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konrad wrote:LOT to open WAW OSL from March 2018, twice daily EMB195 flights:
http://lotnictwo.net.pl/5-poszczegolne_ ... ost1260335
cityairline wrote:I'm surprised OSL wasn't already served by LO!
Finnair Traffic Performance in September 2017
Passengers: 1,075,700 (+10.7%)
ASK: +10.6%
RPK: +16.9%
Passenger load factor: 85.3% (+4.6 pp)
According to preliminary data, Finnair’s unit revenue, or RASK (total Group revenue divided by ASK), increased in July–September by 3.3 per cent year-on-year and totalled 7.29 euro cents.
“The third quarter was very strong in terms of traffic performance. Our capacity increased by over 10 per cent in each month, but demand growth nevertheless clearly exceeded capacity growth. It is also worth pointing out that our unit revenue increased while load factors improved”, says Finnair CFO Pekka Vähähyyppä.
QuawerAir wrote:Ryanair resumes flights to Lappeenranta with a new weekly service to Athens
Low-cost airline Ryanair will start direct flights between Lappeenranta (Finland) and Athens next summer. The Irish no-frills carrier is particularly interested in testing demand for the route among Russian tourists as Lappeenranta is the closest EU airport to St. Petersburg, which is less than 200 km away.
Yle.fi (in English)
kanye wrote:For me this is very surprising. SAS will next summer fly from Skellefteå to Malaga. According to the article they need to find interest from Spanish people to visit northern Sweden as well to make this route work out. Will be interesting to see, i guess SAS did get a good deal with Skellefteå Airport.
Could Spanish people be interested in northern European nature?
Article in Swedish:
http://sverigesradio.se/sida/artikel.as ... el=6797322
kanye wrote:For me this is very surprising. SAS will next summer fly from Skellefteå to Malaga. According to the article they need to find interest from Spanish people to visit northern Sweden as well to make this route work out. Will be interesting to see, i guess SAS did get a good deal with Skellefteå Airport.
Could Spanish people be interested in northern European nature?
Article in Swedish:
http://sverigesradio.se/sida/artikel.as ... el=6797322
Finnair schedules last AY666 Friday the 13th flight in Oct 2017
Finnair tomorrow (13OCT17) is operating last scheduled flight AY666 on a Friday the 13th, as the oneWorld member set to introduce new flight number range from 29OCT17, previously reported on Airlineroute on 11NOV16. AY666 currently serves from Copenhagen to Helsinki on daily basis.
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Finnair’s first “Flight 666 to HEL(sinki) on Friday the 13th” was on 13SEP02, operated by DC9. On 13OCT17, AY666 will be operated by Airbus A320 aircraft, with following schedule.
AY666 CPH1320 – 1555HEL 320
The last scheduled AY666 operation is on 28OCT17, switching to AY954 from 29OCT17. For the time being, the airline does not allocated flight 666 on/after 29OCT17 on scheduled basis, however it didn’t rule out future allocation for special flight purposes.
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sailas wrote:So regarding Air Berlins bankruptcy, wouldn't there be any metal for AY to be interested in? A332, a320? I know AY is in the process of replacing their A320 narrow bodies.
QuawerAir wrote:sailas wrote:So regarding Air Berlins bankruptcy, wouldn't there be any metal for AY to be interested in? A332, a320? I know AY is in the process of replacing their A320 narrow bodies.
How old are those A320s? AY will need new aircraft, so A320s cannot be old. Airbus A330-200s would be cool. They could open for example more North American routes as AY cannot expand much in Asia at the moment due to limited rights of flying over Russia.
The major of AB's aircraft will be transferred to Lufthansa so how many A320 and A330 aircraft will remain?
sailas wrote:For one DXB could be a 332 route, and so could phuket.
Both Phuket and Krabi are served by A350, like all their long haul 'leisure' destinations this winter, except Goa gets A333. HEL-PVR (Puerto Vallarta in Mexico) starting in Nov is a new one and their longest long haul route.Nami wrote:TK's website seems to show A332/A333 for one of the two daily flights to HEL for S18.
Same aircraft for OSL&ARN, but I'm not aware if TK uses A330 already for these routes?
sailas wrote:QuawerAir wrote:sailas wrote:So regarding Air Berlins bankruptcy, wouldn't there be any metal for AY to be interested in? A332, a320? I know AY is in the process of replacing their A320 narrow bodies.
How old are those A320s? AY will need new aircraft, so A320s cannot be old. Airbus A330-200s would be cool. They could open for example more North American routes as AY cannot expand much in Asia at the moment due to limited rights of flying over Russia.
The major of AB's aircraft will be transferred to Lufthansa so how many A320 and A330 aircraft will remain?
The oldest a320 seems to be from 2008, newest ones from 2017. The a330-200, would really give AY many new possibilities. For one DXB could be a 332 route, and so could phuket.
QuawerAir wrote:sailas wrote:QuawerAir wrote:How old are those A320s? AY will need new aircraft, so A320s cannot be old. Airbus A330-200s would be cool. They could open for example more North American routes as AY cannot expand much in Asia at the moment due to limited rights of flying over Russia.
The major of AB's aircraft will be transferred to Lufthansa so how many A320 and A330 aircraft will remain?
The oldest a320 seems to be from 2008, newest ones from 2017. The a330-200, would really give AY many new possibilities. For one DXB could be a 332 route, and so could phuket.
Those A320s are quite young. However, AY plans to order 30 aircraft, of which the major is going to be A321s or A321neo aircraft. Some of them will be smaller, maybe A320neo aircraft.
In addition to DXB, KEF could also be a A332 route as AY considers deploying wide-body aircraft to KEF.
What comes to possible North American routes, HEL-BOS, HEL-LAX and maybe HEL-DFW, SEA or PHL would be good. How about HEL-YYZ, YVR or MEX? AY could also try South America-Japan/China/South Korea connections. But these are quite unlikely. Also, I think AY is not going to take those A332s.
sailas wrote:QuawerAir wrote:sailas wrote:
The oldest a320 seems to be from 2008, newest ones from 2017. The a330-200, would really give AY many new possibilities. For one DXB could be a 332 route, and so could phuket.
Those A320s are quite young. However, AY plans to order 30 aircraft, of which the major is going to be A321s or A321neo aircraft. Some of them will be smaller, maybe A320neo aircraft.
In addition to DXB, KEF could also be a A332 route as AY considers deploying wide-body aircraft to KEF.
What comes to possible North American routes, HEL-BOS, HEL-LAX and maybe HEL-DFW, SEA or PHL would be good. How about HEL-YYZ, YVR or MEX? AY could also try South America-Japan/China/South Korea connections. But these are quite unlikely. Also, I think AY is not going to take those A332s.
Is the widebody needed in KEF due to cargo or is the PAX demand really that high? I was also thinking A332 could be a viable option for India, as passenger numbers aren't that good yet for a a333 or a350?
Yea i don't think AY is really looking into the 737 max, we all know it will be the neo, and a320+ size. How much growth are these a320 neos bringing to AYs fleet, as the oldest a321 and all a319 and a320 will leave.
QuawerAir wrote:sailas wrote:QuawerAir wrote:Those A320s are quite young. However, AY plans to order 30 aircraft, of which the major is going to be A321s or A321neo aircraft. Some of them will be smaller, maybe A320neo aircraft.
In addition to DXB, KEF could also be a A332 route as AY considers deploying wide-body aircraft to KEF.
What comes to possible North American routes, HEL-BOS, HEL-LAX and maybe HEL-DFW, SEA or PHL would be good. How about HEL-YYZ, YVR or MEX? AY could also try South America-Japan/China/South Korea connections. But these are quite unlikely. Also, I think AY is not going to take those A332s.
Is the widebody needed in KEF due to cargo or is the PAX demand really that high? I was also thinking A332 could be a viable option for India, as passenger numbers aren't that good yet for a a333 or a350?
Yea i don't think AY is really looking into the 737 max, we all know it will be the neo, and a320+ size. How much growth are these a320 neos bringing to AYs fleet, as the oldest a321 and all a319 and a320 will leave.
Wide-body is needed to KEF due to high PAX demand. According to Finnair, aircraft are always full or almost full on HEL-KEF.
I also think A332s would be good for Indian markets. By the way, Indian market is now growing: PAX on HEL-India traffic is growing by over 13% this year.
I guess 20 aircraft will be A321neos and 10 A320neos. The capacity of A320neo will probably be almost the same as A320ceos (around 170-180 seats) and A321neos are maybe going to have 209 seats. The capacity will grow pretty much as Finnair will have much more narrow-bodies than it does today.
QuawerAir wrote:
Nami wrote:QuawerAir wrote:
Is this the first scheduled A320neo flight from HEL?
mjoelnir wrote:QuawerAir wrote:sailas wrote:
Is the widebody needed in KEF due to cargo or is the PAX demand really that high? I was also thinking A332 could be a viable option for India, as passenger numbers aren't that good yet for a a333 or a350?
Yea i don't think AY is really looking into the 737 max, we all know it will be the neo, and a320+ size. How much growth are these a320 neos bringing to AYs fleet, as the oldest a321 and all a319 and a320 will leave.
Wide-body is needed to KEF due to high PAX demand. According to Finnair, aircraft are always full or almost full on HEL-KEF.
I also think A332s would be good for Indian markets. By the way, Indian market is now growing: PAX on HEL-India traffic is growing by over 13% this year.
I guess 20 aircraft will be A321neos and 10 A320neos. The capacity of A320neo will probably be almost the same as A320ceos (around 170-180 seats) and A321neos are maybe going to have 209 seats. The capacity will grow pretty much as Finnair will have much more narrow-bodies than it does today.
AY should not need a wide body on HEL - KEF, just increase frequency from once a day. FI does once a day in winter and last summer 16 flights a week, double daily and a third on Fridays and Sundays, all on 757.
QuawerAir wrote:Unless I'm wrong, SAS has operated to HEL several times with A320neo from ARN and CPH.
TS: Lufthansa is considering flights to Turku
The airline Lufthansa is considering establishing an air link between Turku and Germany, the newspaper Turun Sanomat writes.
According to the newspaper, the initiative from the Turku Chamber of Commerce, which, at the request of its company members, sent a statement to the airline.
Among the companies are shipyard Meyer Turku, the pharmaceutical company Bayer and the car factory Valmet Automotive.
The boost for business in the Turku region and the closer contacts with Germany have increased traffic between the two countries, says TS.
Lufthansa's country manager for the Baltic countries, Christoph Zimmer, told Turun Sanomat that he will bring the matter to the highest management and that the airline will conduct a thorough investigation if there is a need to start a flight from Turku to Germany. (Google translated)
Yle Nyheter (in Swedish)
Nami wrote:QuawerAir wrote:
Is this the first scheduled A320neo flight from HEL?
Boeing 737 -683 28293 120 LN-RPZ SAS to be ferried 16oct17 ARN-DGX for part-out & scrap ex OY‑KKB
Canadair CRJ 900 15437 EI-FPS CityJet delivery 13oct17 YMX-KEF-CPH, SAS cs ex C-GZWV
QuawerAir wrote:Those A320s are quite young. However, AY plans to order 30 aircraft, of which the major is going to be A321s or A321neo aircraft. Some of them will be smaller, maybe A320neo aircraft.
QuawerAir wrote:In addition to DXB, KEF could also be a A332 route as AY considers deploying wide-body aircraft to KEF.
QuawerAir wrote:What comes to possible North American routes, HEL-BOS, HEL-LAX and maybe HEL-DFW, SEA or PHL would be good. How about HEL-YYZ, YVR or MEX? AY could also try South America-Japan/China/South Korea connections. But these are quite unlikely. Also, I think AY is not going to take those A332s.
YIMBY wrote:QuawerAir wrote:Those A320s are quite young. However, AY plans to order 30 aircraft, of which the major is going to be A321s or A321neo aircraft. Some of them will be smaller, maybe A320neo aircraft.
Is that done or wishful thinking? Not that I would believe them to consider 737 for anything else than nominal competition, but CS100/300 could replace their EJets and 319's.
They do need to expand their short haul fleet to match their growing long haul fleet unless they want to subcontract that to other airlines, I do not know which ones.
QuawerAir wrote:YIMBY wrote:QuawerAir wrote:Those A320s are quite young. However, AY plans to order 30 aircraft, of which the major is going to be A321s or A321neo aircraft. Some of them will be smaller, maybe A320neo aircraft.
Is that done or wishful thinking? Not that I would believe them to consider 737 for anything else than nominal competition, but CS100/300 could replace their EJets and 319's.
They do need to expand their short haul fleet to match their growing long haul fleet unless they want to subcontract that to other airlines, I do not know which ones.
According to Bloomberg's press release, AY is weighing an order for as many as 30 narrow-body jets for delivery from 2022 and 2023 to replace its existing A320 family planes. The airline is considering both the re-engined version of Airbus’s short-haul workhorse as well as Boeing Co.’s 737.
And in this press release (in Finnish), the CEO of Finnair says the future narrow-body orders will be for "the largest aircraft" which means if the airline will order those aircraft from Airbus, they will be A321s (which is the largest aircraft in A320 family). He says that there will also be smaller aircraft included.
I think it would be cool if CS100/300 replaced Embraer and ATR 72 aircraft.
Nami wrote:TS: Lufthansa is considering flights to Turku
The airline Lufthansa is considering establishing an air link between Turku and Germany, the newspaper Turun Sanomat writes.
According to the newspaper, the initiative from the Turku Chamber of Commerce, which, at the request of its company members, sent a statement to the airline.
Among the companies are shipyard Meyer Turku, the pharmaceutical company Bayer and the car factory Valmet Automotive.
The boost for business in the Turku region and the closer contacts with Germany have increased traffic between the two countries, says TS.
Lufthansa's country manager for the Baltic countries, Christoph Zimmer, told Turun Sanomat that he will bring the matter to the highest management and that the airline will conduct a thorough investigation if there is a need to start a flight from Turku to Germany. (Google translated)
Yle Nyheter (in Swedish)
I'm sceptical. A lot can depend on how the AB deal will go in the end. I know LH has flown to TKU before, but I couldn't find the info what years they flew?
QuawerAir wrote:Helsinki Airport is the best airport in Europe!
www.sleepinginairports.net
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Other Nordic airports:Stockholm Arlanda: 6th
Copenhagen: 7th.
Oslo Gardermoen: 12th
Reykjavík Keflavík: 24th
Copenhagen – Beirut eff 31MAR18 1 weekly A320/A321/A320neo (3 weekly A320/321 24JUN18 – 21AUG18). This route was previously served until October 2005
Copenhagen – Genoa eff 24MAR18 1 weekly CityJet CRJ900 (2 weekly from 24APR18)
Copenhagen – Lisbon eff 25MAR18 up to 4 weekly A320. Operational frequency varies. This route was previously served until March 2005 (mid-2000s by Snowflake)
Copenhagen – Sarajevo eff 24MAR18 2 weekly A320/CityJet CRJ900 (CRJ900 switching to Air Nostrum CRJ1000 05JUL18 – 09AUG18. Overall service increases to 4 weekly in July/August). This route was previously served until October 2005 under Snowflake
Copenhagen – Toulon eff 21APR18 1 weekly Air Nostrum CRJ1000
Someone83 wrote:New SAS Summer routes from CPH:Copenhagen – Beirut eff 31MAR18 1 weekly A320/A321/A320neo (3 weekly A320/321 24JUN18 – 21AUG18). This route was previously served until October 2005
Copenhagen – Genoa eff 24MAR18 1 weekly CityJet CRJ900 (2 weekly from 24APR18)
Copenhagen – Lisbon eff 25MAR18 up to 4 weekly A320. Operational frequency varies. This route was previously served until March 2005 (mid-2000s by Snowflake)
Copenhagen – Sarajevo eff 24MAR18 2 weekly A320/CityJet CRJ900 (CRJ900 switching to Air Nostrum CRJ1000 05JUL18 – 09AUG18. Overall service increases to 4 weekly in July/August). This route was previously served until October 2005 under Snowflake
Copenhagen – Toulon eff 21APR18 1 weekly Air Nostrum CRJ1000
Also interesting to see it seems like Air Nostrum will operate a CRJ-1000, instead of CRJ-900 for part of S18
Kikko19 wrote:goa will go 2x a320 per week d2,6, I also heard in high season will be introduced VRN...
Someone83 wrote:Kikko19 wrote:goa will go 2x a320 per week d2,6, I also heard in high season will be introduced VRN...
VRN is from ARN
QuawerAir wrote:It might now be more likely that Finnair would return to Los Angeles?
We still see some opportunities in North America but these are planned in association with our JV partners. Finnair’s first daily sector from Helsinki to Heathrow is operated by an A350, to feed additional traffic on to our JV partners’ North American flight bank.
Nami wrote:I think if AY added more North American routes it would make Norwegian long-haul flights from HEL more and more unlikely to happen. But then again DY bringing any 787s to HEL in 2018 like Kjos contemplated a year ago is seeming quite distant now.
