I'm hoping that ZW will rejoin the family they left and fly some of the United owned E175's in the future.

commavia wrote:

To each their own, I suppose. As said, personally, I would take an ERJ - 135, 140 or 145 - any day of the week over a CRJ200. For me, that's a huge improvement in comfort. Not to mention - versus where AA's network is today, it's only a reactivation of 14 ERJ140 frames, as compared to the 62 CRJ200s leaving. The vast majority of the Air Wisconsin capacity is going to be backfilled not with ERJ140s but with 2-class RJs.

From the standpoint of the guy who has to load the thing, I'd rather see an ERJ pull up than a CR2. The ONLY thing that's better about a CR2 than an ERJ is the shape of the bin. Pretty much everything else (height of the wing, position of the wing relative to the bin, towbar hookups) is a pain in the hindquarters.

commavia wrote:

jbs2886 wrote:

Only 14? Also, not sure how that capacity will be replaced by 2-class RJs as there are only about 10 orders left? You're usually in the know so I'm curious what we are missing (for example, envoy getting options exercised on the 175s).

The April 11 Investor Update has the entire rundown:

"In 2017, the Company expects to reduce the regional fleet count by 13 aircraft, including the addition of 31 CRJ700 aircraft, 20 E175 aircraft and 7 ERJ140 aircraft, as well as the reduction of 52 CRJ200 aircraft and 19 Dash 8-100 aircraft."

Note: the net increase of 7 ER140 aircraft is versus 31 December 2016, but by 31 March 2017 that count was down to only 6, but will be back up to 20 by 31 December 2017, and thus the aforementioned net increase of 14 aircraft versus today. So overall, by year end, the plan is for AA to reduce the proportion of its regional fleet operated by single-cabin aircraft from 47% to 37%.

Looks like ExpressJet and Republic contracts. https://t.co/CJFlJdA3ZW

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lowfareair wrote:

Unfortunately, this will probably mean further reductions in PHL, Air Wisconsin's largest base and the airport that has seen the biggest reduction in departures due to 50 seaters leaving the fleet. Has AA said what will be replacing these CRJs?

Maybe not. American is converting the Piedmont operation from Dash8's to Embraer 145's transferred from Envoy, and those are still 50 seaters. Piedmont is planning a major increase in flying, so will be able to easily take over the Air Wisconsin stuff.

superjeff wrote:

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lowfareair wrote:

Unfortunately, this will probably mean further reductions in PHL, Air Wisconsin's largest base and the airport that has seen the biggest reduction in departures due to 50 seaters leaving the fleet. Has AA said what will be replacing these CRJs?

Maybe not. American is converting the Piedmont operation from Dash8's to Embraer 145's transferred from Envoy, and those are still 50 seaters. Piedmont is planning a major increase in flying, so will be able to easily take over the Air Wisconsin stuff.

Well it remains to be seen. As I mentioned, yesterday there were already ~43 Piedmont 145 flights into PHL. Today there are 73 AWI into PHL. Not that there will be a 1:1 replacement of flights, especially with any larger RJ's arriving, but between the remaining DH8 and now AWI flights, its a decent amount of traffic to replace at PHL.

jbs2886 wrote:

DiamondFlyer wrote:

jbs2886 wrote:

Interesting, thanks. Just looked at the 10-K briefly and saw 12 175s, but didn't see the 31 CRJ-700s and additional 175s. Curious where those are coming from; IIRC Skywest was moving some CRJ-700s from UA.

Remember, the Expressjet 200's in DFW are being traded for 700's as well.

Right, I'd forgotten. As an aside, I find it interesting how few outstanding orders for RJs there are between AA, DL and UA. All that is happening now is a bit of reshuffling between the three. Only AS has RJs on order. None of the big 3 pilots agreements are permitting the larger RJs, yet. There has to be some movement soon!

Delta is scoped out, there is no room for growth in RJs. My understanding is that United is trading 700s for 175s, as they're basically scoped out. Only AA has any significant room for RJ growth, and even then its not much. Alaska/Virgin is the only place for substantial RJ growth (which is likely to come at OO). And the only direction in which scope is going is smaller, you will never see larger than 76 seats at a regional.

commavia wrote:

The April 11 Investor Update has the entire rundown:

"In 2017, the Company expects to reduce the regional fleet count by 13 aircraft, including the addition of 31 CRJ700 aircraft, 20 E175 aircraft and 7 ERJ140 aircraft, as well as the reduction of 52 CRJ200 aircraft and 19 Dash 8-100 aircraft."

Note: the net increase of 7 ER140 aircraft is versus 31 December 2016, but by 31 March 2017 that count was down to only 6, but will be back up to 20 by 31 December 2017, and thus the aforementioned net increase of 14 aircraft versus today. So overall, by year end, the plan is for AA to reduce the proportion of its regional fleet operated by single-cabin aircraft from 47% to 37%.

Thanks commavia.

I compared the 2017 AA fleet plan that was announced in January to the 2017 AA fleet plan that was announced on April 11th after the Air Wisconsin news.

The original fleet plan showed a reduction of 23 CRJ-200s which includes the already announced reduction at Express Jet along with a reduction at either SkyWest or PSA. The revised fleet plan shows a reduction of 52 CRJ-200 in 2017. ExpressJet has 12 or 13 and Air Wisconsin has 65 which together means AA will have a reduction of 77 CRJ-200 by February 2018 compared to the reduction of 52 CRJ-200 in the revised fleet plan.

This leads me to believe that AA will lose at least another 25 CRJ-200 in January and February 2018. It will be interesting if AA decides to re-activate even more ERJ-140s early next year assuming they can find the pilots to fly them.

GoHokies wrote:

commavia wrote:

The April 11 Investor Update has the entire rundown:

"In 2017, the Company expects to reduce the regional fleet count by 13 aircraft, including the addition of 31 CRJ700 aircraft, 20 E175 aircraft and 7 ERJ140 aircraft, as well as the reduction of 52 CRJ200 aircraft and 19 Dash 8-100 aircraft."

Note: the net increase of 7 ER140 aircraft is versus 31 December 2016, but by 31 March 2017 that count was down to only 6, but will be back up to 20 by 31 December 2017, and thus the aforementioned net increase of 14 aircraft versus today. So overall, by year end, the plan is for AA to reduce the proportion of its regional fleet operated by single-cabin aircraft from 47% to 37%.

Thanks commavia.

I compared the 2017 AA fleet plan that was announced in January to the 2017 AA fleet plan that was announced on April 11th after the Air Wisconsin news.

The original fleet plan showed a reduction of 23 CRJ-200s which includes the already announced reduction at Express Jet along with a reduction at either SkyWest or PSA. The revised fleet plan shows a reduction of 52 CRJ-200 in 2017. ExpressJet has 12 or 13 and Air Wisconsin has 65 which together means AA will have a reduction of 77 CRJ-200 by February 2018 compared to the reduction of 52 CRJ-200 in the revised fleet plan.

This leads me to believe that AA will lose at least another 25 CRJ-200 in January and February 2018. It will be interesting if AA decides to re-activate even more ERJ-140s early next year assuming they can find the pilots to fly them.

Envoy has 35x CRJ-700s destined for PSA, who has 35x CRJ-200s. Perhaps that's where the others will go.

I think it's plausible that Envoy could reactivate some E140s to cover for AirWisconsin out of LGA. The additional E145s from Envoy to Piedmont could also help.

Also, do you have the fleet plan at hand, by any chance?

usairways85 wrote:

superjeff wrote:

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lowfareair wrote:

Unfortunately, this will probably mean further reductions in PHL, Air Wisconsin's largest base and the airport that has seen the biggest reduction in departures due to 50 seaters leaving the fleet. Has AA said what will be replacing these CRJs?

Maybe not. American is converting the Piedmont operation from Dash8's to Embraer 145's transferred from Envoy, and those are still 50 seaters. Piedmont is planning a major increase in flying, so will be able to easily take over the Air Wisconsin stuff.

Well it remains to be seen. As I mentioned, yesterday there were already ~43 Piedmont 145 flights into PHL. Today there are 73 AWI into PHL. Not that there will be a 1:1 replacement of flights, especially with any larger RJ's arriving, but between the remaining DH8 and now AWI flights, its a decent amount of traffic to replace at PHL.

Piedmont is receiving 2x E145s a month, and they currently have 20. By years end, when ZW leaves AA, they could be closer to that figure. Throw in Envoy at LGA and some additional E140s and things may work out.

william wrote:

tjwgrr wrote:

Some things go full circle......

Full Circle indeed. One could say Air Wisconsin got the RJ revolution started.

Yes, I loved flying Air Wisconsin 146's. I really hope this opens the door to Air Wisconsin to flying bigger metal. Perhaps we might see some jungle jets in their future? Would be really cool to see them get some C Series. I feel pretty confident that this gem of a regional carrier will survive and be just fine.

I've heard somewhere that the AA/MQ contract states that if any Eagle carrier gets any more E175s, it has to be Envoy. Can anyone confirm?

F9Animal wrote:

william wrote:

tjwgrr wrote:

Some things go full circle......

Full Circle indeed. One could say Air Wisconsin got the RJ revolution started.

Yes, I loved flying Air Wisconsin 146's. I really hope this opens the door to Air Wisconsin to flying bigger metal. Perhaps we might see some jungle jets in their future? Would be really cool to see them get some C Series. I feel pretty confident that this gem of a regional carrier will survive and be just fine.

Umm no, Air Wiskey will not fly the C-Series.

There is a rumor over at APC that Piedmont will be getting 140s as long as they are able to staff them

Boeing778X wrote:

Also, do you have the fleet plan at hand, by any chance?

http://phx.corporate-ir.net/External.Fi ... U9MQ==&t=1

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roadpilot wrote:

There is a rumor over at APC that Piedmont will be getting 140s as long as they are able to staff them

As of right now, Envoy are going to fly the 140s out of LGA. Long term plan is to have Piedmont fly them.

MLIAA wrote:

I've heard somewhere that the AA/MQ contract states that if any Eagle carrier gets any more E175s, it has to be Envoy. Can anyone confirm?

I can confirm. Any additional E175s that follow will be going to MQ.

AAs three subsidiaries will be aircraft specific, or, at least, that's the plan.

Envoy - E175
PSA - CRJ
Piedmont- E145.

Initial UA* schedules for Air Wisconsin are out there. It appears to start in September, and this is a late-September weekday schedule:

ORF-IAD-PWM-IAD-CAE-IAD-RIC-ORD-MKE

MKE-ORD-MKE-ORD-SDF-IAD-BUF-IAD-CAE

CAE-IAD-ORF-IAD-BUF-IAD-PWM-IAD-PWM

PWM-IAD-RIC-ORD-RIC-IAD-CAE-IAD-ORF

I think the plan was to be fully transitioned from AA* to UA* by March or so I'm sure the ZW flying will grow rapidly over the subsequent months.

DiamondFlyer wrote:

jbs2886 wrote:

DiamondFlyer wrote:

Remember, the Expressjet 200's in DFW are being traded for 700's as well.

Right, I'd forgotten. As an aside, I find it interesting how few outstanding orders for RJs there are between AA, DL and UA. All that is happening now is a bit of reshuffling between the three. Only AS has RJs on order. None of the big 3 pilots agreements are permitting the larger RJs, yet. There has to be some movement soon!

Delta is scoped out, there is no room for growth in RJs. My understanding is that United is trading 700s for 175s, as they're basically scoped out. Only AA has any significant room for RJ growth, and even then its not much. Alaska/Virgin is the only place for substantial RJ growth (which is likely to come at OO). And the only direction in which scope is going is smaller, you will never see larger than 76 seats at a regional.

Horizon pilots approved their amended contract so around 30 E75's are going there (ordered by AS Air Group). SkyWest growth for AS is done, for now. AS pilots prior to the merger agreed to a new deal with no language on number of 76 seats flown by regionals.