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NCAA Tournament Charters - 2017

Tue Mar 14, 2017 8:40 pm

With the First Four games starting tonight in DAY, and the rest of the action starting Friday, there will be a good bit of travel to and from the venues.

For DAY the next two nights, I've found the following:

All on Monday, March 13:
Wake Forest (Go Deacs!) - Swiftair 7111, 737-400, GSO-DAY
Univ of Southern California - Sun Country 8612, 737-800, LAX-DAY
Providence - Sun Country 8630, 737-800, PVD-DAY
Kansas State - Sun Country 8628, 737-800, MHK-DAY
NC Central - Miami Air 662, 737-800, RDU-DAY
UC Davis - Sun Country 8648, 737-800, SMF-DAY
Univ. of New Orleans - Elite Airways 1003, CRJ-700, MSY-DAY
Monmouth University - Xtra Airways, 737-400, ACY-CVG-DAY (I think this is accurate, but not sure why the stop in CVG. No other flights aside from the normally scheduled UA EWR-DAY flights on a ERJ-145 were going here from any airport nearby the North Jersey coast).
 
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Re: NCAA Tournament Charters - 2017

Wed Mar 15, 2017 3:43 am

All of the teams have arrived in SLC today for the Salt Lake City games on Thursday. Seven of the eight came on Sun Country:

Gonzaga: Sun Country 8679, 737-800, GEG-SLC
South Dakota State: Sun Country 8689, 737-800, FSD-SLC
Northwestern: Sun Country 8678, 737-800, ORD-SLC
Vanderbilt: Sun Country 8617, 737-800, BNA-SLC
St. Mary's: Sun Country 8638, 737-800, OAK-SLC
Virginia Commonwealth: Sun Country 8636, 737-800, RIC-SLC
Arizona: Sun Country 8691, 737-800, TUS-SLC
North Dakota: Allegiant 4401, MD-83, GFK-SLC
 
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Re: NCAA Tournament Charters - 2017

Wed Mar 15, 2017 6:39 am

Busy time for Sun Country I see.
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Re: NCAA Tournament Charters - 2017

Wed Mar 15, 2017 8:08 am

I'm surprised U of AZ did not take G4. That is who the charter with during the regular season.
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Re: NCAA Tournament Charters - 2017

Wed Mar 15, 2017 8:13 am

dsuairptman wrote:
I'm surprised U of AZ did not take G4. That is who the charter with during the regular season.


The NCAA arranges the March Madness charters.

Interesting explanatory article from the NYT three years ago. The NCAA says they spare no expense. Another article I saw said that they start planning months in advance, meeting with potential carriers, brokers, etc. https://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/24/spor ... .html?_r=0

One thing they have done with the demise of some of the crap charter carriers (and a few good ones, too) is to try to move teams in the evening, making use of RON aircraft of major airlines. For example, one article noted that WN has hundreds of aircraft available after 8pm most weeknights, but very few between 6am and 8pm. From the lists above, it looks like the charter carriers still predominate. I am surprised there isn't more Miami Air than there is on those lists. I am happy to see an established carrier like Sun Country doing as much as it is doing, and I hope that trend -- and using the majors as much as possible -- continues. The NCAA says it doesn't care about price. Good. Then don't let the fact that a CheapoCrapo36thStreet Air offers great flexibility lure you into using them instead of Delta. The kids are too valuable.
 
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Re: NCAA Tournament Charters - 2017

Wed Mar 15, 2017 2:59 pm

some others:

BUFFALO
1. Villanova (assuming 1 is them and the other is Princeton.) CPX 745 and 748 - both 734 MONDAY PHL-BUF (both on same aircraft, the plane turned back to PHL)
16. Mount St. Mary's (From Dayton) BSK614 DAY-BUF - 738 TUESDAY after the game (Wednesday early AM)

8. Wisconsin SWQ5129 MSN-BUF - 738 TUESDAY
9. Va. Tech AAY4901 ROA-BUF - MD83 MONDAY

5. CPX749 SBN-BUF - 738 TUESDAY
12. Princeton (See Villanova)

4. West Va - Apparently bussed
5. Bucknell - Apparently bussed

MILWAUKEE
5. Minnesota SCX8301 MSP-MKE - 738 TUESDAY
12. Middle TENN St. SWQ5126 BNA-MKE - 734 TUESDAY

4. Butler - Apparently bussed
13. Winthrop - SCX8615 CLT-MKE - 738 TUESDAY

5. Iowa State - SWQ5125 DSM-MKE - 734 TUESDAY
12. Nevada - SWQ5127 RNO-MKE - 733 TUESDAY

4. Purdue - Apparently bussed
13. Vermont - CPX715 BTV-MKE - 734 MONDAY

ORLANDO
5. Virginia - BSK615 CHO-MCO - 738 TUESDAY
12. UNC WIlmington AAY4601 ILM-MCO - MD83 TUESDAY

4. Florida - bussed
13. East TENN St. CPX712 TRI-MCO - 738 TUESDAY

6. Maryland - SCX8601 BWI-MCO - 738 MONDAY
11. Xavier CPX717 CVG-MCO - 734 TUESDAY

3. Florida State - bussed
14. FGCU - bussed
 
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Re: NCAA Tournament Charters - 2017

Wed Mar 15, 2017 3:30 pm

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Re: NCAA Tournament Charters - 2017

Wed Mar 15, 2017 3:31 pm

jco613 wrote:
some others:

11. Xavier CPX717 CVG-MCO - 734 TUESDAY



I think you mean CXP which is Xtra.
 
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Re: NCAA Tournament Charters - 2017

Wed Mar 15, 2017 3:32 pm

Delete post...
Beat me to it.
 
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Re: NCAA Tournament Charters - 2017

Wed Mar 15, 2017 3:40 pm

deltairlines wrote:
With the First Four games starting tonight in DAY, and the rest of the action starting Friday, there will be a good bit of travel to and from the venues.

For DAY the next two nights, I've found the following:

All on Monday, March 13:

Monmouth University - Xtra Airways, 737-400, ACY-CVG-DAY (I think this is accurate, but not sure why the stop in CVG. No other flights aside from the normally scheduled UA EWR-DAY flights on a ERJ-145 were going here from any airport nearby the North Jersey coast).


Monmouth wasn't in the First Four

Mt. St. Mary's took Miami Air 612, 737-800, MDT-DAY
 
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Re: NCAA Tournament Charters - 2017

Wed Mar 15, 2017 3:58 pm

Monday Losers

Wake Forest: LL 738 DAY-GSO http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BSK6 ... /KDAY/KGSO
New Orleans LL 738 DAY-MSY http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BSK6 ... /KDAY/KMSY

Friday Games:

SMU: Bus to TUL
USC/Providence: DAY-TUL

Baylor: Bus to Tulsa
New Mexico State: SY 738 LRU-TUL http://flightaware.com/live/flight/SCX8 ... /KLRU/KTUL

South Carolina: Bus to Greenville
Marquette: MKE-GSP

Duke: Bus to Greenville
Troy: Bus to Greenville

Kansas: Bus to Tulsa
North Carolina Central/UC Davis DAY-TUL

Miami: SY 738 MIA-TUL http://flightaware.com/live/flight/SCX8 ... /KMIA/KTUL
Michigan State:

Creighton: SY 738 OMA-SMF http://flightaware.com/live/flight/SCX8 ... /KOMA/KSMF
Rhode Island: SY 738 PVD-SMF http://flightaware.com/live/flight/SCX8 ... /KPVD/KSMF

Oregon:
Iona:

Michigan: Bus to Indianapolis
Oklahoma State:

Louisville: Bus to Indianapolis
Jacksonville State:

North Carolina: Bus to Greenville
Texas Southern:

Arkansas: SY 738 XNA-GSP http://flightaware.com/live/flight/SCX8 ... /KXNA/KGSP
Seton Hall: Swift 734 EWR-GSP http://flightaware.com/live/flight/SWQ5 ... /KEWR/KGSP

Cincinnati: SY 738 CVG-SMF http://flightaware.com/live/flight/SCX8 ... /KCVG/KSMF
Kansas State:

UCLA:
Kent State: SY 738 CAK-SMF http://flightaware.com/live/flight/SCX8 ... /KCAK/KSMF

Dayton: Driving to Indianapolis
Wichita State:

Kentucky: Bus to Indianapolis
Northern Kentucky: Bus to Indianapolis
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Re: NCAA Tournament Charters - 2017

Wed Mar 15, 2017 4:22 pm

Interesting no Eastern.
 
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Re: NCAA Tournament Charters - 2017

Wed Mar 15, 2017 4:47 pm

TUSDawg23 wrote:
jco613 wrote:
some others:

11. Xavier CPX717 CVG-MCO - 734 TUESDAY



I think you mean CXP which is Xtra.

correct
 
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Re: NCAA Tournament Charters - 2017

Wed Mar 15, 2017 4:58 pm

Added to: Friday Games:

Texas Southern: APPARENTLY WN 737 http://flightaware.com/live/flight/SWA8 ... /KHOU/KGSP
 
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Re: NCAA Tournament Charters - 2017

Wed Mar 15, 2017 5:03 pm

jco613 wrote:
Added to: Friday Games:

Texas Southern: APPARENTLY WN 737 http://flightaware.com/live/flight/SWA8 ... /KHOU/KGSP


That would be consistent with a lot of their tournament charter work the past couple of years, which has largely involved WN stations.
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Re: NCAA Tournament Charters - 2017

Wed Mar 15, 2017 5:37 pm

a few women's game

Bucknell - Bus to Maryland

Belmont - bus to Kentucky

University of Central Arkansas (vs Texas FRI) - Ameristar 732(!) http://flightaware.com/live/flight/AJI9 ... /KLIT/KAUS

@ Austin
Auburn XP 738 CSG-AUS http://flightaware.com/live/flight/CXP7 ... /KCSG/KAUS
NC State - ?

@ Starkville, MS
Northern Iowa - ?
Depaul - ?

@ Lexington
Western Kentucky - bus to Lexington
Ohio State - bus to Lexington

Troy - Bus to Mississippi State

@ College Park, MD
Elon - presumably Bus to Maryland
West Virginia - Bus to Maryland

Long Beach State (@ Oregon St) - ?

UNC Asheville - Bus to South Carolina

@ Tallahassee, FL
USF - Bus to Tallahassee
Missouri - ?

@ South Bend, IN
Purdue - Bus to South Bend
Green Bay - ?

@ Corvallis, OR
Toldeo - ?
Creighton - ?

@ Columbia, SC
Michigan St - Miami Air 738 http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BSK6 ... /KLAN/KCAE
Arizona St - ?

Robert Morris - Presumably bussing to South Bend to lose to Notre Dame

Western Illinois - (@ Florida State) ???
 
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Re: NCAA Tournament Charters - 2017

Wed Mar 15, 2017 7:45 pm

Cubsrule wrote:


Beat me to it. Woo pig sooie!

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Re: NCAA Tournament Charters - 2017

Wed Mar 15, 2017 7:49 pm

wjcandee wrote:
dsuairptman wrote:
I'm surprised U of AZ did not take G4. That is who the charter with during the regular season.


The NCAA arranges the March Madness charters.

Interesting explanatory article from the NYT three years ago. The NCAA says they spare no expense. Another article I saw said that they start planning months in advance, meeting with potential carriers, brokers, etc. https://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/24/spor ... .html?_r=0

One thing they have done with the demise of some of the crap charter carriers (and a few good ones, too) is to try to move teams in the evening, making use of RON aircraft of major airlines. For example, one article noted that WN has hundreds of aircraft available after 8pm most weeknights, but very few between 6am and 8pm. From the lists above, it looks like the charter carriers still predominate. I am surprised there isn't more Miami Air than there is on those lists. I am happy to see an established carrier like Sun Country doing as much as it is doing, and I hope that trend -- and using the majors as much as possible -- continues. The NCAA says it doesn't care about price. Good. Then don't let the fact that a CheapoCrapo36thStreet Air offers great flexibility lure you into using them instead of Delta. The kids are too valuable.



The behind the scenes of all this, is that each school submits requests and preferences for everything from aircraft size to accomodations (food served on plane, boxed lunches/dinners, which days you want to travel, etc) and the NCAA will get back to you with the best thing they can offer you.

About 3 years ago my school (I coach the cheerleaders at the University of South Carolina) started requesting evening/night travel for our charters. Since we started doing that, our requests have been approved every single time. We used to fly first thing in the morning or middle of the afternoon, and we always ended up with flight issues, weather issues, weight issues, etc. Since we started traveling 1 night early, we haven't had any issue! It's amazing how the NCAA is able to pull this all together!
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Re: NCAA Tournament Charters - 2017

Wed Mar 15, 2017 7:52 pm

jco613 wrote:

@ Austin
Auburn XP 738 CSG-AUS http://flightaware.com/live/flight/CXP7 ... /KCSG/KAUS
NC State - ?



NC State is on a Sun Country 738 this afternoon. http://flightaware.com/live/flight/SCX8 ... /KRDU/KAUS
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Re: NCAA Tournament Charters - 2017

Thu Mar 16, 2017 1:22 am

How many planes does SY have sitting around?
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Re: NCAA Tournament Charters - 2017

Thu Mar 16, 2017 1:36 am

It appears Oregon was on SCX8657 EUG-SMF today.
And in looking at FlightAware, it looks like there was a Miami Air BSK roundtrip DAY-SMF-DAY today. I don't know what that was for...if it was for UC Davis fans and the Cal Aggie Band-uh, they would have arrived DAY after tip-off. (UC Davis won, so now it's off to slaughter in Tulsa, vs. # 1 Kansas. Tough draw for their first NCAA tournament!)

Tricky scheduling: one of the SCX inbounds to SMF was then turned to position to EUG to bring the Ducks back. It looks like that plane is now (I assume) deadheading back to MSP.
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Re: NCAA Tournament Charters - 2017

Thu Mar 16, 2017 2:02 am

usflyguy wrote:
How many planes does SY have sitting around?


SY has 26 aircraft in service. The have their scheduling down to an art. They know months in advance when these charters are coming. They took delivery of 823SY (26 for the winter) within the last month and put the plane in service like the last week.
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Re: NCAA Tournament Charters - 2017

Thu Mar 16, 2017 2:05 am

Friday games updated:

SMU: Bus to TUL
USC/Providence: LL 738 DAY-TUL http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BSK6 ... /KDAY/KTUL

Baylor: XP 734 ACT-TUL http://flightaware.com/live/flight/CXP7 ... /KACT/KTUL
New Mexico State: SY 738 LRU-TUL http://flightaware.com/live/flight/SCX8 ... /KLRU/KTUL

South Carolina: Bus to Greenville
Marquette: N8 752 MKE-GSP http://flightaware.com/live/flight/NCR3 ... /KMKE/KGSP

Duke: Bus to Greenville
Troy: Bus to Greenville

Kansas: Bus to Tulsa
UC Davis LL 738 DAY-TUL http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BSK6 ... /KDAY/KTUL

Miami: SY 738 MIA-TUL http://flightaware.com/live/flight/SCX8 ... /KMIA/KTUL
Michigan State: SY 738 LAN-TUL http://flightaware.com/live/flight/SCX8 ... /KLAN/KTUL

Creighton: SY 738 OMA-SMF http://flightaware.com/live/flight/SCX8 ... /KOMA/KSMF
Rhode Island: SY 738 PVD-SMF http://flightaware.com/live/flight/SCX8 ... /KPVD/KSMF

Oregon: SY 738 EUG-SMF http://flightaware.com/live/flight/SCX8 ... /KEUG/KSMF
Iona: SY 738 HPN-SMF http://flightaware.com/live/flight/SCX8 ... /KHPN/KSMF

Michigan: Bus to Indianapolis
Oklahoma State: XP 738 SWO-IND http://flightaware.com/live/flight/CXP7 ... /KSWO/KIND

Louisville: Bus to Indianapolis
Jacksonville State: 7Q CR2 ANB-IND http://flightaware.com/live/flight/MNU50

North Carolina: Bus to Greenville
Texas Southern: WN 73G HOU-GSP http://flightaware.com/live/flight/SWA8 ... /KHOU/KGSP

Arkansas: SY 738 XNA-GSP http://flightaware.com/live/flight/SCX8 ... /KXNA/KGSP
Seton Hall: Swift 734 EWR-GSP http://flightaware.com/live/flight/SWQ5 ... /KEWR/KGSP

Cincinnati: SY 738 CVG-SMF http://flightaware.com/live/flight/SCX8 ... /KCVG/KSMF
Kansas State: ?

UCLA: SY 738 LAX-SMF http://flightaware.com/live/flight/SCX8 ... /KLAX/KSMF
Kent State: SY 738 CAK-SMF http://flightaware.com/live/flight/SCX8 ... /KCAK/KSMF

Dayton: Driving to Indianapolis
Wichita State: SY 738 ICT-IND http://flightaware.com/live/flight/SCX8 ... /KICT/KIND

Kentucky: Bus to Indianapolis
Northern Kentucky: Bus to Indianapolis
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Re: NCAA Tournament Charters - 2017

Thu Mar 16, 2017 1:22 pm

Wednesday Losers:

North Carolina Central: LL 738 DAY-RDU http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BSK6 ... /KDAY/KRDU

Providence: LL 738 DAY-PVD http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BSK6 ... /KDAY/KPVD
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Re: NCAA Tournament Charters - 2017

Thu Mar 16, 2017 2:47 pm

Cubsrule wrote:
Friday games updated:
Kansas State: ?

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N748 ... /KDAY/KSMF
 
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Re: NCAA Tournament Charters - 2017

Thu Mar 16, 2017 3:32 pm

MrNuke wrote:
Cubsrule wrote:
Friday games updated:
Kansas State: ?

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N748 ... /KDAY/KSMF


Thank you. I forgot that they were a playin team, so I was looking for a flight ex-MHK.
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Re: NCAA Tournament Charters - 2017

Fri Mar 17, 2017 4:04 am

Saturday Women:

@Storrs, CT
1 Uconn (HOME)
16 Albany - Bus to Storrs

8 Syracuse - Bus to Storrs
9 Iowa State - http://flightaware.com/live/flight/CXP7 ... /KDSM/KBDL

@ Los Angeles, CA
5 Texas A&M - http://flightaware.com/live/flight/CXP7 ... /KCLL/KLAX
12 Penn - They're too smart and must've fooled me!

4 UCLA (Host)
13 Boise St - http://flightaware.com/live/flight/SWQ5 ... /KBOI/KLAX

@ Durham, NC
7 Temple - http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BSK6 ... /KPHL/KRDU
10 Oregon - http://flightaware.com/live/flight/SCX8 ... /KEUG/KRDU

2 Duke (HOST)
15 Hampton - Bus to Duke

@ Waco, TX
1 Baylor (Host)
16 Texas Southern - Bus to Waco

8 LSU - http://flightaware.com/live/flight/SWQ5 ... /KBTR/KACT
9 Cal - http://flightaware.com/live/flight/SCX8 ... /KOAK/KACT

@Louisville, KY
5 Tennessee - Bus
12 Dayton - Bus

4 Louisville (Host)
13 Chattanooga - Bus?


@ Seattle, WA
6 Oklahoma - http://flightaware.com/live/flight/AAY4 ... /KOKC/KBFI
11 Gonzaga - Bus

3 Washington (Host)
14 Middle Tennessee State - unknown

@Manhattan, KS
7 Kansas State (Host)
10 Drake - Bus

2 Stanford- http://flightaware.com/live/flight/SCX8 ... /KSJC/KMHK
15 New Mexico State - http://flightaware.com/live/flight/SWQ5 ... /KLRU/KMHK

@ Coral Gables, FL
5 Marquette - unknown
12 Quinnipiac (my alma mater...cheap plug!) - http://flightaware.com/live/flight/AAY4 ... /KBDL/KMIA

4 Miami (HOST)
13 FGCU - Bus to Coral Gables
 
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Re: NCAA Tournament Charters - 2017

Fri Mar 17, 2017 4:19 am

Thursday losers (will update in the AM)
Mt. St. Mary's - bus to Emmitsburg
VA Tech - Unknown
Princeton - http://flightaware.com/live/flight/SCX8 ... /KBUF/KPHL
Bucknell - Bus

UNCW - http://flightaware.com/live/flight/SCX8 ... /KMCO/KILM
ETSU - unknown
Maryland - unknown
FGCU - Bus

SDSU - http://flightaware.com/live/flight/SCX8 ... /KSLC/KFSD
Vandy - http://flightaware.com/live/flight/SCX8 ... /KSLC/KBNA
VCU - unknown
PRESUMABLY North Dakota - unknown yet

Nevada - Unknown
Vermont - Unknown
Minnesota - http://flightaware.com/live/flight/SCX8 ... /KMKE/KMSP
Winthrop - http://flightaware.com/live/flight/SCX8 ... /KMKE/KCLT

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Re: NCAA Tournament Charters - 2017

Fri Mar 17, 2017 4:11 pm

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Re: NCAA Tournament Charters - 2017

Sat Mar 18, 2017 3:47 am

Friday losers:

SMU: Bus
New Mexico State: SY 738 TUL-LRU http://flightaware.com/live/flight/SCX8 ... /KTUL/KLRU
California-Davis:
Miami:

Creighton: XP 738 SMF-OMA http://flightaware.com/live/flight/CXP7 ... /KSMF/KOMA
Iona: G4 319 SMF-HPN http://flightaware.com/live/flight/AAY4 ... /KSMF/KHPN
Kansas State:
UCLA/Kent State:

Dayton: Bus
Kentucky/Northern Kentucky: Bus
Oklahoma State: G4 M83 IND-SWO http://flightaware.com/live/flight/AAY4 ... /KIND/KSWO
Jacksonville State: LL 738 IND-ANB http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BSK6 ... /KIND/KANB

Troy: Bus
South Carolina/Marquette
Texas Southern:
Seton Hall: DL M88 GSP-EWR http://flightaware.com/live/flight/DAL8 ... /KGSP/KEWR
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Re: NCAA Tournament Charters - 2017

Sat Mar 18, 2017 4:08 am

Cubsrule wrote:
Friday losers:


New Mexico State: SY 738 TUL-LRU http://flightaware.com/live/flight/SCX8 ... /KTUL/KLRU
California-Davis:


According to FlightAware, SY 8667 is operating TUL-LRU-SMF. Tell me they wouldn't have made NM State and UC Davis share the same sad plane home, would they? I don't see a TUL-SMF flight in the schedule yet.
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Re: NCAA Tournament Charters - 2017

Sat Mar 18, 2017 5:22 am

Wingtips56 wrote:
According to FlightAware, SY 8667 is operating TUL-LRU-SMF. Tell me they wouldn't have made NM State and UC Davis share the same sad plane home, would they? I don't see a TUL-SMF flight in the schedule yet.

Given that there are games being played in Sacramento, the plane is likely positioning to SMF to take another team home. Davis will get their own flight, I am sure.
 
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Re: NCAA Tournament Charters - 2017

Sat Mar 18, 2017 5:28 am

Too bad UC Davis didn't have their game in Sac. It's a 20 minute drive from campus, and on the local Yolo Bus route.

I do find the March Madness bids interesting, with teams crisscrossing the country for "regional" games. Like Sac hosting the Midwest and South Regions games, with Oregon and UCLA playing in those. But then it makes for much more interesting charter flights for us a.nuts to follow!
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Re: NCAA Tournament Charters - 2017

Sat Mar 18, 2017 3:14 pm

Friday Losers fliining in the blanks:
California-Davis:
Miami: http://flightaware.com/live/flight/SWQ5 ... /KTUL/KMIA (incidentally AA also has their weekly n/s TUL-MIA on Saturdays)

Kansas State:
Kent State: http://flightaware.com/live/flight/SWQ5 ... /KSMF/KCAK


Marquette
Texas Southern: http://flightaware.com/live/flight/SWA8 ... /KGSP/KHOU

Friday women's losers
Robert Morris: http://flightaware.com/live/flight/AAY4201
Green Bay:

W Kentucky: Bus
Belmont: Bus

Auburn: http://flightaware.com/live/flight/SCX8 ... /KAUS/KCSG
Cent. Arkansas: http://flightaware.com/live/flight/SWQ5 ... /KAUS/KLIT

Asheville: Bus
Michigan State: http://flightaware.com/live/flight/SCX8 ... /KCAE/KLAN

USF: Bus
Western Illinois: http://flightaware.com/live/flight/SWQ5 ... /KTLH/KMLI

Toledo:
Long Beach:

Northern Iowa: http://flightaware.com/live/flight/SCX8655
Troy: Bus

Elon: Bus
Bucknell: Bus

any idea where the two Corvalis teams flew from?
 
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Re: NCAA Tournament Charters - 2017

Sat Mar 18, 2017 3:33 pm

This schedule is, in general, very heavy on charter carriers and quite light on scheduled carriers and hybrids like G4 (other than, obviously, SY). I wonder whether that will change this weekend with lighter utilization of scheduled fleets. The Seton Hall DL charter, for instance, was basically utilization flying with the aircraft turning back to GSP.
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Re: NCAA Tournament Charters - 2017

Sat Mar 18, 2017 4:39 pm

Cubsrule wrote:
This schedule is, in general, very heavy on charter carriers and quite light on scheduled carriers and hybrids like G4 (other than, obviously, SY). I wonder whether that will change this weekend with lighter utilization of scheduled fleets. The Seton Hall DL charter, for instance, was basically utilization flying with the aircraft turning back to GSP.


G4 has had its fair share of service this week...I think that we also saw a bit more network carriers yesterday because we had both men and women...I'm also seeing a LOT more leaving the day after than in the past.
 
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Re: NCAA Tournament Charters - 2017

Sat Mar 18, 2017 5:38 pm

Friday losers:

SMU: Bus
New Mexico State: SY 738 TUL-LRU http://flightaware.com/live/flight/SCX8 ... /KTUL/KLRU
California-Davis: Maybe they did share with New Mexico State? I still can't find the flight.
Miami: WQ 734 TUL-MIA http://flightaware.com/live/flight/SWQ5 ... /KTUL/KMIA

Creighton: XP 738 SMF-OMA http://flightaware.com/live/flight/CXP7 ... /KSMF/KOMA
Iona: G4 319 SMF-HPN http://flightaware.com/live/flight/AAY4 ... /KSMF/KHPN
Kansas State: SY 738 SMF-MHK http://flightaware.com/live/flight/SCX8 ... /KSMF/KMHK
Kent State: WQ 734 SMF-CAK http://flightaware.com/live/flight/SWQ5 ... /KSMF/KCAK

Dayton: Bus
Northern Kentucky: Bus
Oklahoma State: G4 M83 IND-SWO http://flightaware.com/live/flight/AAY4 ... /KIND/KSWO
Jacksonville State: LL 738 IND-ANB http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BSK6 ... /KIND/KANB

Troy: Bus
Marquette: N8 752 GSP-MKE http://flightaware.com/live/flight/NCR3 ... /KGSP/KMKE
Texas Southern: WN 73G GSP-HOU http://flightaware.com/live/flight/SWA8 ... /KGSP/KHOU
Seton Hall: DL M88 GSP-EWR http://flightaware.com/live/flight/DAL8 ... /KGSP/KEWR
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Re: NCAA Tournament Charters - 2017

Sat Mar 18, 2017 9:59 pm

Cubsrule wrote:
Friday losers:

SMU: Bus
New Mexico State: SY 738 TUL-LRU http://flightaware.com/live/flight/SCX8 ... /KTUL/KLRU
California-Davis: Maybe they did share with New Mexico State? I still can't find the flight.

I'm sure this is it for UC Davis. Xtra: http://flightaware.com/live/flight/CXP7 ... /KTUL/KSMF

It must be interesting for the airlines and crews involved; all waiting around for the next gig, wondering where it will be.
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Re: NCAA Tournament Charters - 2017

Sun Mar 19, 2017 12:47 pm

Wingtips56 wrote:
It must be interesting for the airlines and crews involved; all waiting around for the next gig, wondering where it will be.


Yes, although remember that flights where the destination depends on the game outcome are in the minority. Today and tomorrow, everyone travels regardless of game results. Moreover, in some games the destination is reasonably certain before the game starts (e.g. perhaps there was not an airplane awaiting Villanova if they lost in the first round since Mt. Saint Mary's did not fly.

Saturday Games

Notre Dame: XP 734 BUF-SBN http://flightaware.com/live/flight/CXP7 ... /KBUF/KSBN
West Virginia: Bus

Villanova: LL 738 BUF-PHL http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BSK6 ... /KBUF/KPHL
Wisconsin: SY 738 BUF-MSN http://flightaware.com/live/flight/SCX8 ... /KBUF/KMSN

Florida State: Bus
Xavier: G4 319 MCO-CVG http://flightaware.com/live/flight/AAY4 ... /KMCO/KCVG

Florida: Bus
Virginia: SY 738 MCO-CHO http://flightaware.com/live/flight/SCX8 ... /KMCO/KCHO

Gonzaga: WQ 734 SLC-GEG http://flightaware.com/live/flight/SWQ5 ... /KSLC/KGEG
Northwestern: SY 738 SLC-ORD http://flightaware.com/live/flight/SCX8 ... /KSLC/KORD

Arizona: G4 M83 SLC-TUS http://flightaware.com/live/flight/AAY4 ... /KSLC/KTUS
Saint Mary's: WQ 734 SLC-OAK http://flightaware.com/live/flight/SWQ5 ... /KSLC/KOAK

Butler: Bus
MTSU: LL 738 MKE-MQY http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BSK6 ... /KMKE/KMQY

Iowa State: Bus
Purdue: Bus
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Re: NCAA Tournament Charters - 2017

Mon Mar 20, 2017 2:45 am

 
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Re: NCAA Tournament Charters - 2017

Mon Mar 20, 2017 3:22 am

jco613 wrote:

Kaiser Air out of OAK. I hadn't heard of them either, but noticed they have an inbound OAK-SMF to take Oregon (men) home.
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/KAI1 ... /KSMF/KEUG

I looked them up; they have a website. It says they do regular VIP flights to/from Hawaii, and FlightAware shows they have one in the air now: OGG-OAK.

Nice looking 737 in the photo, though they don't have their name on it. More VIP, exclusive/elusive and mysterious that way, I guess.

I also found in FlightAware for SMF tonight:
Cincinatti? http://flightaware.com/live/flight/AAY4 ... /KSMF/KCVG
UCLA? http://flightaware.com/live/flight/DAL8 ... /KSMF/KLAX
(It positions inbound from SFO tonight.)
Who would this one be? http://flightaware.com/live/flight/SWQ5 ... /KSMF/KMSP Unrelated to NCAA?

I don't see tomorrow's flights there yet, which should include Rhode Island-PVD>, Kentucky-LEX?,

Tonight also has DL in a 752 coming from SAT, I assume bringing the Sacramento Kings home from a dismal road trip. It positions to SFO late. They usually get the DL A319.
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Re: NCAA Tournament Charters - 2017

Mon Mar 20, 2017 3:51 am

Kind of surprised at WVU, Butler, and Purdue using bus transportation. It looks like Iowa State took a Miami Air charter:
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BSK6 ... /KMKE/KDSM
 
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Re: NCAA Tournament Charters - 2017

Mon Mar 20, 2017 6:44 am

Wingtips56 wrote:
jco613 wrote:

Kaiser Air out of OAK. I hadn't heard of them either, but noticed they have an inbound OAK-SMF to take Oregon (men) home.
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/KAI1 ... /KSMF/KEUG

I looked them up; they have a website. It says they do regular VIP flights to/from Hawaii, and FlightAware shows they have one in the air now: OGG-OAK.

Nice looking 737 in the photo, though they don't have their name on it. More VIP, exclusive/elusive and mysterious that way, I guess.


Kaiser Air was the flight department of Kaiser Industries (you Californians should think Henry J. Kaiser; the rest of us should think Kaiser Permanente). They were spun off from Kaiser at some point, just as Midwest Express/K-C Aviation was spun off from Kimberly-Clark. Henry Kaiser was kind of an analogue to Howard Hughes, without the crazy. They were an absolutely blue-chip, high-class, high-capability, known-among-people-who-know kind of operation for decades. I still have my doubts about the kind of procedures, training, policies, and safety-culture of teensy charter carriers flying transport-category aircraft, but these guys most likely fall very much on the far good end of the continuum; at least they used to.
 
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Re: NCAA Tournament Charters - 2017

Mon Mar 20, 2017 1:18 pm

IPFreely wrote:
Kind of surprised at WVU, Butler, and Purdue using bus transportation. It looks like Iowa State took a Miami Air charter:
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BSK6 ... /KMKE/KDSM


The line is about 350 miles, though it's a little squishy. Still, trips of less than 300 miles that can be done exclusively on an interstate almost always are bus trips.

Sunday games:

Baylor: WQ 733 TUL-ACT http://flightaware.com/live/flight/SWQ5 ... /KTUL/KACT
USC: SY 738 TUL-LAX http://flightaware.com/live/flight/SCX8 ... /KTUL/KLAX

Kansas: Bus
Michigan State: SY 738 TUL-LAN http://flightaware.com/live/flight/SCX8 ... /KTUL/KLAN

Duke: 7Q CR7 GSP-RDU http://flightaware.com/live/flight/MNU1 ... /KGSP/KRDU (right on the line for driving versus flying)
South Carolina: Bus

Arkansas: XP 734 GSP-XNA http://flightaware.com/live/flight/CXP7 ... /KGSP/KXNA
North Carolina: XP 734 GSP-RDU http://flightaware.com/live/flight/CXP7 ... /KGSP/KRDU (right on the line for driving versus flying)

Louisville: Bus
Michigan: Bus

Kentucky: Ultimate FRJ IND-LEX http://flightaware.com/live/flight/UJC2 ... /KIND/KLEX (I believe UK pays for this, not the NCAA. They also flew Ultimate up.)
Wichita State: SY 738 IND-ICT http://flightaware.com/live/flight/SCX8 ... /KIND/KICT

Oregon: Kaiser 73G SMF-EUG http://flightaware.com/live/flight/KAI1 ... /KSMF/KEUG
Rhode Island:

Cincinnati: G4 319 SMF-CVG http://flightaware.com/live/flight/AAY4 ... /KSMF/KCVG
UCLA: DL 739 SMF-LAX http://flightaware.com/live/flight/DAL8 ... /KSMF/KLAX
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Re: NCAA Tournament Charters - 2017

Mon Mar 20, 2017 7:37 pm

Rhode Island flew Swift with a stop in MSP: http://flightaware.com/live/flight/SWQ5 ... /KMSP/KPVD
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Re: NCAA Tournament Charters - 2017

Tue Mar 21, 2017 4:40 pm

Monday Women:

Syracuse - bus

California - http://flightaware.com/live/flight/SCX8675

Stanford (ROAD WINNER) - http://flightaware.com/live/flight/EJA383 (may be a Stanford charter and not NCAA)

Oklahoma - http://flightaware.com/live/flight/SCX8 ... /KSEA/KOKC

Quinnipiac (ROAD WINNER) - http://flightaware.com/live/flight/SWQ5 ... /KMIA/KBDL

Tennessee - bus

Texas A&M - http://flightaware.com/live/flight/SCX8634

Oregon (ROAD WINNER) - http://flightaware.com/live/flight/SCX8615
 
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Re: NCAA Tournament Charters - 2017

Wed Mar 22, 2017 3:13 am

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Re: NCAA Tournament Charters - 2017

Wed Mar 22, 2017 2:02 pm

To comment about why some teams fly and others bus. I was the student leader in the Cincinnati pep band from 2010-2015 and traveled with the team to the NCAA tournament games. NCAA requires that any school within 350 miles of it's tournament venue use ground transportation for travel (mileage calculated using https://web1.ncaa.org/TES/exec/miles). The travel party consists of the team, staff, pep band, cheerleaders, & mascot and there is a max of 75 passengers (increases to 100 for the Final 4). Typically, as you're seeing, most aircraft are 737s, A319s, MD-80s, etc. That is because the executives and coaches get first class (if the plane has first class seating) or at least a seat between them (4 passengers to a row in a 3-3 layout). The players usually because of height get exit rows with a seat between or a whole 3 seats to themselves to stretch out while at altitude. And the band/cheer/mascots are wedged in the back filling every seat.

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