board his latest B747-8 gifted to him by the ruler of the UAE. He spent the last 5 days in the UAE where he attended the grand opening of the Louvre museum Abu Dhabi. Is this the first flight operating between the UAE and Qatar since the embargo?

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_aAaZqOlFu4
 
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Re: Bahrain, Egypt and KSA closed their airspace for Qatar

Mon Nov 13, 2017 12:29 am

KarelXWB wrote:
Little update.

Al Baker today revealed the net result of the blockade: 11% network gone and 20% revenue vanished.

Akbar: @qatarairways lost 11% of network, 20% of revenue due to political crisis. Are replacing 20 destinations lost w new ones #CAPASummit


Akbar: @qatarairways expects loss this year but is robust, will persevere and expand. Will ensure bullying tacits won't succeed #CAPASummit


Akbar doesn't know when blockade will end but @qatarairways continue to expand and taking more aircraft. #CAPASummit


https://twitter.com/CAPA_Aviation/


It's not a blockade.
 
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Re: Bahrain, Egypt and KSA closed their airspace for Qatar

Mon Nov 13, 2017 12:33 am

Avionics09 wrote:
Moroccan monarch King Mohammed VI just landed in Doha on board his latest B747-8 gifted to him by the ruler of the UAE. He spent the last 5 days in the UAE where he attended the grand opening of the Louvre museum Abu Dhabi. Is this the first flight operating between the UAE and Qatar since the embargo?

Image

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_aAaZqOlFu4


Small point, it is a 747-400 that the Moroccan government purchased from the UAE.
 
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Re: Bahrain, Egypt and KSA closed their airspace for Qatar

Mon Nov 13, 2017 12:42 am

sxf24 wrote:
Avionics09 wrote:
Moroccan monarch King Mohammed VI just landed in Doha on board his latest B747-8 gifted to him by the ruler of the UAE. He spent the last 5 days in the UAE where he attended the grand opening of the Louvre museum Abu Dhabi. Is this the first flight operating between the UAE and Qatar since the embargo?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_aAaZqOlFu4


Small point, it is a 747-400 that the Moroccan government purchased from the UAE.


Smaller point, It in fact is a B747-8 ( simply look at the pic I posted) ;)

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This aircraft ex- A6-UAE came to replace the former B744 CN-MBH (Mohammed Ben Hassan= Mohammed son of Hassan II) also gifted by the UAE now registered CN-TSD.
 
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Re: Bahrain, Egypt and KSA closed their airspace for Qatar

Mon Nov 13, 2017 3:34 am

Avionics09 wrote:
sxf24 wrote:
Avionics09 wrote:
Moroccan monarch King Mohammed VI just landed in Doha on board his latest B747-8 gifted to him by the ruler of the UAE. He spent the last 5 days in the UAE where he attended the grand opening of the Louvre museum Abu Dhabi. Is this the first flight operating between the UAE and Qatar since the embargo?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_aAaZqOlFu4


Small point, it is a 747-400 that the Moroccan government purchased from the UAE.


Smaller point, It in fact is a B747-8 ( simply look at the pic I posted) ;)

Image

This aircraft ex- A6-UAE came to replace the former B744 CN-MBH (Mohammed Ben Hassan= Mohammed son of Hassan II) also gifted by the UAE now registered CN-TSD.


CN-MBH is not a 747-8.
 
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Re: Bahrain, Egypt and KSA closed their airspace for Qatar

Mon Nov 13, 2017 3:48 am

sxf24 wrote:
Avionics09 wrote:
sxf24 wrote:

Small point, it is a 747-400 that the Moroccan government purchased from the UAE.


Smaller point, It in fact is a B747-8 ( simply look at the pic I posted) ;)

Image

This aircraft ex- A6-UAE came to replace the former B744 CN-MBH (Mohammed Ben Hassan= Mohammed son of Hassan II) also gifted by the UAE now registered CN-TSD.


CN-MBH is not a 747-8.


It is now. The 747-400 has been registered CN-TSD, and the 747-8i has taken up CN-MBH.
 
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Re: Bahrain, Egypt and KSA closed their airspace for Qatar

Mon Nov 13, 2017 9:16 am

sxf24 wrote:
Avionics09 wrote:
sxf24 wrote:

Small point, it is a 747-400 that the Moroccan government purchased from the UAE.


Smaller point, It in fact is a B747-8 ( simply look at the pic I posted) ;)

Image

This aircraft ex- A6-UAE came to replace the former B744 CN-MBH (Mohammed Ben Hassan= Mohammed son of Hassan II) also gifted by the UAE now registered CN-TSD.


CN-MBH is not a 747-8.


Dude hard headed much?! Did you even bother to look on the aircraft info on the pic I posted or you just go by your confidently lack of knowledge? On the pic it clearly says B747-8BBJ. Go on flightradar24 or planespotters.net and search for CN-MBH. Maybe it's hard to swallow that Morocco has an B747-8 ?

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