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Aircraft Values, And Lease Pricing - Spring 2017

Thu Apr 20, 2017 3:59 pm

Back by request, here is an update on commercial aircraft valuations and market lease rates.

As before, the below list contains estimated current market value (in USD) based on the oldest to newest airframes, along with sample monthly lease rates based also based on oldest to newest airframes for many common models.

Pax
A319 – $6.5 - 35.7M, $70-260,000
A320 – $1.8 - 43.1M, $40-335,000
A321 – $14.7 - 50.2M, $165-390,000
A330-200 – $23.1 - 85.0M, $255-725,000
A330-300 - $14.2 - 100.1M, $210-850,000
A350-900 - $136.1 - 153.0M, $850-1,050,000
A380-800 - $112.8 - 240.5M, $900-1,900,000
B737-700 - $10.0 - 35.8M, $125-245,000
B737-800 - $13.4 - 45.1M, $170-350,000
B737-900ER - $25.4 - 46.0, $265-365,000
B747-400 – $3.5 – 8.9M, $90-175,000
B747-8i - $109.0 - 150.1, $800,000-1,100,000
B757-200 – $2.6 – 14.1M, $55-200,000
B767-300ER – $5.1 – 42.1M, $95-365,000
B777-200ER – $10.1 – 36.4M, $195-395,000
B777-300ER – $55.3 – 161.8M, $550-1,200,000
B787-8 - $79.6 - 117.9M, $635-875,000
B787-9 - $113.7 - 147.1, $800-1,000,000
CRJ200 – $1.5 - 3.1M, $40-55,000
CRJ700 – $7.5 – 17.7M, $90-200,000
CRJ900 - $8.9 – 24.6M, $130-230,000
Q400 – $7.0 – 20.8M, $95-195,000
ERJ145 – $1.3 – 3.4M, $40-55,000
EMB175 – $13.4 – 30.0M, $120-250,000
EMB190 – $14.4 – 35.1M, $160-295,000
ATR-72 – $4.7 – 20.1M, $60-180,000

Freighter
A330F – $60.4 - 94.9M, $525-750,000
B744F – $21.9 - 48.8M, $235-445,000
B748F – $112.5 - 181.0M, $850-1,350,000
B763F – $18.2 - 65.0M, $240-580,000
B777F – $89.9 - 161.1M, $750-1,150.000
MD11F - $4.7 - 8.1M, $105,000-$155,000


The information is derived from actual transactions along with market valuations and is current as of February 2017.

Sources: IBA/ISTAT
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Thank you for such regular updates!
 
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Interesting how much more valuable the freighters are than their passenger counterparts.
 
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LAXintl wrote:
Back by request, here is an update on commercial aircraft valuations and market lease rates.



Thank you. Awesome!
 
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Fri Apr 21, 2017 1:19 am

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Interesting how much more valuable the freighters are than their passenger counterparts.


They're not.

Keep in mind most of the freighters listed have a lower age and spec spread.

There is a negligible difference in the value and lease cost of a similar spec 77F and 77W for example.

On another note, it's worth pointing out the huge tumble in 772ER values. They're getting cheap.
 
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I assume there were very few A340 transactions, right?
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Fri Apr 21, 2017 9:49 am

LAXintl wrote:
Back by request, here is an update on commercial aircraft valuations and market lease rates.

As before, the below list contains estimated current market value (in USD) based on the oldest to newest airframes, along with sample monthly lease rates based also based on oldest to newest airframes for many common models.

Pax
A319 – $6.5 - 35.7M, $70-260,000
A320 – $1.8 - 43.1M, $40-335,000
A321 – $14.7 - 50.2M, $165-390,000
A330-200 – $23.1 - 85.0M, $255-725,000
A330-300 - $14.2 - 100.1M, $210-850,000
A350-900 - $136.1 - 153.0M, $850-1,050,000
A380-800 - $112.8 - 240.5M, $900-1,900,000
B737-700 - $10.0 - 35.8M, $125-245,000
B737-800 - $13.4 - 45.1M, $170-350,000
B737-900ER - $25.4 - 46.0, $265-365,000
B747-400 – $3.5 – 8.9M, $90-175,000
B747-8i - $109.0 - 150.1, $800,000-1,100,000
B757-200 – $2.6 – 14.1M, $55-200,000
B767-300ER – $5.1 – 42.1M, $95-365,000
B777-200ER – $10.1 – 36.4M, $195-395,000
B777-300ER – $55.3 – 161.8M, $550-1,200,000
B787-8 - $79.6 - 117.9M, $635-875,000
B787-9 - $113.7 - 147.1, $800-1,000,000
CRJ200 – $1.5 - 3.1M, $40-55,000
CRJ700 – $7.5 – 17.7M, $90-200,000
CRJ900 - $8.9 – 24.6M, $130-230,000
Q400 – $7.0 – 20.8M, $95-195,000
ERJ145 – $1.3 – 3.4M, $40-55,000
EMB175 – $13.4 – 30.0M, $120-250,000
EMB190 – $14.4 – 35.1M, $160-295,000
ATR-72 – $4.7 – 20.1M, $60-180,000

Freighter
A330F – $60.4 - 94.9M, $525-750,000
B744F – $21.9 - 48.8M, $235-445,000
B748F – $112.5 - 181.0M, $850-1,350,000
B763F – $18.2 - 65.0M, $240-580,000
B777F – $89.9 - 161.1M, $750-1,150.000
MD11F - $4.7 - 8.1M, $105,000-$155,000


The information is derived from actual transactions along with market valuations and is current as of February 2017.

Sources: IBA/ISTAT


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Boeing 747-8i prices are becoming laughable and shows why nobody wants to finance new 747 passenger aircraft.
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Boeing 747-8i price is becoming laughable and shows why nobody wants to finance new 747 passenger aircraft.

Take a look at a 380!!
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Take a look at a 380!!


A380 prices are still holding strong and have even risen, $240 million is a new high.
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Fri Apr 21, 2017 2:29 pm

Thanks for posting blue book values. One thing worth noting is how widebody prices are dropping. In 2015 the cheapest 777-300ER was in the 70s. Now it is in the 50s. More 777-200ERs and A330-300s are approaching scrap value.

It is also interesting how close the A350-900 is to the 777-300ER for top values. With low oil prices I can see why airlines might want to defer expensive 787 and A350 orders.

Narrowbody pricing seems healthy. 737-700 and A319 are close to parity. The 737-800s are worth a little more than A320s and A321s similarly are worth more than 737-900ERs.

One challenge for Boeing is that the recently started a freighter conversion program yet the cheapest 737-800s are still over 13 million. You can find a 767-300ER for that price, which is probably why the 767 freighter conversion market is hot right now.
 
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I assume there were very few A340 transactions, right?


There have been some, I just don't post every potential airframe.

A340-300 - $2.4 - 12.1M, $90-175,000
A340-600 - $10.7 - 16.8M, $200-280,000
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Sun Apr 23, 2017 11:09 am

Well, now you can buy 77E with as little money as A320 or B738. I wonder will any airlines trying to spread its wings take this offer. It's interesting to see that A330 has stronger market potential than 77E or 744/748.
Thank you for posting this data, it's always interesting.
By the way, do you have any idea about the price of bizjets?
 
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No, don't really have anything for Bizjet or GA aircraft.
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Mon Apr 24, 2017 5:50 am

Do you have any info about the 737-600? I know SK recently have gotten rid of quite a few of them and have also purchased one off lease.

Thanks for creating these threads! Always enjoy them:-)
 
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what's the age of the newest A380 being transcated?
 
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Do you have any info about the 737-600?


B737-600 - $7.1 - 13.2M, $85-140,000

c933103 wrote:
what's the age of the newest A380 being transcated?


Virtually brand new out of factory. There have been sale/lease back transactions, plus carriers like EK are taking leased frames as recent as December 2016.
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That 747-400 (as a static display) sure is within striking distance if I can find a cheap place to park it.
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How about DC-9, MD-80, MD-90, and 717?
 
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Tue Apr 25, 2017 8:19 pm

I would take some of the values with a grain of salt, especially the higher-end wide body values. There are 6yo A330-300 for sale with a price tag of less than 40mil, and/or lease rates below 400k USD. I suppose it is not much different for the 77W. This puts a lot of pressure on the whole wide body market, especially new sales.

A321neo and 737MAX will be doing missions shortly that used to be widebody territory (and the very odd 757).

I am digressing slightly, but I would not be surprised if we see some wide body cancellations within the next year or so and see (further) 787/330/777 rate cuts.
Airbus and Boeing will have a very hard time selling A330neo's and 777X's in the next couple of years.
 
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......but the fundamentals for buying planes still exist. Does the aircraft suit an airlines route network, how much investment in spare parts will be required, has the airline already committed to another aircraft type, how well would such an aircraft fit with the airlines long term strategy, how does the purchase affect the long-term replacement cycle?
 
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B717 - $6.7 - 10.4M, $115-133,000
MD-82 - $0.5 - 1.4M, $25-39,000
MD-90 - $2.7 - 3.7M, $65-75,000
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I look forward to this thread more than any other.

Thank you for posting!

benbeny wrote:
Well, now you can buy 77E with as little money as A320 or B738. I wonder will any airlines trying to spread its wings take this offer. It's interesting to see that A330 has stronger market potential than 77E or 744/748.
Thank you for posting this data, it's always interesting.
By the way, do you have any idea about the price of bizjets?


The drop in value for all widebodies is getting steaper. It is no surprise the 77E and A330 feel the pressure now that growth has slowed and the quantity if 787s and A359s grow.

After the NEO and MAx are out in quantity, in particular after the first major PIPs, more widebody missions will down gauge.

It will get interesting once we can differentiate NEO/MAX from CEO/NG.

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Wed Apr 26, 2017 1:03 am

Of note are B763F lease prices since the program is getting a new lease on life as a freighter in a sweet spot. Amazon must really what is buoying that, even though only a few of the planes for Amazon Prime Air will be under operating lease with their operators...most are being purchased from lessors.

As for the B717 and MD90...doesn't Delta own or will soon own all the flying examples? The 717 is for anyone who doesn't want or can't get an Embraer 195.
 
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Do these listed lease amounts account for things like various maintenance accruals (aircraft/engine/landing gear)?
 
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Very interesting. Thanks for the great info.
Surprising to see that you can get like ten MD-11F for the price of one A330F.
 
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Do these listed lease amounts account for things like various maintenance accruals (aircraft/engine/landing gear)?


No such maintenance accruals and other expenses such as insurance are separate.
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lightsaber wrote:
I look forward to this thread more than any other.

Thank you for posting!

benbeny wrote:
Well, now you can buy 77E with as little money as A320 or B738. I wonder will any airlines trying to spread its wings take this offer. It's interesting to see that A330 has stronger market potential than 77E or 744/748.
Thank you for posting this data, it's always interesting.
By the way, do you have any idea about the price of bizjets?


The drop in value for all widebodies is getting steaper. It is no surprise the 77E and A330 feel the pressure now that growth has slowed and the quantity if 787s and A359s grow.

After the NEO and MAx are out in quantity, in particular after the first major PIPs, more widebody missions will down gauge.

It will get interesting once we can differentiate NEO/MAX from CEO/NG.

Lightsaber

I don't get it. Why downgauge your wide body to smaller birds?
 
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LAXintl wrote:
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Thanks for interesting information! Can you show the same numbers about 737-Classics?
 
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benbeny wrote:
lightsaber wrote:
I look forward to this thread more than any other.

Thank you for posting!

benbeny wrote:
Well, now you can buy 77E with as little money as A320 or B738. I wonder will any airlines trying to spread its wings take this offer. It's interesting to see that A330 has stronger market potential than 77E or 744/748.
Thank you for posting this data, it's always interesting.
By the way, do you have any idea about the price of bizjets?


The drop in value for all widebodies is getting steaper. It is no surprise the 77E and A330 feel the pressure now that growth has slowed and the quantity if 787s and A359s grow.

After the NEO and MAx are out in quantity, in particular after the first major PIPs, more widebody missions will down gauge.

It will get interesting once we can differentiate NEO/MAX from CEO/NG.

Lightsaber

I don't get it. Why downgauge your wide body to smaller birds?

Competition will force the options. We're talking about a thousand miles increase in narrowbody range. So new frequencies and detentions will drive a need to cut costs per flight.

Think about how many widebodies went down from 747s to A330s or 77Es. With the 321LR and -8 MAX, many will down gauge as new cities open. Everyone expected congestion to drive to the A380 and instead narrowbodies, smaller widebodies, and new hubs took up the growth.

Ask your yourself why there are so few US domestic widebody flights. It is because so much of the profit is so few passengers. Either an airline caters to the profitable customers or someone else will.

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EW85122 wrote:
Can you show the same numbers about 737-Classics?


B737-300 - $1.2 - 3.3M, $30-68,000
B737-400 - $2.1 - 4.4M, $53-80,000
B737-500 - $1.1 - 2.7M, $33-48,000
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How much years of leasing costs like aircraft price (average price vs average lease rate):
B748: 11.3 Years
A380: 10.5
A320: 10.0
B738: 9.4
A330: 9.0
E195: 9.0
CR9: 7.7
CR2: 4.0
B744: 3.9
B735: 3.9
Maybe, that numbers can be treated like "Airframe predicted life until scrape"?
 
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Did any CSeries deals done by Macquarie, LCI or Ilyushin show up yet? They would have to start placing them soon, no?
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The relatively high value of the 73G is a little surprising. I expect that's down to Southwest having been active in the market, buying up some decent examples and kicking the tyres on others. Reducing the available stock of used aircraft will drive prices up, and some have also been broken up.

By comparison quite a few A319s have been coming to market and availability will have the opposite effect.
 
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Did any CSeries deals done by Macquarie, LCI or Ilyushin show up yet? They would have to start placing them soon, no?


CS100 market value $24m-$28m and lease values $215k-$235k.
 
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Chaostheory wrote:
golfradio wrote:
Did any CSeries deals done by Macquarie, LCI or Ilyushin show up yet? They would have to start placing them soon, no?


CS100 market value $24m-$28m and lease values $215k-$235k.


Thanks. I am surprised at the value compared to the E90s.
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And how about 737 freighters? I'm curious with that market
 
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Sat May 06, 2017 11:24 pm

The Boeing 757-200 values...one can basically thank FedEx and Delta for that, as they were paying premiums to buy any frames coming onto the used market (when FedEx was buying air-worthy 757s from whoever was selling - airlines or lessors - they were purchasing for $10M per frame, above market value). As for the Boeing 777-200ER, I'm not surprised given that ideal replacements in both the A350-900XWB and the 787-9 are available, with more range, causing their prices to crater, plus some are ready for the scrap heap.
 
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The 777-300ER down to $55 million is interesting.
It is higher than scrap by a good amount. It is good retention of value for their age in fact. A bit too high for freighter conversion if that was possible.

Losing value, but I believe age and supply and demand explain the drops. For with EK selling 777-300ERs, the supply has increased dramatically and I doubt demand has shifted much.

EW85122 wrote:
How much years of leasing costs like aircraft price (average price vs average lease rate):
B748: 11.3 Years
A380: 10.5
A320: 10.0
B738: 9.4
A330: 9.0
E195: 9.0
CR9: 7.7
CR2: 4.0
B744: 3.9
B735: 3.9
Maybe, that numbers can be treated like "Airframe predicted life until scrape"?


Only short times are years to scrapping.
For longer, the time value of money comes into play. For 9+ years, it is a mix of ease of resale and credit worthiness of the leasing airlines. For example, I think the 748 has lower leasing costs than the A380 just as the few buyers have easier access to capital and thus will lease for less. While EK is probably not getting the lease rates they would wish for as no one expects any resale market on the A380s while 747s have hope (expectation?) of becoming freighters.

I do think the 787 is impacting A330 value to lease rates a little.

aemoreira1981 wrote:
The Boeing 757-200 values...one can basically thank FedEx and Delta for that, as they were paying premiums to buy any frames coming onto the used market (when FedEx was buying air-worthy 757s from whoever was selling - airlines or lessors - they were purchasing for $10M per frame, above market value). As for the Boeing 777-200ER, I'm not surprised given that ideal replacements in both the A350-900XWB and the 787-9 are available, with more range, causing their prices to crater, plus some are ready for the scrap heap.

I agree on both counts. FedEx in particular boosted the 757 resale market. I would like to know the 757F values.

Same with the 77E, there are multiple good replacements out there. Also, the 77As fly routes the A321LR will soon fly and was being replaced by A333s on shorter routes anyway.

Interesting times ahead for widebody resale values. None of us might enjoy the roller coaster ride that is coming.

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Re: Aircraft Values, And Lease Pricing - Spring 2017

Sun May 07, 2017 4:04 am

Thanks once again, LAXintl. It's such great information...and it's refreshing to have real data to bat around.
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Re: Aircraft Values, And Lease Pricing - Spring 2017

Sun May 07, 2017 10:06 am

LAXintl wrote:
B717 - $6.7 - 10.4M, $115-133,000
MD-82 - $0.5 - 1.4M, $25-39,000
MD-90 - $2.7 - 3.7M, $65-75,000


Does this mean that Delta pays nearly twice as much for leasing their 115-seat B717 as for their 160-seat MD90? Does that make the B717 high-CASM or MD90 low-CASM?
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Re: Aircraft Values, And Lease Pricing - Spring 2017

Sun May 07, 2017 4:33 pm

CRJ900 wrote:
LAXintl wrote:
B717 - $6.7 - 10.4M, $115-133,000
MD-82 - $0.5 - 1.4M, $25-39,000
MD-90 - $2.7 - 3.7M, $65-75,000


Does this mean that Delta pays nearly twice as much for leasing their 115-seat B717 as for their 160-seat MD90? Does that make the B717 high-CASM or MD90 low-CASM?


Unlikely. DL we understand got a great deal on the 717s and the demand is because DL picked us almost the entire fleet and is looking.
 
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Re: Aircraft Values, And Lease Pricing - Spring 2017

Mon May 08, 2017 5:09 pm

benbeny wrote:
And how about 737 freighters? I'm curious with that market


B737-300F - $5.3 - 7.9M, $80-135,000
B737-400F - $6.4 - 9.6M, $100-150,000

lightsaber wrote:
I would like to know the 757F values.


B757SF - $6.8 - 19.1M, $125-240,000

LamboAston wrote:
How's the ATR42 doing against the smaller Dash 8s?


ATR-42-600 - $12.0 - 17.6M, $130-155,000
DHC-8-200 - $3.6 - 7.4M, $55-75,000
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Re: Aircraft Values, And Lease Pricing - Spring 2017

Mon May 08, 2017 7:43 pm

LAXintl wrote:
LamboAston wrote:
How's the ATR42 doing against the smaller Dash 8s?


ATR-42-600 - $12.0 - 17.6M, $130-155,000
DHC-8-200 - $3.6 - 7.4M, $55-75,000


I was more wondering about the Q300. Thanks for that though
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Re: Aircraft Values, And Lease Pricing - Spring 2017

Wed Jul 05, 2017 3:57 pm

LAXintl, my apologies for asking late but do you have the values and lease rates for the following aircraft types?

- A340-500
- EMB120 & EMB135
- ERJ170
- ATR42-500
- Fokker 100 & Fokker 70
- Fokker 50

I would love to have those too. In any case, thanks as always for the valuable information :)


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Re: Aircraft Values, And Lease Pricing - Spring 2017

Wed Jul 05, 2017 4:06 pm

Thanks LAXintl for these updates, they are always very interesting to read

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