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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - April 2017

Sun Apr 16, 2017 11:43 pm

IMHO, QF already have a 737 replacement order, the A320 order they have for the various Jetstar subsidiaries. BL won't be taking any of the orders so it's only the other 3 Jetstar's that will. Even then there's plenty of frames left for QF, the A321NEO's will be a great addition to the QF fleet, especially PER-East Coast flights that aren't operated by the A330.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - April 2017

Sun Apr 16, 2017 11:47 pm

QF have to make at least two "big splash" orders in the not too distant future.

1) Announce what they are going to order to do the non stop SYD/LHR they are so desperate for. Whatever it is will also end up being the 747 replacement and in the future will be a considerable number of frames, whether it be the 350 or 778/779. Personally, I think it will be the 777 combo and that come mid 2020's, they will also be the replacements for the 380.

2) Announce either a NEO, MAX, or if Boeing were to launch it soon enough, the MOM. Whatever it is will most likely get a relatively small initial order of 20-30, but will in the end be upwards of 100+.

The initial splashes may not be huge, but whatever the fleet choices made will be huge over time. As for the 787, you would have to expect that every 330 in the current fleet would be replaced by 787's, take in some growth, plus any additional requirement for JQ and the fleet will end up being 60+ aircraft.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - April 2017

Mon Apr 17, 2017 12:05 am

Does anyone know how is SQ Doing on it's capital express service (SIN-CBR-WLG) ? I Think SQ was to risky starting this route, because there are several options to take a plane to singapore from nearby airports (in Australia SYD and MEL, and in New Zealand CHC). I understand the purpose of SQ launching this route, trying to catch the diplomatic passengers but that's not enough to launch such a long and expensive flight. SQ's services to SYD MEL BNE PER are a mix of VFR+business, ADL less business/leisure but works.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - April 2017

Mon Apr 17, 2017 7:23 am

Hi every one, coming home from my parents place after a Easter long weekend up in Echuca, we went via the airport very very surprised to see a Malaysian Airlines A380 taking of I looked at the schedules and it looked like MH 148 departing at 13.55. how long has MH been running A380s into Melbourne or was this a one of, because usually into Melbourne they are 330s ?
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - April 2017

Mon Apr 17, 2017 7:30 am

Looks like SYD got an MH 380 today as well. No idea why though, may have had a block booking from a travel company or similar.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - April 2017

Mon Apr 17, 2017 8:52 am

Driving past Melbourne Airport coming back from Echuca today saw Malaysia Airlines with a A380 looked it up it was MH 148 departing at 13.55, was this a one of because usually MH fly 330s into Melbourne and its the first time that I have seen an MH 380 in at MEL. How long has MH 148 been a 380 service.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - April 2017

Mon Apr 17, 2017 9:09 am

Flyingsottsman wrote:
Driving past Melbourne Airport coming back from Echuca today saw Malaysia Airlines with a A380 looked it up it was MH 148 departing at 13.55, was this a one of because usually MH fly 330s into Melbourne and its the first time that I have seen an MH 380 in at MEL. How long has MH 148 been a 380 service.


It's only temporary due to stretched A330 fleet due to maintenance. SYD saw A380 today as well.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - April 2017

Mon Apr 17, 2017 10:48 am

MEL and SYD will get 380s tomorrow too.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - April 2017

Mon Apr 17, 2017 10:53 am

A VA flight was forced to return to PER on Easter Sunday to a disruptive passenger

http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/western ... 3ca65d32bb
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - April 2017

Mon Apr 17, 2017 12:21 pm

Sydney saw at least two rare (to Sydney at least) movements. I think it was last Tuesday ba USAF C-17 came in. And on Easter Sunday, an ADB AN-124 came in (then departed first thing Monday morning). And I missed both (well I saw the C-17 on approach), would've loved to been out spotting and snapped some photos of it.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - April 2017

Mon Apr 17, 2017 1:21 pm

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Does anyone know how is SQ Doing on it's capital express service (SIN-CBR-WLG) ?


Hey mate,
My understanding is that the midweek service is a poor seller but the Monday and Friday flights are doing well. There was speculation about another weekly service (maybe Saturday?) but I haven't heard anything about that lately. I would love any official figures though... Maybe one of our Canberra based a.netters know more about this?

On the matter of Canberra, has anyone heard the latest on Qatar's plans? Or the 'Other airline' (ie.the third international airline) that was investigating opening Canberra flights? The latter has been speculated as being either Air New Zealand to Auckland, Fiji Airways back to Fiji (possibly winter seasonal flights) or one of the Chinese majors...

As for a potential QF 'big splash' order, I'm sure Boeing's MoM plans are being carefully considered and weighed against whatever Airbus will counter MoM with. I disagree with the poster above that the 'Qantas Group / Jetstar' order for Neos a few years ago automatically is the 737 replacement order by default, but I do think that the longer it takes Alan Joyce to announce the replacements for the 737s, the more likely it WILL involve this Neo 'bulk purchase' - call it a gut feeling!

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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - April 2017

Mon Apr 17, 2017 8:58 pm

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Luisvalero wrote:
Does anyone know how is SQ Doing on it's capital express service (SIN-CBR-WLG) ?


My understanding is that the midweek service is a poor seller but the Monday and Friday flights are doing well. There was speculation about another weekly service (maybe Saturday?) but I haven't heard anything about that lately. I would love any official figures though... Maybe one of our Canberra based a.netters know more about this?


BITRE official figures has it as averaging 78% LF across the whole route since it started (Sep16-Jan17) with the CBR-SIN sector at 84%.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - April 2017

Mon Apr 17, 2017 11:26 pm

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kriskim wrote:
IMHO, QF already have a 737 replacement order, the A320 order they have for the various Jetstar subsidiaries. BL won't be taking any of the orders so it's only the other 3 Jetstar's that will. Even then there's plenty of frames left for QF, the A321NEO's will be a great addition to the QF fleet, especially PER-East Coast flights that aren't operated by the A330.


It's interesting I always felt QF and JQ had different fleets to keep the pilot EBAs separate but that doesn't seem to have impacted the 787s. Maybe this has passed now? The 738 must be up for renewal before the 320s. Why won't BL receive any?

I would have thought containerised loading would have spread up the turn times of the 320s giving them an advantage- otherwise they seem rather even?

A321 seems a good way to increase J as Y capcity down the east coast, while reducing transcon.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - April 2017

Mon Apr 17, 2017 11:45 pm

QANTAS will need to start replacing the A330-300's from 2021, so in the next few years there will be orders for the 787-10.

If QANTAS replace a large proportion of the A330-200's with the 787-10, than we could see a standing order for ~twenty (~20) aircraft. This would allow the remaining A330-200 fleet to be utilised for the domestic network.

I think QANTAS will separate the decision for the 787 and 777X. These aircraft are for fundamentally different markets.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - April 2017

Tue Apr 18, 2017 12:02 am

smi0006 wrote:
[threeid]u[/threeid]
kriskim wrote:
IMHO, QF already have a 737 replacement order, the A320 order they have for the various Jetstar subsidiaries. BL won't be taking any of the orders so it's only the other 3 Jetstar's that will. Even then there's plenty of frames left for QF, the A321NEO's will be a great addition to the QF fleet, especially PER-East Coast flights that aren't operated by the A330.


It's interesting I always felt QF and JQ had different fleets to keep the pilot EBAs separate but that doesn't seem to have impacted the 787s. Maybe this has passed now? The 738 must be up for renewal before the 320s. Why won't BL receive any?

I would have thought containerised loading would have spread up the turn times of the 320s giving them an advantage- otherwise they seem rather even?

A321 seems a good way to increase J as Y capcity down the east coast, while reducing transcon.


The EBA thought was common at the time of the 737 order, don't know how true it was, or is now. Let's face it, as stated, JQ and QF will operate the 787, not forgetting they have already done the same with the 330's.

If the ability to carry pissy little containers that the 320 series do now, was such a decisive factor, Boeing, or any other narrow body manufacture would never sell another narrow bodied aircraft unless they could provide the same, yet they've sold thousands :scratchchin:

The 739 would work just as well on the domestic network, may struggle more on the longer near Asia runs, but would still do the Bali flights just fine.

Whatever they get will end up being close to a hundred frames over the first decade of the order, so it's worth fighting for.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - April 2017

Tue Apr 18, 2017 12:11 am

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QANTAS will need to start replacing the A330-300's from 2021, so in the next few years there will be orders for the 787-10.

If QANTAS replace a large proportion of the A330-200's with the 787-10, than we could see a standing order for ~twenty (~20) aircraft. This would allow the remaining A330-200 fleet to be utilised for the domestic network.

I think QANTAS will separate the decision for the 787 and 777X. These aircraft are for fundamentally different markets.


I think the JQ 788's will eventually come to QF and be used domestically, with 789's doing additional wide body domestic flying and also being used to replace the 788's at JQ.

Agreed that the 787 and 777X/350 order is viewed seperately.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - April 2017

Tue Apr 18, 2017 12:26 am

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Whatever they get will end up being close to a hundred frames over the first decade of the order, so it's worth fighting for.


Hey mate,
On the surface yes, 100 frames seems likely eventually to replace the 737-800s and some growth.
However, I believe that the MoM and even the CSeries could come into consideration, and these factors may be behind the apparent publicly slow progress with plans to replace the 737 fleet. Perhaps Alan Joyce et al are being prudent and waiting for firmer proposals from Boeing and Bombardier about potential MoM and CS300/CS500 developments as part of the decision making. While it's inevitable that dozens of Neos or MAXs will be ordered, maybe a dozen domestically configured MoMs (plus say, eight international configured MoMs) and 16-20 CSeries for QF mainline may bookend either side of a neo/MAX fleet? Yes, I realise that means replacing one type with three, but if the MoM is used for transtasman, near Asia and near Pacific routes like Fiji and Honolulu, and the CSeries (probably in CS100 form) replace QantasLink's 717s and Network's Fokker 100s in the longer term, the critical mass of numbers to make these fleets more economical in term of maintenance and support, can be achieved. Of course, QF may chose higher capacity A321neos and LRs to top out the domestic and transtasman fleet, and I think that's a strong possibility, and 'lever off' the Group order for A32Xneos from years ago. Maybe QF will be a launch customer for the MAX10 (not likely in my opinion) in conjunction with an order for MAX8s? And of course, those pesky deferred orders for A380s....
It's all very interesting....
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - April 2017

Tue Apr 18, 2017 12:48 am

log0008 wrote:
Flyingsottsman wrote:
Driving past Melbourne Airport coming back from Echuca today saw Malaysia Airlines with a A380 looked it up it was MH 148 departing at 13.55, was this a one of because usually MH fly 330s into Melbourne and its the first time that I have seen an MH 380 in at MEL. How long has MH 148 been a 380 service.


It's only temporary due to stretched A330 fleet due to maintenance. SYD saw A380 today as well.


Negative. MH A380s are on 6x Australian rotations due to runway works at Medinah (MED) in Saudi Arabia which have associated limitations... A330s deployed to MED in place of the normally-scheduled A380s, and the displaced A380s operating to MEL and SYD to cover the displaced A330s.

SYD had an A380 yesterday, and should have another through today. MEL has had them every day since Sunday, with the last one through tomorrow.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - April 2017

Tue Apr 18, 2017 12:55 am

The 737-800's will be in the QF fleet for quite a while yet. For the majority of the routes flown (BNE-SYD, MEL-SYD), the economic advantage of the MAX over the NG just isn't there. If the MAX does come into the fleet, it will probably fly longer sectors, so there won't be much opportunity for the majority of us to fly in one anytime soon. From a growth perspective QF have the opportunity to bring the A330 back for domestic flying. Imagine having A330's flying the BNE-SYD & MEL-SYD on an almost continual basis. This would free up 737-800's for other flying within the domestic network.

From a CAPEX perspective QF have to replace the majority of the international fleet over the next 8 years. They will also need to upgrade the A380's. The Jetstar franchises could head back into a growth phase, so there could be a fair amount of competition for CAPEX. QF's domestic product is fairly good (and new) and as such I wouldn’t be expecting QANTAS to be spending big on the domestic product anytime soon.
 
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Tue Apr 18, 2017 2:24 am

SQ is considering either PER or BNE for their next A350 destination

https://www.ausbt.com.au/singapore-airl ... bane-perth
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - April 2017

Tue Apr 18, 2017 3:30 am

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The 737-800's will be in the QF fleet for quite a while yet. For the majority of the routes flown (BNE-SYD, MEL-SYD), the economic advantage of the MAX over the NG just isn't there. If the MAX does come into the fleet, it will probably fly longer sectors, so there won't be much opportunity for the majority of us to fly in one anytime soon. From a growth perspective QF have the opportunity to bring the A330 back for domestic flying. Imagine having A330's flying the BNE-SYD & MEL-SYD on an almost continual basis. This would free up 737-800's for other flying within the domestic network.

From a CAPEX perspective QF have to replace the majority of the international fleet over the next 8 years. They will also need to upgrade the A380's. The Jetstar franchises could head back into a growth phase, so there could be a fair amount of competition for CAPEX. QF's domestic product is fairly good (and new) and as such I wouldn’t be expecting QANTAS to be spending big on the domestic product anytime soon.


330's shuttling along the East Coast, you mean like the 767's used too ? I doubt you'll see too much more wide body flying than what there is now to be honest, not unless one of the airlines was to fold. The new Sydney airport will also split the demand for Sydney.

I agree the 738's have plenty of life left in them, but any new order now would still mean nothing new on site for 3+ years and the oldest 738's would be 20 by then, it's time to be looking. The 380's are a contentious issue, personally I see them going, but not till the mid 2020's, so maybe one more upgrade for them.

As for JQ, I'm not sure internationally from Australia where they can grow to, at least with the 787. I can see the 787-8 going to QF and being replaced by the -9 and the 321neo doing shorter Asian flights, otherwise most growth will be domestically or with the Asian subsidiaries.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - April 2017

Tue Apr 18, 2017 3:48 am

Is QF absolutely coining it with its 738s on the Tasman?

I fly on QF between AKL and SYD/MEL about 10 times per year on the 738. Usually in J; but it's not really J - the product is barely Y+ yet they charge J prices. Y is cramped right down to LCC levels. IFE is a joke. Fares are reasonable, but by no means dirt cheap. Yet, in spite of all the competition on the Tasman, the aircraft are *always* packed - it's rare there is a single spare seat.

Does anyone have any actual figures for QF on these routes? I posted this in the New Zealand forum but no one commented.
 
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Tue Apr 18, 2017 4:22 am

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Is QF absolutely coining it with its 738s on the Tasman?

I fly on QF between AKL and SYD/MEL about 10 times per year on the 738. Usually in J; but it's not really J - the product is barely Y+ yet they charge J prices. Y is cramped right down to LCC levels. IFE is a joke. Fares are reasonable, but by no means dirt cheap. Yet, in spite of all the competition on the Tasman, the aircraft are *always* packed - it's rare there is a single spare seat.

Does anyone have any actual figures for QF on these routes? I posted this in the New Zealand forum but no one commented.


If EK has no problem filling A380s trans-Tasman, I doubt QF will ever have problems filling two or three 738s...
 
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Tue Apr 18, 2017 4:34 am

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Gasman wrote:
Is QF absolutely coining it with its 738s on the Tasman?

I fly on QF between AKL and SYD/MEL about 10 times per year on the 738. Usually in J; but it's not really J - the product is barely Y+ yet they charge J prices. Y is cramped right down to LCC levels. IFE is a joke. Fares are reasonable, but by no means dirt cheap. Yet, in spite of all the competition on the Tasman, the aircraft are *always* packed - it's rare there is a single spare seat.

Does anyone have any actual figures for QF on these routes? I posted this in the New Zealand forum but no one commented.


If EK has no problem filling A380s trans-Tasman, I doubt QF will ever have problems filling two or three 738s...


That would be 5 X 737s a day, plus code shares on EK and LA.
 
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Tue Apr 18, 2017 5:08 am

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Is QF absolutely coining it with its 738s on the Tasman?

I fly on QF between AKL and SYD/MEL about 10 times per year on the 738. Usually in J; but it's not really J - the product is barely Y+ yet they charge J prices. Y is cramped right down to LCC levels. IFE is a joke. Fares are reasonable, but by no means dirt cheap. Yet, in spite of all the competition on the Tasman, the aircraft are *always* packed - it's rare there is a single spare seat.

Does anyone have any actual figures for QF on these routes? I posted this in the New Zealand forum but no one commented.


I would say that some/a lot of the traffic is coming from connecting flights. I know that BNE's AKL services, particularly in the morning, will see a lot of pax from international connections (HKG, NRT, SIN, POM, LAX etc) and I would imagine that SYD gets even more so.

I doubt anyone that has figures on these routes is going to be able to share them.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - April 2017

Tue Apr 18, 2017 6:59 am

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Does anyone know how is SQ Doing on it's capital express service (SIN-CBR-WLG) ? I Think SQ was to risky starting this route, because there are several options to take a plane to singapore from nearby airports (in Australia SYD and MEL, and in New Zealand CHC). I understand the purpose of SQ launching this route, trying to catch the diplomatic passengers but that's not enough to launch such a long and expensive flight. SQ's services to SYD MEL BNE PER are a mix of VFR+business, ADL less business/leisure but works.


The service has actually been doing quite well. The Canberra Times has an article here: http://www.canberratimes.com.au/act-new ... trosk.html

The thing you have to understand is that the Singapore Airlines service is really important because it's the first airline to fly internationally to Canberra and Canberrans have had enough of transiting through Sydney and Melbourne (Sydney is especially a pain). No other airline offers this at the moment (except for Qatar in 2018 - ((we haven't heard anything more about this new service though!))) so the service is a real incentive to Qantas and Virgin Australia services from Sydney.

You mention that "there are several options to take a plane to Singapore from nearby airports" - as I've explained, that's exactly want Canberrans don't want to have to do. Yes, the Capital Express route may have been risky but there is a real market for international flights from Canberra and it's great that Singapore Airlines can see this.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - April 2017

Wed Apr 19, 2017 8:33 am

VH-YFX is on its way to Australia according to the VA Source:

Boeing 737-8FE VH-YFX commenced its delivery flight today routing Boeing Field - Lihua as VA9940. The aircraft is expected to continue Lihue - Apia - Brisbane

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/VHYFX

I wasn't aware that Virgin Australia had any upcoming 737-800 deliveries. Their Wikipedia page doesn't reflect any orders as such.
 
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Wed Apr 19, 2017 2:55 pm

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AA will downgrade SYD-LAX from 77W to 787-9 from 10 November 17 (8 November departure from LAX)

https://www.ausbt.com.au/american-airli ... y-la-route


Is that because AA are not getting the numbers they were hoping for on this flight?
 
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Wed Apr 19, 2017 3:17 pm

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Is that because AA are not getting the numbers they were hoping for on this flight?


It's because QF no longer codeshares on the AA flight. No way can AA fill a 77W (with First Class) without direct sales support from QF.
 
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Thu Apr 20, 2017 5:23 am

VA to offer PER-CBR flights.

https://www.ausbt.com.au/virgin-austral ... th-flights

According to article they will only operate when parliament is sitting and will only operate twice a week
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Thu Apr 20, 2017 8:30 am

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VA to offer PER-CBR flights.

https://www.ausbt.com.au/virgin-austral ... th-flights

According to article they will only operate when parliament is sitting and will only operate twice a week


And the point of this is? Hardly expect people to even look at using this flight , if it is only going to run sporadically during the year. Looks like another case VA having no idea yet again

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Thu Apr 20, 2017 9:13 am

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Is QF absolutely coining it with its 738s on the Tasman?

I fly on QF between AKL and SYD/MEL about 10 times per year on the 738. Usually in J; but it's not really J - the product is barely Y+ yet they charge J prices. Y is cramped right down to LCC levels. IFE is a joke. Fares are reasonable, but by no means dirt cheap. Yet, in spite of all the competition on the Tasman, the aircraft are *always* packed - it's rare there is a single spare seat.

Does anyone have any actual figures for QF on these routes? I posted this in the New Zealand forum but no one commented.


Think overall Tasman load factors are pretty good, can't think of the last time I've been on an NZ Tasman flight (widebody) that has been less than 95% full.

Agree with the QF 738 J being below standard for the Tasman, but VA's product is even worse for the price they charge.

Really don't see the need for J on the Tasman now that NZ offers PE on 777/787 services, with prices from $450 its much more value and the seat if not better is pretty much the same.

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NZ 777/787 PE Seat Pitch 41-42"
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - April 2017

Thu Apr 20, 2017 10:58 am

Cobham will be re-starting FIFO flights from ADL using RJ100 aircraft and subleased turboprops operating to Port Augusta and Prominent Hill. The previous contract served from ADL, to Moomba and Ballera, ended in February 2016.

http://australianaviation.com.au/2017/0 ... -contract/
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - April 2017

Thu Apr 20, 2017 11:16 am

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qf789 wrote:
VA to offer PER-CBR flights.

https://www.ausbt.com.au/virgin-austral ... th-flights

According to article they will only operate when parliament is sitting and will only operate twice a week


And the point of this is? Hardly expect people to even look at using this flight , if it is only going to run sporadically during the year. Looks like another case VA having no idea yet again

AN767


As the AusBT article notes several of the WA delegation are ministers or shadow ministers, they are in Canberra for meetings etc when parliament isn't sitting. The Public Service is acually a big driver of business in this market and this service is useless to them.

VA is directly targeting parliamentary traffic so by default is therefore going to be running an empty aircraft CBR-PER on Sunday and PER-CBR on Thursday as those flights won't be attractive to any one other than a handful of leisure passengers.

While my gut reaction is to say that this is sheer craziness on steroids, running four flights two of which will be empty to serve 30 or so polticians and their associated staff, it pains me to say it but VA might be on to something. There will be enough politicians who are pissed that they can't bag one of the 12 seats in Business on Qantas that Virgin can guarantee 8 Business seats sold in each direction. Anything else will be gravy.

I wouldn't be shocked if Qantas suddenly found an A330 to run on Sunday eastbound/Thursday westbound during sitting weeks to add additional Business seats ... lie flat ones at that.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - April 2017

Fri Apr 21, 2017 12:54 am

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Gasman wrote:
Is QF absolutely coining it with its 738s on the Tasman?

I fly on QF between AKL and SYD/MEL about 10 times per year on the 738. Usually in J; but it's not really J - the product is barely Y+ yet they charge J prices. Y is cramped right down to LCC levels. IFE is a joke. Fares are reasonable, but by no means dirt cheap. Yet, in spite of all the competition on the Tasman, the aircraft are *always* packed - it's rare there is a single spare seat.

Does anyone have any actual figures for QF on these routes? I posted this in the New Zealand forum but no one commented.


Think overall Tasman load factors are pretty good, can't think of the last time I've been on an NZ Tasman flight (widebody) that has been less than 95% full.

Agree with the QF 738 J being below standard for the Tasman, but VA's product is even worse for the price they charge.

Really don't see the need for J on the Tasman now that NZ offers PE on 777/787 services, with prices from $450 its much more value and the seat if not better is pretty much the same.

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QF/VA are consistant with their offerings TT compared to NZ. NZ do not offer 777/787s on all their routes and this probably frustates J traffic, so NZ will never have the same premium demand QF (and even VA) get. in fact it's probably the reason why some people probably choose QF/VA over NZ because people know what they're getting. It is also consistant with what you'd find on majority of QF/VAs domestic routes as well. In saying that, AKL is a hub for NZ so it makes perfect sense to use larger aircraft for specific flights. But if you're thinking a majority of people are going to make a decision for a 3 hour flight based on a possible 5 extra inches that you only get on one flight on some days, then you're mistaken.

Anyway, it's worth reiterating that it is a 3 hour flight and QF does not have an EK-like operation. Yes, the offering is small, but it's probably a lot better than you'd get on 3 hour flights elsewhere in the world.

Also QF have retimed their SYD-AKL flights now that QF-mainline now operate half the SYD-AKL schedule which is helping.
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Fri Apr 21, 2017 5:47 am

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QF/VA are consistant with their offerings TT compared to NZ. NZ do not offer 777/787s on all their routes and this probably frustates J traffic, so NZ will never have the same premium demand QF (and even VA) get. in fact it's probably the reason why some people probably choose QF/VA over NZ because people know what they're getting. It is also consistant with what you'd find on majority of QF/VAs domestic routes as well. In saying that, AKL is a hub for NZ so it makes perfect sense to use larger aircraft for specific flights. But if you're thinking a majority of people are going to make a decision for a 3 hour flight based on a possible 5 extra inches that you only get on one flight on some days, then you're mistaken..


Now that the 763 is gone ex-AKL NZ is pretty constant with use of the 772,77W,789 on AKL-PER,MEL,SYD,BNE,(ADL starts soon) which cover all the peak hour business services, with the A320s do extra services in between. AKL is the major Tasman market, and always will be hence the widebody services.

The J product on the 772,77W,789 is all the same, and the 772,789 have the same PE Product with the 77W currently having its PE Product upgrade to the new seat over the next few months. So the product is very consistant, If you want J/PE you would book the 777/787 service you can book these products on ther A320.

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Fri Apr 21, 2017 8:01 am

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As the AusBT article notes several of the WA delegation are ministers or shadow ministers, they are in Canberra for meetings etc when parliament isn't sitting. The Public Service is acually a big driver of business in this market and this service is useless to them.

VA is directly targeting parliamentary traffic so by default is therefore going to be running an empty aircraft CBR-PER on Sunday and PER-CBR on Thursday as those flights won't be attractive to any one other than a handful of leisure passengers.

While my gut reaction is to say that this is sheer craziness on steroids, running four flights two of which will be empty to serve 30 or so polticians and their associated staff, it pains me to say it but VA might be on to something. There will be enough politicians who are pissed that they can't bag one of the 12 seats in Business on Qantas that Virgin can guarantee 8 Business seats sold in each direction. Anything else will be gravy.

I wouldn't be shocked if Qantas suddenly found an A330 to run on Sunday eastbound/Thursday westbound during sitting weeks to add additional Business seats ... lie flat ones at that.


Or the WA politicians will just continue taking the RAAF between PER and CBR - http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/empty- ... 3c3cb9143d
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Fri Apr 21, 2017 8:07 am

Does anyone know why Airnorth E170 VH-SWO is in Poland at the moment? (https://flightaware.com/live/flight/VHSWO)


An767 wrote:
qf789 wrote:
VA to offer PER-CBR flights.

https://www.ausbt.com.au/virgin-austral ... th-flights

According to article they will only operate when parliament is sitting and will only operate twice a week


And the point of this is? Hardly expect people to even look at using this flight , if it is only going to run sporadically during the year. Looks like another case VA having no idea yet again

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Do any Virgin Australia 737-800s have back seat entertainment? Most Qantas 737-800s which run flights to and from Perth to Canberra are equipped with back seat entertainment which certainly makes the trip more 'pleasant'.
 
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Fri Apr 21, 2017 8:34 am

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Do any Virgin Australia 737-800s have back seat entertainment? Most Qantas 737-800s which run flights to and from Perth to Canberra are equipped with back seat entertainment which certainly makes the trip more 'pleasant'.


A small amount of the fleet did have LiveTV in the seatbacks, this was removed an few years ago.
 
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Fri Apr 21, 2017 8:44 am

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Does anyone know why Airnorth E170 VH-SWO is in Poland at the moment? (https://flightaware.com/live/flight/VHSWO)


Highly likely to be heavy maintenance. LOT has a maintenance facility that can service E-jets. Cobham's E190 was there last month for the same reason.
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Fri Apr 21, 2017 8:45 am

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Does anyone know why Airnorth E170 VH-SWO is in Poland at the moment? (https://flightaware.com/live/flight/VHSWO)


An767 wrote:
qf789 wrote:
VA to offer PER-CBR flights.

https://www.ausbt.com.au/virgin-austral ... th-flights

According to article they will only operate when parliament is sitting and will only operate twice a week


And the point of this is? Hardly expect people to even look at using this flight , if it is only going to run sporadically during the year. Looks like another case VA having no idea yet again

AN767



Do any Virgin Australia 737-800s have back seat entertainment? Most Qantas 737-800s which run flights to and from Perth to Canberra are equipped with back seat entertainment which certainly makes the trip more 'pleasant'.


100% non issue, I'm pretty sure that almost anyone on this flight would be carrying a device that picks up VA's in flight entertainment.
 
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Fri Apr 21, 2017 8:51 am

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Do any Virgin Australia 737-800s have back seat entertainment? Most Qantas 737-800s which run flights to and from Perth to Canberra are equipped with back seat entertainment which certainly makes the trip more 'pleasant'.


100% non issue, I'm pretty sure that almost anyone on this flight would be carrying a device that picks up VA's in flight entertainment.[/quote]

VA doesn't have in seat power or usb ports = no way to keep your device charged, not Ideal if you're going straight to an meeting off the back of your flight etc.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - April 2017

Fri Apr 21, 2017 9:26 am

zkncj wrote:
getluv wrote:
QF/VA are consistant with their offerings TT compared to NZ. NZ do not offer 777/787s on all their routes and this probably frustates J traffic, so NZ will never have the same premium demand QF (and even VA) get. in fact it's probably the reason why some people probably choose QF/VA over NZ because people know what they're getting. It is also consistant with what you'd find on majority of QF/VAs domestic routes as well. In saying that, AKL is a hub for NZ so it makes perfect sense to use larger aircraft for specific flights. But if you're thinking a majority of people are going to make a decision for a 3 hour flight based on a possible 5 extra inches that you only get on one flight on some days, then you're mistaken..


Now that the 763 is gone ex-AKL NZ is pretty constant with use of the 772,77W,789 on AKL-PER,MEL,SYD,BNE,(ADL starts soon) which cover all the peak hour business services, with the A320s do extra services in between. AKL is the major Tasman market, and always will be hence the widebody services.

The J product on the 772,77W,789 is all the same, and the 772,789 have the same PE Product with the 77W currently having its PE Product upgrade to the new seat over the next few months. So the product is very consistant, If you want J/PE you would book the 777/787 service you can book these products on ther A320.

AKL-MEL - 77W + 787 Daily
AKL-SYD - Typically 4 Daily with with the 777/787
AKL-BNE - Daily 77W


The issue with nz for someone that does tt almost every week is that the late flight that leaves Mel and often Syd to Akl after a days business is a A320. All Qf and Va flights offer a business class seat. That why I don't often take nz.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - April 2017

Fri Apr 21, 2017 9:43 am

Qantas is expected to announce launch date and schedule of PER-LHR next week

https://www.ausbt.com.au/qantas-perth-l ... -via-dubai
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Sun Apr 23, 2017 10:17 am

Fridays QF9 MEL-DXB-LHR was delayed overnight due to a technical issue

http://theqantassource.com/qantas-a380- ... yed-qf9-2/

As a result Saturday's QF2 LHR-DXB-SYD was also delayed overnight
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - April 2017

Sun Apr 23, 2017 3:25 pm

An ex-Qantas A330-200 (MSN 892) has been converted to a MRTT:

http://www.abcdlist.nl/photo/a330/mrtt039.html
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - April 2017

Sun Apr 23, 2017 11:04 pm

BAeRJ100 wrote:
CB80Scania wrote:
Does anyone know why Airnorth E170 VH-SWO is in Poland at the moment? (https://flightaware.com/live/flight/VHSWO)


Highly likely to be heavy maintenance. LOT has a maintenance facility that can service E-jets. Cobham's E190 was there last month for the same reason.


I was going to say the same. I *think* another of their E170s went to WAW for heavy mx late last year (can't find it on flightaware, so if it did happen the aircraft in question must have been back in Australia by 23 December). LOT does heavy mx work for a number of EJet operators, including BA CityFlyer.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - April 2017

Mon Apr 24, 2017 12:04 am

The Independent is reporting that QF's PER-LHR will commence 28MAR18 ex-LHR (I'm guessing a 27 March launch ex-AU). The return flight will also continue to LAX via MEL.

They're also reporting:
MEL-PER d. ~1900
PER-LHR - d. ~2200 a. ~0700+1

LHR-PER d. ~1000 a. ~1200+1
> continues as PER-MEL-LAX.

I'm guessing this means QF95 will become an evening service.

http://www.independent.co.uk/travel/new ... 97921.html
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Mon Apr 24, 2017 12:28 am

getluv wrote:
The Independent is reporting that QF's PER-LHR will commence 28MAR18 ex-LHR (I'm guessing a 27 March launch ex-AU). The return flight will also continue to LAX via MEL.

They're also reporting:
MEL-PER d. ~1900
PER-LHR - d. ~2200 a. ~0700+1

LHR-PER d. ~1000 a. ~1200+1
> continues as PER-MEL-LAX.

I'm guessing this means QF95 will become an evening service.

http://www.independent.co.uk/travel/new ... 97921.html


I guess this will also mean we will find out whether QF9/10 will be axed/changed as has been speculated. Would it not make sense for it to become a DXB terminating flight instead and then send passengers on QF1/2 for the remainder of the journey? If you were to keep the QF1/2 schedule the same, this would see a 9 hour layover in DXB for QF9/10 aircraft. MEL would still have a direct flight to LHR with the new MEL-PER-LHR service and those pax that want to go via DXB still have the option of remaining on QF metal the whole flight.
 
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Mon Apr 24, 2017 3:01 am

Qantas16 wrote:
getluv wrote:
The Independent is reporting that QF's PER-LHR will commence 28MAR18 ex-LHR (I'm guessing a 27 March launch ex-AU). The return flight will also continue to LAX via MEL.

They're also reporting:
MEL-PER d. ~1900
PER-LHR - d. ~2200 a. ~0700+1

LHR-PER d. ~1000 a. ~1200+1
> continues as PER-MEL-LAX.

I'm guessing this means QF95 will become an evening service.

http://www.independent.co.uk/travel/new ... 97921.html


I guess this will also mean we will find out whether QF9/10 will be axed/changed as has been speculated. Would it not make sense for it to become a DXB terminating flight instead and then send passengers on QF1/2 for the remainder of the journey? If you were to keep the QF1/2 schedule the same, this would see a 9 hour layover in DXB for QF9/10 aircraft. MEL would still have a direct flight to LHR with the new MEL-PER-LHR service and those pax that want to go via DXB still have the option of remaining on QF metal the whole flight.


It looks like they have altered the start date now reported as Sunday 25th of March which matches Qantas's website as no flights can be booked for PER-LHR from the 25th of March while QF1 and QF9 from SYD/MEL can be booked up to 11th of April as of today and show normal schedules.. I have my doubts that this article is correct as the schedules listed have not been worked out properly showing a 16hr flight PER-LHR and 19hrs on LHR-PER, secondly the author lists PER-MEL as a 4 and a half hour flight which is in incorrect and has also listed Perth's population as wrong as well. Also going off what QF has previously said the swing gates would revert back to domestic around 7-8pm so I would be more inclined to go with a departure around then from PER.

In regards to QF95/96 MEL-LAX schedules for NS18 show that it will have a later departure time from MEL

Schedule for QF95/96 up to 24 March 18

QF95 MEL1425--925LAX
QF96 LAX2335-910+2MEL

From 25 March 2018

QF95 MEL2240-1900LAX
QF96 LAX2355-925+2MEL

From 1 April 2018 (once MEL comes off daylight saving)

QF95 MEL2140-1900LAX
QF96 LAX2355-825+2MEL
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