New AA painted aircraft - 2017

deltaffindfw · Mon Oct 09, 2017 12:38 am

What I hate about the LUS 321s is that they don't have adjustable headrests. It might not seem like much, but it does for someone who flies almost every week. Leaning to the left or right on a headrest keeps you from looking stupid and having your head fall forward and wake up

alasizon · Mon Oct 09, 2017 1:30 am

itchief wrote:

LUS planes have all gotten new seat covers, no power. It looks good when you walk into the aircraft but when you sit down you realize that it is the same old seat with a new cover and no power.

The LUS 321s are getting upped to 190 seats and power at every seat.

119297 · Mon Oct 09, 2017 3:11 am

According to an internal memo,

This is a full retrofit to include new seats with tablet holders, AC outlets, USB ports, new lavatories, larger overhead bins, LED lighting, Wi-Fi connectivity, adding closets and galleys if needed.
Boeing’s Space Bins are part of the retrofit on the 737s. All 737's and A321's will lose the in seat monitors and will be up graded to have high speed Wifi and allow passengers access to free movies and TV shows. Currently there are no plans to remove seatback IFE from the A319s that have it installed today.

119297 · Mon Oct 09, 2017 4:00 am

Article re: 737/A321 modifications

http://layoverhub.net/american-plans-to ... 21-fleets/

jgcotter · Mon Oct 09, 2017 5:51 pm

14 Air Whiskey CR2s are now flying United Express lines out of ORD; N408AW, N409AW, N419AW, N420AW, N423AW, N424AW, N425AW, N429AW, N431AW, N435AW, N436AW, N438AW, N464AW and N466AW. N420AW is in United Express livery. 44 remaining ZW CR2s flying American Eagle lines.
Does anyone have the official transition timeline?

Swadian · Mon Oct 09, 2017 7:10 pm

If HA and DL can put 189 and 192 seats in their A321s respectively, I'm not surprised at AA doing 190.

Why did AA renumber 13 LUS A321s, #970-982?

Boeing778X · Mon Oct 09, 2017 9:15 pm

jgcotter wrote:
14 Air Whiskey CR2s are now flying United Express lines out of ORD; N408AW, N409AW, N419AW, N420AW, N423AW, N424AW, N425AW, N429AW, N431AW, N435AW, N436AW, N438AW, N464AW and N466AW. N420AW is in United Express livery. 44 remaining ZW CR2s flying American Eagle lines.
Does anyone have the official transition timeline?

"By the end of the year" is the general consensus.

Nice to see CRJ-200s leaving! The more the better!

aaflyer222 · Mon Oct 09, 2017 10:14 pm

Swadian wrote:
If HA and DL can put 189 and 192 seats in their A321s respectively, I'm not surprised at AA doing 190.

Why did AA renumber 13 LUS A321s, #970-982?

The original fleet numbers of those aircraft matched some s80 fleet numbers.

ahj2000 · Mon Oct 09, 2017 11:29 pm

Boeing778X wrote:
jgcotter wrote:
14 Air Whiskey CR2s are now flying United Express lines out of ORD; N408AW, N409AW, N419AW, N420AW, N423AW, N424AW, N425AW, N429AW, N431AW, N435AW, N436AW, N438AW, N464AW and N466AW. N420AW is in United Express livery. 44 remaining ZW CR2s flying American Eagle lines.
Does anyone have the official transition timeline?

"By the end of the year" is the general consensus.

Nice to see CRJ-200s leaving! The more the better!

What are they getting replaced by? 175?

Boeing778X · Mon Oct 09, 2017 11:46 pm

ahj2000 wrote:
Boeing778X wrote:
jgcotter wrote:
14 Air Whiskey CR2s are now flying United Express lines out of ORD; N408AW, N409AW, N419AW, N420AW, N423AW, N424AW, N425AW, N429AW, N431AW, N435AW, N436AW, N438AW, N464AW and N466AW. N420AW is in United Express livery. 44 remaining ZW CR2s flying American Eagle lines.
Does anyone have the official transition timeline?

"By the end of the year" is the general consensus.

Nice to see CRJ-200s leaving! The more the better!

What are they getting replaced by? 175?

I don't think so.

Envoy, who has stored E140s at SJT for several years, are placing a good number of them back into service, partially, I believe, for covering Whisky routes. A few E140s are already back in service.

Runway28L · Mon Oct 09, 2017 11:59 pm

ahj2000 wrote:
Boeing778X wrote:
jgcotter wrote:
14 Air Whiskey CR2s are now flying United Express lines out of ORD; N408AW, N409AW, N419AW, N420AW, N423AW, N424AW, N425AW, N429AW, N431AW, N435AW, N436AW, N438AW, N464AW and N466AW. N420AW is in United Express livery. 44 remaining ZW CR2s flying American Eagle lines.
Does anyone have the official transition timeline?

"By the end of the year" is the general consensus.

Nice to see CRJ-200s leaving! The more the better!

What are they getting replaced by? 175?

Piedmont appears to be replacing some CRJ flying, especially on AA's p2p routes.

Jo8338 · Tue Oct 10, 2017 2:56 am

How many F seats on the 321? DL has 20.

DanDun · Tue Oct 10, 2017 2:59 am

There are 16 seats in the A321

Jo8338 · Tue Oct 10, 2017 3:15 am

DanDun wrote:
There are 16 seats in the A321

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alasizon · Tue Oct 10, 2017 4:50 am

Jo8338 wrote:
DanDun wrote:
There are 16 seats in the A321

yes; but what about after reconfigure to 190?

I would assume there will still be 16F. Take the existing LUS configuration and add a set of three seats at the L2 door. For the existing LAA configuration it gets a little weirder, the pitch gets adjusted throughout the cabin and you would have to add a row of three in front of the mid-lav and also add a whole additional row of seats.

119297 · Tue Oct 10, 2017 5:40 pm

A new 738 delivery today

N354PT 3PT
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/AAL9701

UGA777 · Tue Oct 10, 2017 6:50 pm

miaami wrote:
A new 738 delivery today

N354PT 3PT
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/AAL9701

That makes 300 737-800s now, not counting the 1 MAX aircraft on property. Quite an impressive number. Just wish they weren't ripping out the IFE and cramming in more seats.

res77W · Tue Oct 10, 2017 7:13 pm

So the new 738 deliveries still have in seat IFE? Wow that's really a waste.

-Rowen

Polot · Tue Oct 10, 2017 7:26 pm

res77W wrote:
So the new 738 deliveries still have in seat IFE? Wow that's really a waste.

-Rowen

There are only a handful of 738 deliveries left. Seats and whatnot were already ordered long before the decision was made, and these planes will likely be among the last to be retrofitted. With 300 in the fleet it is going to take awhile.

UGA777 · Tue Oct 10, 2017 7:52 pm

I think AA is making a mistake with the retrofits, but that's just my opinion. DL will have a better domestic product when all is said and done.

commavia · Tue Oct 10, 2017 8:11 pm

UGA777 wrote:
I think AA is making a mistake with the retrofits, but that's just my opinion. DL will have a better domestic product when all is said and done.

The only major difference, ultimately, will be AVOD PTVs - and that will only, I suspect, really be a difference relative to Delta and JetBlue. Otherwise, AA's domestic product will end up being similar if not identical to competitors. Personally, I continue to believe that going to a streaming IFE solution is absolutely the right business decision. And with respect to legroom, there's no question that those 737s will be tight, but I'll reserve final judgement on comfort until I've actually sat in one of those seats, and in any event, if the market reaction isn't drastically negative, I wouldn't be surprised to see AA's competitors - including Delta - match. (After all, it's worth noting that, even after this coming reconfiguration, AA's A321s will still have fewer seats than Delta's A321s.)

119297 · Tue Oct 10, 2017 8:20 pm

UGA777 wrote:
I think AA is making a mistake with the retrofits, but that's just my opinion. DL will have a better domestic product when all is said and done.

Maybe so but I doubt people are buying tickets on domestic flights based on whether or not the aircraft has in seat IFE. The high speed Wifi and the free movies and TV shows will still be available. AA just needs to train their audience to watch the Free movies and TV with their own device. Saves a lot of money on maintenance and ear buds. Also frees up under seat space from those bulky IFE boxes.

TNST3B · Wed Oct 11, 2017 5:31 am

commavia wrote:
UGA777 wrote:
I think AA is making a mistake with the retrofits, but that's just my opinion. DL will have a better domestic product when all is said and done.

The only major difference, ultimately, will be AVOD PTVs - and that will only, I suspect, really be a difference relative to Delta and JetBlue. Otherwise, AA's domestic product will end up being similar if not identical to competitors. Personally, I continue to believe that going to a streaming IFE solution is absolutely the right business decision. And with respect to legroom, there's no question that those 737s will be tight, but I'll reserve final judgement on comfort until I've actually sat in one of those seats, and in any event, if the market reaction isn't drastically negative, I wouldn't be surprised to see AA's competitors - including Delta - match. (After all, it's worth noting that, even after this coming reconfiguration, AA's A321s will still have fewer seats than Delta's A321s.)

Especially when one can go buy an Amazon Fire 7 for $50, let alone the 77% of U.S. adults who own a smart phone. I'd rather watch something on my own device vs. a seat back display.

jgcotter · Fri Oct 13, 2017 3:59 pm

B738 N865NN / 3GW is in the paint shop at GUS for new livery. 14 remaining 738s in legacy livery.

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N865NN

jgcotter · Sat Oct 14, 2017 4:58 pm

B738 N910NN / 3JV is in the paint shop at GUS for new livery. 13 remaining 738s in legacy livery.

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N910NN

itchief · Sat Oct 14, 2017 5:04 pm

alasizon wrote:
itchief wrote:

LUS planes have all gotten new seat covers, no power. It looks good when you walk into the aircraft but when you sit down you realize that it is the same old seat with a new cover and no power.

The LUS 321s are getting upped to 190 seats and power at every seat.

To be competed in the year 2021. Another 4 years of the crAAp shoot on weather you get power in your seat.

119297 · Sat Oct 14, 2017 6:20 pm

itchief wrote:
alasizon wrote:
itchief wrote:

LUS planes have all gotten new seat covers, no power. It looks good when you walk into the aircraft but when you sit down you realize that it is the same old seat with a new cover and no power.

The LUS 321s are getting upped to 190 seats and power at every seat.

To be competed in the year 2021. Another 4 years of the crAAp shoot on weather you get power in your seat.

From the announcement in Sept,

"The Legacy US A321s are scheduled to start being retrofitted in 2019, ahead of the Legacy American A321s, to get power at every seat onto those planes as soon as possible." Shouldn't take 4 years to finish up the LUS A321's if they are concentrating on those first.

Boeing778X · Sat Oct 14, 2017 8:04 pm

It's nice that the LUS A321s will get power. If MQ could get power for the E175s, that'd be great.

itchief · Sat Oct 14, 2017 8:48 pm

miaami wrote:
itchief wrote:
alasizon wrote:

The LUS 321s are getting upped to 190 seats and power at every seat.

To be competed in the year 2021. Another 4 years of the crAAp shoot on weather you get power in your seat.

From the announcement in Sept,

"The Legacy US A321s are scheduled to start being retrofitted in 2019, ahead of the Legacy American A321s, to get power at every seat onto those planes as soon as possible." Shouldn't take 4 years to finish up the LUS A321's if they are concentrating on those first.

The Legacy AA A321's all came with IFE and power. The retrofit of the LAA 321's will be removing IFE not adding power. The AA web site is where the info is on when this will be complete. As soon as possible does not mean this will be in a timely manner. And really 2 years to start this project.

alasizon · Sun Oct 15, 2017 2:23 am

itchief wrote:
miaami wrote:
itchief wrote:
As soon as possible does not mean this will be in a timely manner. And really 2 years to start this project.

Assuming they'll start in mid-January/early February, that is only 15 months away. AA is pretty efficient when it comes to take planes out to paint/mod so I'd suspect that 3 planes will be out at a time for the power mod which should allow them to do about 65-70 planes a year.

itchief · Sun Oct 15, 2017 2:47 am

alasizon wrote:
itchief wrote:
miaami wrote:

Assuming they'll start in mid-January/early February, that is only 15 months away. AA is pretty efficient when it comes to take planes out to paint/mod so I'd suspect that 3 planes will be out at a time for the power mod which should allow them to do about 65-70 planes a year.

OK say you go with Jan/Feb of 2019, just how is this "as soon as possible"? Your 'Assuming' could also be 26-27 months away so once again, "as soon as possible".

DeltaMD95 · Sun Oct 15, 2017 3:42 am

Is there any chance the MD80 fleet could make it to 2019? Or are all indications still that they will all be parked in less than 12 months?

Super80Fan · Sun Oct 15, 2017 4:16 am

The power is a nice addition to the LUS A321's, kind of a waste though to rip the PTV's out of the LAA 738's and A321's. Anyone know if the Transcon A321's will be touched at all?

AA321T · Sun Oct 15, 2017 10:07 pm

Super80Fan wrote:
The power is a nice addition to the LUS A321's, kind of a waste though to rip the PTV's out of the LAA 738's and A321's. Anyone know if the Transcon A321's will be touched at all?

A321T and LAA A319's are retaining their PTV's.

B757capt · Sun Oct 15, 2017 10:21 pm

DeltaMD95 wrote:
Is there any chance the MD80 fleet could make it to 2019? Or are all indications still that they will all be parked in less than 12 months?

The last MD80 is scheduled to retire in December of 2019, scheduled.

UGA777 · Mon Oct 16, 2017 2:02 am

AA321T wrote:
Super80Fan wrote:
The power is a nice addition to the LUS A321's, kind of a waste though to rip the PTV's out of the LAA 738's and A321's. Anyone know if the Transcon A321's will be touched at all?

A321T and LAA A319's are retaining their PTV's.

What a consistent domestic product...

AA321T · Mon Oct 16, 2017 2:14 am

UGA777 wrote:
AA321T wrote:
Super80Fan wrote:
The power is a nice addition to the LUS A321's, kind of a waste though to rip the PTV's out of the LAA 738's and A321's. Anyone know if the Transcon A321's will be touched at all?

A321T and LAA A319's are retaining their PTV's.

What a consistent domestic product...

While I agree it’s not ideal, the idea is that the A321T serves premium heavy routes only. Whereas the LAA A319s will only be on international routes primarily from Miami to Latin America which falls in line with the memo stating that international will retain PTVs.

Swadian · Wed Oct 18, 2017 1:53 am

itchief wrote:
alasizon wrote:
itchief wrote:

LUS planes have all gotten new seat covers, no power. It looks good when you walk into the aircraft but when you sit down you realize that it is the same old seat with a new cover and no power.

The LUS 321s are getting upped to 190 seats and power at every seat.

To be competed in the year 2021. Another 4 years of the crAAp shoot on weather you get power in your seat.

You can look at the AA Cargo Timetable (https://www.aacargo.com/ship/schedules.html) to find out what subfleet you're flying on; for example, 38A is the 738 with PTVs and 38D is the 738 without.

aaflyer222 · Wed Oct 18, 2017 2:24 am

Fleet plan update released last week. Less s80 and a320 being retired.
http://phx.corporate-ir.net/phoenix.zht ... sentations

ahj2000 · Wed Oct 18, 2017 3:21 am

aaflyer222 wrote:
Fleet plan update released last week. Less s80 and a320 being retired.
http://phx.corporate-ir.net/phoenix.zht ... sentations

THANKS for that! Look at the CR2s disappear!

alasizon · Wed Oct 18, 2017 3:27 am

aaflyer222 wrote:
Fleet plan update released last week. Less s80 and a320 being retired.
http://phx.corporate-ir.net/phoenix.zht ... sentations

I see no change to the 320s,as far as I know it was always going to be 48 at end of year and both of the other fleet plans I have confirm that. Does show three more S80s hanging around though.

On another note, average fuel price is up about 5-6 cents in the new forecast.

flight152 · Wed Oct 18, 2017 3:38 am

ahj2000 wrote:
aaflyer222 wrote:
Fleet plan update released last week. Less s80 and a320 being retired.
http://phx.corporate-ir.net/phoenix.zht ... sentations

THANKS for that! Look at the CR2s disappear!

All those Air Wisconsin pilots will be flying for United express. American Airlines’ loss really.

119297 · Fri Oct 20, 2017 2:29 am

Another 738 going to GUS for new paint

N866NN 3GX

Scheduled to ferry on 10/20/17 from ORD to GUS as AA9645

Boeing778X · Fri Oct 20, 2017 2:35 am

flight152 wrote:
ahj2000 wrote:
aaflyer222 wrote:
Fleet plan update released last week. Less s80 and a320 being retired.
http://phx.corporate-ir.net/phoenix.zht ... sentations

THANKS for that! Look at the CR2s disappear!

All those Air Wisconsin pilots will be flying for United express. American Airlines’ loss really.

I don't think so. Crappy CRJ-200s to replaced with Envoy E140/E145s. An upgrade, actually.

jgcotter · Fri Oct 20, 2017 6:50 pm

miaami wrote:
Another 738 going to GUS for new paint

N866NN 3GX

Scheduled to ferry on 10/20/17 from ORD to GUS as AA9645

Landed at GUS an hour ago. 12 remaining 738s in legacy livery.

jgcotter · Sat Oct 21, 2017 1:17 pm

B738 N903AN / 3AC is in the paint shop at GUS for new livery. 11 remaining 738s in legacy livery.

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N903AN

jgcotter · Sat Oct 21, 2017 7:28 pm

aaflyer222 wrote:
s80 n438aa (1987) has been at DFW since 22 aug. will this aircraft return to service at some point?

Another MD-83 retirement to ROW today.

N438AA is en route from DFW to ROW.

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N438AA

46 MD-80s remaining.

119297 · Sat Oct 21, 2017 8:47 pm

Another MD-80 sent out to pasture

N438AA 438
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/AAL9653

rta · Sat Oct 21, 2017 9:01 pm

UGA777 wrote:
I think AA is making a mistake with the retrofits, but that's just my opinion. DL will have a better domestic product when all is said and done.

I agree.

But at the end of the day, I'm guessing pricing and schedule will be the biggest factors for people buying tickets.

Either way you go - I think consistency is the most important part. For UA, it's kind of annoying how you might get steaming IFE (free) on DTW-ORD, and then only be able to pay for DirectTV IFE on ORD-SFO. I can appreciate AA trying to standardize the experience on their 737s.

119297 · Sat Oct 21, 2017 10:40 pm

rta wrote:
UGA777 wrote:
I think AA is making a mistake with the retrofits, but that's just my opinion. DL will have a better domestic product when all is said and done.

I agree.

But at the end of the day, I'm guessing pricing and schedule will be the biggest factors for people buying tickets.

Either way you go - I think consistency is the most important part. For UA, it's kind of annoying how you might get steaming IFE (free) on DTW-ORD, and then only be able to pay for DirectTV IFE on ORD-SFO. I can appreciate AA trying to standardize the experience on their 737s.

I like the idea that it will free up leg room with the IFE box being removed from under the seats. Those IFE boxes take up a lot of under seat space. I was on a A-321 the other day that had about 20 screens INOP. I'm sure the maintenance costs on those systems could be spent in better places.

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