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11725Flyer wrote:Many of us speculated this would happen when DL got more gates at ORD. Looks like their corporate clients couldn't wait that long.
commavia wrote:As expected, and long speculated - an obvious, logical add linking the third largest population center in the U.S. with Delta's Asian gateway at SEA. The schedules look good - well-timed for both O&D and two-way connections between ORD and Asia.
Cointrin330 wrote:Hmm....guess it makes sense, if DL is determined to continue the evolution of SEA as it's anchor TPAC gateway. The big 3 are all on busy routes like ORD-LGA-ORD, so this may work. My concern is that ORD POS to Asia will largely be captured by UA/AA and their alliance partners so opportunities may be limited there for ORD-ASIA market share.
clrd4t8koff wrote:commavia wrote:As expected, and long speculated - an obvious, logical add linking the third largest population center in the U.S. with Delta's Asian gateway at SEA. The schedules look good - well-timed for both O&D and two-way connections between ORD and Asia.
I get the O&D, but not the Asian connections. Aside from HKG what would SEA offer that DTW doesn't? Wouldn't it be much more convenient for passengers to take a quick hop to DTW then catch their flight to Asia?
klm617 wrote:Just another move as they continue to divert more traffic away from connecting at the Detroit hub when traveling to Asia in favor of flowing it over Seattle. It's a shame they have to take traffic away from one hub to make another work.
hiflyeras wrote:It's another expected poke at AS...but at AA and UA as well. That's all those two need with their own pissing match in ORD. I was pretty surprised how few mainline flights they both operate between ORD-ATL...maybe that'll change.
727200 wrote:I realize the DL Fan Boys are excited, but lets see what the response from UA and AA is. We all know they are not going to let those 'boys from the South' infringe on their territory. Plus when you have to take passengers from your 2 hubs to make it work on a 3rd...
727200 wrote:I realize the DL Fan Boys are excited, but lets see what the response from UA and AA is. We all know they are not going to let those 'boys from the South' infringe on their territory.
klm617 wrote:Cointrin330 wrote:Hmm....guess it makes sense, if DL is determined to continue the evolution of SEA as it's anchor TPAC gateway. The big 3 are all on busy routes like ORD-LGA-ORD, so this may work. My concern is that ORD POS to Asia will largely be captured by UA/AA and their alliance partners so opportunities may be limited there for ORD-ASIA market share.
Just another move as they continue to divert more traffic away from connecting at the Detroit hub when traveling to Asia in favor of flowing it over Seattle. It's a shame they have to take traffic away from one hub to make another work.
alexinwa wrote:I'm surprised with the 319. Looking at the summer schedule out of SEA the 319 is a mainline odd-ball.
laca773 wrote:alexinwa wrote:I'm surprised with the 319. Looking at the summer schedule out of SEA the 319 is a mainline odd-ball.
Actually, it's a good move on DL's part to start the service with the A319. These come equipped with AVOD IFE, where the A320s do not, nor do the M90s. If the demand is there, DL will upgauge these to 73Hs. DL is very good at adjusting equipment according to demand.
Cubsrule wrote:11725Flyer wrote:Many of us speculated this would happen when DL got more gates at ORD. Looks like their corporate clients couldn't wait that long.
. . . or the gate issues are illusory.
wedgetail737 wrote:klm617 wrote:Cointrin330 wrote:Hmm....guess it makes sense, if DL is determined to continue the evolution of SEA as it's anchor TPAC gateway. The big 3 are all on busy routes like ORD-LGA-ORD, so this may work. My concern is that ORD POS to Asia will largely be captured by UA/AA and their alliance partners so opportunities may be limited there for ORD-ASIA market share.
Just another move as they continue to divert more traffic away from connecting at the Detroit hub when traveling to Asia in favor of flowing it over Seattle. It's a shame they have to take traffic away from one hub to make another work.
Why is that every time a DL route opens up at SEA, people think it's a slap in the face at DTW. Is DTW more convenient for ORD travelers to connect to Asia, sure. Is it possible that flights from DTW to Asia are full a lot...what do you think? The ORD-SEA route not only provides an alternative connection to Asia, but to other PNW and western destinations as well, including ANC and FAI.
klm617 wrote:wedgetail737 wrote:klm617 wrote:
Just another move as they continue to divert more traffic away from connecting at the Detroit hub when traveling to Asia in favor of flowing it over Seattle. It's a shame they have to take traffic away from one hub to make another work.
Why is that every time a DL route opens up at SEA, people think it's a slap in the face at DTW. Is DTW more convenient for ORD travelers to connect to Asia, sure. Is it possible that flights from DTW to Asia are full a lot...what do you think? The ORD-SEA route not only provides an alternative connection to Asia, but to other PNW and western destinations as well, including ANC and FAI.
Because that's exactly what it is. If planes are full in the DTW Asia market add capacity there to handle the increased traffic like they have been doing ever quarter at the other hubs except for Detroit. Flying from all their other hubs to Amsterdam has increased while capacity in Detroit has decreased in the Amsterdam market. Let's all try to see it for what it really is.
klm617 wrote:Because that's exactly what it is. If planes are full in the DTW Asia market add capacity there to handle the increased traffic like they have been doing ever quarter at the other hubs except for Detroit. Flying from all their other hubs to Amsterdam has increased while capacity in Detroit has decreased in the Amsterdam market. Let's all try to see it for what it really is.
IPFreely wrote:klm617 wrote:Because that's exactly what it is. If planes are full in the DTW Asia market add capacity there to handle the increased traffic like they have been doing ever quarter at the other hubs except for Detroit. Flying from all their other hubs to Amsterdam has increased while capacity in Detroit has decreased in the Amsterdam market. Let's all try to see it for what it really is.
The amount of Asian traffic these three flights take away from DTW will be close to zero. For travellers who use ORD as their home base, how many are going to fly to Asia on DL to begin with? Despite the fanboys claims, DL has very few loyal travellers in Chicago. For the few that do exist, if they're going to China they will connect in DTW because the ORD-SEA flights are not timed well for connections to China. But for the most part, Chicago-Asia travellers will opt for non-stop travel on UA, AA, or any of the Asian carriers. All DL might get are a few low yield passengers willing to take multiple long layovers for a lower fare.
ERJ170 wrote:I don't understand what's going on here? Is this thread to try to make DTWers feel better or talk about a business market from SEA. What am I missing? This is a business route. Serving the SEA market. I have 0 reason to see what this has to do with DTW. Does everything DL have to do with DTW? HINT HINT... no.. that would be and always will be ATL...
Back to the route at hand, this makes absolute sense from a business sense and think it's great. I see this working from the SEA based DL clients...
727200 wrote:I realize the DL Fan Boys are excited, but lets see what the response from UA and AA is. We all know they are not going to let those 'boys from the South' infringe on their territory. Plus when you have to take passengers from your 2 hubs to make it work on a 3rd...
strfyr51 wrote:clrd4t8koff wrote:commavia wrote:As expected, and long speculated - an obvious, logical add linking the third largest population center in the U.S. with Delta's Asian gateway at SEA. The schedules look good - well-timed for both O&D and two-way connections between ORD and Asia.
I get the O&D, but not the Asian connections. Aside from HKG what would SEA offer that DTW doesn't? Wouldn't it be much more convenient for passengers to take a quick hop to DTW then catch their flight to Asia?
So what about passengers west of DTW? That's why they built the Pacific gateway AT SEA isn't it? To funnel Asia bound passengers TO their most Western gateway?? That's what SFO is to UAL and LAX is to AMR.. and What SEA is to DAL.
klm617 wrote:Cointrin330 wrote:Hmm....guess it makes sense, if DL is determined to continue the evolution of SEA as it's anchor TPAC gateway. The big 3 are all on busy routes like ORD-LGA-ORD, so this may work. My concern is that ORD POS to Asia will largely be captured by UA/AA and their alliance partners so opportunities may be limited there for ORD-ASIA market share.
Just another move as they continue to divert more traffic away from connecting at the Detroit hub when traveling to Asia in favor of flowing it over Seattle. It's a shame they have to take traffic away from one hub to make another work.
globalcabotage wrote:I'm sure in the next couple of years LAX, BOS, and RDU will be added. This would make ORD a large spoke in the network.
globalcabotage wrote:This is for O&D connecting the 3rd largest metro area in the US with the growing SEA hub.
I don't think many travelers in Chicago take DL to Asia given all of the flights (4x Daily NRT, 1X Daily HND, 3X Daily BJS, 3X Daily PVG, 2X Daily HKG, 2X Daily ICN, 1X Daily TPE).
I'm sure in the next couple of years LAX, BOS, and RDU will be added. This would make ORD a large spoke in the network.
wedgetail737 wrote:klm617 wrote:Cointrin330 wrote:Hmm....guess it makes sense, if DL is determined to continue the evolution of SEA as it's anchor TPAC gateway. The big 3 are all on busy routes like ORD-LGA-ORD, so this may work. My concern is that ORD POS to Asia will largely be captured by UA/AA and their alliance partners so opportunities may be limited there for ORD-ASIA market share.
Just another move as they continue to divert more traffic away from connecting at the Detroit hub when traveling to Asia in favor of flowing it over Seattle. It's a shame they have to take traffic away from one hub to make another work.
Why is that every time a DL route opens up at SEA, people think it's a slap in the face at DTW. Is DTW more convenient for ORD travelers to connect to Asia, sure. Is it possible that flights from DTW to Asia are full a lot...what do you think? The ORD-SEA route not only provides an alternative connection to Asia, but to other PNW and western destinations as well, including ANC and FAI.
ERJ170 wrote:I don't understand what's going on here? Is this thread to try to make DTWers feel better or talk about a business market from SEA. What am I missing? This is a business route. Serving the SEA market. I have 0 reason to see what this has to do with DTW. Does everything DL have to do with DTW? HINT HINT... no.. that would be and always will be ATL... Back to the route at hand, this makes absolute sense from a business sense and think it's great. I see this working from the SEA based DL clients...
Overthecascades wrote:I don't think what they do is to take passengers from your 2 hubs to make it work on a 3rd... this is a logical add to their network and it's more about the seattle hub than it is about ORD.
The ORD- hkg connection seems just ok though. West bound you'll have 5 hours which is a bit long.
rwsea wrote:Wouldn't seem to make much sense to fly ORD-SEA-HKG when there are nonstop flights on CX and UA. Same goes for PVG, PEK, and other Asian cities served from SEA.
IPFreely wrote:rwsea wrote:Wouldn't seem to make much sense to fly ORD-SEA-HKG when there are nonstop flights on CX and UA. Same goes for PVG, PEK, and other Asian cities served from SEA.
Even if you're flying DL for some reason it would make no sense to fly ORD-SEA-PEK or ORD-SEA-PVG:
ORD-SEA-PEK would have a 6:55 layover in SEA
ORD-SEA-PVG would have a 3:55 layover in SEA
ORD-SEA-HKG would have a 3:06 layover in SEA
ORD-SEA-ICN would have a 2:11 layover in SEA
I did not check but I'm pretty sure DL would offer better (faster) travel on ORD-DTW-PEK and ORD-DTW-PVG when considering the flight times.
But even this would only apply to low yield passengers willing to make multiple connections for a lower fare. As you pointed out, all others are going to fly ORD-Asia nonstop on UA, AA, or any of the Asian carriers.