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India Aviation Thread - February 2017

Tue Feb 07, 2017 4:23 pm

Please continue to post your updates for the February edition of India Aviation thread

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Re: India Aviation Thread - February 2017

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Lufthansa will upgrade Munich-Delhi to A350 from 11 Feb. LH's 2nd A350 destination will be Delhi's first A350 service.
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Re: India Aviation Thread - February 2017

Tue Feb 07, 2017 5:22 pm

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Lufthansa will upgrade Munich-Delhi to A350 from 11 Feb. LH's 2nd A350 destination will be Delhi's first A350 service.


Not just Delhi, it will be India's first A350 flight, isn't it? Have any other carriers announced A350 flights to any Indian airports?
 
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Re: India Aviation Thread - February 2017

Tue Feb 07, 2017 7:00 pm

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Lufthansa will upgrade Munich-Delhi to A350 from 11 Feb. LH's 2nd A350 destination will be Delhi's first A350 service.


Is MUC going to be LH's A350 base? Any possibility of MUC-BOM going this route?
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Re: India Aviation Thread - February 2017

Tue Feb 07, 2017 7:10 pm

KiloRomeoDelta wrote:
Have any other carriers announced A350 flights to any Indian airports?
At some point BA is going to replace their 777-200s they fly into India with the A350-1000.
 
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Re: India Aviation Thread - February 2017

Tue Feb 07, 2017 7:20 pm

VTORD wrote:

Is MUC going to be LH's A350 base? Any possibility of MUC-BOM going this route?


Yes the 350\s are gonna be based at MUC and we will definitely see them at Bombay Some day

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Re: India Aviation Thread - February 2017

Wed Feb 08, 2017 3:05 am

Speaking of LH, May 2017 FRA - BOM booking shows 744. I thought they up gauged to 748. Any idea if this was always the plan or they think BOM is best served by the 744?
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Re: India Aviation Thread - February 2017

Wed Feb 08, 2017 5:15 am

VTORD wrote:
Speaking of LH, May 2017 FRA - BOM booking shows 744. I thought they up gauged to 748. Any idea if this was always the plan or they think BOM is best served by the 744?

If you see LH 757, currently it's operated with B748 only. I don't know but maybe LH is planning a B744 for May because at that time, mostly Indian families visit India and demand for economy is more than premium classes. B748 has a massive premium cabin and only about 250 economy seats..
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Re: India Aviation Thread - February 2017

Wed Feb 08, 2017 5:18 am

IndiGo announces flights to Sharjah- its 7th international destination!
Budget carrier IndiGo today said it will launch services to Sahrjah from Kozhikode and Thiruvananthapuram, besides introducing a flight to Muscat from Kozhikode, starting March-April.

http://economictimes.com/industry/trans ... 005115.cms
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Re: India Aviation Thread - February 2017

Wed Feb 08, 2017 6:04 am

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IndiGo announces flights to Sharjah- its 7th international destination!
Budget carrier IndiGo today said it will launch services to Sahrjah from Kozhikode and Thiruvananthapuram, besides introducing a flight to Muscat from Kozhikode, starting March-April.

http://economictimes.com/industry/trans ... 005115.cms


^^ Mentioned in the last thread.

Also, according to the recent earnings call, indiGo plans to launch the following destinations, in addition to launching Madurai and Sharjah, within a 90 day period -

1. Amritsar
2. Dhaka
3. Doha
4. Mangalore


They will take delivery of 5 A320neos (originally 6, but ITO was delivered yesterday) and 1 A320ceo to raise their fleet to 133 by the end of the Financial Year 2016-17.

https://www.goindigo.in/content/dam/goi ... 3-FY17.pdf
 
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Re: India Aviation Thread - February 2017

Wed Feb 08, 2017 8:46 am

KiloRomeoDelta wrote:
anshabhi wrote:
Lufthansa will upgrade Munich-Delhi to A350 from 11 Feb. LH's 2nd A350 destination will be Delhi's first A350 service.


Not just Delhi, it will be India's first A350 flight, isn't it? Have any other carriers announced A350 flights to any Indian airports?


Even SQ announced they are gonna deploy A350 on SIN-BOM route in mid 2017...
 
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Re: India Aviation Thread - February 2017

Wed Feb 08, 2017 8:56 am

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/art ... 035735.cms

Air India plans Mumbai-Tel Aviv with 788s later this year.
 
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Re: India Aviation Thread - February 2017

Wed Feb 08, 2017 9:00 am

http://in.reuters.com/article/idINI8N1EE00C

* Air India to look at China once the next few deliveries come in.

* Air India to finalize codeshare pact with UA by April 2017 (-> will definitely come in handy when AI launches Delhi-Washington DC).
 
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Re: India Aviation Thread - February 2017

Wed Feb 08, 2017 9:22 am

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http://in.reuters.com/article/idINI8N1EE00C

* Air India to look at China once the next few deliveries come in.

* Air India to finalize codeshare pact with UA by April 2017 (-> will definitely come in handy when AI launches Delhi-Washington DC).


Yeah Tel Aviv route was in news since a long time. DearLeader is expected to visit Israel in July this year. According to the article, AI will announce the route during his visit. Other interesting thing about article is that AI can fly up to Saudi Arabia, and after that over red sea and then Israel. Other than Saudi Arabia, other gulf nations will allow AI to overfly them. This will mean it will be 1-2 hours shorter than El Al flight.

AI serves Shanghai I think. What city could be next? Beijing? Also, AI CMD recently said AI is looking at Toronto. This could also be just a speculation..
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Re: India Aviation Thread - February 2017

Wed Feb 08, 2017 10:01 am

IMO, China is going to be a 6E territory with CCU as hub. Almost entire China can be covered in 2000 nm from CCU:
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Chinese airlines have already filled up their quota while Indian airlines use only 10% of their bilateral quota of 10,000 seats or 42 weekly frequencies
(http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... 160849.cms)
Theoretically. A320neo can go upto 3500 nm but A320 isn't meant for 6 hour+ routes and 6E knows this.. 3000 nm from DEL:

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Re: India Aviation Thread - February 2017

Wed Feb 08, 2017 1:43 pm

I am surprised that Indigo is not using the NEOs to resume DEL-SIN and BOM-SIN. These two routes were part of their international inaugurals in 2011 when Aditya Ghosh proclaimed that they'll both become 3x daily in the future. Both were axed within a year. I assumed then they'll be reconsidered once the NEOs come in, but so far there has been no talks on these lines.
 
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Re: India Aviation Thread - February 2017

Wed Feb 08, 2017 3:33 pm

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I am surprised that Indigo is not using the NEOs to resume DEL-SIN and BOM-SIN. These two routes were part of their international inaugurals in 2011 when Aditya Ghosh proclaimed that they'll both become 3x daily in the future. Both were axed within a year. I assumed then they'll be reconsidered once the NEOs come in, but so far there has been no talks on these lines.


I think its the massive competition which keeps 6E away. Both routes have 1* A380,B787 and 3*A330 daily service.. 6E can instead get better yields with less demand but un/under-served markets like AMD/IXC-SIN. This is evident from 6E many southern cities- SIN/Middle East flights..
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Re: India Aviation Thread - February 2017

Wed Feb 08, 2017 3:56 pm

unrave wrote:
I am surprised that Indigo is not using the NEOs to resume DEL-SIN and BOM-SIN. These two routes were part of their international inaugurals in 2011 when Aditya Ghosh proclaimed that they'll both become 3x daily in the future. Both were axed within a year. I assumed then they'll be reconsidered once the NEOs come in, but so far there has been no talks on these lines.


Probably they will wait until NEO teething issues are resolved. As is 6E NEO deployment is more aggressive than LH.
 
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Re: India Aviation Thread - February 2017

Thu Feb 09, 2017 12:14 pm

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Probably they will wait until NEO teething issues are resolved. As is 6E NEO deployment is more aggressive than LH.


6E is adding NEOs too aggressively and Airbus is unable to deliver them. 6E was going to add 4 NEOs in March only, but they have been delayed by 1 month.

AI express has postponed its Delhi-Tehran plans because of Trump.
http://m.economictimes.com/industry/tra ... 039889.cms
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Re: India Aviation Thread - February 2017

Thu Feb 09, 2017 12:30 pm

anshabhi wrote:
dtw2hyd wrote:
Probably they will wait until NEO teething issues are resolved. As is 6E NEO deployment is more aggressive than LH.


6E is adding NEOs too aggressively and Airbus is unable to deliver them. 6E was going to add 4 NEOs in March only, but they have been delayed by 1 month.

AI express has postponed its Delhi-Tehran plans because of Drumpf.
http://m.economictimes.com/industry/tra ... 039889.cms


As a result of which, 6E is delaying plans for Sharjah, Doha, Kozhikode-Muscat and Kolkata-Kathmandu/Singapore.
 
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Re: India Aviation Thread - February 2017

Fri Feb 10, 2017 3:13 am

anshabhi wrote:
atal17 wrote:
http://in.reuters.com/article/idINI8N1EE00C

* Air India to look at China once the next few deliveries come in.

* Air India to finalize codeshare pact with UA by April 2017 (-> will definitely come in handy when AI launches Delhi-Washington DC).


Yeah Tel Aviv route was in news since a long time. DearLeader is expected to visit Israel in July this year. According to the article, AI will announce the route during his visit. Other interesting thing about article is that AI can fly up to Saudi Arabia, and after that over red sea and then Israel. Other than Saudi Arabia, other gulf nations will allow AI to overfly them. This will mean it will be 1-2 hours shorter than El Al flight.

AI serves Shanghai I think. What city could be next? Beijing? Also, AI CMD recently said AI is looking at Toronto. This could also be just a speculation..


Saudi or any Arab state will not allow overflights to any airline to Israel, the writer must be mistaken, the ban is strictly enforced.
 
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Re: India Aviation Thread - February 2017

Fri Feb 10, 2017 4:57 am

Just saying, 9W has lost 2 B738s(VT-JTD, goa accident) in 2 months and 6E has lost one NEO (VT-ITF)
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Fri Feb 10, 2017 5:45 am

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Just saying, 9W has lost 2 B738s(VT-JTD, goa accident) in 2 months and 6E has lost one NEO (VT-ITF)


They aren't "lost" - they are grounded.
 
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Re: India Aviation Thread - February 2017

Fri Feb 10, 2017 6:22 am

TLV is quite complex given the geopolitical constraints, as the LY routing shows. For Indians TK is extremely useful to reach TLV. Some Israelis use TK or ET or even take a transborder bus to AMM to catch EK/EY/QR, not just to India but across Asia.

But others, particularly Israelis who work in sensitive defence or security areas, are not permitted to use any of these options. Because domestic connections in India (i.e., TLV-BOM-DEL) are not too popular, many actually do TLV-FRA-DEL if they have business in the Indian capital. Lufthansa actually captures quite high fares on this sector, even in economy class.
 
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Re: India Aviation Thread - February 2017

Fri Feb 10, 2017 2:01 pm

2 Alert teens save a burning NEO!

Okay the heading is quiet an exaggeration but this is a nice story:
THE ALERTNESS of two teenagers of Goyla Dairy village in southwest Delhi’s Dwarka saved the lives of 194 people onboard a Bengaluru-bound GoAir flight on Wednesday, after they spotted fire and smoke from the tail of the aircraft and alerted the Delhi Police Control Room. The flight captain was informed and the aircraft made an emergency landing at Indira Gandhi International airport.
Deputy Commissioner of Police (airport) Sanjay Bhatia said they received a call at 7.40 pm. “We immediately verified the caller and informed the agencies concerned following which the flight made the emergency landing at 7.47 pm on Runway 28,” he added.

http://indianexpress.com/article/cities ... s-4516723/

Meanwhile, Go Air seems to have lost or "grounded" the involved NEO VT-WGB.
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Re: India Aviation Thread - February 2017

Sat Feb 11, 2017 1:23 pm

NEO - Not Exciting Option
 
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Re: India Aviation Thread - February 2017

Sun Feb 12, 2017 1:22 am

A businessman transformed an actual ex-Air India A320 into a fancy restaurant called ‘Hawai Adda’ in Ludhiana. According to the National Restaurant Association of India, the plane has been permanently parked at the Verka Milk Bar premises on Ferozpur Road.
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Re: India Aviation Thread - February 2017

Sun Feb 12, 2017 6:43 am

Cochin Airport Terminal 3 video, sorry its in Malayalam.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-v85W1PT1rw
 
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Mon Feb 13, 2017 3:46 am

CanadaFair wrote:
anshabhi wrote:
atal17 wrote:
http://in.reuters.com/article/idINI8N1EE00C

* Air India to look at China once the next few deliveries come in.

* Air India to finalize codeshare pact with UA by April 2017 (-> will definitely come in handy when AI launches Delhi-Washington DC).


Yeah Tel Aviv route was in news since a long time. DearLeader is expected to visit Israel in July this year. According to the article, AI will announce the route during his visit. Other interesting thing about article is that AI can fly up to Saudi Arabia, and after that over red sea and then Israel. Other than Saudi Arabia, other gulf nations will allow AI to overfly them. This will mean it will be 1-2 hours shorter than El Al flight.

AI serves Shanghai I think. What city could be next? Beijing? Also, AI CMD recently said AI is looking at Toronto. This could also be just a speculation..


Saudi or any Arab state will not allow overflights to any airline to Israel, the writer must be mistaken, the ban is strictly enforced.


Oh and heres more food for thought, according to the journalist AI will be allowed to fly over Israel un-freindly Saudi then hop onto international waters of Red Sea but avoid the straight short cut from Saudi over Isreal friendly Jordan.
 
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Re: India Aviation Thread - February 2017

Mon Feb 13, 2017 4:19 am

Lufthansa started A350 ops from 10th Feb in MUC-DEL route(D-AIXA) good to see first A350 in India and also first a350 route for Lufthansa. .
 
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Re: India Aviation Thread - February 2017

Mon Feb 13, 2017 5:38 am

Zoom Air announces future plans!
The carrier is even contemplating a maintenance, repair and operations (MRO) base for regional jets at Andal (Durgapur) by year-end.

Dhar said Zoom Air would aim to connect smaller cities like Durgapur with metros, thereby feeding other scheduled carriers like Air India, Jet Airways, IndiGo and SpiceJet with passengers. "There are many airports to which other airlines will not fly because they don't have an aircraft that can cater to 50-60 fliers a day .With our 50-seater jet planes, we are perfectly placed to fill the gap," said Dhar.

While Zoom is beginning operations with connections to Durgapur, Kolkata, Delhi, Chandigarh and Amritsar it plans to add flights to Surat, Bhavnagar, Mumbai, Aurangabad, Jabalpur, Shillong and Aizwal in the summer schedule and Tirupati, Vijaywada, Vizag, Aizwal, Pasighat, Zero, Allahabad, Gorakhpur, Indore and Bhopal thereafter.


http://timesofindia.com/city/kolkata/zo ... 118355.cms
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Mon Feb 13, 2017 6:09 am

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first a350 route for Lufthansa. .

oh really. thats good to know. i was under the impression they were going to launch BOS and then DEL....
 
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Mon Feb 13, 2017 6:58 am

anshabhi wrote:
Zoom Air announces future plans!
The carrier is even contemplating a maintenance, repair and operations (MRO) base for regional jets at Andal (Durgapur) by year-end.

Dhar said Zoom Air would aim to connect smaller cities like Durgapur with metros, thereby feeding other scheduled carriers like Air India, Jet Airways, IndiGo and SpiceJet with passengers. "There are many airports to which other airlines will not fly because they don't have an aircraft that can cater to 50-60 fliers a day .With our 50-seater jet planes, we are perfectly placed to fill the gap," said Dhar.

While Zoom is beginning operations with connections to Durgapur, Kolkata, Delhi, Chandigarh and Amritsar it plans to add flights to Surat, Bhavnagar, Mumbai, Aurangabad, Jabalpur, Shillong and Aizwal in the summer schedule and Tirupati, Vijaywada, Vizag, Aizwal, Pasighat, Zero, Allahabad, Gorakhpur, Indore and Bhopal thereafter.


http://timesofindia.com/city/kolkata/zo ... 118355.cms


First schedules are up -

1 daily Delhi-Kolkata-Durgapur-Delhi

ZO101 DEL0735 - 0935CCU CR2 D

ZO301 CCU1005 - 1030RDP1110 - 1300DEL CR2 D
 
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Mon Feb 13, 2017 7:17 am

Also, it's a full service carrier which will operate from T3 in Delhi and T2 in Mumbai.
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Re: India Aviation Thread - February 2017

Tue Feb 14, 2017 1:48 am

After years of delays GVK finally wins the bid to construct the Navi Mumbai Airport
http://www.thehindu.com/news/cities/mum ... 298515.ece
 
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Tue Feb 14, 2017 2:12 am

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After years of delays GVK finally wins the bid to construct the Navi Mumbai Airport
http://www.thehindu.com/news/cities/mum ... 298515.ece


There are still issues with regards to environmental clearance. There is a river that runs some distance away from the proposed site. The mistakes made half a century ago with the Mithi river near the existing BOM airport must be avoided.

There is an alternate site near Kalyan which was being used as a British Army airstrip. Not long enough for Jet ops, but should be sufficient for ATR type aircraft. It is now being used as a open-air godown by FCI (or atleast was till 5 years back when I flew over it in a C172. Perhaps that could be revived?
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Tue Feb 14, 2017 4:43 am

The Kalyan airstrip would require some serious political will from Shiv Sena and BJP to be revived. I don't see that happening. Besides, they will have to invest in connectivity as the current infrastructure is overloaded.

P.S. I am a Kalyan resident, and would love to have the 'regional' airport here!
 
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Re: India Aviation Thread - February 2017

Tue Feb 14, 2017 6:49 am

So how will the 2 airports co-exist? What are the odds that a single airline completely shifts ops to the new airport (like UA at EWR)?

Speaking of connectivity, getting to the new airport at Panvel will also be a challenge, especially for people living in the Western Suburbs and beyond (Bhayander, Vasai, Virar).
 
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Tue Feb 14, 2017 8:02 am

6E can happily shift its entire operations to new airport. That alone would free over 50% of CSIA T1.

And, Navi Mumbai metro is also under development. It will connect Airport to CBD Belapur railway station. Catch a train to Thane and then change again to central line. Navi Mumbai residents also have to do similar journeys on harbour & western lines to reach CSIA.
It takes 2 hours to fly Delhi-Mumbai and another 2 hours to reach home in Navi Mumbai!

Also, I have personally visited the site for NMIA. Its surrounded by mountains, near a national highway and as of now those broad roads lack much traffic.
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Tue Feb 14, 2017 2:40 pm

Spicejet announces Q3 results. Net profits down 24% revenue up 12%. http://www.livemint.com/Companies/JA6sh ... -quar.html
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Re: India Aviation Thread - February 2017

Tue Feb 14, 2017 3:11 pm

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6E can happily shift its entire operations to new airport. That alone would free over 50% of CSIA T1.

Catch a train to Thane and then change again to central line. Navi Mumbai residents also have to do similar journeys on harbour & western lines to reach CSIA.
It takes 2 hours to fly Delhi-Mumbai and another 2 hours to reach home in Navi Mumbai!

Also, I have personally visited the site for NMIA. Its surrounded by mountains, near a national highway and as of now those broad roads lack much traffic.


You are suggesting that passengers with check-in bag(s) and carry-on try commute on a Mumbai local?
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Re: India Aviation Thread - February 2017

Tue Feb 14, 2017 3:19 pm

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6E can happily shift its entire operations to new airport. That alone would free over 50% of CSIA T1.

Ha ha ha ha! Are you for real? The catchment area around BOM is a 100 times the size of the area around the proposed NMIA. Will 6E abandon the huge BOM market and move to NMIA?

anshabhi wrote:
And, Navi Mumbai metro is also under development. It will connect Airport to CBD Belapur railway station. Catch a train to Thane and then change again to central line.

Navi Mumbai residents also have to do similar journeys on harbour & western lines to reach CSIA. It takes 2 hours to fly Delhi-Mumbai and another 2 hours to reach home in Navi Mumbai!


Have you sat in a local train? Do you think a passenger who wants to fly to DEL, will cart his baggage onto a Harbor Line train at Belapur. Switch at Vashi for Thane, and then change again for central line. And then change again for Western line to Borivili? Really?

More likely, he will be forced to take a taxi, shelling out over 1500 rupees for a 3 hour taxi ride to the new airport.

NM Metro will take 10 years to complete. Also the NM population is a tiny fraction of the premium markets located near the current BOM airport which has seen upgrades recently.

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Also, I have personally visited the site for NMIA. Its surrounded by mountains, near a national highway and as of now those broad roads lack much traffic.


I have seen the site myself. And I have also studied the environmental impact assesments which forced the previous govt to put a brake on the project. You might have read some of my articles in Indian papers on the topic. Most crucially, NMIA is in a highly highly ecologically sensitive zone. The construction would destroy 3000 hectares of critically endangered mangroves that would impact tide patterns in the area that could potentially cause flooding in the years to come. Plus 2 rivers have to be rerouted which would cause even more disastrous consequences! Remember that horrific night when Mumbai was flooded? Among the reasons for that disaster was the diversion and destruction of the Mithi river. The situation in Navi Mumbai will be a hundred times worse.

Real estate speculators who have invested in buying up properties around this "proposed site" are forcing this current govt's hand. Environmental assessments warning against this project are being brushed aside. Short term gain for speculators is trumping long term interest!

Some day when Seawoods & Sanpaada are flooded, we will look back at this ill-fated decision and wish we had fought this harder! :(

The Kalyan airfield already has a functional runway that can easily handle ATR72's. Regional turboprop operations out of BOM can shift there. Market assessments have shown a large proportion BOM passengers flying to Southern India stay within a 15 km radius of the Kalyan airfield. It will need a terminal which can be constructed for a hundredth of a fraction of what the NMIA is going to cost the taxpayer. Maharashtra already has the MIDC which has built & operated fantastic airports at remote places like Karad. It can be done.

But not when the govt is funded and controlled by real-estate speculators who have invested in properties around the proposed NMIA and Panvel.
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Re: India Aviation Thread - February 2017

Tue Feb 14, 2017 11:09 pm

You might have read some of my articles in Indian papers on the topic


Would you mind providing any links to the articles? I am a resident of Mumbai and a frequentish flyer, would love to know more about the environmental impact of this airport.
 
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You might have read some of my articles in Indian papers on the topic


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Wed Feb 15, 2017 5:03 am

BawliBooch wrote:
anshabhi wrote:
6E can happily shift its entire operations to new airport. That alone would free over 50% of CSIA T1.

Ha ha ha ha! Are you for real? The catchment area around BOM is a 100 times the size of the area around the proposed NMIA. Will 6E abandon the huge BOM market and move to NMIA?

anshabhi wrote:
And, Navi Mumbai metro is also under development. It will connect Airport to CBD Belapur railway station. Catch a train to Thane and then change again to central line.

Navi Mumbai residents also have to do similar journeys on harbour & western lines to reach CSIA. It takes 2 hours to fly Delhi-Mumbai and another 2 hours to reach home in Navi Mumbai!


Have you sat in a local train? Do you think a passenger who wants to fly to DEL, will cart his baggage onto a Harbor Line train at Belapur. Switch at Vashi for Thane, and then change again for central line. And then change again for Western line to Borivili? Really?

More likely, he will be forced to take a taxi, shelling out over 1500 rupees for a 3 hour taxi ride to the new airport.

NM Metro will take 10 years to complete. Also the NM population is a tiny fraction of the premium markets located near the current BOM airport which has seen upgrades recently.

anshabhi wrote:
Also, I have personally visited the site for NMIA. Its surrounded by mountains, near a national highway and as of now those broad roads lack much traffic.


I have seen the site myself. And I have also studied the environmental impact assesments which forced the previous govt to put a brake on the project. You might have read some of my articles in Indian papers on the topic. Most crucially, NMIA is in a highly highly ecologically sensitive zone. The construction would destroy 3000 hectares of critically endangered mangroves that would impact tide patterns in the area that could potentially cause flooding in the years to come. Plus 2 rivers have to be rerouted which would cause even more disastrous consequences! Remember that horrific night when Mumbai was flooded? Among the reasons for that disaster was the diversion and destruction of the Mithi river. The situation in Navi Mumbai will be a hundred times worse.

Real estate speculators who have invested in buying up properties around this "proposed site" are forcing this current govt's hand. Environmental assessments warning against this project are being brushed aside. Short term gain for speculators is trumping long term interest!

Some day when Seawoods & Sanpaada are flooded, we will look back at this ill-fated decision and wish we had fought this harder! :(

The Kalyan airfield already has a functional runway that can easily handle ATR72's. Regional turboprop operations out of BOM can shift there. Market assessments have shown a large proportion BOM passengers flying to Southern India stay within a 15 km radius of the Kalyan airfield. It will need a terminal which can be constructed for a hundredth of a fraction of what the NMIA is going to cost the taxpayer. Maharashtra already has the MIDC which has built & operated fantastic airports at remote places like Karad. It can be done.

But not when the govt is funded and controlled by real-estate speculators who have invested in properties around the proposed NMIA and Panvel.



+1.

Speaking of real estate development around NMIA, have the developers made provision for addition of a third runway if required in the future?
I wont be surprised if buildings start cropping up just a stones throw away from the runway perimeter.

It's sad that the fact that there is another site at Kalyan where an airport could be made has been under reported in the media. But then again, every major newspaper has sprawling ads from Real Estate Developers and builders, so how could they go against their benefactors?
 
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Re: India Aviation Thread - February 2017

Wed Feb 15, 2017 1:24 pm

Lufthansa's international budget airline to fly to India, Goa may be first stop.

German mega airline Lufthansa’s newly-launched low cost international airline is going to begin flights to India
Germans love to go to Goa and there is no direct service. Its most likely that Goa will be the first stop


http://timesofindia.com/business/india- ... 167205.cms

Which airline is this?
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Re: India Aviation Thread - February 2017

Wed Feb 15, 2017 2:19 pm

Cannot be scheduled ops to GOI.

Charter operators have been coming to GOI since over a decade. I have seen Monarch, Thomas Cook, Condor etc can all be seen in charter season which starts around mid-Nov. Russian/CIS charters start arriving even earlier around mid-October. Saw a Cubana Il-86 there once - think it was on lease to one of the former Soviet Republics.
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Re: India Aviation Thread - February 2017

Wed Feb 15, 2017 2:44 pm

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Re: India Aviation Thread - February 2017

Thu Feb 16, 2017 6:47 am

VTORD wrote:
Meanwhile some snippets of news out of 9W.......

http://www.livemint.com/Companies/3asKv ... e-In.htmll


Why not codeshare with Star Alliance partner Air India? Or do they have domestic codeshares that I'm not aware of?

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