JetBuddy wrote:Apparently, Norwegian has received rights to fly over Russia on some departures out of ARN and CPH. Good for them!
And Merry Christmas everyone!
Not Siberia, but southern Russian corridor.
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Not Siberia, but southern Russian corridor.
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QuawerAir wrote:Little competition would be good indeed. As far as I know Thai Airways planned BKK-HEL about 10 years ago, but I don't know is HEL in plans anymore. HEL must be the largest hub of Norwegian without any long haul flights operated by DY. Instead of HEL, DY plans to launch long haul routes from small airports (in terms of seats offered by DY/D8) such as MXP, that has only 2 routes or AMS, that has only 4 routes. Norwegian's seat capacity is also much less at those airports than at HEL. That's why I find the lack of DY long haul flights from HEL slightly strange but I think Norwegian keeps eye mostly on O/D markets.
I think that it all has to do with the current overflight agreement with Russia. It states that it only applies to carries that has majority ownership by Finnish entities (private/public). So since DY is not Finnish company they can't fly over Russia and that will add distance to the flights to BKK for example.
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JetBuddy wrote:Apparently, Norwegian has received rights to fly over Russia on some departures out of ARN and CPH. Good for them!
And Merry Christmas everyone!
Yes, as revealed by me in the stand alone thread
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DY deserves a study-case;)
This airline growth is freaking crazy. At some point, DY needs to establish somewhere so that they can focus (and get revenues) from their efforts. They have a very cool proposal, which is probably aiming to be rellevant for the leisure pax. It works and some of their routes are quite established and report decent load factors. Still far from other low cost carriers, which makes me think of poor yields in some of their routes.
When they added SEA, DEN, and SIN, I sort of felt they were moving a bit towards a mix of pax. These are a bit more business routes, or at least not purely leisure like others they started with. They are still too new, but as far as I know, they are moving around 60% of loads, getting some better. In fact, Norwegian’s global load factor is just 83,7%, too low in my opinion for a low cost airline. Adding capacity to LGW-JFK probes also that they need to make something else apart from just feeling up planes.
All this Argentinian part of the story... makes no sense to me, other than getting rid off some of the numerous planes they keep receiving. They have a bit of an issue as well with AOCs, as they got several in order to get the permits to fly to the different regions they operate. However, that costs a lot in terms of fleets, crews, and manuals divisions.
I would stick to one main base, which I don't know where it needs to be in fact.... (maybe LGW, despite the Brexit...), and fly out of there feeding well with the EU network. This base in the States could never get as much connecting pax, plus would face lots of competition from American carriers.
This airline growth is freaking crazy. At some point, DY needs to establish somewhere so that they can focus (and get revenues) from their efforts. They have a very cool proposal, which is probably aiming to be rellevant for the leisure pax. It works and some of their routes are quite established and report decent load factors. Still far from other low cost carriers, which makes me think of poor yields in some of their routes.
When they added SEA, DEN, and SIN, I sort of felt they were moving a bit towards a mix of pax. These are a bit more business routes, or at least not purely leisure like others they started with. They are still too new, but as far as I know, they are moving around 60% of loads, getting some better. In fact, Norwegian’s global load factor is just 83,7%, too low in my opinion for a low cost airline. Adding capacity to LGW-JFK probes also that they need to make something else apart from just feeling up planes.
All this Argentinian part of the story... makes no sense to me, other than getting rid off some of the numerous planes they keep receiving. They have a bit of an issue as well with AOCs, as they got several in order to get the permits to fly to the different regions they operate. However, that costs a lot in terms of fleets, crews, and manuals divisions.
I would stick to one main base, which I don't know where it needs to be in fact.... (maybe LGW, despite the Brexit...), and fly out of there feeding well with the EU network. This base in the States could never get as much connecting pax, plus would face lots of competition from American carriers.
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Maybe I am gonna talk crap but...
Don't you think that Norwegian needs some sort of industrial partner? Somehow Norwegian has managed to put all the investment needed (at least so far) in order to fund all the growth they´ve done. But...
Norwegian is strong in Europe with its short haul operation, mainly based in Scandinavia.
Vueling is strong in Europe with its short haul operation, mainly based in the South and the Mediterranean region.
Both suffer from intense competition from EZY and RYR.
Norwegian is trying to be pioneering the long-haul-low-cost flights. It works, but still generates lots of doubts.
Level has been created to compete face to face with them, no matter how tiny yields are where they clash.
What if IAG acquired DY (or part of it), so that they can cooperate in order to create a big and strong network for both short, and long- haul low cost sections or their business?
Don't you think that Norwegian needs some sort of industrial partner? Somehow Norwegian has managed to put all the investment needed (at least so far) in order to fund all the growth they´ve done. But...
Norwegian is strong in Europe with its short haul operation, mainly based in Scandinavia.
Vueling is strong in Europe with its short haul operation, mainly based in the South and the Mediterranean region.
Both suffer from intense competition from EZY and RYR.
Norwegian is trying to be pioneering the long-haul-low-cost flights. It works, but still generates lots of doubts.
Level has been created to compete face to face with them, no matter how tiny yields are where they clash.
What if IAG acquired DY (or part of it), so that they can cooperate in order to create a big and strong network for both short, and long- haul low cost sections or their business?
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X2K wrote:Qatar Airways will deploy the A350-900 on 1 of the 2 daily flights between Doha and Stockholm from 01 JUN 18. The other flight will remain to be operated by B787-8.
Qatar Airways will also deploy A359 to CPH from August 18 and will go all A359 at CPH from september 18:
https://twitter.com/cphtraveller/status ... 5090139136
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Missed this: Finnair started seasonal flights from Gatwick to Lapland airports KTT and IVL.
https://twitter.com/Finnair/status/943851328241061889
https://twitter.com/Finnair/status/943851328241061889
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HELyes wrote:Missed this: Finnair started seasonal flights from Gatwick to Lapland airports KTT and IVL.
https://twitter.com/Finnair/status/943851328241061889
From ZRH too and CDG/FRA I think. This was announced in the beginning of 2017 and AY confirmed that those flights will operate again in the W18 schedule.
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LH flies also to northern Norway with a 2x weekly FRA-TOS during winter.
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florens wrote:HELyes wrote:Missed this: Finnair started seasonal flights from Gatwick to Lapland airports KTT and IVL.
https://twitter.com/Finnair/status/943851328241061889
From ZRH too and CDG/FRA I think. This was announced in the beginning of 2017 and AY confirmed that those flights will operate again in the W18 schedule.
Routes are:
KTT-ZRH
KTT-LGW (source: http://www.travelweekly.co.uk/articles/ ... land-route)
KTT-CDG
IVL-LGW
Seems like they axed the flight to FRA.
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Starting late March, AF will increase GOT-CDG form 2 to 3 daily flights. There will now be a flight in the morning, one at lunch and one during late afternoon.
This after KL increased GOT-AMS from 5 to 6 daily flights last May. In total AF/KL will have gone up from 7 to 9 daily flights at GOT!
Other than that, LH also increased GOT-FRA from 4 to 5 daily last month (mainly A320/A321)...
This after KL increased GOT-AMS from 5 to 6 daily flights last May. In total AF/KL will have gone up from 7 to 9 daily flights at GOT!
Other than that, LH also increased GOT-FRA from 4 to 5 daily last month (mainly A320/A321)...
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cityairline wrote:Starting late March, AF will increase GOT-CDG form 2 to 3 daily flights. There will now be a flight in the morning, one at lunch and one during late afternoon.
This after KL increased GOT-AMS from 5 to 6 daily flights last May. In total AF/KL will have gone up from 7 to 9 daily flights at GOT!
Other than that, LH also increased GOT-FRA from 4 to 5 daily last month (mainly A320/A321)...
Sas should base 4/5 A 321LR at GOT And serve few North American destinations with thin traffic..
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Norwegian plans to expand 737 MAX 8 operation at Helsinki from 28OCT18. But on which routes?
Effective date of expansion may move forward.
Twitter
Effective date of expansion may move forward.
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Germania opens a new link to Pristina from Helsinki on 30 March 2018. Will be operated in summer season once a week with 150-seat Airbus A319.
Finavia (in Finnish)
Finavia (in Finnish)
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Dubai – Stockholm Arlanda Seasonal flight increase, EK155/156, will be offered during following periods in S18:
25MAR18 – 15APR18 Day 567 (Overall 10 weekly)
01JUL18 – 30SEP18 Daily (Overall 2 daily)
Emirates S18 changes as of 28DEC17
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FlyViking will cease flying January 12th. Not a big surprise as they have been bleeding money from day 1
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Someone83 wrote:FlyViking will cease flying January 12th. Not a big surprise as they have been bleeding money from day 1
No surprise. WF is a mighty competitor. They are also saying that they bought a plane that they could not use as intended. Did they not check the aircraft enough prior to buying/leasing?
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Finnair has received its last new A321 (OH-LZS) this year, one more to come next year. Already 11 aircraft have been delivered to Finnair this year, including 3 A350s and 9 A321s.
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QuawerAir wrote:Norwegian plans to expand 737 MAX 8 operation at Helsinki from 28OCT18. But on which routes?
Effective date of expansion may move forward.
Would at any extent the range of this plane be enough for some sort of logical long-haul operation from HEL?
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a350lover wrote:QuawerAir wrote:Norwegian plans to expand 737 MAX 8 operation at Helsinki from 28OCT18. But on which routes?
Effective date of expansion may move forward.
Would at any extent the range of this plane be enough for some sort of logical long-haul operation from HEL?
Is Mumbai close enough for 737 MAX 8 operations? India could be a good destination for Norwegian, but at the moment they cannot use the Russian airspace from HEL. How about other Middle Eastern cities. I read a news about how traveling to Finland has increased and there were said that traveling from Saudi Arabia, UAE and Bahrain to Finland has increased recently.
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As far as I know, HEL just has a link to DEL operated by Finnair which flies up to 6X weekly. Fllight time is 6.45min, I am not sure if that's whithin the range of the 737-8 MAX. Delhi ranks 13th on the busiest international routes out of HEL, and counted a bit more than 82K direct pax in 2016
On the other hand, I guess Norwegian short-haul network would also need to strengthen there, so that they can feed connections, which would be there main goal to fly long-haul from Helsinki. It won't be as easy as compeating against SAS in Scandinavia, Finnair is very strong at its main base.
Maybe just another way of deploying planes everywhere due DY crazy pace of expanding?
On the other hand, I guess Norwegian short-haul network would also need to strengthen there, so that they can feed connections, which would be there main goal to fly long-haul from Helsinki. It won't be as easy as compeating against SAS in Scandinavia, Finnair is very strong at its main base.
Maybe just another way of deploying planes everywhere due DY crazy pace of expanding?
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People tend to forget bilateral limitations in these discussions.
The world market is not deregulated to a such degree that one can serve two points just by the theoretical range.
The world market is not deregulated to a such degree that one can serve two points just by the theoretical range.
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Wonder if norwegian could expand the domestic flights withhin finland.. lets say Kuopio could be one more destination
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At least there will be a lot of more destinations and seats from HEL by Norwegian in the near future. In October 2016, Björn Kjøs said at Helsinki Airport that Norwegian aims to double its flights from HEL within next 5 years (2021). Since DY has recently focused on Gatwick and cities in the Central and Southern Europe, such as Paris, Rome, and Barcelona, I think it's now more likely that DY will launch long-haul services from HEL in 2019, instead of 2018.
I'm writing a post about Norwegian while there are Norwegian's ads on this website
I'm writing a post about Norwegian while there are Norwegian's ads on this website
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Helsinki-Kuopio gets 42 flights per week in each direction (7× weekdays, less at weekends) with over 200,000 passengers per year
All flights are controlled by Finnair
Looks to me like there is room for a competitor to enter the market
All flights are controlled by Finnair
Looks to me like there is room for a competitor to enter the market
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It has been a great year for Finnair and Helsinki, and also for Nordic aviation in general!
For 2018, HEL will have more frequencies on current routes to cities such as Bangkok, Delhi, Doha, Tokyo, Singapore, Hong Kong, Barcelona, Pristina, San Francisco, Chicago and propably Beijing, compared to same periods in 2017. Also, new routes will be launched to Nanjing, Chengdu, Kunming, Lisbon, Stuttgart and propably to Hannover and Cologne. In addition, Tibet Airlines left an application to CAAC for a new service from Jinan to Helsinki.
How does the year 2018 look like for ARN, CPH, OSL and KEF?
HAPPY NEW YEAR EVERYONE!
For 2018, HEL will have more frequencies on current routes to cities such as Bangkok, Delhi, Doha, Tokyo, Singapore, Hong Kong, Barcelona, Pristina, San Francisco, Chicago and propably Beijing, compared to same periods in 2017. Also, new routes will be launched to Nanjing, Chengdu, Kunming, Lisbon, Stuttgart and propably to Hannover and Cologne. In addition, Tibet Airlines left an application to CAAC for a new service from Jinan to Helsinki.
How does the year 2018 look like for ARN, CPH, OSL and KEF?
HAPPY NEW YEAR EVERYONE!
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QuawerAir wrote:It has been a great year for Finnair and Helsinki, and also for Nordic aviation in general!
For 2018, HEL will have more frequencies on current routes to cities such as Bangkok, Delhi, Doha, Tokyo, Singapore, Hong Kong, Barcelona, Pristina, San Francisco, Chicago and propably Beijing, compared to same periods in 2017. Also, new routes will be launched to Nanjing, Chengdu, Kunming, Lisbon, Stuttgart and propably to Hannover and Cologne. In addition, Tibet Airlines left an application to CAAC for a new service from Jinan to Helsinki.
How does the year 2018 look like for ARN, CPH, OSL and KEF?
HAPPY NEW YEAR EVERYONE!
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