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NolaMD88fan
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Re: The MSY Thread - Part 6

Mon Jul 17, 2017 5:41 pm

Here are the latest passenger and load factor stats for each route flown out of MSY. Domestic data is for April 2017, and international data is for January 2017.

On the domestic side, Alaska's MSY-SEA route had the highest load factor at 95.3%, and GLO's MSY-HSV route had the lowest load factor at 22.3%. Southwest started once weekly service to CMH and RDU this month. RDU had a 62.6% load factor, and CMH had a 41.3% load factor. There was only one day of flying, so we'll get a better idea how these perform when May stats come out next month.

On the international side, AC saw a big increase in seats and pax, but loads fell to 79.6% as capacity increase outstripped demand increase. CM right-sized ops this winter with improved load factors, but a drop in seats and pax. DL's CUN flight saw dismal loads during the month.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/19PfjR6hYCFDPcv6qhpAqs8JpN3_RRF85c2xiYRv3g98/edit?usp=sharing
Domestic stats

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1yepoGdibyiVsViWrjIcouvFnmdUNzhYuBiOo9bBPV8Y/edit?usp=sharing
International stats
 
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Re: The MSY Thread - Part 6

Mon Jul 17, 2017 6:04 pm

NolaMD88fan wrote:
Here are the latest passenger and load factor stats for each route flown out of MSY. Domestic data is for April 2017, and international data is for January 2017.

On the domestic side, Alaska's MSY-SEA route had the highest load factor at 95.3%, and GLO's MSY-HSV route had the lowest load factor at 22.3%. Southwest started once weekly service to CMH and RDU this month. RDU had a 62.6% load factor, and CMH had a 41.3% load factor. There was only one day of flying, so we'll get a better idea how these perform when May stats come out next month.

On the international side, AC saw a big increase in seats and pax, but loads fell to 79.6% as capacity increase outstripped demand increase. CM right-sized ops this winter with improved load factors, but a drop in seats and pax. DL's CUN flight saw dismal loads during the month.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/19PfjR6hYCFDPcv6qhpAqs8JpN3_RRF85c2xiYRv3g98/edit?usp=sharing
Domestic stats

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1yepoGdibyiVsViWrjIcouvFnmdUNzhYuBiOo9bBPV8Y/edit?usp=sharing
International stats


Fascinating. MSY-LAX is #1 for every carrier on the route in LF, except for DL where it is #2.
 
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Re: The MSY Thread - Part 6

Mon Jul 17, 2017 6:28 pm

Change of topic but what exactly is the plan when the new terminal opens with regards to the current terminal parking garages as well as the car rental facility? long term are they hoping to relocate the car rental facility to the north side or will they just bus people again?

i know concourses A and B are being bulldozed an d and the main old terminal are remaining... is C still on the fence about what they will do with it or is it definitely coming down too?


Also, general comment but the airport has done a really good job with the staging area for Uber etc... easiest experience ive had at an airport so far with car sharing app.. so well done MSY
 
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Re: The MSY Thread - Part 6

Mon Jul 17, 2017 7:12 pm

AFAIK, all of C from the end of the large arching roof to the end of the concourse is getting bulldozed. Haven't seen any change in that plan...
 
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Re: The MSY Thread - Part 6

Mon Jul 17, 2017 8:34 pm

We might see a new F9 route announced tomorrow. There's a big gap in the schedule in October, and they are supposed to be making many new route announcements. Already it shows MCO operating daily and the 321 returning on the PHL route.
Spread hope like fire.
 
msyflyer
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Re: The MSY Thread - Part 6

Mon Jul 17, 2017 8:43 pm

SunsetLimited wrote:
We might see a new F9 route announced tomorrow. There's a big gap in the schedule in October, and they are supposed to be making many new route announcements. Already it shows MCO operating daily and the 321 returning on the PHL route.


Sadly I think it will be a route we already have. Doubt it will be a new route.
 
msycajun
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Re: The MSY Thread - Part 6

Mon Jul 17, 2017 8:53 pm

Might be nothing, but usually the airport publishes a monthly air service update and hasn't yet done so for July. In the past when we've had new service announcements, it seems that they've delayed the update to include the new service. Could be a coincidence though.

I think there are several markets that could use ULCC competition from MSY: MSP, PHX, and SAN come to mind. Maybe F9 could be the carrier to start MKE and PDX - they've run CLE-PDX for years, a market that is similar in size and distance to MSY.
 
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Re: The MSY Thread - Part 6

Mon Jul 17, 2017 11:45 pm

It would great to see F9 expand service here some more. Agree that PHX would be a good add to compete against the WN monopoly.

In regards to LAX, now that the film industry (especially television) has started filming in the area again, the LAX numbers have improved dramatically for all carriers.
 
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Re: The MSY Thread - Part 6

Tue Jul 18, 2017 1:20 am

The five gate expansion and new opening date – February 2019 – comes as the airport has exceeded all passenger enplanement targets and added new international airlift to Europe and South America.


They must mean Central America, not South America.
us Air Traffic Controllers have a good record, we haven't left one up there yet !!
 
msycajun
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Re: The MSY Thread - Part 6

Tue Jul 18, 2017 3:38 am

Seeing new MSY-SAT 4 weekly and MSY-PVD 3 weekly so far in the F9 extension. MCO and DEN daily and PHL 4 weekly.
 
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Re: The MSY Thread - Part 6

Tue Jul 18, 2017 4:33 am

PVD is a nice alternative to BOS. Good to see a new destination being offered by F9. Not sure about SAT with WN already offering daily service there and upt the road at AUS. Still, nice to see F9 adding service here. Wasn't sure if they would even be around a couple of years back.
 
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Re: The MSY Thread - Part 6

Tue Jul 18, 2017 4:35 am

NolaMD88fan wrote:
PVD is a nice alternative to BOS. Good to see a new destination being offered by F9. Not sure about SAT with WN already offering daily service there and upt the road at AUS. Still, nice to see F9 adding service here. Wasn't sure if they would even be around a couple of years back.


It's not fully loaded yet, but I'm also seeing MSY-AUS-SAN being offered 3 weekly. Both SAT and AUS are high yielding, especially compared to DFW/DAL and IAH/HOU, so I think there is a lot of room for stimulation.
 
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Re: The MSY Thread - Part 6

Tue Jul 18, 2017 2:06 pm

msycajun wrote:
NolaMD88fan wrote:
PVD is a nice alternative to BOS. Good to see a new destination being offered by F9. Not sure about SAT with WN already offering daily service there and upt the road at AUS. Still, nice to see F9 adding service here. Wasn't sure if they would even be around a couple of years back.


It's not fully loaded yet, but I'm also seeing MSY-AUS-SAN being offered 3 weekly. Both SAT and AUS are high yielding, especially compared to DFW/DAL and IAH/HOU, so I think there is a lot of room for stimulation.



what exactly are you looking at? just curious where you are finding this information
 
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Re: The MSY Thread - Part 6

Tue Jul 18, 2017 2:23 pm

DJSNOLA wrote:
msycajun wrote:
NolaMD88fan wrote:
PVD is a nice alternative to BOS. Good to see a new destination being offered by F9. Not sure about SAT with WN already offering daily service there and upt the road at AUS. Still, nice to see F9 adding service here. Wasn't sure if they would even be around a couple of years back.


It's not fully loaded yet, but I'm also seeing MSY-AUS-SAN being offered 3 weekly. Both SAT and AUS are high yielding, especially compared to DFW/DAL and IAH/HOU, so I think there is a lot of room for stimulation.



what exactly are you looking at? just curious where you are finding this information


Frontiers schedules.
 
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Re: The MSY Thread - Part 6

Tue Jul 18, 2017 3:08 pm

msycajun wrote:
NolaMD88fan wrote:
Good to see a new destination being offered by F9. Not sure about SAT with WN already offering daily service there and upt the road at AUS. Still, nice to see F9 adding service here. Wasn't sure if they would even be around a couple of years back.


It's not fully loaded yet, but I'm also seeing MSY-AUS-SAN being offered 3 weekly. Both SAT and AUS are high yielding, especially compared to DFW/DAL and IAH/HOU, so I think there is a lot of room for stimulation.

F9 is apparently offering 1-stop, daily MSY-SAN service (starting in November?) with the stop being AUS 3x weekly and SAT the remaining 4 days. This is offered on a r/t basis.

This new service appears to give both MSY and SAN a new nonstop connection to SAT. (This will be only the 2nd carrier offering n/s SAN-SAT service.)

I would expect that eventually there will be a 2nd nonstop between MSY and SAN (competing with the WN service currently offered) -- my guess would be AS but it wouldn't shock me if NK started it -- but in the meantime, this direct/thru service by F9 is certainly welcomed.

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Re: The MSY Thread - 2017

Tue Jul 18, 2017 3:11 pm

Also seeing MSY-ISP 4 weekly - cool route!
 
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Re: The MSY Thread - 2017

Tue Jul 18, 2017 5:00 pm

msycajun wrote:
Also seeing MSY-ISP 4 weekly - cool route!


is that long island? if so when does it start?
 
msycajun
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Re: The MSY Thread - 2017

Tue Jul 18, 2017 5:03 pm

DJSNOLA wrote:
msycajun wrote:
Also seeing MSY-ISP 4 weekly - cool route!


is that long island? if so when does it start?


Yes, starts October 6. I figured we'd get ULCC to New York soon, but ISP is a pleasant surprise, considering how bad things are at LGA and JFK.
 
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Re: The MSY Thread - 2017

Tue Jul 18, 2017 5:06 pm

Was definitely not expecting to see ISP. Nice alternative airport to the craziness that is LGA and JFK. F9 is certainly being bold on trying different routes.
 
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Re: The MSY Thread - 2017

Tue Jul 18, 2017 5:37 pm

NolaMD88fan wrote:
Was definitely not expecting to see ISP. Nice alternative airport to the craziness that is LGA and JFK. F9 is certainly being bold on trying different routes.



didnt they try trenton before? or was that air tran?
 
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Re: The MSY Thread - 2017

Tue Jul 18, 2017 5:51 pm

NolaMD88fan wrote:
Was definitely not expecting to see ISP. Nice alternative airport to the craziness that is LGA and JFK. F9 is certainly being bold on trying different routes.


Also if im correct new orleans is farthest destination someone can fly from Long Island too?
 
msycajun
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Re: The MSY Thread - 2017

Tue Jul 18, 2017 5:54 pm

DJSNOLA wrote:
NolaMD88fan wrote:
Was definitely not expecting to see ISP. Nice alternative airport to the craziness that is LGA and JFK. F9 is certainly being bold on trying different routes.



didnt they try trenton before? or was that air tran?


They did, a few years ago when Trenton first started. I think it was only 2 or 3 weekly - not a very good schedule and Trenton did not have much infrastructure at the time. At least PVD and ISP have large populations and transit nearby.
 
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Re: The MSY Thread - 2017

Tue Jul 18, 2017 6:27 pm

Alaska is making a big expansion push in Portland, surely a New Orleans flight is on the radar soon?
 
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Re: The MSY Thread - 2017

Tue Jul 18, 2017 6:40 pm

DJSNOLA wrote:
NolaMD88fan wrote:
Was definitely not expecting to see ISP. Nice alternative airport to the craziness that is LGA and JFK. F9 is certainly being bold on trying different routes.


Also if im correct new orleans is farthest destination someone can fly from Long Island too?


No. SJU.
 
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Re: The MSY Thread - 2017

Tue Jul 18, 2017 6:42 pm

DJSNOLA wrote:
Alaska is making a big expansion push in Portland, surely a New Orleans flight is on the radar soon?


Well, you have to look at what that expansion is. Its predominately E175s, which cannot reach to MSY. There have been some large markets added or expanded otherwise.

MSY-PDX will be a while as Alaska also has MSY-SFO starting. SEA, PDX and SFO will all compete for connecting traffic.
 
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Re: The MSY Thread - 2017

Tue Jul 18, 2017 6:48 pm

jbs2886 wrote:
DJSNOLA wrote:
Alaska is making a big expansion push in Portland, surely a New Orleans flight is on the radar soon?


Well, you have to look at what that expansion is. Its predominately E175s, which cannot reach to MSY. There have been some large markets added or expanded otherwise.

MSY-PDX will be a while as Alaska also has MSY-SFO starting. SEA, PDX and SFO will all compete for connecting traffic.


so you think Southwest instead?
 
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Re: The MSY Thread - 2017

Tue Jul 18, 2017 6:54 pm

DJSNOLA wrote:
jbs2886 wrote:
DJSNOLA wrote:
Alaska is making a big expansion push in Portland, surely a New Orleans flight is on the radar soon?


Well, you have to look at what that expansion is. Its predominately E175s, which cannot reach to MSY. There have been some large markets added or expanded otherwise.

MSY-PDX will be a while as Alaska also has MSY-SFO starting. SEA, PDX and SFO will all compete for connecting traffic.


so you think Southwest instead?


No. Just because AS may not start it doesn't mean WN will. WN hasn't been expanding much in the PNW and is generally more averse to very long flights, which PDX and SEA would be.

I just don't see these happening anytime soon. There's been a lot of expansion and LFs are down. We need to get current flights stable and increasing and then worry about adding even more new markets.
 
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Re: The MSY Thread - 2017

Tue Jul 18, 2017 9:14 pm

jbs2886 wrote:
DJSNOLA wrote:
NolaMD88fan wrote:
Was definitely not expecting to see ISP. Nice alternative airport to the craziness that is LGA and JFK. F9 is certainly being bold on trying different routes.


Also if im correct new orleans is farthest destination someone can fly from Long Island too?


No. SJU.



well furthest non seasonal flight
 
DJSNOLA
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Re: The MSY Thread - 2017

Tue Jul 18, 2017 9:17 pm

Change of topic but any news on Glo.. the website acts like nothing is going on but isnt flight service suspended for now?
 
msycajun
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Re: The MSY Thread - 2017

Tue Jul 18, 2017 9:22 pm

jbs2886 wrote:
DJSNOLA wrote:
Alaska is making a big expansion push in Portland, surely a New Orleans flight is on the radar soon?


Well, you have to look at what that expansion is. Its predominately E175s, which cannot reach to MSY. There have been some large markets added or expanded otherwise.

MSY-PDX will be a while as Alaska also has MSY-SFO starting. SEA, PDX and SFO will all compete for connecting traffic.


SEA and SFO are both poorly timed for all but a few connections as they both leave the west coast in the morning and arrive late at night. Those flights are all about O&D. If they ran an evening or redeye PDX-MSY with a morning MSY-PDX, it would compliment the others nicely.

MSY and BNA are the largest unserved markets from PDX, so it's only a matter of time. MSY was about 115 PDEW in Q2 16, so assuming it continues growing, a spring 2018 should be doable or for sure 2019.
 
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Re: The MSY Thread - 2017

Tue Jul 18, 2017 9:29 pm

msycajun wrote:
jbs2886 wrote:
DJSNOLA wrote:
Alaska is making a big expansion push in Portland, surely a New Orleans flight is on the radar soon?


Well, you have to look at what that expansion is. Its predominately E175s, which cannot reach to MSY. There have been some large markets added or expanded otherwise.

MSY-PDX will be a while as Alaska also has MSY-SFO starting. SEA, PDX and SFO will all compete for connecting traffic.


SEA and SFO are both poorly timed for all but a few connections as they both leave the west coast in the morning and arrive late at night. Those flights are all about O&D. If they ran an evening or redeye PDX-MSY with a morning MSY-PDX, it would compliment the others nicely.

MSY and BNA are the largest unserved markets from PDX, so it's only a matter of time. MSY was about 115 PDEW in Q2 16, so assuming it continues growing, a spring 2018 should be doable or for sure 2019.



this was my point on portland.. its just a large market underserved that would def grow if we had direct connections... i dont suppose alaska could try a direct route with a stop in between to refuel (maybe alberquerque or salt lake city? Either way its likely Nashville and NOLA would be added at the same time
 
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Re: The MSY Thread - 2017

Tue Jul 18, 2017 9:34 pm

DJSNOLA wrote:
msycajun wrote:
jbs2886 wrote:

Well, you have to look at what that expansion is. Its predominately E175s, which cannot reach to MSY. There have been some large markets added or expanded otherwise.

MSY-PDX will be a while as Alaska also has MSY-SFO starting. SEA, PDX and SFO will all compete for connecting traffic.


SEA and SFO are both poorly timed for all but a few connections as they both leave the west coast in the morning and arrive late at night. Those flights are all about O&D. If they ran an evening or redeye PDX-MSY with a morning MSY-PDX, it would compliment the others nicely.

MSY and BNA are the largest unserved markets from PDX, so it's only a matter of time. MSY was about 115 PDEW in Q2 16, so assuming it continues growing, a spring 2018 should be doable or for sure 2019.



this was my point on portland.. its just a large market underserved that would def grow if we had direct connections... i dont suppose alaska could try a direct route with a stop in between to refuel (maybe alberquerque or salt lake city?


Airlines don't do fuel stop flights, far too expensive (ABQ is way out of the way anyways). It can be done non-stop with a 737 or A320 series. I think it is coming, but not in the near future.

Re: connections, there are some, its not timed to hit everything though because it can't geographically efficiently serve much connections from MSY. Either way, while O&D is the most important and vast majority of the flight, the marginal connections are important.
 
NolaMD88fan
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Re: The MSY Thread - 2017

Wed Jul 19, 2017 2:08 am

I just found British stats that are updated for the LHR-MSY route. https://www.caa.co.uk/Data-and-analysis ... port-data/

April had a load factor of 84.7% with 6,163 pax
May had a load factor of 76.6% with 5,905 pax
June had a load factor of 80.6% with 5,863 pax.

Great start for the route.
 
jbs2886
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Re: The MSY Thread - 2017

Wed Jul 19, 2017 2:15 am

NolaMD88fan wrote:
I just found British stats that are updated for the LHR-MSY route. https://www.caa.co.uk/Data-and-analysis ... port-data/

April had a load factor of 84.7% with 6,163 pax
May had a load factor of 76.6% with 5,905 pax
June had a load factor of 80.6% with 5,863 pax.

Great start for the route.


For reference, BA's North America load factors were as follows:

April: 83%
May: 82.6%
June: 87.3%

Good April, May and June have a bit to go, but I suspect that's decent for a new route.
 
LightningZ71
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Re: The MSY Thread - 2017

Wed Jul 19, 2017 5:51 am

Noticed this afternoon that all three of GLO's birds were parked over behind concourse A. Is this it for their ops?
 
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Re: The MSY Thread - 2017

Wed Jul 19, 2017 3:36 pm

Yes, GLO is not currently operating. Corporate Flight Management still owns those planes, so I wouldn't be shocked to see them heading back to the CFM base in Tennessee soon since the contract with GLO has not been renewed. I honestly don't see GLO finding a new aircraft partner anytime soon. It was a nice try on the part of the GLO team, but the demand just wasn't there to be profitable. Load factors of 40% are not going to turn a profit anytime soon.
 
msycajun
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Re: The MSY Thread - 2017

Wed Jul 19, 2017 11:26 pm

NolaMD88fan wrote:
Yes, GLO is not currently operating. Corporate Flight Management still owns those planes, so I wouldn't be shocked to see them heading back to the CFM base in Tennessee soon since the contract with GLO has not been renewed. I honestly don't see GLO finding a new aircraft partner anytime soon. It was a nice try on the part of the GLO team, but the demand just wasn't there to be profitable. Load factors of 40% are not going to turn a profit anytime soon.


Could be wrong, but I thought GLO leased the planes themselves and CFM only operated them. Theoretically, they could use the same planes if they found another operator.

In other news...On the av board agenda for tomorrow is an item "Introduction of Special Guests/Special Recognition." Any ideas on what that's about? The last time I saw something like that on the agenda was when BA made its announcement. MT just announced SEA and was rumored to be considering MSY. I doubt it would be for the Frontier announcement.

[url][url]http://www.flymsy.com/Files/Publications/JulyFINAL.pdf[/url][/url]
 
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Re: The MSY Thread - 2017

Thu Jul 20, 2017 3:20 am

The announcement is for the new CFO. My friend Carmen has been acting CFO for quite a while.

I'm 99% certain those planes were being leased from CFM, and they also provided the staffing and maintenance for a fee. Sad to say, but GLO is likely never going to fly again. That's the harsh reality of the airline industry.
 
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Re: The MSY Thread - 2017

Thu Jul 20, 2017 1:40 pm

NolaMD88fan wrote:
The announcement is for the new CFO. My friend Carmen has been acting CFO for quite a while.

I'm 99% certain those planes were being leased from CFM, and they also provided the staffing and maintenance for a fee. Sad to say, but GLO is likely never going to fly again. That's the harsh reality of the airline industry.


even if the business was to operate again it would probably be best to rebrand... people dont forget when something is unreliable
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