TAP A330-300 Special Liveries

winterlight · Mon Mar 20, 2017 1:11 pm

TAP Portugal are due to unveil not one but two special liveries on theiir upcoming (second hand) RR-powered A330-300s.

CS-TOV will get the 1960s livery and TOW a promotional 'Stopover' scheme. What do you think?

dash500 · Mon Mar 20, 2017 1:40 pm

The retrojet will be quite impressive, being applied to a widebody aircraft. The Portuguese flag featured on the external side of the winglets was used on the fins of propeller driven aircraft.

SXDFC · Mon Mar 20, 2017 2:02 pm

Will be two good looking A330s! Although I've always wished they ordered and flew the 787. Where are they getting the A333s from and how many will they be getting?

angelopga · Mon Mar 20, 2017 2:08 pm

3x 330-300 ex SQ

SpaceshipDC10 · Mon Mar 20, 2017 4:33 pm

I wish they would paint one in this retro livery...

dash500 · Mon Mar 20, 2017 4:39 pm

SpaceshipDC10 wrote:
I wish they would paint one in this retro livery...

Love that livery... homemade by TAP!

727200 · Mon Mar 20, 2017 4:43 pm

Both those liveries will look great. Glad to see airlines recognizing their past.

A388 · Mon Mar 20, 2017 8:49 pm

Very nice indeed!!! I didn't know TP would be getting the A330-300. Where are these two A330-300's coming from? Are the actual second hand aircraft or brand new aircraft that were never taken up just like the first Iran Air A330-200? Which routes will these A330-300's be flying?

A388

airportugal310 · Mon Mar 20, 2017 9:38 pm

That retrojet is going to look badass!!

MannyV · Mon Mar 20, 2017 10:11 pm

The stopover painting scheme looks fantastic :bouncy:

ek241yyz · Mon Mar 20, 2017 10:40 pm

A388 wrote:
Very nice indeed!!! I didn't know TP would be getting the A330-300. Where are these two A330-300's coming from? Are the actual second hand aircraft or brand new aircraft that were never taken up just like the first Iran Air A330-200? Which routes will these A330-300's be flying?

A388

Reply 4 mentioned already where they're from. They're ex SQ, leased birds.

SpaceshipDC10 · Mon Mar 20, 2017 10:49 pm

A388 wrote:
Where are these two A330-300's coming from? Are the actual second hand aircraft or brand new aircraft that were never taken up just like the first Iran Air A330-200?

It was already mentioned, but here are some more details about them, all three 2009-manufactured:

https://www.planespotters.net/productio ... tus=future

A388 · Mon Mar 20, 2017 11:04 pm

Okay my apologies I must have overlooked that. Have they been stored and not flying since 2009?

Thanks

A388

Speedbird96 · Tue Mar 21, 2017 12:00 am

winterlight wrote:
TAP Portugal are due to unveil not one but two special liveries on theiir upcoming (second hand) RR-powered A330-300s.

CS-TOV will get the 1960s livery and TOW a promotional 'Stopover' scheme. What do you think?

Colour me surprised! Even I didn't expect TAP to be taking on Airbus A330-300's, assuming the lease for these came at a very good price... I will be intrigued to see where all of the other Singapore Airlines Airbus A330's will go when their leases are due.

Even so, the special liveries I look forward to seeing and will certainly look impressive... Interesting times ahead for TAP.

A388 wrote:
Okay my apologies I must have overlooked that. Have they been stored and not flying since 2009?

Thanks

A388

All 3 have been in service with Singapore Airlines since 2009.

Planespotters.net is your friend with TAP's 3 Airbus A330-300's they are due to receive. The airframes are expected to be 9V-STD/E/G... Of the 3, 9V-STD has been stored since January 2017, 9V-STE since February 2017 whilst 9V-STG is still in active service.

https://www.planespotters.net/productio ... tus=future

LXwing · Tue Mar 21, 2017 12:41 am

A388 wrote:
Which routes will these A330-300's be flying?

Most likely the north america routes (EWR, JFK, MIA, BOS, YYZ) and major south america ones (GRU, GIG), although it will finally depend on the demand.

marei · Tue Mar 21, 2017 12:57 am

In Forum AviacaoPortugal: https://xn--aviao-dra1a.pt/index.php?to ... 45?post=59

A388 · Tue Mar 21, 2017 1:50 am

Thanks Speedbird96. I was reading this thread from my mobile phone which I don't like due to the different lay out of mobile phones. So these birds are in very good condition seeing they're coming from SQ. Will TP retain the cabin of SQ (same first class product etc...)?

A388

juliuswong · Tue Mar 21, 2017 2:20 am

9V-STD was caught doing test flight in full TAP livery in SIN. To be re-registered CS-TOU.

http://www.aeroin.net/primeiro-a330-300 ... ta-pronto/

ojjunior · Tue Mar 21, 2017 11:48 am

marei wrote:
In Forum AviacaoPortugal: https://xn--aviao-dra1a.pt/index.php?to ... 45?post=59

How cool can be having this back? :bouncy:

airbazar · Tue Mar 21, 2017 12:33 pm

LXwing wrote:
A388 wrote:
Which routes will these A330-300's be flying?

Most likely the north america routes (EWR, JFK, MIA, BOS, YYZ) and major south america ones (GRU, GIG), although it will finally depend on the demand.

Well, SQ doesn't have lie-flat J seats on their A333's or premium economy so is TP upgrading the cabins on these A333's?
I would think that the most important routes would retain lie-flat J seats and premium economy,

marei · Thu Mar 23, 2017 4:37 pm

"PORTUGAL STOPOVER" livery looks better here:

If you don't see it, you have this link: https://www.facebook.com/270601957294/p ... =3&theater

PieterBoth · Thu Mar 23, 2017 8:29 pm

SpaceshipDC10 wrote:
I wish they would paint one in this retro livery...

dash500 wrote:
Love that livery... homemade by TAP!

One of my favourite airline liveries of all time!

winterlight · Thu Mar 23, 2017 8:40 pm

The golf ball as the 'o' in Portugal is a nice touch.

VC10er · Sat Mar 25, 2017 1:21 pm

For folks who haven't ever visited Portugal, my advice is "put it on your list". Lisbon and the rest of the country is a rich cultural experience on top of it's beauty and culture.

I love the retro version because I love retro-liveries, but I hope the other one "STOP-OVER" works as a great ad for the country.

A388 · Sat Mar 25, 2017 3:15 pm

I would love for TP to paint one of those A333's in the livery posted by member SpaceshipDC10 (think it is reply 4). The one worn by the their L1011's. That to me was their best livery.

A388

EK413 · Sat Mar 25, 2017 6:04 pm

I love it! Forca Portugal

Even though the frames are second hand they are relatively young.

EK413

airportugal310 · Sat Mar 25, 2017 9:07 pm

A388 wrote:
I would love for TP to paint one of those A333's in the livery posted by member SpaceshipDC10 (think it is reply 4). The one worn by the their L1011's. That to me was their best livery.

A388

Agreed 100%. Though since it was their last livery, it's probably too soon to call it "retro" but that definition varies, of course

UnitedIsBae · Sat Mar 25, 2017 9:10 pm

marei wrote:
In Forum AviacaoPortugal: https://xn--aviao-dra1a.pt/index.php?to ... 45?post=59

ITS SOOOOOO HIGH RES !!!! LOOKS NICE ON A 5K SCREEN

NearMiss · Sat Mar 25, 2017 10:06 pm

Painting that "Portugal Stopover" livery for Flight Simulator shall be a very interesting experience :biggrin:

dash500 · Sun Mar 26, 2017 3:11 pm

airportugal310 wrote:
Agreed 100%. Though since it was their last livery, it's probably too soon to call it "retro" but that definition varies, of course

The last aircraft sporting that livery was the A320 with tail number 'CS-TNE', until late 2008 - I guess. So, less than 10 years ago

dash500 · Tue May 23, 2017 12:30 pm

It looks like CS-TOV will be delivered today. Also, TAP Portugal will get an extra A333, making a total of 4 aircraft coming from Singapore Airlines. A330-243 CS-TOT has already left the fleet; CS-TOS and one of the seven A330-223 will also be phased out this year.

LXwing · Tue Jun 13, 2017 5:18 pm

The retrojet livery on CS-TOV is about to be unveiled!

Rumour is that it should come out of paint later this week and do the first flight around the 20th. CS-TOU is already in service by the way, with a normal livery though.
But possibly the 4 A333 birds won't be doing much flying to north america, as main routes should be to south america.

LXwing · Thu Jun 15, 2017 1:12 am

The retrojet has quietly come out of the paint hangar tonight!...

airportugal310 · Thu Jun 15, 2017 2:06 am

WOWWWW!!! Even better than I thought!

gatibosgru · Thu Jun 15, 2017 4:57 am

Beautiful!

airbazar · Thu Jun 15, 2017 12:42 pm

It's almost shocking that none of the news outlets in Portugal have reported this as of this morning. just lots of bickering about the new administration and the close encounter with a drone.
As beautiful as this livery is I have to question the decision to fly this plane to Brazil and Africa. This livery represented colonial Portugal and if I were Brazilian or Mozambican, or Angolan I'd be a bit offended seeing it in my country. But I guess I'm being a bit over sensitive.

LXwing · Thu Jun 15, 2017 2:27 pm

airbazar wrote:
It's almost shocking that none of the news outlets in Portugal have reported this as of this morning. just lots of bickering about the new administration and the close encounter with a drone.

There will be a special inauguration flight with some guests on the 19th, and the first commercial flight will be on the 20th, LIS-SSA at 16h40 local time.
Source: https://newsavia.com/esta-pronta-a-nova ... com-video/

airbazar wrote:
As beautiful as this livery is I have to question the decision to fly this plane to Brazil and Africa. This livery represented colonial Portugal and if I were Brazilian or Mozambican, or Angolan I'd be a bit offended seeing it in my country. But I guess I'm being a bit over sensitive.

I have to disagree. The livery represents the company colours in the 50's through 70's, not the colonial country. Brazil is independent since 1822, a while before there was even aviation... Colonial history does not necessarily represent only negative things. Apart from the odd fanatics that will always exist on both sides, these countries nowadays live very well with their common past and have learned to build on that for positive cooperation instead of resenting it. Otherwise, there wouldn't be so many cultural and economical ties between Portugal and Angola and Mozambique, for example.
The decision to fly these planes (all of the A333 ex-SQ, in fact) mainly to Brazil and Africa is purely commercial. No need for anyone to feel offended by an aircraft livery.

airbazar · Thu Jun 15, 2017 3:34 pm

LXwing wrote:
I have to disagree. The livery represents the company colours in the 50's through 70's, not the colonial country. Brazil is independent since 1822, a while before there was even aviation... Colonial history does not necessarily represent only negative things. Apart from the odd fanatics that will always exist on both sides, these countries nowadays live very well with their common past and have learned to build on that for positive cooperation instead of resenting it. Otherwise, there wouldn't be so many cultural and economical ties between Portugal and Angola and Mozambique, for example.
The decision to fly these planes (all of the A333 ex-SQ, in fact) mainly to Brazil and Africa is purely commercial. No need for anyone to feel offended by an aircraft livery.

Oh I'm sure it's commercial, I'm not doubting that but it's hard to separate that livery from colonial Portugal. That livery was used nearly from day one of the creation of TAP until 1980 and for those we lived thru it is very much associated with the colonial history. The first ever commercial flight for TAP was LIS-MAD, and the second was Lisbon-Luanda-Lourence Marques and called Imperial Air Line

dash500 · Thu Jun 15, 2017 3:42 pm

airbazar wrote:
That livery was used nearly from day one of the creation of TAP until 1980 and for those we lived thru it is very much associated with the colonial history. The first ever commercial flight for TAP was LIS-MAD, and the second was Lisbon-Luanda-Lourence Marques and called Imperial Air Line

That livery was launched almost ten years after the airline was set up and it was the third different livery/logo used by TAP. It was also the first new logo of the privatized airline. Being a long haul aircraft, of course it will fly every long haul routes of the network - whether they are associated with ex-colonial history or not.

Narrow-body aircraft of the fleet also fly to several destinations belonging to the former Portuguese colonies.

C010T3 · Thu Jun 15, 2017 4:16 pm

airbazar wrote:
It's almost shocking that none of the news outlets in Portugal have reported this as of this morning. just lots of bickering about the new administration and the close encounter with a drone.
As beautiful as this livery is I have to question the decision to fly this plane to Brazil and Africa. This livery represented colonial Portugal and if I were Brazilian or Mozambican, or Angolan I'd be a bit offended seeing it in my country. But I guess I'm being a bit over sensitive.

If you were Brazilian, you would never say something like that. The sentiments that exist between both countries are parallel to parent-child.

The native Brazilian civilizations that existed in Brazil were stuck in the Mesolithic. The ones that were assimilated into society did not carry with themselves a sense of belonging to a predecessor civilization that was annihilated by the Portuguese (and also Spaniards, Dutch and French).

gatibosgru · Thu Jun 15, 2017 5:16 pm

C010T3 wrote:
airbazar wrote:
It's almost shocking that none of the news outlets in Portugal have reported this as of this morning. just lots of bickering about the new administration and the close encounter with a drone.
As beautiful as this livery is I have to question the decision to fly this plane to Brazil and Africa. This livery represented colonial Portugal and if I were Brazilian or Mozambican, or Angolan I'd be a bit offended seeing it in my country. But I guess I'm being a bit over sensitive.

If you were Brazilian, you would never say something like that. The sentiments that exist between both countries are parallel to parent-child.

The native Brazilian civilizations that existed in Brazil were stuck in the Mesolithic. The ones that were assimilated into society did not carry with themselves a sense of belonging to a predecessor civilization that was annihilated by the Portuguese (and also Spaniards, Dutch and French).

As a Brazilian, I completely and wholeheartedly disagree. But now we're going off topic.

EK413 · Thu Jun 15, 2017 6:59 pm

LXwing wrote:
The retrojet has quietly come out of the paint hangar tonight!...

I love it

Forcã Portugal!

EK413

winterlight · Thu Jun 15, 2017 7:41 pm

Glad they went for a silver belly rather than the published grey.

C010T3 · Thu Jun 15, 2017 8:19 pm

gatibosgru wrote:
As a Brazilian, I completely and wholeheartedly disagree. But now we're going off topic.

Please enlighten us how the livery reminds you of Portuguese colonization and how that is offending to you.

gatibosgru · Thu Jun 15, 2017 8:36 pm

C010T3 wrote:
gatibosgru wrote:
As a Brazilian, I completely and wholeheartedly disagree. But now we're going off topic.

Please enlighten us how the livery reminds you of Portuguese colonization and how that is offending to you.

That is not what I said. All I said is that I disagree that Brazilians in general see Portugal as a "parent" and not an exploiter/colonizer/oppressor. I do not see the livery as colonial (and I think it looks great).

airbazar · Thu Jun 15, 2017 8:45 pm

C010T3 wrote:
gatibosgru wrote:
As a Brazilian, I completely and wholeheartedly disagree. But now we're going off topic.

Please enlighten us how the livery reminds you of Portuguese colonization and how that is offending to you.

Maybe "offensive" is too strong of a word, but for those of us who grew up in the colonies (and I am one of them), that livery represented the "colonizing power", and to this day it's still associated with the colonial era and the dictatorship of Antonio Salazar. However I do agree that the relationship between Portugal and Brazil is much different than between Portugal and its African colonies, much of it because as stated above, Brazil gained its independence a lot earlier and as a colony was never exposed to the dictatorship of Salazar.

LXwing · Sat Jun 17, 2017 10:19 pm

Just to keep the thread alive, here are a few more pics of the CS-TOV bird. The last one shows the final livery with the Portugal flag added at the front.

dash500 · Sat Jun 17, 2017 10:53 pm

The livery was already completed with the Portuguese flag and the coat of arms/shield.

gatibosgru · Sat Jun 17, 2017 10:59 pm

What a stunning bird!

ojjunior · Mon Jun 19, 2017 5:17 pm

LXwing wrote:
Just to keep the thread alive, here are a few more pics of the CS-TOV bird. The last one shows the final livery with the Portugal flag added at the front.

Love is in the air... :cheerful:

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