2017 European Short Haul Heavies

skipness1E · Wed Apr 26, 2017 3:22 pm

Hi all,

Anyone able to add to the current list of heavies flying scheduled intra European schedules?

Aer Lingus DUB-AGP
Aeroflot SVO-LHR
BA LHR-MAD
Finnair HEL-LHR
Iberia MAD-LHR
LATAM MAD-FRA

Enjoyed a Singapore Airlines MAN-MUC trip last summer, wondering what other options are out there?
Understand both Korean Air and Ethiopian Airlines enjoy 5th Freedom intra European routes?

Thank!

Luisvalero · Wed Apr 26, 2017 3:27 pm

Turkish Airlines: LHR-IST, has a couple of 77W Per day. TK flies frequently widebodies to many destinations in Europe
Aeroflot: LHR-SVO, some 333 Daily
British Airways, in the past, flew it's 763 to ARN, FCO, ATH, and IST
Air China: VIE-BCN, MUC-ATH, and a few more

lesfalls · Wed Apr 26, 2017 3:30 pm

MIAT TXL-SVO B767
Korean VIE-ZRH is winter seasonal I think(forgot the aircraft that they use for it)
WOW A330 KEF-AMS/CDG/LGW
Norwegian OSL-NCE/BCN/AGP with their B787-8/9
Ethopian with OSL-ARN and ARN-VIE on their B787. I have seen that they operate other tag on flights in Europe and i'm not sure wether they are purchasable. Anyone know by chance?

Bostrom · Wed Apr 26, 2017 3:37 pm

skipness1E wrote:
Hi all,

Anyone able to add to the current list of heavies flying scheduled intra European schedules?

Aer Lingus DUB-AGP
Aeroflot SVO-LHR
BA LHR-MAD
Finnair HEL-LHR
Iberia MAD-LHR
LATAM MAD-FRA

Enjoyed a Singapore Airlines MAN-MUC trip last summer, wondering what other options are out there?
Understand both Korean Air and Ethiopian Airlines enjoy 5th Freedom intra European routes?

They do, Ethiopian sell tickets ARN-OSL. And starting next month, Singapore Airlines will start flying SIN-ARN via Moscow.

Luisvalero wrote:
British Airways, in the past, flew it's 763 to ARN, FCO, ATH, and IST

They still do.

Norwegian will also use the 787 on some intra European routes this summer.

marky · Wed Apr 26, 2017 3:53 pm

Air France 787 CDG-LHR
TAP A330 LIS-LHR
Icelandair 767 KEF to LHR and others

What about the likes of Thomson/TUI and Thomas Cook/Condor? I know not all of their flights are scheduled though

Crispi · Wed Apr 26, 2017 4:04 pm

Hi,

Turkish: MAD/BCN- IST with A330
Air Europa: MAD-BCN with a mix of A330 and B787
Ethiopian: FCO-MAD-FCO with 787 ( but I don´t really know if you can buy tickets for this flight or is just for people coming and going to ADD)

There are also many holiday flights to the Canary Islands that are run by long-haul planes but mostly are charters.

berari · Wed Apr 26, 2017 4:18 pm

Ethiopian Airlines will have the following this summer:
- VIE-MXP
- ARN-OSL
- FCO-MAD
- MXP-BRU

These will primarily be on B788s, but may see B77Ls on occasion.

Dutchy · Wed Apr 26, 2017 4:20 pm

TUI will use Surinam Airways A340 to the Canary islands this summer season. Although the islands belong technically to the African continent. But since KEF is also located on the American plate. IST is located on the European plate (had to look that one up ;-)

).

marky wrote:
Air France 787 CDG-LHR

And CDG-Lyon :shock:

VCy · Wed Apr 26, 2017 4:27 pm

Emirates does LCA-MLA a few times a week on a 777.
LCA also sees BA's 767 and the occasional 777 from Austrian.

LAH1 · Wed Apr 26, 2017 4:30 pm

LHR - NCE BA 767

42martin42 · Wed Apr 26, 2017 4:37 pm

Iberia Madrid to Barcelona, A330
BA do quite a few flights on 767s out of Heathrow, places like Edinburgh and Istanbul

yoplait · Wed Apr 26, 2017 5:09 pm

skipness1E wrote:
Finnair HEL-LHR

Finnair also does HEL-BRU on their a350s afaik

pabloeing · Wed Apr 26, 2017 5:12 pm

¿BA458/459 will be always a B777...or change to B767 next year?

Breathe · Wed Apr 26, 2017 5:16 pm

BA sends a 767 on some LHR-EDI services.

Andy33 · Wed Apr 26, 2017 5:35 pm

There are seven remaining 767s at BA, dedicated to and configured for domestic and short-haul work and based at LHR. On the current fleet plan, they'll be gone after next summer, so enjoy them while you can. So far this week, they've been to: EDI, FCO, AMS, LCA, ZRH, ARN, MAD, ATH, FRA, with a visit to NCE at the weekend thrown in. They used to be regulars at IST as well, but only once this month so far.

hispanola · Wed Apr 26, 2017 5:37 pm

MT (Thomas Cook Airlines) flies 763s on many flights to Spain during the summer. Routes like MAN-LEI and MAN-PMI usually see some scheduled 763 service. They also fly into ACE and LPA.

HELyes · Wed Apr 26, 2017 5:52 pm

yoplait wrote:
skipness1E wrote:
Finnair HEL-LHR

Finnair also does HEL-BRU on their a350s afaik

No Finnair A350 to BRU anymore but they now have a daily A350 service to LHR, A330 has not been used anymore.

airbazar · Wed Apr 26, 2017 7:33 pm

marky wrote:
TAP A330 LIS-LHR

Today's TP442 LIS-ORY was also operated with an A332 but that appears to be more of a 1-off.
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/TAP4 ... /LPPT/LFPO

User001 · Wed Apr 26, 2017 7:51 pm

hispanola wrote:
MT (Thomas Cook Airlines) flies 763s on many flights to Spain during the summer. Routes like MAN-LEI and MAN-PMI usually see some scheduled 763 service. They also fly into ACE and LPA.

The Thomas Cook B767's are now gone, one has gone to Amazon Prime Air, and the other 2 to Condor.

However, still plenty of widebody action from MAN:

Jet2 will have an A330 to various points, notably Palma, Rhodes and Tenerife.

Thomson use a B787 for various short haul flights

Thomas Cook use the A330 for routes such as Antalya, Dalaman and Lanzarote.

Turkish often use the A330 on MAN-IST also.

silvanus · Wed Apr 26, 2017 7:58 pm

Swiss flies 77Ws from ZRH to PRG and VIE.

lesfalls · Wed Apr 26, 2017 8:07 pm

Neos will also be using their B767 in the summer from MXP to Rotstock.

hispanola · Wed Apr 26, 2017 8:26 pm

User001 wrote:
hispanola wrote:
MT (Thomas Cook Airlines) flies 763s on many flights to Spain during the summer. Routes like MAN-LEI and MAN-PMI usually see some scheduled 763 service. They also fly into ACE and LPA.

The Thomas Cook B767's are now gone, one has gone to Amazon Prime Air, and the other 2 to Condor.

Wow! I wasn't aware of that. Last summer I spent some time in LEI and saw the 767-300 landing a few times. They'll probably start sending A330s or 757s then.

theobcman · Wed Apr 26, 2017 8:41 pm

Thomson use B788 all over Europe out of LGW this summer. TFS/AGP/PMI/LCA/PFO and more.

theobcman · Wed Apr 26, 2017 9:03 pm

Anyone know if there is any sort of schedule for UX B787 MAD-BCN ? Or are they randomly one off's with only way of telling is to try dummy bookings ? Let alone the dreaded aircraft swap on the day !

theobcman · Wed Apr 26, 2017 9:05 pm

Thomas Cook were using A330 LGW-TFS last year but can't find any for this year yet.

LXwing · Thu Apr 27, 2017 11:37 am

airbazar wrote:
marky wrote:
TAP A330 LIS-LHR

Today's TP442 LIS-ORY was also operated with an A332 but that appears to be more of a 1-off.
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/TAP4 ... /LPPT/LFPO

TAP's operation with widebodies from LIS to European destinations is done mainly on an occasional basis, depending on the load factor.
LHR has seen most of the upgrades from A32X to A330/340, currently happening several times per week on one of the morning rotations (today on TP363/374). Besides this, ORY, ZRH and VIE are the other destinations also receiving such upgrades on a minor scale.
Last year TAP had A330 flights from LIS to VIE almost on a daily basis due to tour reservations, it is unknown if the same will happen this year or not.

stylo777 · Thu Apr 27, 2017 1:44 pm

OS did quite a lot of VIE-FRA rotations with 767/777 for crew training purposes. Don't know if this is still ongoing...

330lover · Thu Apr 27, 2017 1:56 pm

berari wrote:
Ethiopian Airlines will have the following this summer:
- VIE-MXP
- ARN-OSL
- FCO-MAD
- MXP-BRU

These will primarily be on B788s, but may see B77Ls on occasion.

They will fly ADD-VIE-BRU and v.v. + ADD-MCP-BRU v.v., but no traffic rights on the intra-EU legs, so you will not be able to fly only this stretch.

kimimm19 · Thu Apr 27, 2017 2:20 pm

silvanus wrote:
Swiss flies 77Ws from ZRH to PRG and VIE.

And GVA.

lesfalls · Thu Apr 27, 2017 2:32 pm

kimimm19 wrote:
silvanus wrote:
Swiss flies 77Ws from ZRH to PRG and VIE.

And GVA.

Still? Any chance you would know the schedule of them as I really wanted to book it but thought that they stopped operating it to GVA.

charles022 · Thu Apr 27, 2017 2:42 pm

The Thomas Cook B767's are now gone, one has gone to Amazon Prime Air, and the other 2 to Condor.

However, still plenty of widebody action from MAN:

Jet2 will have an A330 to various points, notably Palma, Rhodes and Tenerife.

Thomson use a B787 for various short haul flights

Thomas Cook use the A330 for routes such as Antalya, Dalaman and Lanzarote.

Turkish often use the A330 on MAN-IST also

There are no plans for TCX to use the A330 on short/medium haul this summer apart from STN and the occasional adhoc upgrade.

Best regards.

kimimm19 · Thu Apr 27, 2017 5:05 pm

lesfalls wrote:
kimimm19 wrote:
silvanus wrote:
Swiss flies 77Ws from ZRH to PRG and VIE.

And GVA.

Still? Any chance you would know the schedule of them as I really wanted to book it but thought that they stopped operating it to GVA.

Seems to be the morning rotation only:

ZRH 7:45 dep
GVA 8:45 arr

GVA 10:00 dep
ZRH 10:55 arr

77W

lesfalls · Thu Apr 27, 2017 7:58 pm

kimimm19 wrote:
lesfalls wrote:
kimimm19 wrote:

And GVA.

Still? Any chance you would know the schedule of them as I really wanted to book it but thought that they stopped operating it to GVA.

Seems to be the morning rotation only:

ZRH 7:45 dep
GVA 8:45 arr

GVA 10:00 dep
ZRH 10:55 arr

77W

Daily? Thanks for the info.

kimimm19 · Thu Apr 27, 2017 8:45 pm

lesfalls wrote:
kimimm19 wrote:
lesfalls wrote:
Still? Any chance you would know the schedule of them as I really wanted to book it but thought that they stopped operating it to GVA.

Seems to be the morning rotation only:

ZRH 7:45 dep
GVA 8:45 arr

GVA 10:00 dep
ZRH 10:55 arr

77W

Daily? Thanks for the info.

Appears to be! This is from flightaware, so I don't know in terms of how much longer they intend to do this, however if it's being deployed, I think it's to maximise the morning loads between longhauls!

MoonC · Thu Apr 27, 2017 9:11 pm

kimimm19 wrote:
lesfalls wrote:
kimimm19 wrote:

Seems to be the morning rotation only:

ZRH 7:45 dep
GVA 8:45 arr

GVA 10:00 dep
ZRH 10:55 arr

77W

Daily? Thanks for the info.

Appears to be! This is from flightaware, so I don't know in terms of how much longer they intend to do this, however if it's being deployed, I think it's to maximise the morning loads between longhauls!

It's between 3 and 4 weekly and will run until 31st of May only.
The same also goes for other shorthaul (ZRH-HAJ/PRG/VIE) 77W flights.

theobcman · Thu Apr 27, 2017 9:17 pm

charles022 wrote:
The Thomas Cook B767's are now gone, one has gone to Amazon Prime Air, and the other 2 to Condor.

However, still plenty of widebody action from MAN:

Jet2 will have an A330 to various points, notably Palma, Rhodes and Tenerife.

Thomson use a B787 for various short haul flights

Thomas Cook use the A330 for routes such as Antalya, Dalaman and Lanzarote.

Turkish often use the A330 on MAN-IST also

There are no plans for TCX to use the A330 on short/medium haul this summer apart from STN and the occasional adhoc upgrade.

Best regards.

Do you mean TCX will use A330 out of STN this summer ? To where ? Would like to get on one !

Cunard · Thu Apr 27, 2017 10:13 pm

TCX operate a limited amount of long haul flights from STN during peek school holiday periods to Cancun, Las Vegas and Orlando but they are not using their own aircraft to these destinations as TXC will be utilising a chartered Air Tanker Airbus 330 as was the case last summer.

I think this thread is about scheduled airlines using wide bodies throughout Europe rather than charter airlines like TCX and TUI as they regularly use wide bodies all over Europe where as it's rare in 2017 for the major European airlines to utilise wide bodies within Europe unlike 20 years ago when it was common practice as all the majors flew wide bodies to major euro destinations and this shouldn't include the likes of one offs or crew training flights.

As we know already

Aer Lingus
Aeroflot
Air Europa
British Airways
Finnair
Iberia
Icelandair
Swiss
TAP Air Portugal
Turkish

All these European scheduled airlines are using wide bodies on a daily scheduled basis within Europe.

The others such as Ethiopian, Korean etc just have 5th freedom rights and are an extension to their origional flight.

theobcman · Thu Apr 27, 2017 10:38 pm

This is kind of a hobby for me. Not all scheduled. My list so far (started a while a go) :
LHR-ATH OA A343
LHR-CDG AF A388
LGW-AGP ZB A306
LGW-AMS GA 77W
MAD-FRA LA 788 J
AGP-HEL AY A359 J
ZRH-LHR LX 77W J
LHR-HEL AY A333
MAD-LHR IB A346
BCN-MAD UX A332

Booked :
LHR-MAD BA 772 J
MAD-FRA LA 789 J
DUB-AGP EI A333 J
LGW-TFS TOM B788

omskavia · Fri Apr 28, 2017 9:27 am

Singapore Airlines Moscow DME - Stockholm Arlanda A359

oldannyboy · Fri Apr 28, 2017 11:29 am

The EK Malta-Larnaca is a fantastic opportunity to combine a visit to two lovely isnalds, plus the flight is long enough to sample and enjoy EK service.

Someone83 · Fri Apr 28, 2017 11:53 am

Thomas Cook Scandinavia (DK) has 3 A330-300s that during the Summer, more or less shuttles between Scandinavia (mainly CPH, ARN, OSL) and the Mediterranean/Canary Island.

At least from OSL, during the high Summer season (Jun-Aug) they have about 10x weekly flights with the A330 places in Greece, Cyprus, Bulgaria and Spain

theobcman · Fri Apr 28, 2017 2:43 pm

Azores A330 / A310 will be another one between PDL-LIS.

theobcman · Fri Apr 28, 2017 2:44 pm

Anyone know if there is any sort of schedule for UX B787 MAD-BCN ? Or are they randomly one off's with only way of telling is to try dummy bookings ? Let alone the dreaded aircraft swap on the day !

bx737 · Fri Apr 28, 2017 2:52 pm

Aer Lingus are also planning to operate the A330 on DUB-FAO three times a week

n729pa · Fri Apr 28, 2017 4:44 pm

theobcman wrote:
Anyone know if there is any sort of schedule for UX B787 MAD-BCN ? Or are they randomly one off's with only way of telling is to try dummy bookings ? Let alone the dreaded aircraft swap on the day !

I think this has stopped now, it was only for 2-3 weeks in March/April and that it's returned to an A330 twice daily now. That is not to say it might start again, I was looking at that myself, I would suggest you keep an eye on the schedules on their website.

BA 763 turn up on several routes, if you check the BA Source website this is probably most up to date with regards to the movements. But certainly MAD (1st and last flight), FCO, ATH, AMS (am flight), STO (last flight back from STO), FRA (1st flight), EDI ...second flight in the AM used to be.

OS 767/777 seem to be FRA-VIE ...generally on a Monday and Wednesday

BA 767 LHR-MAD-LHR, LHR-EDI-LHR, STO-LHR, FRA-LHR
BA77W LHR-MAD (got a MAD-LHR to come later)
AF A380 LHR-CDG
AF B789 LHR-CDG
LX B77W ZRH-HAJ-ZRH
IB A330 MAD-LHR
IB A340 MAD-LHR
LA B789 MAD-FRA
AY A350 HEL-LHR
(years ago OA A300 LHR-ATH-LHR)

kick myself for missing the BA 788 LHR-STO, GA 77W LGW-AMS and SQ 77W MUC-MAN now ...oh well can't be helped!

AirbusA343 · Fri Apr 28, 2017 4:47 pm

The following are TK operations to Europe from IST
FRA (A330)
TXL (A330)
AMS (A330)
LHR (77W/A330)
CDG (A330)
MAD (A330)
BCN (A330)
DUS (A330)
I may have left out one or two. TK also used to fly to places such as Milan, Vienna and Zurich and other Central European country with an occasional A330.

n729pa · Sat Apr 29, 2017 5:24 am

There's also a thread on here about SAS selling two slots at LHR and a link to article where they are saying they're not reducing capacity but that they will use larger aircraft so presumably this means SAS are looking to use what A330/A340s into LHR? Does anyone know anymore on this?

Andy33 · Sat Apr 29, 2017 5:29 am

n729pa wrote:
There's also a thread on here about SAS selling two slots at LHR and a link to article where they are saying they're not reducing capacity but that they will use larger aircraft so presumably this means SAS are looking to use what A330/A340s into LHR? Does anyone know anymore on this?

There's a separate thread on this subject, but the short answer is that the slots have been sold to AA, but for this summer at least, and probably longer, they will be leased back to SAS, so no change in summer 2017.

flyguy89 · Sat Apr 29, 2017 7:28 am

Wasn't BA flying 747s on LHR-SVO not too long ago?

...might be making it up, but I seem to recall it.

Andy33 · Sat Apr 29, 2017 7:42 am

LHR-DME, but yes. The LON-MOW routes are not what they were, traffic is way down on what it was. BA have two flights on a "mid-haul" A321 and one on a 772 now. Transaero has gone out of business, and EasyJet has abandoned their LGW route. Just BA and SU now.

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