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clrd4t8koff wrote:Nice to see both AM & TK increasing BOS instead of reducing for a change.
enilria wrote:*LA JFK-GRU APR 1.0>0 MAY 1.0>0 JUN 1.0>0 JUL 1.0>0 AUG 1.0>0 SEP 1.0>0 OCT 1.0>0 NOV 1.0>0
enilria wrote:Sublease of slots to who?
**UA LGA-RDU JUN 3>0.6 JUL 3>0 AUG 3>0 SEP 3>0 OCT 3>0 NOV 3>0
enilria wrote:**UA LGA-RDU JUN 3>0.6 JUL 3>0 AUG 3>0 SEP 3>0 OCT 3>0 NOV 3>0
commavia wrote:enilria wrote:enilria wrote:Sublease of slots to who?
**UA LGA-RDU JUN 3>0.6 JUL 3>0 AUG 3>0 SEP 3>0 OCT 3>0 NOV 3>0
I will be interested to see what happens with these slots if, in fact, LGA-RDU is ending. As was discussed at length when this route was announcement, this seemed like a ridiculous waste of slots at LGA that served absolutely no purpose whatsoever for United's broader network. If this is indeed a cancellation, that will come as little surprise to many of us.
enilria wrote:**UA LGA-RDU JUN 3>0.6 JUL 3>0 AUG 3>0 SEP 3>0 OCT 3>0 NOV 3>0
United1 wrote:Not a sublease but part of the buildup at ORD... looks like UA is going from 14 to 17 daily flights on ORD-LGA.
commavia wrote:enilria wrote:*LA JFK-GRU APR 1.0>0 MAY 1.0>0 JUN 1.0>0 JUL 1.0>0 AUG 1.0>0 SEP 1.0>0 OCT 1.0>0 NOV 1.0>0
Is this right? If so, quite surprising. Setting aside the fact that airline commentary of late has spoken to a slight strengthening in Brazil, I must admit that it would be shocking for Brazil's primary network carrier to not link the country's most important financial center with NYC. Cancelling GIG-JFK in favor of GIG-MCO I get, but it's hard to imagine Latam exiting GRU-JFK.
wedgetail737 wrote:Two interesting that I saw... (1) The Mokulele service to both IPL and SMX have been in place for some time now. They aren't new...unless I'm missing something. And (2) It seems like WN is further reducing service at SEA, but they ended up with one or two additional gates at B-Concourse.
enilria wrote:*DL SEA-ORD JUN 0>1.1 JUL 0>3 AUG 0>3 SEP 0>3 OCT 0>3 NOV 0>3
enilria wrote:**UA LGA-RDU JUN 3>0.6 JUL 3>0 AUG 3>0 SEP 3>0 OCT 3>0 NOV 3>0
enilria wrote:WN EWR-IND AUG 0>1.7 SEP 0>1.7 OCT 0>1.7
WN IND-LGA AUG 1.9>0 SEP 1.9>0 OCT 1.8>0
enilria wrote:WN IND-SAN AUG 0>1.0
enilria wrote:WN MDW-DAY AUG 3>0 SEP 3>0 OCT 3>0
ITB wrote:enilria wrote:WN EWR-IND AUG 0>1.7 SEP 0>1.7 OCT 0>1.7
WN IND-LGA AUG 1.9>0 SEP 1.9>0 OCT 1.8>0
What's the story behind this? Did WN find a better city pair for the LGA slots?enilria wrote:WN IND-SAN AUG 0>1.0
Interesting add. They tried IAD-SAN for several months in 2016, but it didn't hold. Will IND work better?
phluser wrote:ITB wrote:enilria wrote:WN EWR-IND AUG 0>1.7 SEP 0>1.7 OCT 0>1.7
WN IND-LGA AUG 1.9>0 SEP 1.9>0 OCT 1.8>0
What's the story behind this? Did WN find a better city pair for the LGA slots?enilria wrote:WN IND-SAN AUG 0>1.0
Interesting add. They tried IAD-SAN for several months in 2016, but it didn't hold. Will IND work better?
WN is starting LGA-TPA, as B6 ended that route (for LGA-BOS) leaving only DL to cover LGA-TPA.
I find it interesting for WN to be covering it. I'd think WN would want to cover LGA-FLL first, as it opens FLL as an international gateway. The LGA-TPA market is underserved however if only DL is the only carrier.
IAD-SAN is quite different than IND-SAN, aside from the call letters looking similar. The latter is shorter and IND is the only airport for IND area, where WN does well.
keitherson wrote:Good riddance to the second EK flight. Already downgauged to a 777, that flight had HORRIBLE timings. You'd arrive at DXB at like 1am.
enilria wrote:*IB OAK-BCN JUN 0>0.4 JUL 0>0.4 AUG 0>0.4 SEP 0>0.4 OCT 0>0.4 NOV 0>0.3
nadavatar64 wrote:enilria wrote:**UA LGA-RDU JUN 3>0.6 JUL 3>0 AUG 3>0 SEP 3>0 OCT 3>0 NOV 3>0
This was a ridicilous move of UA. They have no FFs neither in LGA nor RDU, What were they expecting? I wonder if they sold those slots or are they going to strengthen other LGA routes from its hubs.
klwright69 wrote:If you recall correctly UA didn't drop or reduce anything at LGA to add RDU. No one here was sure where the slots came from. I guess with the ORD build up they needed the aircraft on other routes. It makes sense. Too bad that route didn't even last a year, it was discussed at length here.
Sightseer wrote:Thanks Enilria. Even if I don't have time to leave a comment, this is always my favorite thread each week.enilria wrote:*DL SEA-ORD JUN 0>1.1 JUL 0>3 AUG 0>3 SEP 0>3 OCT 0>3 NOV 0>3
Given all the discussion about DL's gate situation at ORD and the lack of C-Series on property, I was not expecting this for a little while still. But 3x daily A319s should suffice for the time being, though. Has there been a recent change regarding ORD gates?enilria wrote:**UA LGA-RDU JUN 3>0.6 JUL 3>0 AUG 3>0 SEP 3>0 OCT 3>0 NOV 3>0
Glad to see this is finally behind us. It was a ridiculous route for UA to be flying.
keitherson wrote:I think there's a huge bank then. Americans are just not used to those sorts of times.Good riddance to the second EK flight. Already downgauged to a 777, that flight had HORRIBLE timings. You'd arrive at DXB at like 1am.
flyfresno wrote:enilria wrote:*IB OAK-BCN JUN 0>0.4 JUL 0>0.4 AUG 0>0.4 SEP 0>0.4 OCT 0>0.4 NOV 0>0.3
OAK starting to rival SJC for new overseas destinations!
jbs2886 wrote:
Also, LGA is still restricted by slots and EWR is not. It makes sense to connect LGA to more strategic cities, like TPA (although I think FLL would be better, too, but it has more competition).
panam330 wrote:nadavatar64 wrote:enilria wrote:**UA LGA-RDU JUN 3>0.6 JUL 3>0 AUG 3>0 SEP 3>0 OCT 3>0 NOV 3>0
This was a ridicilous move of UA. They have no FFs neither in LGA nor RDU, What were they expecting? I wonder if they sold those slots or are they going to strengthen other LGA routes from its hubs.
Ah yes, UA has no frequent fliers in New York, where their fourth largest hub is. That's right.
enilria wrote:Was anybody else surprised Level uses the IB code?
CIDFlyer wrote:no surprise about LGA-RDU. it made little to no sense at all to start that. no frequent fliers or feed at either end. Delta RDU-EWR makes a lot more sense given the focus city at the RDU end.
N717TW wrote:I doubt UA had the intention of running the route long term (unless it took off unexpectedly) but it got the point across--or didn't.
N717TW wrote:UA swapped three slots that otherwise would have been running ORD/IAH/DEN
N717TW wrote:BTW, this is a also a long-time AA route, meaning UA got double duty on the harm.
hiflyeras wrote:WN dropping PDX-HOU (and SEA-HOU)...looks like time for AS to add PDX-IAH. And they're down to one daily SEA-SAN...why bother? They've already pulled out of SEA-SNA, are dropping BNA and MKE (seasonal reductions?). It seems their SEA schedule is getting less and less.
enilria wrote:LA IAD-LIM NOV 0>0.4
*LA JFK-GRU APR 1.0>0 MAY 1.0>0 JUN 1.0>0 JUL 1.0>0 AUG 1.0>0 SEP 1.0>0 OCT 1.0>0 NOV 1.0>0
LA LAX-LIM APR 0.7>1.7 MAY 0.7>1.7 JUN 0.7>1.7 JUL 0.7>1.7 AUG 0.7>1.7 SEP 0.7>1.7 OCT 0.7>1.7 NOV 0.7>1.7
*LA MCO-LIM APR 0.2>1.0 MAY 0.2>1.0 JUN 0.1>1.0 JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0 SEP 0>1.0 OCT 0>1.0 NOV 0>1.0
LA MIA-LIM APR 0.3>2 MAY 0.2>1.9 JUN 0.3>2.0 JUL 0.3>3 AUG 0.3>2.0 SEP 0.3>3 OCT 0.3>2.0 NOV 0>2
nadavatar64 wrote:enilria wrote:**UA LGA-RDU JUN 3>0.6 JUL 3>0 AUG 3>0 SEP 3>0 OCT 3>0 NOV 3>0
This was a ridicilous move of UA. They have no FFs neither in LGA nor RDU, What were they expecting? I wonder if they sold those slots or are they going to strengthen other LGA routes from its hubs.
sxf24 wrote:hiflyeras wrote:WN dropping PDX-HOU (and SEA-HOU)...looks like time for AS to add PDX-IAH. And they're down to one daily SEA-SAN...why bother? They've already pulled out of SEA-SNA, are dropping BNA and MKE (seasonal reductions?). It seems their SEA schedule is getting less and less.
I've heard WN is loosing a gate in Seattle, which is requiring cuts to flights.
hiflyeras wrote:WN dropping PDX-HOU (and SEA-HOU)...looks like time for AS to add PDX-IAH. And they're down to one daily SEA-SAN...why bother? They've already pulled out of SEA-SNA, are dropping BNA and MKE (seasonal reductions?). It seems their SEA schedule is getting less and less.
jfklganyc wrote:The ONLY non hub route that UA has flown from LGA over the past 20 years was a single daily MIA that was later moved to JFK and then dropped altogether.
They may still continue COs AUA Saturday only service.
panam330 wrote:nadavatar64 wrote:enilria wrote:**UA LGA-RDU JUN 3>0.6 JUL 3>0 AUG 3>0 SEP 3>0 OCT 3>0 NOV 3>0
This was a ridicilous move of UA. They have no FFs neither in LGA nor RDU, What were they expecting? I wonder if they sold those slots or are they going to strengthen other LGA routes from its hubs.
Ah yes, UA has no frequent fliers in New York, where their fourth largest hub is. That's right.
wntex wrote:hiflyeras wrote:WN dropping PDX-HOU (and SEA-HOU)...looks like time for AS to add PDX-IAH. And they're down to one daily SEA-SAN...why bother? They've already pulled out of SEA-SNA, are dropping BNA and MKE (seasonal reductions?). It seems their SEA schedule is getting less and less.
I know for certain that the PDX-HOU is seasonal, as well as SEA-BNA/MKE. I don't think WN is retreating out of SEA...most are reductions due to the lower demand in the Fall.
WNTex
dfwjim1 wrote:MIA to/from OMA seems like an odd one.
jb1087xna wrote:dfwjim1 wrote:MIA to/from OMA seems like an odd one.
I thought the same. I really expected to see MIA-XNA return when scrolling through the list after seeing OMA.
dfwjim1 wrote:jb1087xna wrote:dfwjim1 wrote:MIA to/from OMA seems like an odd one.
I thought the same. I really expected to see MIA-XNA return when scrolling through the list after seeing OMA.
That is surprising that AA does not do MIA - XNA, seems like it would be a good market for them.
phluser wrote:N717TW wrote:UA swapped three slots that otherwise would have been running ORD/IAH/DEN
That seems to contradict enilria's post that it came from WN (originally FL). Were these three slot pairs like new bonus three slot pairs, or cut from ORD/IAH/DEN?