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Re: Virgin America receives first A321neo

Fri Apr 21, 2017 11:17 am

TheGeordielad wrote:
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engine type?

CFMs


You mean Leap-1B, CFM was on A320 series.
 
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Re: Virgin America receives first A321neo

Fri Apr 21, 2017 11:28 am

rbavfan wrote:
TheGeordielad wrote:
anshabhi wrote:
engine type?

CFMs


You mean Leap-1B, CFM was on A320 series.


The LEAP engine is made by CFM... Also the LEAP-1B is on the MAX. A320neo has LEAP-1A
 
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Fri Apr 21, 2017 11:35 am

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QueenoftheSkies wrote:
petera380 wrote:
It will be in Alaska Airlines colors soon! :D


Unfortunately


+1 what was the point in buying it to just get rid of it. :roll:


It would cost Alaska to much money to drop the orders. They bought the Alaska & all it's dept., including contracts.
 
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Re: Virgin America receives first A321neo

Fri Apr 21, 2017 11:42 am

ikolkyo wrote:
rbavfan wrote:
TheGeordielad wrote:
CFMs


You mean Leap-1B, CFM was on A320 series.


The LEAP engine is made by CFM... Also the LEAP-1B is on the MAX. A320neo has LEAP-1A


True I ment the 1A. However The NG & A320ceo were called CFM56, the new engines do not use that terminology. They refer to the older engines as CFM56 & the new engines as LEAP. They refer to the company as CFM.

https://www.cfmaeroengines.com/engines/leap/
 
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Re: Virgin America receives first A321neo

Fri Apr 21, 2017 12:20 pm

rbavfan wrote:
ikolkyo wrote:
rbavfan wrote:

You mean Leap-1B, CFM was on A320 series.


The LEAP engine is made by CFM... Also the LEAP-1B is on the MAX. A320neo has LEAP-1A


True I ment the 1A. However The NG & A320ceo were called CFM56, the new engines do not use that terminology. They refer to the older engines as CFM56 & the new engines as LEAP. They refer to the company as CFM.

https://www.cfmaeroengines.com/engines/leap/


You're looking to far into that other guy's response. He just said the aircraft has CFMs. It's just like saying the aircraft has PWs. The CFM56 and LEAP are from 1 company called CFM International.
 
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Re: Virgin America receives first A321neo

Fri Apr 21, 2017 1:21 pm

ikolkyo wrote:
rbavfan wrote:
ikolkyo wrote:


The LEAP engine is made by CFM... Also the LEAP-1B is on the MAX. A320neo has LEAP-1A


True I ment the 1A. However The NG & A320ceo were called CFM56, the new engines do not use that terminology. They refer to the older engines as CFM56 & the new engines as LEAP. They refer to the company as CFM.

https://www.cfmaeroengines.com/engines/leap/


You're looking to far into that other guy's response. He just said the aircraft has CFMs. It's just like saying the aircraft has PWs. The CFM56 and LEAP are from 1 company called CFM International.


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Re: Virgin America receives first A321neo

Fri Apr 21, 2017 3:08 pm

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Well done!! My problem with this is that there wasn't much announced in the way of who will launch it. A lot of confusion overall. Also, since the Virgin America brand will be gone in 2 years, why not deliver it with the new Alaska interiors and livery?


Because "in two years" is not, like, now?
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Re: Virgin America receives first A321neo

Fri Apr 21, 2017 3:59 pm

Airinsight issued issued their opinion about the A321Neo delivery to VX.

This has been well discussed here and summarized in one sentence it can be the bird which makes AS thinking about being no longer "Proudly All Boeing". So its not really news for the forum.

https://airinsight.com/2017/04/20/a321n ... ectations/

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Fri Apr 21, 2017 5:57 pm

SQ22 wrote:
Airinsight issued issued their opinion about the A321Neo delivery to VX.

This has been well discussed here and summarized in one sentence it can be the bird which makes AS thinking about being no longer "Proudly All Boeing". So its not really news for the forum.

https://airinsight.com/2017/04/20/a321n ... ectations/

Time will tell.


This was a pretty well written article. For sentimental reasons, I wish AS will stay all Boeing. And you can probably guess that I'm not unbiased. However, AS is a very well run company that I'm sure will make good fleet decisions for more than sentimental reasons.
 
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Re: Virgin America receives first A321neo

Fri Apr 21, 2017 6:56 pm

Nicoeddf wrote:
OA940 wrote:
Well done!! My problem with this is that there wasn't much announced in the way of who will launch it. A lot of confusion overall. Also, since the Virgin America brand will be gone in 2 years, why not deliver it with the new Alaska interiors and livery?


Because "in two years" is not, like, now?


But then you're spending extra money for a brand-new plane for no reason.
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Re: Virgin America receives first A321neo

Fri Apr 21, 2017 7:05 pm

OA940 wrote:
Nicoeddf wrote:
OA940 wrote:
Well done!! My problem with this is that there wasn't much announced in the way of who will launch it. A lot of confusion overall. Also, since the Virgin America brand will be gone in 2 years, why not deliver it with the new Alaska interiors and livery?


Because "in two years" is not, like, now?


But then you're spending extra money for a brand-new plane for no reason.


The lead time on cabin interiors is over 6 months. Alaska has never designed an Airbus interior so to get their carpets, galley configuration, seats, etc it likely will be 8-12 months. They can't easily swap the interior. Paint is a bit easier, but changing the paint late in the production process adds cost and can delay delivery. Airbus does not like designing a paint scheme and ordering paint and then having to change it since the airline wants a different one.
 
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Re: Virgin America receives first A321neo

Fri Apr 21, 2017 7:10 pm

OA940 wrote:
Nicoeddf wrote:
OA940 wrote:
Well done!! My problem with this is that there wasn't much announced in the way of who will launch it. A lot of confusion overall. Also, since the Virgin America brand will be gone in 2 years, why not deliver it with the new Alaska interiors and livery?


Because "in two years" is not, like, now?


But then you're spending extra money for a brand-new plane for no reason.


Things like new cabin interiors and liveries don't materialize instantaneously and take time to work out. It's typical in these situations that both brands continue to receive aircraft in their current livery/cabin/configuration until those details can be fully developed.
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Re: Virgin America receives first A321neo

Fri Apr 21, 2017 7:30 pm

OA940 wrote:
Well done!! My problem with this is that there wasn't much announced in the way of who will launch it. A lot of confusion overall. Also, since the Virgin America brand will be gone in 2 years, why not deliver it with the new Alaska interiors and livery?


This exact question has been answered 2 or 3 times already up thread.
 
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Re: Virgin America receives first A321neo

Fri Apr 21, 2017 7:30 pm

CanadaFair wrote:
Polot wrote:
CanadaFair wrote:
Why not the revised look titles? website has it since a couple of years but no new aircraft getting it?

What's the point? The VX livery will be gone in a few years.

Its a long time and this is a brand new aircraft, the website is showing new title and fonts since two years, its the US not some backwardf society to whom such things are irrelevant and its Virgin brand not some third rate carrier.


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Re: Virgin America receives first A321neo

Sat Apr 22, 2017 1:03 am

Lovely aircraft, would look really nice in AS colours.
 
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Re: Virgin America receives first A321neo

Sat Apr 22, 2017 1:12 am

Are those American flags on the wingtips? Those look great :D *coughamericancough*
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Re: Virgin America receives first A321neo

Sat Apr 22, 2017 1:38 am

The second route for the VX A321neo has been announced...SFO to JFK (afternoon arrival and evening departure on VX22/29), starting in mid-June

http://www.routesonline.com/news/38/air ... ns-in-s17/
 
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Sat Apr 22, 2017 2:14 am

AS has committed to taking 4 more A321NEOs, and then later this year, they will make a decision about the fleet going forward. This A321 comes with the groan-worthy name of "NEO Kid on the Block" which prompted Ben Minicucci to remark that he's looking forward to seeing if this airplane has all the "right stuff." (This is where I planted my forehead against my phone when reading his e-mail, by the way).
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Re: Virgin America receives first A321neo

Sat Apr 22, 2017 4:49 am

OA940 wrote:
Well done!! My problem with this is that there wasn't much announced in the way of who will launch it. A lot of confusion overall. Also, since the Virgin America brand will be gone in 2 years, why not deliver it with the new Alaska interiors and livery?

You could read the thread before posting to find out.
 
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Re: Virgin America receives first A321neo

Sat Apr 22, 2017 5:06 am

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Are those American flags on the wingtips? Those look great :D *coughamericancough*


That would be great!
 
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Mon Apr 24, 2017 3:31 am

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I absolutely love the 321! It's just a sexy looking airplane. I am surprised they didn't paint this in Alaska colors. I will miss Virgin America, but I sure hope Alaska keeps the Airbus.


In one of the threads somebody - possibly EA CO AS - said that the first one or two A321s would be in the VX livery since they were already in process. Beyond that, I believe they'll be in Alaska colors. I think they'll look awesome in either.


I have to be honest. I am a bit bored looking up and seeing the same old AS 737's. So, it will be a great for my eyes when I can see an AS 321 streaking past my house. So, for us spotters, we have a great treat coming! I hope to see something even cooler in my lifetime. I am just waiting for the day that AS has widebody aircraft. Many have told me it would never happen, but I recall most of the nay sayers said that about Alaska ever flying to Hawaii. So..... Anything is possible in our own little airline world. :)
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Re: Virgin America receives first A321neo

Mon Apr 24, 2017 5:20 am

The A321neo is my favorite Airbus aircraft besides the A350-1000! :bouncy: Look at her! Tall, nicely proportioned (though I wish the wings were a little bit bigger), bigger engines, comfortable!

I, for one, am glad we get to see it in VX colors! I'm more excited for AA to get the A321neo though.
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Re: Virgin America receives first A321neo

Sat May 27, 2017 1:53 pm

So anyone has the cabin pictures yet?
 
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Re: Virgin America receives first A321neo

Sat May 27, 2017 5:51 pm

Slash787 wrote:
So anyone has the cabin pictures yet?

I found this picture on instagram http://instagram.fabe1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/t51.2885-15/e35/18512605_288024748303268_4585192748885213184_n.jpg
 
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Re: Virgin America receives first A321neo

Sat May 27, 2017 6:09 pm

MesserJ wrote:
Slash787 wrote:
So anyone has the cabin pictures yet?

I found this picture on instagram http://instagram.fabe1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/t51.2885-15/e35/18512605_288024748303268_4585192748885213184_n.jpg


Thanks for the cabin pic. The furnishings look identical, if not similar to, the A320. F class is a long way, but the plexiglass class divider, LEDS and white seats (presumably leather) look like a repeat as well. I was hope for a refresh in the First Class seating. Not that it's bad, but the two rows of 2+2 Recaro recliners, at large pitch, is hardly innovative.
 
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Re: Virgin America receives first A321neo

Sat May 27, 2017 10:21 pm

It's funny Seattle based Alaska is becoming launch operator of arguably the hottest machine in the industry, the A321NEO, without asking for it & questioning if they even want to keep it :tongue2: .

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Sat May 27, 2017 10:22 pm

EA CO AS wrote:
This A321 comes with the groan-worthy name of "NEO Kid on the Block" which prompted Ben Minicucci to remark that he's looking forward to seeing if this airplane has all the "right stuff."


Then they really should have sent that plane to BOS rather than JFK or DCA...
 
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Re: Virgin America receives first A321neo

Sat May 27, 2017 10:41 pm

According to Flightaware, a second VX A321NEO (N922VA) has been delivered, and is currently in MIA.
N921VA is in SFO, presumably getting ready for the big day on Wednesday
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Re: Virgin America receives first A321neo

Sat May 27, 2017 10:42 pm

I hope to see it in Seattle soon (:
 
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Re: Virgin America receives first A321neo

Sat May 27, 2017 11:59 pm

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I hope to see it in Seattle soon (:

N921VA actually was in Seattle earlier this week, albeit not on a revenue flight. They seem to have bounced it XFW-BGR-MIA-DCA-JFK-SEA-SFO.
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Re: Virgin America receives first A321neo

Sun May 28, 2017 12:05 am

Looks great! Now does anyone know when AS will be getting rid of that "Proudly all Boeing" nonsense on their 737's?
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Re: Virgin America receives first A321neo

Sun May 28, 2017 12:18 am

Who, 2 or 3 years ago, would have guessed that Alaska would fly the first 321neo!?!
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Re: Virgin America receives first A321neo

Sun May 28, 2017 1:40 am

If AS adds the A321NEO's to SEA, my guess is that they would fly the SEA-DCA and SEA-LAX routes.
 
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Sun May 28, 2017 3:58 am

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Re: Virgin America receives first A321neo

Sun May 28, 2017 4:31 am

Looking forward to flying on it. Just 3 weeks!
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Sun May 28, 2017 4:59 am

Wow I might have to try as on a upcoming flight
 
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Re: Virgin America receives first A321neo

Sun May 28, 2017 5:00 am

NameOmitted wrote:
toxtethogrady wrote:
KarelXWB wrote:
The fleet won't disappear before 2024 at the earliest.


That's only 7 years down the road. This is a new bird. I predict AS will find some reason to keep the A321s in the fleet.


4000 NMI out of ANC? I could come up with a few reasons to keep the A321... ANC-HEL to connect with BA's hub there? ANC-ICN to connect with KE there? ANC-HND to connect with JL?

Yeah, I did not claim they would be GOOD reasons, but a boy can dream.


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Re: Virgin America receives first A321neo

Sun May 28, 2017 5:41 am

I wonder why the went for the CEO style bins? The NEO 350 style would hold more no? And cabin Baggage is such a huge issue in the US and slows boarding so badly the extra space would make a significant OTP difference.
 
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Re: Virgin America receives first A321neo

Sun May 28, 2017 6:27 am

FlyUSAir wrote:
Looks great! Now does anyone know when AS will be getting rid of that "Proudly all Boeing" nonsense on their 737's?

I really don't know why that is still being applied to new aircraft and repaints. I saw N306AS which just got out of paint over a week ago, and sure enough "Proudly all Boeing" is still there :?
 
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Re: Virgin America receives first A321neo

Sun May 28, 2017 7:30 am

FlyUSAir wrote:
Now does anyone know when AS will be getting rid of that "Proudly all Boeing" nonsense on their 737's?


AS's headquarters and largest hub are in a city which has historically been tightly associated with Boeing and which for many years was the company's headquarters. I expect that a high percentage of AS's customers know someone who works for Boeing. AS flying Airbus aircraft in a way is like if Delta were to serve Pepsi on its flights instead of Coke.
 
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Re: Virgin America receives first A321neo

Sun May 28, 2017 7:41 am

ScottB wrote:
FlyUSAir wrote:
Now does anyone know when AS will be getting rid of that "Proudly all Boeing" nonsense on their 737's?


AS's headquarters and largest hub are in a city which has historically been tightly associated with Boeing and which for many years was the company's headquarters. I expect that a high percentage of AS's customers know someone who works for Boeing. AS flying Airbus aircraft in a way is like if Delta were to serve Pepsi on its flights instead of Coke.


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Sun May 28, 2017 7:51 am

FlyUSAir wrote:
Looks great! Now does anyone know when AS will be getting rid of that "Proudly all Boeing" nonsense on their 737's?


Sigh, You know...for what its worth Alaska Air Group owns Virgin America and Alaska does not fly Airbuses. Virgin America does. This has never been an issue with the Q400s at Horizon so i really dont see why people feel the need to keep bringing this up. Can we at least wait until single operating certificate? Or wait until we see a A321 in Alaska Colors? Maybe then it will look a little silly to have "Proudly All Boeing" on the fuselage with an Eskimo on the tail
 
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Re: Virgin America receives first A321neo

Tue Jun 13, 2017 1:33 pm

Flight Aware says occasionally a VX A321 has been flying LAX-BOS. Is that just an error? I've got that flight with VX in July and that would be incredible if ending up on the NEO was possible.
 
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Re: Virgin America receives first A321neo

Tue Jul 11, 2017 4:34 am

I wonder, what would happen if AS kept the 30x A320neo order and swapped them all to A321neos?
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Tue Jul 11, 2017 5:32 am

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I wonder, what would happen if AS kept the 30x A320neo order and swapped them all to A321neos?

Transcons. Probably from Cali, with the removal of 320 from LA/SF-NY/DC/Boston routes
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Re: Virgin America receives first A321neo

Tue Jul 11, 2017 5:41 am

ahj2000 wrote:
Boeing778X wrote:
I wonder, what would happen if AS kept the 30x A320neo order and swapped them all to A321neos?

Transcons. Probably from Cali, with the removal of 320 from LA/SF-NY/DC/Boston routes


I reckon they ought to remove all the A319s off the bat and phase out the A320s at the same time.

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Re: Virgin America receives first A321neo

Tue Jul 11, 2017 6:46 am

ahj2000 wrote:
Boeing778X wrote:
I wonder, what would happen if AS kept the 30x A320neo order and swapped them all to A321neos?

Transcons. Probably from Cali, with the removal of 320 from LA/SF-NY/DC/Boston routes


You can expect to see the A320s deployed to traditional north/south routes up and down the West Coast freeing up the larger 737-900ERs for transcons.
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Re: Virgin America receives first A321neo

Wed Sep 13, 2017 3:48 am

KarelXWB wrote:
Virgin America today took delivery of the first A321neo, becoming the first airline to operate the type.

Aircraft with registration N921VA will fly to BGR later today.

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https://twitter.com/Airbus/status/854965774917742592


What's happening with N923VA ( The 3rd A-321) ? It was reported as painted and still "on order" as of July 28
 
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Wed Sep 13, 2017 4:06 am

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ahj2000 wrote:
Boeing778X wrote:
I wonder, what would happen if AS kept the 30x A320neo order and swapped them all to A321neos?

Transcons. Probably from Cali, with the removal of 320 from LA/SF-NY/DC/Boston routes


You can expect to see the A320s deployed to traditional north/south routes up and down the West Coast freeing up the larger 737-900ERs for transcons.

I can't wait to see the first time an airbus winds up in a Anc for whatever reason. Surprised SFO-ANC hasn't been announced yet. But a red eye SEAANC 321 turn could make sense IMO
 
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Re: Virgin America receives first A321neo

Wed Sep 13, 2017 4:49 am

OA940 wrote:
Well done!! My problem with this is that there wasn't much announced in the way of who will launch it. A lot of confusion overall. Also, since the Virgin America brand will be gone in 2 years, why not deliver it with the new Alaska interiors and livery?

They can't be painted in AS colors until the merger is complete early next year .

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