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Re: Nordic Aviation Part 5

Mon Aug 07, 2017 7:59 pm

Any info about the city Airport in Stockholm, Bromma? I checked out their website but couldn't find anything.
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation Part 5

Tue Aug 08, 2017 8:02 am

HEL traffic figures - July 2017

Domestic: 124,438 (-8,5%) (decrease is mostly due to the closure of Oulu Airport)
International: 1,644,226 (+12.2%)
Total: 1,768,664 (+10.5%)

HEL traffic figures - YTD 2017

Domestic: 1,563,420 (+1.1%)
International: 9,239,491 (+10.3%)
Total: 10,802,911 (+8.9%)
ATL, AYT, FRA, FUE, HEL, JFK, LCA, LHR, MUC
AY, BA, DL, FH, LH, LO
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Re: Nordic Aviation Part 5

Tue Aug 08, 2017 8:15 am

HEL intercontinental traffic figures YTD 2017

1,564,298 (+15.6%)
ATL, AYT, FRA, FUE, HEL, JFK, LCA, LHR, MUC
AY, BA, DL, FH, LH, LO
A320, A321, A333, 752, 764, 772, 787
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation Part 5

Tue Aug 08, 2017 8:28 am

Finnair Traffic Performance in July 2017

Record-high passenger load factor of 90.2% in July; strong growth on Asian routes continues

In July, Finnair's overall capacity measured in Available Seat Kilometres increased by 11,6 per cent year‐on‐year, and traffic measured in Revenue Passenger Kilometres grew by 13.6 per cent. The number of passengers carried during the month was 1,12 million, which is the highest number ever (previous record in June 1.10 million). The passenger load factor increased by 1.6 percentage points to 90.2 per cent.

The capacity in Finnair’s largest traffic area, Asia, increased by 14.8 per cent in July and traffic grew by 19.8 per cent reflecting a high passenger load factor of 92.6 per cent. The selection of routes and frequencies was mainly unchanged year-on-year, but there were increased frequencies to Tokyo and Hong Kong in particular.

The capacity in North Atlantic traffic was broadly unchanged (ASK -0.2 per cent) but traffic measured in RPK increased by 3.9 per cent due to a high passenger load factor. The most significant year-on-year changes in the flight programme were the suspension of the Miami route for the summer and the launch of a new San Francisco route, operated three times a week from the beginning of June.

Finnair’s capacity in European traffic increased by 10.8 per cent reflecting new seasonal routes opened for the summer as well as four new A321 narrow-body aircraft, and traffic grew by 9.6 per cent year-on-year. Domestic capacity increased by 6.3 per cent but traffic decreased by 7.8 per cent due to a decline in the load factor on main domestic routes. The Oulu airport was closed for the resurfacing of the runway throughout the month.

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https://company.finnair.com/en/media/al ... id=2636121
 
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Tue Aug 08, 2017 8:59 am

ARN traffic figures - July 2017

Total: 2 575 969 (+9%)

ARN traffic figures - YTD 2017

Total: 15 393 354 (+9%)
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation Part 5

Tue Aug 08, 2017 11:37 am

SAS' July numbers

http://mb.cision.com/Main/290/2322725/707507.pdf

• Scheduled traffic (RPK) increased 6.7% and the capacity (ASK) was up 8.8%.
• The load factor decreased by 1.7 p.u. versus last year to 86.5%.
• Scheduled number of passengers increased by 2.2% to 2.5 million passengers in July, the highest
number of passengers that SAS has transported in July.
• The preliminary currency adjusted yield increased 1% and the PASK decreased 1% in July 2017 vs. last
year. The nominal yield increased 2% and the nominal PASK was unchanged vs. last year
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation Part 5

Tue Aug 08, 2017 12:25 pm

kanye wrote:
Any info about the city Airport in Stockholm, Bromma? I checked out their website but couldn't find anything.


I haven't seen any figures for July, but they should show up at https://www.transportstyrelsen.se/sv/lu ... tik-/2017/
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation Part 5

Tue Aug 08, 2017 12:28 pm

Numbers for BMA:

July: 164 045 (+7%)
Jan-Jul: 1 444 433 (+2%)
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Re: Nordic Aviation Part 5

Wed Aug 09, 2017 9:50 am

According Finavia there was in July 20237 passengers between Thailand and Finland, 24844 passengers between Hongkong and Finland and 7333 passengers between Qatar and Finland. Because there is only one carrier on those routes, you can assume that load factors on those routes were respectively ca. 97%, 95% and 91%.Very impressive numbers!
 
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Wed Aug 09, 2017 9:59 am

armchairceonr1 wrote:
According Finavia there was in July 20237 passengers between Thailand and Finland, 24844 passengers between Hongkong and Finland and 7333 passengers between Qatar and Finland. Because there is only one carrier on those routes, you can assume that load factors on those routes were respectively ca. 97%, 95% and 91%.Very impressive numbers!


Don't TUI and AY both serve Thailand from HEL ?
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation Part 5

Wed Aug 09, 2017 10:07 am

kruiseri wrote:
armchairceonr1 wrote:
According Finavia there was in July 20237 passengers between Thailand and Finland, 24844 passengers between Hongkong and Finland and 7333 passengers between Qatar and Finland. Because there is only one carrier on those routes, you can assume that load factors on those routes were respectively ca. 97%, 95% and 91%.Very impressive numbers!


Don't TUI and AY both serve Thailand from HEL ?

Sorry, I forget to mention that these numbers was scheluded flights and I think TUI not serve Thailand at low season. Btw, AY is only carrier who have scheluded flights from Finland to Thailand.

Edit: I just check that there wasnt any charter passengers in July. Jan-Jul charters had 33420 passengers together between Finland and Thailand.
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation Part 5

Wed Aug 09, 2017 11:31 am

DHL's 1x weekly fish feeder (With A300F) OSL-LKL-OSL seems to be going well, as later this August the frequency is increased to 2x weekly as a new Friday rotation is added
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation Part 5

Wed Aug 09, 2017 12:03 pm

armchairceonr1 wrote:
According Finavia there was in July 20237 passengers between Thailand and Finland, 24844 passengers between Hongkong and Finland and 7333 passengers between Qatar and Finland. Because there is only one carrier on those routes, you can assume that load factors on those routes were respectively ca. 97%, 95% and 91%.Very impressive numbers!


Hate to nitpick, but shouldn't the last one be around 90%?
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation Part 5

Wed Aug 09, 2017 1:11 pm

Nami wrote:
armchairceonr1 wrote:
According Finavia there was in July 20237 passengers between Thailand and Finland, 24844 passengers between Hongkong and Finland and 7333 passengers between Qatar and Finland. Because there is only one carrier on those routes, you can assume that load factors on those routes were respectively ca. 97%, 95% and 91%.Very impressive numbers!


Hate to nitpick, but shouldn't the last one be around 90%?

You are absolutely right, my bad :(
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation Part 5

Wed Aug 09, 2017 2:31 pm

armchairceonr1 wrote:
According Finavia there was in July 20237 passengers between Thailand and Finland, 24844 passengers between Hongkong and Finland and 7333 passengers between Qatar and Finland. Because there is only one carrier on those routes, you can assume that load factors on those routes were respectively ca. 97%, 95% and 91%.Very impressive numbers!

Seoul also has the load factor of over 90%. I calculated that in July AY had the seating capacity of 20,520 seats on the route to Seoul. 18,591 passengers (+6.5% compared to Jul 2016) traveled between Finland and South Korea. The only route to South Korea is to Seoul (ICN). That means this route had the passenger load factor of 90.6%. I don't know if there are more long haul routes that have passenger load factors of over 90%.

Passenger load factors

    HEL-BKK (97%)
    HEL-DOH (91% or is it less?)
    HEL-HKG (95%)
    HEL-ICN (91%)

But yeah, those are very impressive numbers!
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Wed Aug 09, 2017 2:39 pm

I have to say that I was a bit skeptical when QR announced the route, but when you count the PLF for the whole year it's been more or less the same as in July. Assuming of course that QR has been flying the A320 with lie-flat business class seats (in total 132 seats and not 144) for the whole year.

Will be interesting to see how well they can fill the 787 after the upgauge happens next month.
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation Part 5

Wed Aug 09, 2017 2:53 pm

Nami wrote:
I have to say that I was a bit skeptical when QR announced the route, but when you count the PLF for the whole year it's been more or less the same as in July. Assuming of course that QR has been flying the A320 with lie-flat business class seats (12J+120Y) for the whole year.

Will be interesting to see how well they can fill the 787 after the upgauge happens next month.

It has been very big success, new route get around 90% LF less than one year timeframe. Jan-Jul LF was even higher, if QR use same equipment whole time. I would like QR add frequency before uppgauging plane, it would serve passengers even better.
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation Part 5

Thu Aug 10, 2017 7:44 am

Two Scandinavian NEO deliveries

SAS received their 11th A320neo yesterday, while Novair is to receive their 2nd and final A321neo today

Airbus A320 -251N 7602 SE-ROA SAS delivery 09aug17 XFW-ARN ex D-AUBM


Airbus A321 -251N 7807 SE-RKB Novair delivery 10aug17 XFW-ARN ex D-AVZB
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation Part 5

Thu Aug 10, 2017 9:59 am

I'm wondering is Stockholm going to lose the service from United at some point? The PAX on the EWR-ARN route decreased by 9.6 per cent compared to 2016. United has not been successful in Scandinavia, CPH and OSL don't have services from UA anymore. Both UA and DL have had to decrease frequencies lately. Delta Air Lines' route to CPH might be more profitable than Delta's JFK-ARN and United's EWR-ARN. Is United Airlines' route to Stockholm profitable enough to sustain?
ATL, AYT, FRA, FUE, HEL, JFK, LCA, LHR, MUC
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Re: Nordic Aviation Part 5

Thu Aug 10, 2017 10:15 am

QuawerAir wrote:
I'm wondering is Stockholm going to lose the service from United at some point? The PAX on the EWR-ARN route decreased by 9.6 per cent compared to 2016. United has not been successful in Scandinavia, CPH and OSL don't have services from UA anymore. Both UA and DL have had to decrease frequencies lately. Delta Air Lines' route to CPH might be more profitable than Delta's JFK-ARN and United's EWR-ARN. Is United Airlines' route to Stockholm profitable enough to sustain?


It would be interesting to know why the USA airlines are not able to compete on those routes.
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation Part 5

Thu Aug 10, 2017 10:26 am

Actually AY used in July four times A359 with 297 seats to BKK rotation, so LF was awesome 98,6%.
QuawerAir wrote:
armchairceonr1 wrote:
According Finavia there was in July 20237 passengers between Thailand and Finland, 24844 passengers between Hongkong and Finland and 7333 passengers between Qatar and Finland. Because there is only one carrier on those routes, you can assume that load factors on those routes were respectively ca. 97%, 95% and 91%.Very impressive numbers!

Seoul also has the load factor of over 90%. I calculated that in July AY had the seating capacity of 20,520 seats on the route to Seoul. 18,591 passengers (+6.5% compared to Jul 2016) traveled between Finland and South Korea. The only route to South Korea is to Seoul (ICN). That means this route had the passenger load factor of 90.6%. I don't know if there are more long haul routes that have passenger load factors of over 90%.

Passenger load factors

    HEL-BKK (97%)
    HEL-DOH (91% or is it less?)
    HEL-HKG (95%)
    HEL-ICN (91%)

But yeah, those are very impressive numbers!

Yes, HEL-DOH was about 90%. AY seating capasity to Seoul was actually 20442, they had five rotation with 297 seats in July. HEL-SIN looks also very good, LF was 95,8% in July. I think in July AYs LF was under 90% only secondary destinations at China and maybe also Fukuoka at Japan.
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation Part 5

Thu Aug 10, 2017 10:29 am

mjoelnir wrote:
QuawerAir wrote:
I'm wondering is Stockholm going to lose the service from United at some point? The PAX on the EWR-ARN route decreased by 9.6 per cent compared to 2016. United has not been successful in Scandinavia, CPH and OSL don't have services from UA anymore. Both UA and DL have had to decrease frequencies lately. Delta Air Lines' route to CPH might be more profitable than Delta's JFK-ARN and United's EWR-ARN. Is United Airlines' route to Stockholm profitable enough to sustain?


It would be interesting to know why the USA airlines are not able to compete on those routes.

Yeah, it would be. US Airways also flew to Stockholm 10 years ago with Boeing 767-200ER.
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Re: Nordic Aviation Part 5

Thu Aug 10, 2017 10:46 am

mjoelnir wrote:
QuawerAir wrote:
I'm wondering is Stockholm going to lose the service from United at some point? The PAX on the EWR-ARN route decreased by 9.6 per cent compared to 2016. United has not been successful in Scandinavia, CPH and OSL don't have services from UA anymore. Both UA and DL have had to decrease frequencies lately. Delta Air Lines' route to CPH might be more profitable than Delta's JFK-ARN and United's EWR-ARN. Is United Airlines' route to Stockholm profitable enough to sustain?


It would be interesting to know why the USA airlines are not able to compete on those routes.

Maybe due to overcapasity and lack of connection traffic? Also there is not any very strong player on the ARN-CPH-OSL longhaul markets, not to Asia and neither to NA.
 
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Thu Aug 10, 2017 10:48 am

armchairceonr1 wrote:
Actually AY used in July four times A359 with 297 seats to BKK rotation, so LF was awesome 98,6%.
QuawerAir wrote:
armchairceonr1 wrote:
According Finavia there was in July 20237 passengers between Thailand and Finland, 24844 passengers between Hongkong and Finland and 7333 passengers between Qatar and Finland. Because there is only one carrier on those routes, you can assume that load factors on those routes were respectively ca. 97%, 95% and 91%.Very impressive numbers!

Seoul also has the load factor of over 90%. I calculated that in July AY had the seating capacity of 20,520 seats on the route to Seoul. 18,591 passengers (+6.5% compared to Jul 2016) traveled between Finland and South Korea. The only route to South Korea is to Seoul (ICN). That means this route had the passenger load factor of 90.6%. I don't know if there are more long haul routes that have passenger load factors of over 90%.

Passenger load factors

    HEL-BKK (97%)
    HEL-DOH (91% or is it less?)
    HEL-HKG (95%)
    HEL-ICN (91%)

But yeah, those are very impressive numbers!

Yes, HEL-DOH was about 90%. AY seating capasity to Seoul was actually 20442, they had five rotation with 297 seats in July. HEL-SIN looks also very good, LF was 95,8% in July. I think in July AYs LF was under 90% only secondary destinations at China and maybe also Fukuoka at Japan.

The inaugural flight on HEL-FUK had the LF of 97.3%. I guess the passenger number on HEL-SIN route will grow by around 20,000 this year (the total of over 160,000 passengers) which would be very impressive. Thai Airways should try BKK-HEL route due to very high LF and because there is quite much O/D traffic between Finland and Bangkok. I've heard Thai Airways has been interested in launching service to Helsinki for many years. I've also heard that the reason why TG has not launched the service to Helsinki is that there have not been any jet bridges at HEL that can handle Boeing 747s and even 777s until now (not 747 or A380 yet but in 2020). In addition, Thai only operated to Europe with Boeing 777 and 747, not with for example with A330, but now with A350. So now TG should have an opportunity to launch the service.
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Thu Aug 10, 2017 11:11 am

QuawerAir wrote:
The inaugural flight on HEL-FUK had the LF of 97.3%. I guess the passenger number on HEL-SIN route will grow by around 20,000 this year (the total of over 160,000 passengers) which would be very impressive. Thai Airways should try BKK-HEL route due to very high LF and because there is quite much O/D traffic between Finland and Bangkok. I've heard Thai Airways has been interested in launching service to Helsinki for many years. I've also heard that the reason why TG has not launched the service to Helsinki is that there have not been any jet bridges at HEL that can handle Boeing 747s and even 777s until now (not 747 or A380 yet but in 2020). In addition, Thai only operated to Europe with Boeing 777 and 747, not with for example with A330, but now with A350. So now TG should have an opportunity to launch the service.

AY is also going add capasity to HEL-SIN route, W17 it was 5/w W18 its going to be daily. HEL have lack of widebody gates in non-Schengen terminal, but I never heard about incapality about handling 747s and 777s. I think Thai should start service before Norwegian, there is absolutely enough room to other operator. Actually maybe only longhaul route from HEL, where is enough O/D demand for two player.
 
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Thu Aug 10, 2017 11:42 am

armchairceonr1 wrote:
QuawerAir wrote:
The inaugural flight on HEL-FUK had the LF of 97.3%. I guess the passenger number on HEL-SIN route will grow by around 20,000 this year (the total of over 160,000 passengers) which would be very impressive. Thai Airways should try BKK-HEL route due to very high LF and because there is quite much O/D traffic between Finland and Bangkok. I've heard Thai Airways has been interested in launching service to Helsinki for many years. I've also heard that the reason why TG has not launched the service to Helsinki is that there have not been any jet bridges at HEL that can handle Boeing 747s and even 777s until now (not 747 or A380 yet but in 2020). In addition, Thai only operated to Europe with Boeing 777 and 747, not with for example with A330, but now with A350. So now TG should have an opportunity to launch the service.

AY is also going add capasity to HEL-SIN route, W17 it was 5/w W18 its going to be daily. HEL have lack of widebody gates in non-Schengen terminal, but I never heard about incapality about handling 747s and 777s. I think Thai should start service before Norwegian, there is absolutely enough room to other operator. Actually maybe only longhaul route from HEL, where is enough O/D demand for two player.

Finnair would also like to add capacity to Seoul but the air transport agreement between Finland and South Korea allows only 7 weekly flights. South Korea and Finland planned to discuss addition of direct flights between two countries on 30 May 2017. The Finnish government was reported to have requested the Korean government to double the number of passenger flights between the two nations by creating a new route to Busan. However, nothing was published about it neither on 30 May or later. I don't know why.
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Re: Nordic Aviation Part 5

Thu Aug 10, 2017 2:56 pm

QuawerAir wrote:
Thai Airways should try BKK-HEL route due to very high LF and because there is quite much O/D traffic between Finland and Bangkok. I've heard Thai Airways has been interested in launching service to Helsinki for many years. I've also heard that the reason why TG has not launched the service to Helsinki is that there have not been any jet bridges at HEL that can handle Boeing 747s and even 777s until now (not 747 or A380 yet but in 2020). In addition, Thai only operated to Europe with Boeing 777 and 747, not with for example with A330, but now with A350. So now TG should have an opportunity to launch the service.


You can't really deduce from those numbers that the O&D has been growing. Tourism statistics for the past years actually show declining number of tourist arrivals to Thailand from the Nordic countries (at least between Jan-Jul). And arrivals from Finland are the smallest number of the bunch.

http://www.atta.or.th/?p=4019
http://www.mots.go.th/more_news.php?cid ... name=index

From what I've read on FT it appears to me that AY has managed to attract quite a bit more traffic to BKK from around Europe than before.

I think the whole talk about how the airport operator wanted to protect AY and block TG's arrival back in the day just seems like an urban myth with no basis in fact.
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation Part 5

Thu Aug 10, 2017 4:17 pm

Nami wrote:
QuawerAir wrote:
Thai Airways should try BKK-HEL route due to very high LF and because there is quite much O/D traffic between Finland and Bangkok. I've heard Thai Airways has been interested in launching service to Helsinki for many years. I've also heard that the reason why TG has not launched the service to Helsinki is that there have not been any jet bridges at HEL that can handle Boeing 747s and even 777s until now (not 747 or A380 yet but in 2020). In addition, Thai only operated to Europe with Boeing 777 and 747, not with for example with A330, but now with A350. So now TG should have an opportunity to launch the service.


You can't really deduce from those numbers that the O&D has been growing. Tourism statistics for the past years actually show declining number of tourist arrivals to Thailand from the Nordic countries (at least between Jan-Jul). And arrivals from Finland are the smallest number of the bunch.

http://www.atta.or.th/?p=4019
http://www.mots.go.th/more_news.php?cid ... name=index

From what I've read on FT it appears to me that AY has managed to attract quite a bit more traffic to BKK from around Europe than before.

I think the whole talk about how the airport operator wanted to protect AY and block TG's arrival back in the day just seems like an urban myth with no basis in fact.

I think QuawerAir not speak about growing O&D, he speak that there is big O&D market between Thailand and Finland. AYs Asian traffic growth comes from Europe, but that doesnt mean that there is not enough demand for other carrier to BKK route. W18 schedule AY has 16 flights/week to BKK and 5/week to Krabi and Phuket, I think there is small piece of cake available to other carrier too.
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation Part 5

Thu Aug 10, 2017 4:35 pm

TG should get some feed from star fellows, but in Scandinavia sas already feed osl/cph and arn. I don't see how TG could work in Helsinki....
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation Part 5

Thu Aug 10, 2017 5:43 pm

armchairceonr1 wrote:
I think QuawerAir not speak about growing O&D, he speak that there is big O&D market between Thailand and Finland. AYs Asian traffic growth comes from Europe, but that doesnt mean that there is not enough demand for other carrier to BKK route. W18 schedule AY has 16 flights/week to BKK and 5/week to Krabi and Phuket, I think there is small piece of cake available to other carrier too.


I know, but the fact that the amount of arrivals is not exactly growing and also AY increasing flights will probably rather deter than encourage TG from considering flights to HEL. Can TG compete on price?

All that being said, in 2016 there were more arrivals from Finland than Austria (TG is relaunching VIE). So perhaps a few weekly frequencies might work, but it's still probably not going to happen.
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation Part 5

Fri Aug 11, 2017 3:52 am

Finnair in summer 2018 season plans to offer seasonal Spanish service from Oulu, with weekly Oulu – Palma Mallorca operation. From 20JUN18 to 08AUG18, Airbus A321Sharklet aircraft will operate this route on Wednesdays.

AY7059 OUL1625 – 2005PMI 32B 3
AY7060 PMI0955 – 1520OUL 32B 3

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Re: Nordic Aviation Part 5

Fri Aug 11, 2017 3:53 pm

A summary of the traffic figures for the Nordic capital airports of July 2017 (compared to June 2016;

Keflavik (KEF) +22,2%
Helsinki (HEL) +10,5
Stockholm (ARN) +9%
Copenhagen (CPH) +0,8%
Oslo (OSL) no data
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Re: Nordic Aviation Part 5

Fri Aug 11, 2017 4:02 pm

X2K wrote:
A summary of the traffic figures for the Nordic capital airports of July 2017 (compared to June 2016;

Keflavik (KEF) +22,2%
Helsinki (HEL) +10,5
Stockholm (ARN) +9%
Copenhagen (CPH) +0,8%
Oslo (OSL) no data

What happened to Copenhagen? CPH had very strong growth last year.
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Re: Nordic Aviation Part 5

Sat Aug 12, 2017 12:55 am

And in numbers - July 2017. (versus July 2016)

CPH 3.012.499 +0,8%
OSL 2.685.042 +9,4%
ARN 2.575.969 +9,0%
HEL 1.768.664 +10,5%
REY. 1.099.963 +22,21%

For REY is it a milestone when they got more than 1 million passengers for a month. And CPH got also a milestone when they got more than 3 millions for a month.
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation Part 5

Sat Aug 12, 2017 8:57 pm

SAS seems to have had a rough weekend with their longhaul from ARN.
Several delays and several aircraft changes. Today's flight to HKG departed 4 hours late but had to turn back when they were over Helsinki due to technical problems.
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Re: Nordic Aviation Part 5

Sat Aug 12, 2017 10:04 pm

I noticed that as well. There were some other interesting flight paths this evening due to a bit of a storm in the region. This MU flight probably had the strangest route and it made me wonder if this had to do with some kind of border cross permissions as moments earlier an LH flight crossed the border without a hassle. SU's flights from SVO to OSL and ARN had to take quite lengthy detours around the storm as well.
 
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Sun Aug 13, 2017 12:54 am

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What happened to Copenhagen? CPH had very strong growth last year.

Due to the immigrant crisis the railway station in the basement of CPH was turned into a passport control site. The resulting mess scared many potential pax away from CPH.

People living in western Denmark learned that AMS, CDG, FRA were often a more convenient gateway to European and intercontinental destinations. KL, AF and LH took advantage of that with more flights and larger planes mainly from BLL, but also from AAL. BA opened a route BLL-LHR. Also more Swedes living in southern Sweden learned to use GOT or ARN to avoid the mess at CPH.

The mess was "corrected" a few months ago. Passport control for train passengers from Denmark to Sweden is now at a train station on Swedish soil - not an airport-train station. But the damage for CPH has been done and will be long lasting, since people have now learned that AMS, CDG, FRA, LHR are in many cases the optimal gateways for especially Danes living in the western part of Denmark.

Passport control between Denmark and Sweden was suspended in 1954. Therefore, when 50 years later the Øresund Bridge was built, then no facilities for passport control was planned. When it was re-introduced last year they chose to place it at the CPH underground train station where there was not one single square foot available for that. The bummer of the century. :cry:
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Re: Nordic Aviation Part 5

Sun Aug 13, 2017 6:04 am

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X2K wrote:
A summary of the traffic figures for the Nordic capital airports of July 2017 (compared to June 2016;

Keflavik (KEF) +22,2%
Helsinki (HEL) +10,5
Stockholm (ARN) +9%
Copenhagen (CPH) +0,8%
Oslo (OSL) no data

What happened to Copenhagen? CPH had very strong growth last year.


Their route developement team dissolved. Their former highly recognized management is now working for Swedavia and Avinor.
Such a successful team takes years to build and I believe both HEL, KEF, ARN and OSL is now for the first time bringing real competition to route developement in Nordics. For the first time, CPH is not alone and defining Nordic traffic developement.
A big concern in Denmark, underlined by the controversy of a new airline strategy and much criticism in the media.

CPH's growth was last year driven by Ryanair, furious competition, ridiculously low rates and over capacity by several airlines.
Airlines like Easyjet has quietly cut back almost 25% capacity.
Rates are also record low this summer, so I would not be surprised if further correction in capacity will affect their traffic number in the upcoming 12 months or more.
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation Part 5

Sun Aug 13, 2017 7:44 am

The passport controls in CPH station were cancelled in May.
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Re: Nordic Aviation Part 5

Sun Aug 13, 2017 10:27 am

Nami wrote:
I noticed that as well. There were some other interesting flight paths this evening due to a bit of a storm in the region.


A front of severe thunderstorms hit Helsinki city and moved north-east over HEL. The winds looked really strong, no wonder new flight paths were chosen.

Even the national emergency warning system went on, tv programming was interrupted by a banner: Winds over land may reach dangerous velocities, for your safety stay inside. An American friend in Helsinki found this amusing, he thought a 3 class tornado or something was coming and then we got a good thunderstorm. Nanny state! ;)
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation Part 5

Mon Aug 14, 2017 9:51 am

HELyes wrote:
Nami wrote:
I noticed that as well. There were some other interesting flight paths this evening due to a bit of a storm in the region.


A front of severe thunderstorms hit Helsinki city and moved north-east over HEL. The winds looked really strong, no wonder new flight paths were chosen.

Even the national emergency warning system went on, tv programming was interrupted by a banner: Winds over land may reach dangerous velocities, for your safety stay inside. An American friend in Helsinki found this amusing, he thought a 3 class tornado or something was coming and then we got a good thunderstorm. Nanny state! ;)

The storms moved north-east direction so they hampered a lot of flight routes. For example CA's PEK-LHR turned north and passed city of Lahti from the east and city of Tampere from the north. That was like 2-3 hours detour to avoid the thunder storms.
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Re: Nordic Aviation Part 5

Mon Aug 14, 2017 3:21 pm

Why is Finnair flying to Copenhagen with Airbus A330?
ATL, AYT, FRA, FUE, HEL, JFK, LCA, LHR, MUC
AY, BA, DL, FH, LH, LO
A320, A321, A333, 752, 764, 772, 787
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation Part 5

Mon Aug 14, 2017 3:25 pm

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Why is Finnair flying to Copenhagen with Airbus A330?


Not the first time this summer. AY has an additional A330 with no proper work at the moment. I believe last year Copenhagen was the most popular destination for Chinese travelers on package tours who flew AY.
 
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Thu Aug 17, 2017 9:51 am

As of 29 Oct 2017, Aeroflot will operate Moscow (SVO) - Helsinki (HEL) route 3x daily instead of 2x daily.

https://centreforaviation.com/news/aeroflot-to-increase-moscow-helsinki-frequency-from-oct-2017-704854
ATL, AYT, FRA, FUE, HEL, JFK, LCA, LHR, MUC
AY, BA, DL, FH, LH, LO
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Re: Nordic Aviation Part 5

Thu Aug 17, 2017 9:59 am

QuawerAir wrote:
Why is Finnair flying to Copenhagen with Airbus A330?


Freight perhaps?
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation Part 5

Thu Aug 17, 2017 10:10 am

QuawerAir wrote:
As of 29 Oct 2017, Aeroflot will operate Moscow (SVO) - Helsinki (HEL) route 3x daily instead of 2x daily.


This is a result of the bilateral agreement. I wonder if AY will have one more daily as well.
 
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Thu Aug 17, 2017 10:11 am

mjoelnir wrote:
QuawerAir wrote:
Why is Finnair flying to Copenhagen with Airbus A330?


Freight perhaps?

Nope but there is a lot of tourist buses on the bus area before the flight arrives. ;) a lot of Chinese people board them.... just saying....
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Thu Aug 17, 2017 11:12 am

Norwegian prime minister Erna Solberg opened the new terminal 3 at BGO today. With the new terminal capacity at BGO is increased by 7.5 to 10 million pax per year. The new terminal will handle domestic traffic, while the old main terminal will be upgraded and handle international traffic. The terminals are connected by walkway. The new terminal has a light rail station on the lower floor, connecting the airport to the city center with departures every 5 to 10 minutes.

More information in a local newspaper (in Norwegian): https://www.bt.no/nyheter/lokalt/i/72nB ... nd-direkte
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation Part 5

Thu Aug 17, 2017 11:39 am

teme82 wrote:
mjoelnir wrote:
QuawerAir wrote:
Why is Finnair flying to Copenhagen with Airbus A330?


Freight perhaps?

Nope but there is a lot of tourist buses on the bus area before the flight arrives. ;) a lot of Chinese people board them.... just saying....


So you do know that there is no freight? I did not mean an empty plane regarding passengers, but a need for cargo capacity supplied by the belly of the A330.
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation Part 5

Thu Aug 17, 2017 11:56 am

QuawerAir wrote:
As of 29 Oct 2017, Aeroflot will operate Moscow (SVO) - Helsinki (HEL) route 3x daily instead of 2x daily.

https://centreforaviation.com/news/aeroflot-to-increase-moscow-helsinki-frequency-from-oct-2017-704854


I would have liked to see S7 returning instead. They flew for a while in 2014 but the falling ruble ended the flights quite quickly.
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