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Why did Korean order A321Neo and 737 Max 8?

Tue Feb 14, 2017 12:25 pm

ok, I know the A321Neo is bigger than the 737 Max 8, but they have ordered only A32x Neos or 737 Max x instead of ordering planes of both families. I understand when the order is bigger, for example ordering 100 A320 and 100 738, but Korean ordered "only" 30 units of each type, so, what is the logical of such this kind of order?

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Re: Why did Korean order A321Neo and 737 Max 8?

Tue Feb 14, 2017 12:27 pm

The optimal type of each family. Simple.
 
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Re: Why did Korean order A321Neo and 737 Max 8?

Tue Feb 14, 2017 12:33 pm

Natflyer wrote:
The optimal type of each family. Simple.


They obviously decided that two sub-fleets of 30 each is sufficient to overcome the additional costs of ordering from two families. It's basically the same thing that AA has done (A319/738/A321) but on a rther smaller scale.
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Re: Why did Korean order A321Neo and 737 Max 8?

Tue Feb 14, 2017 12:50 pm

The logic of such a kind of order is having the right frame for the job. Very few 737-800 users have ordered the 737-900ER, more have ordered the A321.
In the same way few airlines having ordered the 737-8 have ordered the 737-9, again a lot of airlines having the 737-8 on order, ordered the A321neo.
 
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Re: Why did Korean order A321Neo and 737 Max 8?

Tue Feb 14, 2017 3:57 pm

mjoelnir wrote:
The logic of such a kind of order is having the right frame for the job. Very few 737-800 users have ordered the 737-900ER, more have ordered the A321.
In the same way few airlines having ordered the 737-8 have ordered the 737-9, again a lot of airlines having the 737-8 on order, ordered the A321neo.


I can understand the logic in what KE have done, but who are the other airlines you are referring to that have ordered the Max8 and the 321 Neo ? I'm sure there must be some, but at 02:50 in the morning here, my brain is struggling to think of them.

KE already have 738s and 739s, I can think of Lion Air/Malindo, United, Delta, KLM and Turkish who also have both, but again, who are the airlines with 738s, who operate 321s, but no 739s ? Actually, thought of one in NH.
 
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Re: Why did Korean order A321Neo and 737 Max 8?

Tue Feb 14, 2017 4:25 pm

jupiter2 wrote:
mjoelnir wrote:
The logic of such a kind of order is having the right frame for the job. Very few 737-800 users have ordered the 737-900ER, more have ordered the A321.
In the same way few airlines having ordered the 737-8 have ordered the 737-9, again a lot of airlines having the 737-8 on order, ordered the A321neo.


I can understand the logic in what KE have done, but who are the other airlines you are referring to that have ordered the Max8 and the 321 Neo ? I'm sure there must be some, but at 02:50 in the morning here, my brain is struggling to think of them.

KE already have 738s and 739s, I can think of Lion Air/Malindo, United, Delta, KLM and Turkish who also have both, but again, who are the airlines with 738s, who operate 321s, but no 739s ? Actually, thought of one in NH.


VJ, TK, JT, DY, AA all have MAX8 and A321neo orders. TK and JT also have MAX9s on order.

There's quite a few with 738s and A321s, such as DL, PC, SK, SU, MU, CA, CZ and many more.
 
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Re: Why did Korean order A321Neo and 737 Max 8?

Tue Feb 14, 2017 4:25 pm

jupiter2 wrote:
mjoelnir wrote:
The logic of such a kind of order is having the right frame for the job. Very few 737-800 users have ordered the 737-900ER, more have ordered the A321.
In the same way few airlines having ordered the 737-8 have ordered the 737-9, again a lot of airlines having the 737-8 on order, ordered the A321neo.


I can understand the logic in what KE have done, but who are the other airlines you are referring to that have ordered the Max8 and the 321 Neo ? I'm sure there must be some, but at 02:50 in the morning here, my brain is struggling to think of them.

KE already have 738s and 739s, I can think of Lion Air/Malindo, United, Delta, KLM and Turkish who also have both, but again, who are the airlines with 738s, who operate 321s, but no 739s ? Actually, thought of one in NH.


AA ordered the Max8 and the 321NEO.
 
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Re: Why did Korean order A321Neo and 737 Max 8?

Tue Feb 14, 2017 5:05 pm

Well Korean also has CS300 on order so they effectively ordered 3 families for 3 size of narrow body: CS300 / 737-8 / 321
 
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Re: Why did Korean order A321Neo and 737 Max 8?

Tue Feb 14, 2017 5:11 pm

Also does not hurt that Korean Air Aerospace is subcontractor to both Airbus and Boeing for their NEO & MAX projects.
 
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Re: Why did Korean order A321Neo and 737 Max 8?

Tue Feb 14, 2017 5:33 pm

A lot of the airlines mentioned above with 738's and 321's also have other narrow body types from the same manufacturers, such as 73G, 319 or 320's. I'm looking for an airline that specifically has the 738 and 321 only, or the MAX 8 and the 321 Neo only on order.
 
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Re: Why did Korean order A321Neo and 737 Max 8?

Tue Feb 14, 2017 6:14 pm

KE is still taking new 737-800/900ER's so it will be a long time before those are gone so the benefits of going to exclusively Airbus for narrowbodies would be decades away. KE will also be taking some 321NEOLR's which Boeing does not have much of a viable competitor for, so KE didn't have much of a choice for that capacity/stage length. They will still have a predominantly Boeing narrowbody fleet when all said is done with the NG's still coming online.
 
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Re: Why did Korean order A321Neo and 737 Max 8?

Tue Feb 14, 2017 6:51 pm

KE could need them for completely reasons.
 
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Re: Why did Korean order A321Neo and 737 Max 8?

Tue Feb 14, 2017 7:15 pm

Could just be a dedicated subfleet for one of their LCCs.
 
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Re: Why did Korean order A321Neo and 737 Max 8?

Wed Feb 15, 2017 12:03 am

Sean-SAN- wrote:
Could just be a dedicated subfleet for one of their LCCs.


No, they're for mainline KE.

http://www.airbus.com/presscentre/press ... 0-a321neo/
Korean Air will operate the A321neo with a two class full service layout on regional services, including on longer sectors to selected destinations in South East Asia. The aircraft will be fitted with premium amenities, including wider seats in both classes and the latest in-flight entertainment and connectivity systems.
“We are pleased to be able to finalise our first ever single aisle aircraft order with Airbus,” said Cho Yang Ho, Chairman of Korean Air Group. “The A321neo will bring new levels of efficiency, longer flying range and greater in-flight comfort to our single aisle fleet, as well as reduced impact on the environment. The A321neo will contribute to our ongoing commitment to offer true excellence in flight wherever we fly.”
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Re: Why did Korean order A321Neo and 737 Max 8?

Wed Feb 15, 2017 7:57 am

Firstly KAL (or at least the Cho's) as I understand it have shares in P&W and thus the NEO range must be of more interest?

Secondly what is to stop the B737s going to it's LCC Jinair and the 321NEOs and CS300s staying with KAL or the other way around? Some of Jinair's 737 and 777 fleet are ex-KAL.
 
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Re: Why did Korean order A321Neo and 737 Max 8?

Fri Feb 17, 2017 2:04 pm

Dash9 wrote:
Well Korean also has CS300 on order so they effectively ordered 3 families for 3 size of narrow body: CS300 / 737-8 / 321

Now that is interesting!

The -8 is CFM, the other two Pratt... So there goes one theory...
Each is the optimal airframe for its size range. It could just be that KE did the math and determined 3 fleets was optimal.

This gives them *huge* negotiating leverage on future orders for one can always order a smaller aircraft than demand and yield manage...

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