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mercure1 wrote:I've never really heard of Americans visiting Indonesia the manner Europeans do. What is the market?
mercure1 wrote:Suppose GA will become the low price discounter on crowded Tokyo segment to help fill planes.
LAXintl wrote:Carrier proposes utilizing 777-300ER 3x per week on a CGK-NRT-LAX routing effective November 2017.
DCA-ROCguy wrote:Is Garuda ordering or leasing 787's? I don't see them on the Wikipedia list of 787 customers, for whatever that's worth. It seems to me like a smaller a/c more frequently would have better chances.
Jim
NickLAX wrote:Don't get why SEA carriers keep pushing for this
timpdx wrote:The problem with one stop service in East Asia is that all of the sudden you are but one option to CGK. Korean, Asiana, ANA, JAL, EVA, PAL, Cathay,the Chinese carriers also offer one stops via East Asia from LAX.
NickLAX wrote:I don't get why GA wouldn't align with DL on do a timed through service from CGK to LAX with GA flying the CGK-HND and DL HND-LAX. This may even allow DL to keep the 772 on that route even in the lull periods of the year. Don't get why SEA carriers keep pushing for
cesar666cu wrote:Let's not forget that Garuda also flies DPS-NRT also with a 777.
I am almost sure they will schedule it to allow connections with the NRT-LAX flight.
cesar666cu wrote:Let's not forget that Garuda also flies DPS-NRT also with a 777.
I am almost sure they will schedule it to allow connections with the NRT-LAX flight.
LAXintl wrote:cesar666cu wrote:Let's not forget that Garuda also flies DPS-NRT also with a 777.
I am almost sure they will schedule it to allow connections with the NRT-LAX flight.
Virtually impossible. Have you looked at the DPS-NRT flight times?
DPS arrives into NRT at 0820. A 1000am departure to LAX would mean a 0245 arrival into LAX. Not only totally unappealing, but FIS is closed.
Return is just as bad. NRT-DPS departs NRT at 11am and inorder to arrive from LAX at 0930 lets say one would need to depart LAX at about 4am.
mercure1 wrote:You guys are making presumptions that getting/adjusting slots at NRT is so easy.
Airport operating at capacity with record movements counts these days.
mercure1 wrote:When and how did GA service USA before?
Suppose GA will become the low price discounter on crowded Tokyo segment to help fill planes.
I've never really heard of Americans visiting Indonesia the manner Europeans do. What is the market?
GARUDAROD wrote:Well this is interesting. This is now the third start up date since they announced the return to LAX. First is was supposed to
start in MAR 17, then JUN 17, now, NOV 17. For purely nostalgic reasons, I hope they come back, but it doesnt seem viable.
The big market was to DPS, but the largest Indonesian population in the world outside Indonesia and the Netherlands is in the LAX area.
Previous service was from 1984-1997. Service started as a joint service DC-10 service with Continental on a routing JKT-GUM as
a GA Flight, then GUM-HNL-LAX as a CO flight. When GA started their own service, again with the DC-10, the routing was
CGK-DPS-BIK-HNL-LAX vv. The routing dropped the BIK stop with the introduction of the MD-11, and was CGK-HNL-LAX-HNL-DPS-CGK.
timpdx wrote:The problem with one stop service in East Asia is that all of the sudden you are but one option to CGK. Korean, Asiana, ANA, JAL, EVA, PAL, Cathay,the Chinese carriers also offer one stops via East Asia from LAX. Tough market. But, hey, I welcome Garuda back to LAX.
LAXintl wrote:GA did however enter into agreement with China Airlines and has been feeding CI North America flights via TPE.
DCA-ROCguy wrote:Is Garuda ordering or leasing 787's? I don't see them on the Wikipedia list of 787 customers, for whatever that's worth. It seems to me like a smaller a/c more frequently would have better chances.
I remember seeing a Malaysia 744 at LAX some years ago and am glad I caught sight of it!
Jim
LAXintl wrote:A 1000am departure to LAX would mean a 0245 arrival into LAX. Not only totally unappealing, but FIS is closed.
mercure1 wrote:NickLAX wrote:Don't get why SEA carriers keep pushing for this
Can we say ego, pride, nationalism, politics, etc?
Seems having a flight link to the U.S covers many of these feelings regardless of real business case or not.
(p.s. not much different than so many African nations wanting air links to Paris or London by their poor national airlines)
LAXintl wrote:No sir TBIT is not and has never been a 24-hrs FIS.
LAXintl wrote:not even MIA(much to bellyache of AA) is 24-hrs.
GARUDAROD wrote:To the surprise on no one, the plan to return to LAX has been cancelled, again, due to another management change at Garuda
and to the loss making routes currently ongoing in other areas.
LAXintl wrote:No sir TBIT is not and has never been a 24-hrs FIS.
Sure there might be a skeleton crew that stays overnight dealing with things like detained folks and such, but for landing rights no service is authorized outside normal FIS hours. There can be delayed flights, but no airline will get a schedule approved outside the core FIS hours.
Also things like TSA close up at night at TBIT and don't reopen till 0600.
To my knowledge there is only a single 24-hr FIS facility in the US - JFK T4, not even MIA(much to bellyache of AA) is 24-hrs.
jfk777 wrote:LAXintl wrote:No sir TBIT is not and has never been a 24-hrs FIS.
Sure there might be a skeleton crew that stays overnight dealing with things like detained folks and such, but for landing rights no service is authorized outside normal FIS hours. There can be delayed flights, but no airline will get a schedule approved outside the core FIS hours.
Also things like TSA close up at night at TBIT and don't reopen till 0600.
To my knowledge there is only a single 24-hr FIS facility in the US - JFK T4, not even MIA(much to bellyache of AA) is 24-hrs.
How can LAX FIS at TBIT not be open 24 hours? This is the major west coast international airport. With planes coming in at all hours from Asia it seems silly for the FIS to be closed. This seems to be an issue with budgets at Homeland security, one would think customs is funded by revenue from fees paid by users.