cvgComair wrote:Midwestindy wrote:FWAERJ wrote:I'm shocked that to this day, G4 hasn't started IND-AZA.
If they can make it work from CVG (and if you want to throw in smaller markets, SBN and FWA), they can make it work from IND. Yes, WN is on the IND-PHX route and AA flies the route as well, but there's no ULCC flying to either Phoenix airport from IND. G4's success in IND has proven that legacies, LCCs, and ULCCs can compete on the same route in the IND market. What's taking G4 so long?
It's definitely surprising, but then again I really don't like G4 so I don't mind them not having an extra route. One thing I have noticed from G4, is that unlike F9 and WN, they try to avoid competing with the legacies in IND. The only route they compete with a legacy on is to SFB, and DL only flies a CRJ on that route to MCO so it is a lot easier to compete with. Ultimately, I think they will add AZA and I think they could probably make it work if it were only 3-4 times a week.
G4 has slowed its growth in Phoenix to almost nothing and has only added a few routes is the last 1-2 years (CLE being the only one I can think of, and its seasonal, plus I am not so sure it will last long). Even CVG-AZA is still only served 2x/week, and its one of the first routes they added from CVG! Even G4's upcoming CVG-DEN route will have more frequency than CVG-AZA, starting out at 3x/week. While AZA is the obvious hole in G4's network from IND, I am not so sure I see IND getting an AZA flight for the simple reason that IND already has a lot of capacity to Phoenix, up to 3x/day on WN and up to 3x/day on AA! That is by far the highest in the region (CMH has 3, CVG has 1.3, CLE has 2.6, DAY has 0, SBN has 0.3, and FWA has 0.3). I think IND would be a great candidate for G4 to start IND-BWI/EWR, as IND has a lot less competition and capacity on both routes compared to CVG, which has both routes (CVG-BWI will surpass IND once WN starts the route).
That would make sense other than the fact that routes to the northeast are over saturated right now. IND has notoriously low load factors on WN flights to the northeast, 66.3% ….. IND ….. BWI, 61.4% ….. IND ….. LGA, 64.4% ….. IND ….. MDW, 63.1% ….. IND ….. DCA, therefore I doubt that if WN can't get decent yields on those flights G4 would be able to. The only reason that CVG has those flights is that G4 has an operating base in CVG.