ETinCaribe wrote:

AF022 wrote:

Airliners have posted that EK will reduce LOS frequencies to one per day from two per day. I believe airlines are having trouble getting their cash out from Nigeria. This maybe the reason.

Nigeria will float the Niara starting on Monday, a vast devaluation is expected, so looks like many of the airlines will lose at least half of the value of their cash in Nigeria when they take it out of the country in hard currency.

http://www.bbc.com/news/business-36538379

Anyone has the list of airlines that have either stopped or reduced frequency to Nigeria?

zstpe wrote:

I see SAA also sticking it out but possibly reducing capacity

evanb wrote:

zstpe wrote:

I see SAA also sticking it out but possibly reducing capacity

SAA have already reduced capacity by switching to an A340-300 from A340-600 on most days.

GRJGeorge wrote:

JNB-LOS is currently mix of A343/A346...and possibly majority with A346 still, from October onwards it's still scheduled as daily A346. Keep in mind that SAA have earlier this year started 3 weekly JNB-ABV as well with A332, thus the slight reductions in LOS capacity. However things can change fast...with both the Nigerian economy and SAA itself being not at its best.

eastafspot wrote:

Munich – Mombasa – Zanzibar – Munich 1 weekly
DE2276 MUC2010 – 0535+1MBA 767 2
DE2277 MBA0700 – 0740ZNZ0090 – 1610MUC 767 3

eastafspot wrote:

The first RwandAir A330 route will be DXB:

WB300 KGL2020 – 0410+1DXB 332 x246
WB301 DXB0635 – 1040KGL 332 x357

If it stays like that on a Monday there will be 3 A330s (SN,KL and WB) at the same time on the apron

http://www.routesonline.com/news/38/air ... 6q4-debut/

Speaking about DXB, how is Ecair perfoming on this route?

alyusuph wrote:

eastafspot wrote:

The first RwandAir A330 route will be DXB:

WB300 KGL2020 – 0410+1DXB 332 x246
WB301 DXB0635 – 1040KGL 332 x357

If it stays like that on a Monday there will be 3 A330s (SN,KL and WB) at the same time on the apron

http://www.routesonline.com/news/38/air ... 6q4-debut/

Speaking about DXB, how is Ecair perfoming on this route?

I think RwandAir could be in a better position to start operations to DXB, and connect with me other African cities with an 321 or 739 size of aircraft. 330 seems to be too much of aircraft in the midst of current ME competition. Just the same mistake FN did by operating heavier A319s instead of E190 size aircraft. On another note, I do not understand why FN do not fly to DXB, Muscat, Doha etc

MalevTU134 wrote:

Without having any recent statistics at hand, it seems to me that the last year or so has passed without any major accidents in African aviation, unless my memory fails me completely.

• An Air Namibia A319 damaged by a bird strike;
• A South African Air Force Cessna 208 Caravan which crashed during a night flying exercise;
• A Sudan Air Force An-26 which crashed on approach;
• A Lady Lori Kenya Cessna 208 Caravan involved in a runway excursion after landing;
• A South Stone Airlines An-30 involved in a runway excursion after landing;
• A Coco Airlines An-32 involved in a runway excursion after landing;
• A Busy Bee Congo Dornier 228 involved in a runway excursion after landing;
• A Majestic Air Super King Air which was struck by a Cessna 210 which had failed to become airborne;

eastafspot wrote:

Very good idea Anik

2) Instead of last month (Feb 2017), opening of Blaise Diagne International Airport in Senegal is postponed to December 2017. Hopefully the newly of the newest ( ) Air Senegal will be the first to land there.
source: http://www.jeuneafrique.com/369998/econ ... -fin-2017/

usflyer msp wrote:

eastafspot wrote:

Very good idea Anik

2) Instead of last month (Feb 2017), opening of Blaise Diagne International Airport in Senegal is postponed to December 2017. Hopefully the newly of the newest ( ) Air Senegal will be the first to land there.
source: http://www.jeuneafrique.com/369998/econ ... -fin-2017/

Hah, you answered the question I was going to ask before I could ask it! The new (unnecessary IMHO) Dakar airport is such a hot mess. How does it take 10+ years to build a 3 million passenger a year airport? - the Japanese could build something like that in like 8 months. They should have just built a new terminal on the existing site...

vinniewinnie wrote:

usflyer msp wrote:

eastafspot wrote:

Very good idea Anik

2) Instead of last month (Feb 2017), opening of Blaise Diagne International Airport in Senegal is postponed to December 2017. Hopefully the newly of the newest ( ) Air Senegal will be the first to land there.
source: http://www.jeuneafrique.com/369998/econ ... -fin-2017/

Hah, you answered the question I was going to ask before I could ask it! The new (unnecessary IMHO) Dakar airport is such a hot mess. How does it take 10+ years to build a 3 million passenger a year airport? - the Japanese could build something like that in like 8 months. They should have just built a new terminal on the existing site...

Why unnecessary? Have you seen the location of the new airport? It's within the city (safety risk) as well as located on prime real estate territory.

usflyer msp wrote:

vinniewinnie wrote:

usflyer msp wrote:

Hah, you answered the question I was going to ask before I could ask it! The new (unnecessary IMHO) Dakar airport is such a hot mess. How does it take 10+ years to build a 3 million passenger a year airport? - the Japanese could build something like that in like 8 months. They should have just built a new terminal on the existing site...

Why unnecessary? Have you seen the location of the new airport? It's within the city (safety risk) as well as located on prime real estate territory.

The current airport is fine for Dakar's needs for the next 30+ years. It even has two runways. The problem was the extremely outdated and decrepit terminal.

Now Senegal has spent 700 million dollars on a new airport that handles 2.5 million passengers a year; that is $2800 per passenger.. That is terrible. In comparison, everyone thinks BER is a disaster because they spent 8 billion on a 31 million passenger airport; $280 per passenger. DKR spent 10x more per passenger. The ridiculous DKR cost does not include the cost of building a new toll road going to the airport since it is in the middle of nowhere 40km out of town...

MalevTU134 wrote:

usflyer msp wrote:

vinniewinnie wrote:

Why unnecessary? Have you seen the location of the new airport? It's within the city (safety risk) as well as located on prime real estate territory.

The current airport is fine for Dakar's needs for the next 30+ years. It even has two runways. The problem was the extremely outdated and decrepit terminal.

Now Senegal has spent 700 million dollars on a new airport that handles 2.5 million passengers a year; that is $2800 per passenger.. That is terrible. In comparison, everyone thinks BER is a disaster because they spent 8 billion on a 31 million passenger airport; $280 per passenger. DKR spent 10x more per passenger. The ridiculous DKR cost does not include the cost of building a new toll road going to the airport since it is in the middle of nowhere 40km out of town...

In fact, your arithmetic doesn't add up. I have no clue about the new airport, but 700 million dollars divided by 2.5 million passengers equals 280 dollars per passenger.

usflyer msp wrote:

MalevTU134 wrote:

usflyer msp wrote:

The current airport is fine for Dakar's needs for the next 30+ years. It even has two runways. The problem was the extremely outdated and decrepit terminal.

Now Senegal has spent 700 million dollars on a new airport that handles 2.5 million passengers a year; that is $2800 per passenger.. That is terrible. In comparison, everyone thinks BER is a disaster because they spent 8 billion on a 31 million passenger airport; $280 per passenger. DKR spent 10x more per passenger. The ridiculous DKR cost does not include the cost of building a new toll road going to the airport since it is in the middle of nowhere 40km out of town...

In fact, your arithmetic doesn't add up. I have no clue about the new airport, but 700 million dollars divided by 2.5 million passengers equals 280 dollars per passenger.

Oh yeah, my math is off. Well, $280 is still bad...

MileHFL400 wrote:

MalevTU134 wrote:

usflyer msp wrote:

Oh yeah, my math is off. Well, $280 is still bad...

Well, again, I have no clue whatsoever on this specific project, but 280 dollars per passenger is assuming you only allot it to the first year of passengers. Now, distributing it over, say, 30 years, which is still a conservative estimate of the useful lifespan of the terminal (and ignoring any growth in passenger numbers), we would be down to below 10 dollars per passenger. Just sayin'...

I think you need to remember that terminals are usually very dated after 20 years of use, let alone 30. In addiction to the cost of putting the terminal up the authority in charge also needs to recover the cost of operating the terminal which in some cases can be millions of dollars a year

MalevTU134 wrote:

MileHFL400 wrote:

MalevTU134 wrote:

Well, again, I have no clue whatsoever on this specific project, but 280 dollars per passenger is assuming you only allot it to the first year of passengers. Now, distributing it over, say, 30 years, which is still a conservative estimate of the useful lifespan of the terminal (and ignoring any growth in passenger numbers), we would be down to below 10 dollars per passenger. Just sayin'...

I think you need to remember that terminals are usually very dated after 20 years of use, let alone 30. In addiction to the cost of putting the terminal up the authority in charge also needs to recover the cost of operating the terminal which in some cases can be millions of dollars a year

Sure, sure. I just wanted to point out that even 280 dollars per passenger is way off the actual cost. And those costs you mentioned are usually covered by concessions from duty-free operators, airlines (landing and parking fees), passenger taxes, etc.

usflyer msp wrote:

MalevTU134 wrote:

MileHFL400 wrote:

I think you need to remember that terminals are usually very dated after 20 years of use, let alone 30. In addiction to the cost of putting the terminal up the authority in charge also needs to recover the cost of operating the terminal which in some cases can be millions of dollars a year

Sure, sure. I just wanted to point out that even 280 dollars per passenger is way off the actual cost. And those costs you mentioned are usually covered by concessions from duty-free operators, airlines (landing and parking fees), passenger taxes, etc.

Yes, we know that is not the actual cost, but it is a metric used when examining the viability of a project. Obviously, the math is pretty bad with this new airport as FRAport used the costs as the justification for its pullout in 2015. Basically, the project was 70% over budget and the Senegalese, afraid it would negatively affect tourism, would not let them raise the airport fees to cover the increased debt and operating costs to the point where it was literally impossible for FRAport to be profitable there - so FRAport left. The new airport is really just a vanity project for the former president and his Son...unfortunately Senegalese taxpayers and fliers are going to be stuck with the bill...

MileHFL400 wrote:

Qatar airways to increase capacity on Nairobi route effective 1st October. Airbus A330-200 replacing A320 on flight QR 1335/1336.

http://www.routesonline.com/news/38/air ... f-06mar17/

Seems surprising since the Kenyan government rejected EK's 3rd daily.

MileHFL400 wrote:

kq747 wrote:

MileHFL400 wrote:

Qatar airways to increase capacity on Nairobi route effective 1st October. Airbus A330-200 replacing A320 on flight QR 1335/1336.

http://www.routesonline.com/news/38/air ... f-06mar17/

Seems surprising since the Kenyan government rejected EK's 3rd daily.

I was just thinking this when I saw that because a month after denying the 3rd flight to EK (grrrrr), the government officially said they would be limiting more foreign carrier expansion in NBO to protect KQ. Not sure whether QR has just applied for the increased capacity and perhaps has yet to be approved. Did a quick check on Kayak and still showing A320 for QR1335 in November. In any case, I've avoided flying QR to and from NBO because I hate narrowbodies on anything over 4 hours and some of their A320's dont even have PTVs! If this is a sign of future upgauging then I welcome it whole heartedly.

On this rather touchy subject of protecting KQ, every time i ve travelled anywhere recently in KQ i've found them to be 30% more expensive than thier Ethiopian or ME3 rivals. Why would i travel with KQ?!

MileHFL400 wrote:

kq747 wrote:

MileHFL400 wrote:

On this rather touchy subject of protecting KQ, every time i ve travelled anywhere recently in KQ i've found them to be 30% more expensive than thier Ethiopian or ME3 rivals. Why would i travel with KQ?!

Curious to know which routes you were flying/looking at...?

NBO- DXB, NBO- LHR, NBO- FCO ( granted there's no direct route from NBO. I was going to fly through CDG) and NBO- BKK

SAAbaby wrote:

There is an existing thread for African Aviation...

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=604799&hilit=african+aviation+thread

Moderators could maybe merge the two?