Nordic Aviation 2017

Oykie · Mon Sep 18, 2017 3:28 pm

Someone83 wrote:
EI-FPP, another CRJ-900 to Cityjet i SAS colours has been delivered new from Bombardier and placed in scheduled traffic. First SAS flight was CPH-BHX this morning

I had my first experience onboard a CityJet CRJ-900 in SAS colors yesterday. It was EI-FPB. I was pleasantly surprised. After all the horror stories on A.net regarding the CRJ, I did not expect a smooth ride and easier viewing out of windows compared to a 737 and A320.

SRQKEF · Mon Sep 18, 2017 4:33 pm

Oykie wrote:
Someone83 wrote:
EI-FPP, another CRJ-900 to Cityjet i SAS colours has been delivered new from Bombardier and placed in scheduled traffic. First SAS flight was CPH-BHX this morning

I had my first experience onboard a CityJet CRJ-900 in SAS colors yesterday. It was EI-FPB. I was pleasantly surprised. After all the horror stories on A.net regarding the CRJ, I did not expect a smooth ride and easier viewing out of windows compared to a 737 and A320.

The CRJ-900 and -1000 are both great rides. Those horror stories you hear are probably about the CRJ-200, which while maybe overhyped is fairly awful comfort wise, especially on longer legs. The -700 is fine too IMO, although not as nice as the newer and larger aircraft.

Oykie · Mon Sep 18, 2017 6:48 pm

SRQKEF wrote:
Oykie wrote:
Someone83 wrote:
EI-FPP, another CRJ-900 to Cityjet i SAS colours has been delivered new from Bombardier and placed in scheduled traffic. First SAS flight was CPH-BHX this morning

I had my first experience onboard a CityJet CRJ-900 in SAS colors yesterday. It was EI-FPB. I was pleasantly surprised. After all the horror stories on A.net regarding the CRJ, I did not expect a smooth ride and easier viewing out of windows compared to a 737 and A320.

The CRJ-900 and -1000 are both great rides. Those horror stories you hear are probably about the CRJ-200, which while maybe overhyped is fairly awful comfort wise, especially on longer legs. The -700 is fine too IMO, although not as nice as the newer and larger aircraft.

The CRJ-900 was a great ride, indeed as I am sure the CRJ-1000 is as well. Maybe the -1000 lacks range since SAS/CityJets choose the smaller version of these. In smaller Scandinavian cities the CRJ works well. Handled some turbulence very well, also.

FIX · Mon Sep 18, 2017 8:56 pm

Finland's national airline Finnair says it plans to hire more than 1,000 new employees over the next few years in order to fly new routes and propel expansion.

Source:
https://yle.fi/uutiset/osasto/news/finn ... rs/9838340

MartijnNL · Mon Sep 18, 2017 10:25 pm

Oykie wrote:
I had my first experience onboard a CityJet CRJ-900 in SAS colors yesterday. It was EI-FPB. I was pleasantly surprised. After all the horror stories on A.net regarding the CRJ, I did not expect a smooth ride and easier viewing out of windows compared to a 737 and A320.

I remember flying the CRJ-900 of Estonian Air. Good looking plane on the outside, but very disappointing on the inside. Almost all windows were misaligned. Terrible for looking out. But the SAS CRJ-900 doesn't have this problem, if I may believe you? That would be great.

Oykie · Tue Sep 19, 2017 5:13 am

MartijnNL wrote:
Oykie wrote:
I had my first experience onboard a CityJet CRJ-900 in SAS colors yesterday. It was EI-FPB. I was pleasantly surprised. After all the horror stories on A.net regarding the CRJ, I did not expect a smooth ride and easier viewing out of windows compared to a 737 and A320.

I remember flying the CRJ-900 of Estonian Air. Good looking plane on the outside, but very disappointing on the inside. Almost all windows were misaligned. Terrible for looking out. But the SAS CRJ-900 doesn't have this problem, if I may believe you? That would be great.

I cannot speak for all seatrows, but my window was not misaligned.

lesfalls · Tue Sep 19, 2017 6:13 am

FIX wrote:
Finland's national airline Finnair says it plans to hire more than 1,000 new employees over the next few years in order to fly new routes and propel expansion.

Source:
https://yle.fi/uutiset/osasto/news/finn ... rs/9838340

Will the new employees need to speak Finnish?

HELyes · Tue Sep 19, 2017 6:48 am

lesfalls wrote:
FIX wrote:
Finland's national airline Finnair says it plans to hire more than 1,000 new employees over the next few years in order to fly new routes and propel expansion.

Source:
https://yle.fi/uutiset/osasto/news/finn ... rs/9838340

Will the new employees need to speak Finnish?

At least cabin crew doesn't need to speak Finnish anymore. They have been busy hiring new employees, already 1000+ hired over the past few years, probably getting harder to find the right people in Finland.

Someone83 · Tue Sep 19, 2017 10:04 am

Wizzair is starting GDN-TOS 2x weekly from December 16th

kanye · Tue Sep 19, 2017 11:45 am

SRQKEF wrote:
Oykie wrote:
Someone83 wrote:
EI-FPP, another CRJ-900 to Cityjet i SAS colours has been delivered new from Bombardier and placed in scheduled traffic. First SAS flight was CPH-BHX this morning

I had my first experience onboard a CityJet CRJ-900 in SAS colors yesterday. It was EI-FPB. I was pleasantly surprised. After all the horror stories on A.net regarding the CRJ, I did not expect a smooth ride and easier viewing out of windows compared to a 737 and A320.

The CRJ-900 and -1000 are both great rides. Those horror stories you hear are probably about the CRJ-200, which while maybe overhyped is fairly awful comfort wise, especially on longer legs. The -700 is fine too IMO, although not as nice as the newer and larger aircraft.

I've had row 5 on a SAS CRJ and I think it was great. Quiet, big windows and only 2+2 seating. The planes are brand new and I could feel it as soon as I stepped into the plane. I definitely prefer CRJ over 737.

OslPhlWasChi · Tue Sep 19, 2017 3:34 pm

Someone83 wrote:
Wizzair is starting GDN-TOS 2x weekly from December 16th

This is great news! Do you have a source?

Someone83 · Tue Sep 19, 2017 3:55 pm

OslPhlWasChi wrote:
Someone83 wrote:
Wizzair is starting GDN-TOS 2x weekly from December 16th

This is great news! Do you have a source?

You can book tickets on Wizz' website :razz:

Thunderboltdrgn · Tue Sep 19, 2017 7:55 pm

cityairline wrote:
IR used to serve GOT-IKA once weekly with the very outdated A300 and a tech. stop in PRG.
But last April they upgraded the service to the new A330-200, flying nonstop both ways.
And starting now in November, the airline will double the seats by introducing a second weekly service to the route!

Thus, GOT-IKA will be served Mondays and Thursdays nonstop with the A330-200 (identical with ARN-IKA).

Well, IKA-ARN is also increased and is 3 weekly from Oct 29th.

IranAir Expands Service to 5 European Destinations
Stockholm: two to three weekly (new Sunday departure), operated by A330. Effective 29 October 2017.

http://www.aviationiran.com/2017/09/18/ ... cFi7MirRPY

Someone83 · Wed Sep 20, 2017 7:03 am

Looks like Delta is closing JFK-ARN next summer

http://www.flygtorget.se/Aktuellt/Artikel/?Id=12289

Someone83 · Wed Sep 20, 2017 7:18 am

SAS is starting Stockholm-Örnsköldsvik from April 8 2018. Up to 4x daily with ATR-72

http://www.sasgroup.net/en/sas-oppnar-n ... stockholm/

cityairline · Wed Sep 20, 2017 9:50 am

Thunderboltdrgn wrote:
cityairline wrote:
IR used to serve GOT-IKA once weekly with the very outdated A300 and a tech. stop in PRG.
But last April they upgraded the service to the new A330-200, flying nonstop both ways.
And starting now in November, the airline will double the seats by introducing a second weekly service to the route!

Thus, GOT-IKA will be served Mondays and Thursdays nonstop with the A330-200 (identical with ARN-IKA).

Well, IKA-ARN is also increased and is 3 weekly from Oct 29th.

IranAir Expands Service to 5 European Destinations
Stockholm: two to three weekly (new Sunday departure), operated by A330. Effective 29 October 2017.

http://www.aviationiran.com/2017/09/18/ ... cFi7MirRPY

Wow, so Iran Air will serve Tehran-Sweden five days a week, year around with A330, that's quite impressive!

Bostrom · Wed Sep 20, 2017 10:04 am

Someone83 wrote:
SAS is starting Stockholm-Örnsköldsvik from April 8 2018. Up to 4x daily with ATR-72

http://www.sasgroup.net/en/sas-oppnar-n ... stockholm/

Interesting. Will that mean the end of Höga kusten flyg? Or is the market big enough for two airlines.

Thunderboltdrgn · Wed Sep 20, 2017 5:11 pm

Bostrom wrote:
Someone83 wrote:
SAS is starting Stockholm-Örnsköldsvik from April 8 2018. Up to 4x daily with ATR-72

http://www.sasgroup.net/en/sas-oppnar-n ... stockholm/

Interesting. Will that mean the end of Höga kusten flyg? Or is the market big enough for two airlines.

Well, Nextjet have had their operating license pulled by Transportstyrelsen and their future is a bit uncertain, They currently operate with
a temporary license which is valid to November 17th, The reason behind the action is the company's poor finances.
NextJet have until November 17th to solve their financial problems, otherwise I assume that NJ will cease to operate.

https://www.transportstyrelsen.se/sv/lu ... _hit.pos=1
https://www.transportstyrelsen.se/globa ... 7-1303.pdf

Bostrom · Wed Sep 20, 2017 6:59 pm

Thunderboltdrgn wrote:
Bostrom wrote:

Interesting. Will that mean the end of Höga kusten flyg? Or is the market big enough for two airlines.

Well, Nextjet have had their operating license pulled by Transportstyrelsen and their future is a bit uncertain, They currently operate with
a temporary license which is valid to November 17th, The reason behind the action is the company's poor finances.
NextJet have until November 17th to solve their financial problems, otherwise I assume that NJ will cease to operate.

https://www.transportstyrelsen.se/sv/lu ... _hit.pos=1
https://www.transportstyrelsen.se/globa ... 7-1303.pdf

Nextjet claims to have solved their financial problems. And if I'm not mistaken the route to Ö-vik is operated by DAT using an ATR72-200.

QuawerAir · Thu Sep 21, 2017 11:43 am

Finavia confirms Aeroflot plans to increase Moscow-Helsinki frequency from Oct-2017

This means there will be up to 6x daily flights between Helsinki and Moscow in S18.

Source: CAPA

QuawerAir · Thu Sep 21, 2017 11:58 am

Nami wrote:
HEL is teasing on social media with a short video clip under the headline "Something big is coming soon..." as well as the following sentence in the video:

"This year Helsinki Airport will change what airports stand for"

What might that be? Most likely something not worth hyping up, but that's how these things work.

Twitter/FB

This one? https://twitter.com/HelsinkiAirport/status/910766911708958720

NozPerry · Thu Sep 21, 2017 12:12 pm

lesfalls wrote:
FIX wrote:
Finland's national airline Finnair says it plans to hire more than 1,000 new employees over the next few years in order to fly new routes and propel expansion.

Source:
https://yle.fi/uutiset/osasto/news/finn ... rs/9838340

Will the new employees need to speak Finnish?

For cabin crew you don’t need finnish, Just english, but they would like a little knowledge of the language even if it’s just asking for drinks and what not. I have a few friends who work there and they say there’s quite a few non Finnish speaking crew who work there now.

cityairline · Thu Sep 21, 2017 1:47 pm

After KLM increasing GOT to six daily last spring, Lufthansa will now increase GOT to five daily starting late October! Lufthansa serves GOT-FRA with mainly A320/A321 and has increased passenger numbers on the route from 304,000 to 350,000 last three years so it's a very welcome addition!

(Lufthansa also serves GOT-MUC thrice daily)

Nami · Thu Sep 21, 2017 1:59 pm

QuawerAir wrote:
Nami wrote:
HEL is teasing on social media with a short video clip under the headline "Something big is coming soon..." as well as the following sentence in the video:

"This year Helsinki Airport will change what airports stand for"

What might that be? Most likely something not worth hyping up, but that's how these things work.

Twitter/FB

This one? https://twitter.com/HelsinkiAirport/status/910766911708958720

Most likely. Here's a bit more information about the whole thing:

Man lives in a tiny cabin inside an airport for 30 days

Helsinki Airport has been awarded as the best airport in the world*. In order to prove this, a Chinese influencer Ryan Zhu is going to live in the airport for 30 days. #LIFEINHEL, starting October 10th, is a disruptive content marketing campaign by the Finnish airport operator Finavia.

Why would someone move to an airport?

Helsinki Airport wants to prove that they are the best airport in the world and the fastest connection between Asia and Europe. “Helsinki Airport is the leading and best-connected long-haul airport in the whole of Northern Europe. We are also the forerunner in serving Chinese customers”, says Katja Siberg, Finavia’s Senior Vice President of Marketing and Communications.

Helsinki Airport has a comprehensive track record in continuous development of customer experience. For example, last July 200 volunteer test passengers audited the new South Pier before it was opened for business. “The entire airport personnel is waiting for Ryan Zhu’s arrival. We want to give him an unforgettable experience! The campaign’s feedback will be extremely valuable in making our services even better. We want our influencer to really feel at home at Helsinki Airport.”, Siberg continues.

Finland as a destination has gained a lot of international fame in the recent years. For example, being third this year in the “Best of the World”-list by National Geographic, as well as Lonely Planet’s “Best in Travel 2017”.

World’s longest layover

#LIFEINHEL is a mix of reality TV, game shows and Social Media. Ryan Zhu, a multitalented Chinese actor and TV-personality will be living in a little cabin inside Helsinki Airport for 30 days. He will go through daily challenges and get familiar with the Finnish way of life. Ryan's adventure will be broadcasted on Social Media on a daily basis.

Gary Carter, co-inventor of the global hit reality TV show Survivor, advised on the development of the concept with TBWA for Finavia as a Creative Consultant.

For additional info, please visit http://www.lifeinhel.tv.

* Source: Travellink.

Partners: Finnair, Lumene, Helsinki Marketing, Iittala, Makia Clothing, SSP Finland, HMSHost, Sisco, AVA Room, Clarion Hotel Helsinki, House of Lapland, Finnish Olympic Committee, Suunto
#LIFEINHEL on social media

#LIFEINHEL

http://www.lifeinhel.tv
http://www.facebook.com/helsinkiairport
http://www.twitter.com/helsinkiairport
http://www.instagram.com/helsinkiairport
http://www.instagram.com/lifeinhel
http://www.youtube.com/flyviahelsinki
http://www.weibo.com/HelsinkiAirport/
http://weibo.com/zzxxhh?topnav=1&wvr=6&topsug=1
http://i.youku.com/i/UMzY3MTAzMzUyOA
WeChat: Helsinki Airport

Finavia 21.9.2017

Trailer: https://youtu.be/IcjCf6pqllo
Website: https://www.lifeinhel.tv/

Maybe a week would do, but a whole month? I say good luck.

I don't think the airport is big or busy enough for such a long stay. Maybe they should have done this a few years later when all the ongoing expansion work is finished. I wonder if he will be able to move freely between Schengen and non-Schengen area?

Someone83 · Sat Sep 23, 2017 7:16 am

SAS will be flying 2 return trips ARN-AUS-ARN during SXSW in March. Flights will be on March 8th and March 12th

B747forever · Sat Sep 23, 2017 3:13 pm

Someone83 wrote:
SAS will be flying 2 return trips ARN-AUS-ARN during SXSW in March. Flights will be on March 8th and March 12th

Yep, it is for salen on SAS website. The AUS-ARN sextor on 8/3 and ARN-AUS sector on 12/3 will probably be quite empty.

QuawerAir · Sun Sep 24, 2017 7:24 am

Taiwan wants Helsinki, Munich and Barcelona routes

"Next targets would include long haul European cities like Helsinki, Munich, Barcelona and North American cities on both west and east coasts."

http://www.routesonline.com/news/29/breaking-news/274931/taiwan-wants-helsinki-munich-and-barcelona-routes-/?highlight=Helsinki

. . .

CPH wants Manila, Bali, Colombo, Johannesburg, Seoul, Islamabad, Havana, Seattle, Kuala Lumpur and Cape Town

"Two of our previous largest unserved long-haul routes has just been commenced/announced – namely Delhi and Hong Kong. From now on we will start to work on getting routes to Manila, Bali, Colombo, Johannesburg, Seoul, Islamabad, Havana, Seattle, Kuala Lumpur and Cape Town and they are the ones with the highest traffic potential."

http://www.routesonline.com/news/29/breaking-news/274930/copenhagen-outlines-next-long-haul-ambitions/

. . .

HEL wants Chinese airlines to operate to Helsinki and more North American connections

"We are looking at Chinese airlines to operate to Helsinki and would like to see more North American connections as well."

http://www.routesonline.com/news/29/breaking-news/274929/helsinki-to-hit-18-million-passengers/

AND

Chicago wants service to Oslo

"Geographic regions of interest include Africa (eg, Addis Ababa), Asia (Guangzhou and Manila), Europe (Athens, Lisbon, Oslo, Milan), Israel and South America (Bogota and Lima)."

http://www.routesonline.com/news/29/breaking-news/274926/chicagos-airports-to-aggressively-pursue-new-airlines/?highlight=Oslo

QuawerAir · Sun Sep 24, 2017 10:59 am

Lucky Air will launch 2x weekly flights to Helsinki from Chengdu and Kunming on 17 January 2018

The route is KMG-CTU-HEL, flights will be operated by A330-300.

As of 13 May 2018, there will be routes to 9 cities in China from HEL: Beijing, Shanghai, Xi’an, Chongqing, Guangzhou, Nanjing, Chengdu, Kunming and Hong Kong.

https://www.finavia.fi/en/news-room/news/2017/more-routes-between-europe-and-china-lucky-air-to-commence-flights-at-helsinki-airport/

Nami · Sun Sep 24, 2017 3:18 pm

QuawerAir wrote:
Taiwan wants Helsinki, Munich and Barcelona routes

"Next targets would include long haul European cities like Helsinki, Munich, Barcelona and North American cities on both west and east coasts."

http://www.routesonline.com/news/29/breaking-news/274931/taiwan-wants-helsinki-munich-and-barcelona-routes-/?highlight=Helsinki

Personally I would be happy to get a direct HEL-TPE connection due to vested interests, and because the options are quite limited especially as transfers in mainland China are not an option for me.

In reality though I can't see AY flying to Taiwan anytime soon. Not sure how viable the route would be and wonder if it might harm attempts to get more flight rights to China.

QuawerAir · Sun Sep 24, 2017 3:40 pm

Nami wrote:
QuawerAir wrote:
Taiwan wants Helsinki, Munich and Barcelona routes

"Next targets would include long haul European cities like Helsinki, Munich, Barcelona and North American cities on both west and east coasts."

http://www.routesonline.com/news/29/breaking-news/274931/taiwan-wants-helsinki-munich-and-barcelona-routes-/?highlight=Helsinki

Personally I would be happy to get a direct HEL-TPE connection due to vested interests, and because the options are quite limited especially as transfers in mainland China are not an option for me.

In reality though I can't see AY flying to Taiwan anytime soon. Not sure how viable the route would be and wonder if it might harm attempts to get more flight rights to China.

I would be happy as well. If AY will not launch the route, it will be the Taiwanese airline. As far as I know neither China Airlines or EVA Air have rights to fly over China, so if HEL gets a route to TPE, it would be via Bangkok. Why would people from Taiwan fly to Europe via both Bangkok and Helsinki? However, EVA Air could do well on TPE-BKK-HEL due to good demand on HEL-BKK, but EVA Air is unfortunately in Star Alliance.

MartijnNL · Sun Sep 24, 2017 3:46 pm

Someone83 wrote:
SAS will be flying 2 return trips ARN-AUS-ARN during SXSW in March. Flights will be on March 8th and March 12th

What is SXSW?

CXfirst · Sun Sep 24, 2017 5:11 pm

MartijnNL wrote:
Someone83 wrote:
SAS will be flying 2 return trips ARN-AUS-ARN during SXSW in March. Flights will be on March 8th and March 12th

What is SXSW?

South By South West. Annual conference and showcase of most things media, in particularly music.

Kikko19 · Sun Sep 24, 2017 7:56 pm

I read that DY is trying to purchase monarch or a piece of it. Source : ATWonline. Would it make sense?

davidjohnson6 · Sun Sep 24, 2017 8:42 pm

The Stockholm Arlanda - Orsnkoldsvik route seems like one of the Nextjet's busiest routes, so SAS opening competing on the route may have a significant financial impact. After all, Ornskolsdsvik is not a big tourist centre (yes I have been there) so the possibility for boosting leisure demand is somewhat limited

I've been following the Swedish and Finnish media on the whole Nextjet issue. While Nextjet say they can solve it, I've read various discussions and reports saying that the proposed solution won't be enough to keep the regulator - the solution seems to rely on partly raising more capital from shareholders and also on selling some aircraft to pay for ongoing day-to-day operations which seems unsustainable for any airline.

I last flew on Nextjet last week - the operational side for now seems to be running smoothly

The Swedish Consumer Agency have made clear they are unhappy with Nextjet selling tickets beyond 17-Nov-2017 but beyond saying publicly "we are not happy" there doesn't seem to be an awful lot they can do about it quickly; Nextjet seem to be happy to sell tickets beyond 17-Nov-2017. At what point will the aviation regulator give a decision as to whether the proposed plans are considered to be sufficient to grant an operating licence (AOC) beyond 17-Nov-2017 ? It is in the interest of the Swedish Govt to ensure that domestic aviation, particularly on PSO routes to remote towns, is at least predictable even if reliability is too much to ask. The whole situation seems rather unsatisfactory at the moment

Oykie · Mon Sep 25, 2017 5:23 am

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Kikko19 wrote:
I read that DY is trying to purchase monarch or a piece of it. Source : ATWonline. Would it make sense?

It depends on the details. Monarch was almost shut down earlier. I am not sure how much dept DY will inherit. But if the details are good, Norwegian gains a big foothold in the uk marked. So personally I hope this deal goes through, but it depends on contractual detail.

Oykie · Mon Sep 25, 2017 5:25 am

Kikko19 wrote:
I read that DY is trying to purchase monarch or a piece of it. Source : ATWonline. Would it make sense?

It depends on the details. Monarch was almost shut down earlier. I am not sure how much dept DY will inherit. But if the details are good, Norwegian gains a big foothold in the uk marked. So personally I hope this deal goes through, but it depends on contractual detail.[/quote]

Thunderboltdrgn · Mon Sep 25, 2017 10:12 am

Örnsköldsvik itself is not a leisure destination but more of a gateway to the high coast region.

Nami · Tue Sep 26, 2017 1:11 pm

EK will be adding three weekly flights to ARN from this coming December.

Dubai carrier Emirates has announced the introduction of three additional flights a week to the Swedish capital Stockholm.

The flights, every Friday, Saturday and Sunday from December 8, come in response to growing demand on the route particularly during the winter season.

They will be operated by a Boeing 777-300ER with eight first class, 42 business class and 310 economy class seats.

EK155 will depart Dubai at 3:00pm and arrive at Stockholm Arlanda Airport at 6:45pm. Return flight EK156 will leave Stockholm at 9:10pm and arrive at Dubai International at 6:30am the next day.

The additional flights add to the carrier’s existing daily service EK157, which departs Dubai at 8:10am and arrives in Stockholm at 11:55am. EK158 then leaves Stockholm at 1:35pm and arrives in Dubai at 10:55pm.

http://gulfbusiness.com/dubais-emirates ... stockholm/

QuawerAir · Tue Sep 26, 2017 1:34 pm

Nami wrote:
EK will be adding three weekly flights to ARN from this coming December.

Dubai carrier Emirates has announced the introduction of three additional flights a week to the Swedish capital Stockholm.

The flights, every Friday, Saturday and Sunday from December 8, come in response to growing demand on the route particularly during the winter season.

They will be operated by a Boeing 777-300ER with eight first class, 42 business class and 310 economy class seats.

EK155 will depart Dubai at 3:00pm and arrive at Stockholm Arlanda Airport at 6:45pm. Return flight EK156 will leave Stockholm at 9:10pm and arrive at Dubai International at 6:30am the next day.

The additional flights add to the carrier’s existing daily service EK157, which departs Dubai at 8:10am and arrives in Stockholm at 11:55am. EK158 then leaves Stockholm at 1:35pm and arrives in Dubai at 10:55pm.

http://gulfbusiness.com/dubais-emirates ... stockholm/

It's strange to me that EK hasn't launched flights to Helsinki. Both CPH and ARN seems to be profitable for EK, although Qatar serves both cities twice daily. I think EK could make at least 1 daily flight to HEL work.

ilari · Wed Sep 27, 2017 10:59 am

QuawerAir wrote:
Nami wrote:
EK will be adding three weekly flights to ARN from this coming December.

Dubai carrier Emirates has announced the introduction of three additional flights a week to the Swedish capital Stockholm.

The flights, every Friday, Saturday and Sunday from December 8, come in response to growing demand on the route particularly during the winter season.

They will be operated by a Boeing 777-300ER with eight first class, 42 business class and 310 economy class seats.

EK155 will depart Dubai at 3:00pm and arrive at Stockholm Arlanda Airport at 6:45pm. Return flight EK156 will leave Stockholm at 9:10pm and arrive at Dubai International at 6:30am the next day.

The additional flights add to the carrier’s existing daily service EK157, which departs Dubai at 8:10am and arrives in Stockholm at 11:55am. EK158 then leaves Stockholm at 1:35pm and arrives in Dubai at 10:55pm.

http://gulfbusiness.com/dubais-emirates ... stockholm/

It's strange to me that EK hasn't launched flights to Helsinki. Both CPH and ARN seems to be profitable for EK, although Qatar serves both cities twice daily. I think EK could make at least 1 daily flight to HEL work.

AY and DY serve DXB in winter season, 13x weekly in total. I wonder if there would be enough demand for a third carrier. Of course probably in summer, a little competition with QR...

QuawerAir · Wed Sep 27, 2017 12:37 pm

ilari wrote:
QuawerAir wrote:
Nami wrote:
EK will be adding three weekly flights to ARN from this coming December.

http://gulfbusiness.com/dubais-emirates ... stockholm/

It's strange to me that EK hasn't launched flights to Helsinki. Both CPH and ARN seems to be profitable for EK, although Qatar serves both cities twice daily. I think EK could make at least 1 daily flight to HEL work.

AY and DY serve DXB in winter season, 13x weekly in total. I wonder if there would be enough demand for a third carrier. Of course probably in summer, a little competition with QR...

If EK launched service to Helsinki, I believe that either AY or D8 will end HEL-DXB service but despite that, PAX will grow because of EK. The difference between Finnish, Swedish and Danish market should not be very big, so if EK can make 10x weekly service to ARN work and A380 service to CPH work, EK should be able to make at least 5x weekly service to HEL work. And as I mentioned before, QR flies up to twice daily to both CPH and ARN along with EK's 7-10x weekly services, I bet there's enough demand for 7x weekly QR service and 5-7x weekly EK service to HEL as well. I have also noticed that EK and QR can make almost every route (if not all) to Europe work. Unless I'm wrong, QR or EK hasn't canceled any European services yet (only Kiev, but that's due to the crisis in Ukraine. QR, however, is launching Doha-Kiev service soon.)

armchairceonr1 · Wed Sep 27, 2017 1:07 pm

I think EK doesn't have suitable plane to HEL-DXB service, >350 pax plane is not easy to fill even 5x week. There is in Finland also far less immigrants from midlle east than Sweden, which is one driver to ARN-DXB service.

QuawerAir · Wed Sep 27, 2017 1:17 pm

armchairceonr1 wrote:
I think EK doesn't have suitable plane to HEL-DXB service, >350 pax plane is not easy to fill even 5x week. There is in Finland also far less immigrants from midlle east than Sweden, which is one driver to ARN-DXB service.

I think it was a bad idea to retire A330s and A340s before getting a replacement aircraft that has almost the same capacity, such as A350 or B787.

Kikko19 · Wed Sep 27, 2017 1:24 pm

EK could double daily send flydubai with 738 to Hel and once to TLL / RIX/ GOT and many other apt, where the range will suffice.

QuawerAir · Wed Sep 27, 2017 1:32 pm

Kikko19 wrote:
EK could double daily send flydubai with 738 to Hel and once to TLL / RIX/ GOT and many other apt, where the range will suffice.

That's actually a good idea. If the demand is big then EK could switch to 777.

armchairceonr1 · Wed Sep 27, 2017 1:47 pm

QuawerAir wrote:
armchairceonr1 wrote:
I think EK doesn't have suitable plane to HEL-DXB service, >350 pax plane is not easy to fill even 5x week. There is in Finland also far less immigrants from midlle east than Sweden, which is one driver to ARN-DXB service.

I think it was a bad idea to retire A330s and A340s before getting a replacement aircraft that has almost the same capacity, such as A350 or B787.

EK said before that they are happy with 777 and A380. They changed their mind very quickly, after last 330s were retired. EK and Flydubai are coming closer eachother and new max could work very well to HEL.

Nami · Wed Sep 27, 2017 1:57 pm

QuawerAir wrote:
Kikko19 wrote:
EK could double daily send flydubai with 738 to Hel and once to TLL / RIX/ GOT and many other apt, where the range will suffice.

That's actually a good idea. If the demand is big then EK could switch to 777.

I went googling and found this quote from two years ago:

“We will get the first five aircraft [737 Max] by the end of 2017,” Capt Gile confirmed. The new airplane will provide 925km additional range to flydubai compared to 737-800 and the airline will be able to expand to Frankfurt, Stockholm, Bangkok, Kunming and many more places.

This was before the EK/FZ merger talk, but I think it would have been funny to see FZ in ARN before HEL.

Kikko19 · Wed Sep 27, 2017 2:04 pm

Nami wrote:
QuawerAir wrote:
Kikko19 wrote:
EK could double daily send flydubai with 738 to Hel and once to TLL / RIX/ GOT and many other apt, where the range will suffice.

That's actually a good idea. If the demand is big then EK could switch to 777.

I went googling and found this quote from two years ago:

“We will get the first five aircraft [737 Max] by the end of 2017,” Capt Gile confirmed. The new airplane will provide 925km additional range to flydubai compared to 737-800 and the airline will be able to expand to Frankfurt, Stockholm, Bangkok, Kunming and many more places.

This was before the EK/FZ merger talk, but I think it would have been funny to see FZ in ARN before HEL.

it should be a natural development, they can't go a388 and 777 anywhere

unless they find more oil and gas and can waste more petrodollars...

SAS A340 · Wed Sep 27, 2017 3:47 pm

It´s Time to send a A388 to ARN

and perhaps a B738 to HEL

QuawerAir · Wed Sep 27, 2017 6:23 pm

According to Wikipedia, Iran Air will resume Tehran-Copenhagen on 1 October 2017. If this is going happen, there will be two carriers (Iran Air and Mahan Air) on IKA-CPH. Service from Mahan Air is however suspended.

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