Just saw that AA's DFW-SCL service was temporarily being put on a 3 class 777-200ER replacing the 788.
Previously I thought that AA was in the process of removing all the non retrofitted 777 off international routes (at least out of DFW).

Does anyone have a rundown of where the nonretrofitted 777 are still operating?

Out of DFW I can only see
DFW-FRA
DFW-SCL (Apr 4 2017-May 3 2017)
and some positioning flights to MIA.

Also when is the Estimated Time for the remaining 11 nonretrofitted 3 class 777 to be retrofitted? Any plans to streamline the business class offering as well?

They should all be in for retrofit by mid to late June

Just look at website that tracks AA fleet.

777
https://sites.google.com/site/newameric ... -777-200er

ARE The J seats in the old 3 class are the swivel ones? I love those seats on day flights and for working. The new seats are much better for sleeping.

grbauc wrote:

ARE The J seats in the old 3 class are the swivel ones? I love those seats on day flights and for working. The new seats are much better for sleeping.

The F seats in the 3-class 772 are the swivels. J on these planes are 2-3-2 angled flat and do not swivel.

What's the break down of the two seats on the 772? Am I right one seat is a mix of rear and forward facing- like the 787s?

mercure1 wrote:

Just look at website that tracks AA fleet.

777
https://sites.google.com/site/newameric ... -777-200er

I didn't realize how much progress they've already made with the 772 refurbishment! Last I checked, only a few had been done.
Well done AA!

smi0006 wrote:

What's the break down of the two seats on the 772? Am I right one seat is a mix of rear and forward facing- like the 787s?

One is the Zodiac Concept D seat, forward/rear facing mix, like the 787s.

The other is B/E Super Diamond all forward facing.

Austin787 wrote:

smi0006 wrote:

What's the break down of the two seats on the 772? Am I right one seat is a mix of rear and forward facing- like the 787s?

One is the Zodiac Concept D seat, forward/rear facing mix, like the 787s.

The other is B/E Super Diamond all forward facing.

Awesome thank you! - the diamond seat is that being fitted to all new 787 deliveries?

After June 2, the last route for the old 777 configuration will be MIA-SCL. By the end of next month, only six 777s will be left in the old configuration. The re-configuration process is at a point where last minute substitutions for different configured aircraft are more likely to be old 777s being swapped for the new 777 interior instead of the other way around. Unsure when the 777 fleet will start receiving W. I don't see it happening until after the summer at the earliest.

stevend08 wrote:

Does anyone have a rundown of where the nonretrofitted 777 are still operating?

As of June they'll be gone from DFW and will only be flying MIA-SCL and MIA-MXP. That should only take 3 frames (plus a spare or two), so I'd think the fleet site is a bit out of date (or they are really going to ramp things up quickly with the conversions) as it currently shows 10 in that configuration.

rta wrote:

I didn't realize how much progress they've already made with the 772 refurbishment! Last I checked, only a few had been done.
Well done AA!

AA announced the lie-flat refurb of the 777s nearly five years ago. 'Well done' is the last comment they should receive. The project has been a complete, multi-delayed cluster.

https://www.aa.com/content/images/about ... _fleet.pdf

Delta finished its lie-flats in J on widebodies about three years ago, and UA about a year before that.

http://crankyflier.com/2014/04/24/delta ... s-flights/

FSDan wrote:

stevend08 wrote:

Does anyone have a rundown of where the nonretrofitted 777 are still operating?

As of June they'll be gone from DFW and will only be flying MIA-SCL and MIA-MXP. That should only take 3 frames (plus a spare or two), so I'd think the fleet site is a bit out of date (or they are really going to ramp things up quickly with the conversions) as it currently shows 10 in that configuration.

As of last week of March, AA needs 9 frames: (DFW-)ORD-FCO, (MIA-)DFW-FRA, MIA-BCN/MIA/CDG/SCL. So current 10 seems about right. For the last few months, 4 frames were in the refurbishing work at the same time, and it takes about 2 months for the retrofitting. So by end of June, the number will down to probably 3 or so.

After April, non-retrofitted 777 will additionally run on DFW-SCL and MIA-MXP for a month or two.

MIflyer12 wrote:

rta wrote:

I didn't realize how much progress they've already made with the 772 refurbishment! Last I checked, only a few had been done.
Well done AA!

AA announced the lie-flat refurb of the 777s nearly five years ago. 'Well done' is the last comment they should receive. The project has been a complete, multi-delayed cluster.

https://www.aa.com/content/images/about ... _fleet.pdf

Delta finished its lie-flats in J on widebodies about three years ago, and UA about a year before that.

http://crankyflier.com/2014/04/24/delta ... s-flights/

Thanks for the link. Do you know when the first 777 completed refurbishment? I thought it wasn't too long ago. If it was only 2 years as I'm imagining it, I'm still surprised they did them so quickly.

FSDan wrote:

stevend08 wrote:

Does anyone have a rundown of where the nonretrofitted 777 are still operating?

As of June they'll be gone from DFW and will only be flying MIA-SCL and MIA-MXP. That should only take 3 frames (plus a spare or two), so I'd think the fleet site is a bit out of date (or they are really going to ramp things up quickly with the conversions) as it currently shows 10 in that configuration.

Have any idea why they are sticking one on DFW-SCL for a month?

smi0006 wrote:

Austin787 wrote:

smi0006 wrote:

What's the break down of the two seats on the 772? Am I right one seat is a mix of rear and forward facing- like the 787s?

One is the Zodiac Concept D seat, forward/rear facing mix, like the 787s.

The other is B/E Super Diamond all forward facing.

Awesome thank you! - the diamond seat is that being fitted to all new 787 deliveries?

Clarification: Zodiac Concept D seat is on the 787-8. The Super Diamond seat is on the 787-9.

The retrofitted AA 777-200ER is a nice aircraft. I travelled on one from JFK to LHR in October. The cabin looks and feels modern. The mood lighting is a nice touch. The seats were comfortable enough and the entertainment system very touch friendly and a substantial improvement over the ON system they had previously. It does feel as though it has taken AA a very long time to refurbish these planes. There are 47 in the fleet.

Slight side note - are the 767s done also?

Seems like an impressive product, if not a little inconsistent. Be interesting how long the W cabin takes to be complete. In fairness to AA the zodiac issues were out of their control

Austin787 wrote:

grbauc wrote:

ARE The J seats in the old 3 class are the swivel ones? I love those seats on day flights and for working. The new seats are much better for sleeping.

The F seats in the 3-class 772 are the swivels. J on these planes are 2-3-2 angled flat and do not swivel.

Awe thanks I like those swivels for working.

MIflyer12 wrote:

rta wrote:

I didn't realize how much progress they've already made with the 772 refurbishment! Last I checked, only a few had been done.
Well done AA!

AA announced the lie-flat refurb of the 777s nearly five years ago. 'Well done' is the last comment they should receive. The project has been a complete, multi-delayed cluster.

https://www.aa.com/content/images/about ... _fleet.pdf

Delta finished its lie-flats in J on widebodies about three years ago, and UA about a year before that.

http://crankyflier.com/2014/04/24/delta ... s-flights/

This is exactly why it is not a job well done by AA. Well into 2017 and they still have well outdated 777's flying. If anything, they didn't even do it the right way by installing rear facing seats on the refurb'd models.

There is more information, including on the various configs of seating, which aircraft are at HAECO and about routes on this Flyertalk post.

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/american ... n-104.html

Almost all of the 767s have been reconfigured - and I think those that haven't are due to be retired this year or next.

And to compound the cluster that is AA's 772 fleet, the old style 777's still don't have wifi. Completely unacceptable for a global airline. AA should've figured out a way to get them done and ASAP like Delta did. Shame on AA.

steve6666 wrote:

There is more information, including on the various configs of seating, which aircraft are at HAECO and about routes on this Flyertalk post.

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/american ... n-104.html

Almost all of the 767s have been reconfigured - and I think those that haven't are due to be retired this year or next.

This isn't a 767 retrofit thread so I expect my post to get deleted but that's another AA disaster, the 767 retrofits. How do you NOT install in-seat video in your J class cabin? The last time I got handed a tablet in a J class cabin was on a Czech Air A310 like 10 years ago. I mean, nothing worst than having the FA's collect the tablets an hour before landing. Another project AA did completely wrong.

jumbojet wrote:

steve6666 wrote:

There is more information, including on the various configs of seating, which aircraft are at HAECO and about routes on this Flyertalk post.

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/american ... n-104.html

Almost all of the 767s have been reconfigured - and I think those that haven't are due to be retired this year or next.

This isn't a 767 retrofit thread so I expect my post to get deleted but that's another AA disaster, the 767 retrofits. How do you NOT install in-seat video in your J class cabin? The last time I got handed a tablet in a J class cabin was on a Czech Air A310 like 10 years ago. I mean, nothing worst than having the FA's collect the tablets an hour before landing. Another project AA did completely wrong.

I believe the 767's are just a stop-gap until more 787's come on board. I'd presume they will be moved to South America / Hawaii runs + any leisure-heavy TATL routes.

I do agree though they should have had IFE for J and at least redone the overhead baggage bins instead of the old 1980's style they currently have in Y along with A/C jacks.

steve6666 wrote:

There is more information, including on the various configs of seating, which aircraft are at HAECO and about routes on this Flyertalk post.

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/american ... n-104.html

Almost all of the 767s have been reconfigured - and I think those that haven't are due to be retired this year or next.

Interesting info. Does anyone know if the subfleet of 6 777s with 37 ZODIAC business seats operates only certain routes, or whether those aircraft rotate throughout the system? aa.com shows all 772s with 37 business seats as having rear-facing seats, which doesn't seem like it should be true.

caverunner17 wrote:

jumbojet wrote:

steve6666 wrote:

There is more information, including on the various configs of seating, which aircraft are at HAECO and about routes on this Flyertalk post.

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/american ... n-104.html

Almost all of the 767s have been reconfigured - and I think those that haven't are due to be retired this year or next.

This isn't a 767 retrofit thread so I expect my post to get deleted but that's another AA disaster, the 767 retrofits. How do you NOT install in-seat video in your J class cabin? The last time I got handed a tablet in a J class cabin was on a Czech Air A310 like 10 years ago. I mean, nothing worst than having the FA's collect the tablets an hour before landing. Another project AA did completely wrong.

I believe the 767's are just a stop-gap until more 787's come on board. I'd presume they will be moved to South America / Hawaii runs + any leisure-heavy TATL routes.

I do agree though they should have had IFE for J and at least redone the overhead baggage bins instead of the old 1980's style they currently have in Y along with A/C jacks.

IIRC they are leaving fast, with some staying for a bit on DFW-Hawai'i and MIA-South America. Not long flights at all. They will do quite well

List of 11 remaining non-retrofitted aircraft. One appears to be in progress.

1. N771AN 7AB
2. N780AN 7AL
3. N786AN 7AT
4. N787AL 7AU
5. N789AN 7AW (ferried to HKG 17FEB17)
6. N790AN 7AX
7. N791AN 7AY
8. N792AN 7BA
9. N794AN 7BC
10. N797AN 7BF
11. N799AN 7BH
12. N758AN 7BT

MIA seems to be where AA sends their older configurations and aircraft to live out their final days.

smi0006 wrote:

Slight side note - are the 767s done also?

At least all 25 that they were planning on keeping. There are currently 24 retrofitted 767s in service after the write-off of N345AN at ORD last year. AA brought N376AN out of storage this week to make up for the loss, and she just reentered revenue service today. No idea if they'll be retrofitting an additional 767.

jumbojet wrote:

This is exactly why it is not a job well done by AA. Well into 2017 and they still have well outdated 777's flying. If anything, they didn't even do it the right way by installing rear facing seats on the refurb'd models.

This was due to issues with the original business class seat supplier. AA has since dropped Zodiac (and is taking them to court) and has replaced them with B/E Aerospace and the 777 retrofits are back in high gear.

As a traveler, I prefer rear-facing seats, but dislike the Zodiac seats in because you can feel the movement of the passenger in the adjacent seat.

jumbojet wrote:

This isn't a 767 retrofit thread so I expect my post to get deleted but that's another AA disaster, the 767 retrofits. How do you NOT install in-seat video in your J class cabin? The last time I got handed a tablet in a J class cabin was on a Czech Air A310 like 10 years ago. I mean, nothing worst than having the FA's collect the tablets an hour before landing. Another project AA did completely wrong.

They also removed the existing AVOD on the international 757s when retrofitting them with the Diamond business class seats. The tablets also aren't distributed on non-transcon domestic flights.

FSDan wrote:

Interesting info. Does anyone know if the subfleet of 6 777s with 37 ZODIAC business seats operates only certain routes, or whether those aircraft rotate throughout the system? aa.com shows all 772s with 37 business seats as having rear-facing seats, which doesn't seem like it should be true.

They rotate throughout the system, and internally, there is absolutely no differentiation between the Concept D and the Super Diamond subfleets. The Super Diamond aircraft do indeed have all forward-facing seats but AA uses the same seat maps for both configurations, presumably to avoid surprises/complaints in the event of a swap.