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When will Etihad Upgrade EDI to 787?

Wed May 10, 2017 10:45 pm

Hello,

EY seminally enjoy successful service to Edinburgh for almost 2 years now, coupled with premium heavy traffic on the route (with the small J cabin on the EY A330) and rumours that the A330 will leave the fleet at some point in the not to distant future would add up to hopefully an upgrade to the 787 as more join the fleet.

Apples and Pears a bit, but when EK started GLA & NCL this was on the tired A330 and was upgraded to the 777 after a few years.

QR currently fly the 787 daily from Doha, the A330 doesn't seem to be such a great fit. So, do we foresee a EY 787 at Edinburgh any time soon?

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Re: When will Etihad Upgrade EDI to 878?

Thu May 11, 2017 12:25 am

sandyb123 wrote:
When will Etihad Upgrade EDI to 878?


Boeing 878? Perhaps in the year 2525, if man is still alive.
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Re: When will Etihad Upgrade EDI to 878?

Thu May 11, 2017 3:12 am

Having flown EY 330s and 777s frequently, I go out of my way to fly the 330 for reasons of comfort. By all accounts, 9- across 787 is a step down from the 777, so in your shoes, Sandy, I would pray for the 330 for as long as possible.

I flew BRU to Manila last week, first flight to AUH was on an A330, very comfortable, even in my Y seat - I had a window seat and an empty seat next to me. AuH to MNL on the 777. I was very happy to receive at the gate a ticket change, upgrading me to business. Now that was one agreeable flight!
 
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Re: When will Etihad Upgrade EDI to 787?

Thu May 11, 2017 9:10 am

Not sure how people can perceive a 9-across 787 to be an upgrade from an A330... still....
 
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Re: When will Etihad Upgrade EDI to 787?

Thu May 11, 2017 10:19 am

Sorry what's the issue with the A330? You say it doesn't seem to be a great fit? I think it's perfect IMHO.
 
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Re: When will Etihad Upgrade EDI to 787?

Thu May 11, 2017 3:44 pm

skipness1E wrote:
Sorry what's the issue with the A330? You say it doesn't seem to be a great fit? I think it's perfect IMHO.


Because EDI carries a lot of premium traffic and the A330's have 22 J seats vs the 2-class 787 which has 25. Small change but = extra revenue. Or maybe they could fly the three class as EK seems to get some uplift in F from GLA and EDI is a wealthier catchment.

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Re: When will Etihad Upgrade EDI to 787?

Thu May 11, 2017 4:27 pm

I would prefer the A332 on the route over the 787 although EY's 787s are great they are still 787s with less space than a 2-4-2 A330.

The upgrade in the future may be to an A350 or a 777 but we are a while away from that. The loads are very good in the high season but dwindle a bit in the low season - the service also remains at 5 per week at the moment outside July / August so we need to get to daily year round first. I could see a bigger aircraft operating easily in the high season though before returning to the A330 outside of this.

For a new service its done well though given the strong competition from the many other hub services at EDI. I've used them twice now heading east and I love both their product and their service.

I don't think we should compare it to EK at GLA either as they had less competition there than EY and QR do at EDI when they started so in a sense the growth they experienced was inevitable.
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Re: When will Etihad Upgrade EDI to 787?

Thu May 11, 2017 4:29 pm

As you said it yourself, probably when they get enough 787s.
But judging by the fact that 2, or at least 1 A332 recieved the new livery, they might stick around for some time, unlike the A333s which are not due to get the latest scheme.
If they were in such a hurry to bring in the 787 to EDI, I think they would have done it by now.
The 2-class 787s started/will start operating to Amman, Beirut, Beijing, Shanghai and Seoul this year.
They would have probably sent the one due to AMM or BEY to EDI.
 
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Re: When will Etihad Upgrade EDI to 787?

Thu May 11, 2017 4:30 pm

MoonC wrote:
As you said it yourself, probably when they get enough 787s.
But judging by the fact that 2, or at least 1 A332 recieved the new livery, they might stick around for some time, unlike the A333s which are not due to get the latest scheme.
If they were in such a hurry to bring in the 787 to EDI, I think they would have done it by now.
The 2-class 787s started/will start operating to Amman, Beirut, Beijing, Shanghai and Seoul this year.
They would have probably sent the one due to AMM or BEY to EDI.


The A332s will be around for a while at EY - they are not that old.
 
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Re: When will Etihad Upgrade EDI to 787?

Thu May 11, 2017 4:41 pm

Where are the figures showing 'high premium traffic' ? Their prices appear at the lower end of similar offerings.
Dont EY vary frequency and dont always support full daily service year round?
Outwith EY are QR still only getting around 2/3 loads ?
 
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Re: When will Etihad Upgrade EDI to 787?

Thu May 11, 2017 5:13 pm

by738 wrote:
Where are the figures showing 'high premium traffic' ? Their prices appear at the lower end of similar offerings.
Dont EY vary frequency and dont always support full daily service year round?
Outwith EY are QR still only getting around 2/3 loads ?


Thought you might be along soon to provide the counter-argument. Here are the loads since both QR and EY started their EDI services although they tell as nothing about yield. It has been mentioned on other forums that the premium demand is high - its just a case of growing Y demand outwith the high seasons. Both have more or less consistently shown year on year growth each month which is all you can ask.

    Month --- QR --- EY
    Mar-17 --- 66% --- 81%
    Feb-17 --- 62% --- 82%
    Jan-17 --- 73% --- 87%
    Dec-16 --- 76% --- 86%
    Nov-16 --- 63% --- 81%
    Oct-16 --- 81% --- 80%
    Sep-16 --- 77% --- 78%
    Aug-16 --- 88% --- 89%
    Jul-16 --- 91% --- 86%
    Jun-16 --- 67% --- 68%
    May-16 --- 53% --- 54%
    Apr-16 --- 64% --- 76%
    Mar-16 --- 68% --- 76%
    Feb-16 --- 61% --- 76%
    Jan-16 --- 73% --- 80%
    Dec-15 --- 74% --- 82%
    Nov-15 --- 53% --- 72%
    Oct-15 --- 67% --- 75%
    Sep-15 --- 69% --- 72%
    Aug-15 --- 82% --- 82%
    Jul-15 --- 81% --- 81%
    Jun-15 --- 63% --- 53%
    May-15 --- 54% --- n/a
    Apr-15 --- 77% --- n/a
    Mar-15 --- 67% --- n/a
    Feb-15 --- 68% --- n/a
    Jan-15 --- 75% --- n/a
    Dec-14 --- 77% --- n/a
    Nov-14 --- 52% --- n/a
    Oct-14 --- 68% --- n/a
    Sep-14 --- 72% --- n/a
    Aug-14 --- 83% --- n/a
    Jul-14 --- 75% --- n/a
    Jun-14 --- 60% --- n/a
    May-14 --- 53% --- n/a
 
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Re: When will Etihad Upgrade EDI to 787?

Fri May 19, 2017 3:42 pm

As a matter of interest, would anybody know/hypothesis why loads drop to the low 50's in May?
 
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Re: When will Etihad Upgrade EDI to 787?

Fri May 19, 2017 5:13 pm

Breathe

Multiple factors in respect of flying East from the UK such as Ramadan usually affects May & June and it is also rainy season in some of the popular destinations from the UK. All UK airports are usually affected, Emirates have cancelled one BHX flight until July although it only comes back this time until 31/8, Manchester and Gatwick have seen 77W's on A388 flights. The CAA figures show this trend year on year so no surprises.

It is usually a good time to go to visit Dubai, Abu Dhabi or Doha for a holiday late May if that is your cup of tea as fares are usually very reasonable. I came back on EK37to BHX ten years ago , which was an A332 at the time (great flight) and it was like a UK charter flight when you looked at the passenger mix.

On the EDI aircraft subject you would think a daily A330 would be the next step, as the figures above show they have taken a time to build.
 
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Re: When will Etihad Upgrade EDI to 787?

Fri May 19, 2017 8:05 pm

sandyb123 wrote:
skipness1E wrote:
Sorry what's the issue with the A330? You say it doesn't seem to be a great fit? I think it's perfect IMHO.


Because EDI carries a lot of premium traffic and the A330's have 22 J seats vs the 2-class 787 which has 25. Small change but = extra revenue. Or maybe they could fly the three class as EK seems to get some uplift in F from GLA and EDI is a wealthier catchment.

Sandyb123


It's 28 seats in J for both 2 & 3 class 787, plus an additional 31 seats in Y. It's a slight capacity increase which the route currently does not need from the below LF. Another EU destination will soon get the 2 class 787 on a year round basis.

hibtastic wrote:
by738 wrote:
Where are the figures showing 'high premium traffic' ? Their prices appear at the lower end of similar offerings.
Dont EY vary frequency and dont always support full daily service year round?
Outwith EY are QR still only getting around 2/3 loads ?


Thought you might be along soon to provide the counter-argument. Here are the loads since both QR and EY started their EDI services although they tell as nothing about yield. It has been mentioned on other forums that the premium demand is high - its just a case of growing Y demand outwith the high seasons. Both have more or less consistently shown year on year growth each month which is all you can ask.

    Month --- QR --- EY
    Mar-17 --- 66% --- 81%
    Feb-17 --- 62% --- 82%
    Jan-17 --- 73% --- 87%
    Dec-16 --- 76% --- 86%
    Nov-16 --- 63% --- 81%
    Oct-16 --- 81% --- 80%
    Sep-16 --- 77% --- 78%
    Aug-16 --- 88% --- 89%
    Jul-16 --- 91% --- 86%
    Jun-16 --- 67% --- 68%
    May-16 --- 53% --- 54%
    Apr-16 --- 64% --- 76%
    Mar-16 --- 68% --- 76%
    Feb-16 --- 61% --- 76%
    Jan-16 --- 73% --- 80%
    Dec-15 --- 74% --- 82%
    Nov-15 --- 53% --- 72%
    Oct-15 --- 67% --- 75%
    Sep-15 --- 69% --- 72%
    Aug-15 --- 82% --- 82%
    Jul-15 --- 81% --- 81%
    Jun-15 --- 63% --- 53%
    May-15 --- 54% --- n/a
    Apr-15 --- 77% --- n/a
    Mar-15 --- 67% --- n/a
    Feb-15 --- 68% --- n/a
    Jan-15 --- 75% --- n/a
    Dec-14 --- 77% --- n/a
    Nov-14 --- 52% --- n/a
    Oct-14 --- 68% --- n/a
    Sep-14 --- 72% --- n/a
    Aug-14 --- 83% --- n/a
    Jul-14 --- 75% --- n/a
    Jun-14 --- 60% --- n/a
    May-14 --- 53% --- n/a
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Re: When will Etihad Upgrade EDI to 787?

Fri May 19, 2017 10:58 pm

hibtastic wrote:
Thought you might be along soon to provide the counter-argumenent

[list] Month --- QR --- EY
Feb-17 --- 62% --- 82%
Feb-16 --- 61% --- 76%
Feb-15 --- 68%


You betcha Saltire. Statistically analysing those monthly figures is more of a plataeu for QR than year on year growth.
High premium seat use 'on other forums' is useful to some Im sure.
 
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Re: When will Etihad Upgrade EDI to 787?

Wed May 24, 2017 2:18 pm

by738 wrote:
hibtastic wrote:
Thought you might be along soon to provide the counter-argumenent

[list] Month --- QR --- EY
Feb-17 --- 62% --- 82%
Feb-16 --- 61% --- 76%
Feb-15 --- 68%


You betcha Saltire. Statistically analysing those monthly figures is more of a plataeu for QR than year on year growth.
High premium seat use 'on other forums' is useful to some Im sure.


I guess you are forgetting that QR was originally 5 weekly and is now daily so its nothing like a plateau i am afraid. Strong growth in April too - 22% growth for QR and 12% for EY (LFs of 77% and 85% respectively). Again this reflects growth:

Month --- QR --- EY
April 17 --- 77% --- 85% (QR daily, EY 5x per week);
April 16 --- 64% --- 76% (QR daily, EY daily);
April 15 --- 77% --- n/a (QR 5x per week, EY not started).

Also just twigged why you referred to me as Saltire. I can assure you that poster on PPRUNE (where I do not post) is not me although I did use his / her information on load factors for this post. I post as hibtastic on all forums.

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