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LAXintl wrote:Route launched June 2016 - only about 8 months ago.
I would guess AA launched the route with anticipated benefits of a QF JV in mind, but without that, I suspect routes performance is lower than hoped for.
sagechan wrote:Load wise seems to do exceptionally well, of course that's only half the equation on performance. I'd expect a 788/789 rotation between Peak and off season at some point when enough 789's are in fleet.
jumbojet wrote:sagechan wrote:Load wise seems to do exceptionally well, of course that's only half the equation on performance. I'd expect a 788/789 rotation between Peak and off season at some point when enough 789's are in fleet.
Sure, loads are well, when you charge next to nothing to get to New Zealand, you will fill up the plane. Walk up coach fare for tonights flight is only $800 bucks. Try and book the same flight a month or two from now and its only $50.00 bucks less.
jumbojet wrote:AA'S LAX-HKG NS flight. You can get a walk up coach fare on that flight for $570
uberflieger wrote:jumbojet wrote:AA'S LAX-HKG NS flight. You can get a walk up coach fare on that flight for $570
A walk-up fare?
But yup, there's some great deals to HKG right now, got an alert for UA ORD-HKG $522.
jumbojet wrote:uberflieger wrote:jumbojet wrote:AA'S LAX-HKG NS flight. You can get a walk up coach fare on that flight for $570
A walk-up fare?
But yup, there's some great deals to HKG right now, got an alert for UA ORD-HKG $522.
yes, a walk up fare. I can buy a one way ticket on tonight's AA LAX-AKL flight for $800 and change or to HKG for $500. Walk to the counter, buy the ticket and walk on the plane...A walk up fare.
x1234 wrote:LAX-HKG is a key premium market and CX commands $5.5-6k a seat. It looks like AA has finally priced to near CX levels ($4.5-5k), only a few hundred below...
sagechan wrote:As I said, loads are only half the equation. Since it's pretty hard to tell the real yields as anecdotal lowest available isn't the whole picture either. But unlike UA, AA hasn't pulled Southern Winter Ops yet. So, how it's doing is relatively hard to say. Signs point to strong loads and weak yields, but we have no idea what AA's expectations are.
FriscoHeavy wrote:Flight was completely full a couple weeks ago and when I went to NZ. With the efficient 787, I'm sure it's performing well for them.
coolian2 wrote:Given AA has quietly seen off UA...
jumbojet wrote:yes, a walk up fare. I can buy a one way ticket on tonight's AA LAX-AKL flight for $800. Walk to the counter, buy the ticket and walk on the plane...A walk up fare.
uberflieger wrote:jumbojet wrote:yes, a walk up fare. I can buy a one way ticket on tonight's AA LAX-AKL flight for $800. Walk to the counter, buy the ticket and walk on the plane...A walk up fare.
Are you going to swim back?
"Sure, loads are well, when you charge next to nothing to get to New Zealand, you will fill up the plane. Walk up coach fare for tonights flight is only $800 bucks."
$800 OW is not "charge next to nothing".
I challenge you to "walk up" to the ticket counter tonight
777ER wrote:jumbojet wrote:uberflieger wrote:A walk-up fare?
But yup, there's some great deals to HKG right now, got an alert for UA ORD-HKG $522.
yes, a walk up fare. I can buy a one way ticket on tonight's AA LAX-AKL flight for $800 and change or to HKG for $500. Walk to the counter, buy the ticket and walk on the plane...A walk up fare.
Wonder how much an AKL departing walk up fare is!
uberflieger wrote:jumbojet wrote:yes, a walk up fare. I can buy a one way ticket on tonight's AA LAX-AKL flight for $800. Walk to the counter, buy the ticket and walk on the plane...A walk up fare.
Are you going to swim back?
"Sure, loads are well, when you charge next to nothing to get to New Zealand, you will fill up the plane. Walk up coach fare for tonights flight is only $800 bucks."
$800 OW is not "charge next to nothing".
I challenge you to "walk up" to the ticket counter tonight
777ER wrote:jumbojet wrote:uberflieger wrote:A walk-up fare?
But yup, there's some great deals to HKG right now, got an alert for UA ORD-HKG $522.
yes, a walk up fare. I can buy a one way ticket on tonight's AA LAX-AKL flight for $800 and change or to HKG for $500. Walk to the counter, buy the ticket and walk on the plane...A walk up fare.
Wonder how much an AKL departing walk up fare is!
smi0006 wrote:I doubt NZ would feed into UA when they have their own flights.
B747forever wrote:I would say regardless of JV, AA is pretty much "forced" to keep LAX-AKL if they want to continue build up and be serious about LAX as a gateway to Asia and Oceania. They need to add more routes such as ICN, TPE, PEK and not drop routes.
panampreflight wrote:B747forever wrote:I would say regardless of JV, AA is pretty much "forced" to keep LAX-AKL if they want to continue build up and be serious about LAX as a gateway to Asia and Oceania. They need to add more routes such as ICN, TPE, PEK and not drop routes.
NOT to be negative--- But why would anyone fly AA to Asia cities when you coul dfly Cathay Pacific or any other carrier that there uniforms are not shiny from be washed too much, lol??
Motorhussy wrote:coolian2 wrote:Given AA has quietly seen off UA...
How do you work that one out? They fly different routes; UA AKL-SFO, AA AKL-LAX. AA competes with NZ and they're not going anywhere when it comes to LAX.
Cointrin330 wrote:The leisure market to NZ is seasonal and so it will be key to see how the route performs through the northern hemisphere summer. Believe AA/QF hope the Trump Administration will look more favorably at their proposed JV expansion and so I'd expect this route to stick around for the time being.
Cointrin330 wrote:The UA situation is a bit different. UA and NZ have broader code share in place and there is plenty of capacity on NZ to the USA (IAH, LAX x 2, and SFO). UA dropping back to seasonal makes a lot more sense though sorry to see not last year-round. Interesting that UA swapped the 787-8 and occasional -9 for the 777-200ER. Not the ideal plane for this market. Suppose UA has been short on 787's hence the swap out.
B747forever wrote:panampreflight wrote:B747forever wrote:I would say regardless of JV, AA is pretty much "forced" to keep LAX-AKL if they want to continue build up and be serious about LAX as a gateway to Asia and Oceania. They need to add more routes such as ICN, TPE, PEK and not drop routes.
NOT to be negative--- But why would anyone fly AA to Asia cities when you coul dfly Cathay Pacific or any other carrier that there uniforms are not shiny from be washed too much, lol??
So all US carriers should just give up and cease all their Asia operations?
B747forever wrote:panampreflight wrote:B747forever wrote:I would say regardless of JV, AA is pretty much "forced" to keep LAX-AKL if they want to continue build up and be serious about LAX as a gateway to Asia and Oceania. They need to add more routes such as ICN, TPE, PEK and not drop routes.
NOT to be negative--- But why would anyone fly AA to Asia cities when you coul dfly Cathay Pacific or any other carrier that there uniforms are not shiny from be washed too much, lol??
So all US carriers should just give up and cease all their Asia operations?
Flighty wrote:B747forever wrote:panampreflight wrote:
NOT to be negative--- But why would anyone fly AA to Asia cities when you coul dfly Cathay Pacific or any other carrier that there uniforms are not shiny from be washed too much, lol??
So all US carriers should just give up and cease all their Asia operations?
There is probably a stronger case for that than many realize.
jumbojet wrote:I can buy a one way ticket on tonight's AA LAX-AKL flight for $800 and change or to HKG for $500. Walk to the counter, buy the ticket and walk on the plane...A walk up fare.
Planesmart wrote:jumbojet wrote:I can buy a one way ticket on tonight's AA LAX-AKL flight for $800 and change or to HKG for $500. Walk to the counter, buy the ticket and walk on the plane...A walk up fare.
And if you do, notwithstanding other factors, you will be high up the profiled list for interception on arrival. Don't plan to be at your hotel quickly after arrival.
IrishAyes wrote:True, but AA + QF hasn't thrown in the towel on the JV quite yet. They are removing the AA codeshare on some overlapping routes, as well as from DFW to SYD and LAX to JFK to send a message to the DOT.
ripcordd wrote:Starting and stopping the routes will end up costing more $$$ than sucking it up and keep flying the route while they re-file with a admin that seems to be more business friendly.
ripcordd wrote:Starting and stopping the routes will end up costing more $$$ than sucking it up and keep flying the route while they re-file with a admin that seems to be more business friendly. With that being said I can see SYD going to a 789 5x a week and akl going 3x a week if they don't get it approved.
panampreflight wrote:B747forever wrote:I would say regardless of JV, AA is pretty much "forced" to keep LAX-AKL if they want to continue build up and be serious about LAX as a gateway to Asia and Oceania. They need to add more routes such as ICN, TPE, PEK and not drop routes.
NOT to be negative--- But why would anyone fly AA to Asia cities when you coul dfly Cathay Pacific or any other carrier that there uniforms are not shiny from be washed too much, lol??
jumbojet wrote:I will, just give me $825.00. PM me for my paypal information
eta unknown wrote:ripcordd wrote:Starting and stopping the routes will end up costing more $$$ than sucking it up and keep flying the route while they re-file with a admin that seems to be more business friendly. With that being said I can see SYD going to a 789 5x a week and akl going 3x a week if they don't get it approved.
The White House might be more business friendly,but has anything changed at the DOT? There really isn't a compelling argument for this to be approved.
mercure1 wrote:In hindsight might have been better if AA did not launch AKL+SYD and QF to SFO while the JV was pending.
LHUSA wrote:I believe that AA started in June?
NZ is a highly seasonal market, so I'm sure AA is still gauging its success on the route. I wonder if the failed (or at least delayed) JV with QF will have any impact on the route?
Despite its JV with NZ, UA recently announced going seasonal on SFOAKL (but up to 10 weekly during southern summer).