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Re: India Aviation Thread - February 2017

Thu Feb 16, 2017 8:28 am

zubin wrote:
VTORD wrote:
Meanwhile some snippets of news out of 9W.......

http://www.livemint.com/Companies/3asKv ... e-In.htmll


Why not codeshare with Star Alliance partner Air India? Or do they have domestic codeshares that I'm not aware of?


Both of these questions are what I had in mind as well.

What a strange article.
 
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Re: India Aviation Thread - February 2017

Thu Feb 16, 2017 9:14 am

http://www.newsx.com/national/56038-air ... -expansion

Not sure how authentic this article is. Last week it was TLV-BOM now it's TLV-DEL. Also AI has already decided for CPH ex-DEL instead of ARN.
Also AI plans to start BOM-FRA and BOM-NBO/JNB.
 
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Re: India Aviation Thread - February 2017

Thu Feb 16, 2017 9:24 am

VTORD wrote:
Meanwhile some snippets of news out of 9W.......

http://www.livemint.com/Companies/3asKv ... re-In.html


9W is partnering with Lufthansa - Star Alliance founding member.
9W is now a partner of Delta / Air France / KLM - Sky Team founding members.

What does Air India get from being a member of Star Alliance if Lufthansa bypasses them?

What does Lufthansa get being with Jet Airways? Is it only for India-EU routes or India-EU-NA routes also like Delta?

Will we see the same with Brussels Airlines also? SN & 9W has a good old Brussels relation.
 
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Re: India Aviation Thread - February 2017

Thu Feb 16, 2017 11:14 am

anshabhi wrote:
Lufthansa's international budget airline to fly to India, Goa may be first stop.

German mega airline Lufthansa’s newly-launched low cost international airline is going to begin flights to India
Germans love to go to Goa and there is no direct service. Its most likely that Goa will be the first stop


http://timesofindia.com/business/india- ... 167205.cms

Which airline is this?


I doubt LH are starting a new "low-cost international airline". If that were the case it would have a thread of it's own on A.net.

What's more plausible is LH operating one of their high-density/low-premium aircraft on seasonal flights to Goa.

Some relevant links:
viewtopic.php?t=595021
http://www.routesonline.com/news/29/bre ... -business/
https://www.flightglobal.com/news/artic ... rm-404588/
 
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Re: India Aviation Thread - February 2017

Thu Feb 16, 2017 6:59 pm

zubin wrote:
I doubt LH are starting a new "low-cost international airline". If that were the case it would have a thread of it's own on A.net.


They are. It's called Eurowings: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eurowings

Airline itself is not "new"--it was started in 1990s, but it has been considerably expanded in recent years to cover long-haul international destinations.
 
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Re: India Aviation Thread - February 2017

Thu Feb 16, 2017 8:49 pm

Aeroflot LCC Pobeda plans to fly to Goa from Astrakhan and Yekaterinburg, now date announced.

Vie Jet plans Delhi from July.
 
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Re: India Aviation Thread - February 2017

Fri Feb 17, 2017 2:00 am

killswitch13 wrote:
http://www.newsx.com/national/56038-air-india-to-focus-on-international-and-regional-flight-expansion

Not sure how authentic this article is. Last week it was TLV-BOM now it's TLV-DEL. Also AI has already decided for CPH ex-DEL instead of ARN.
Also AI plans to start BOM-FRA and BOM-NBO/JNB.


With that pic of a 380 in AI colors headlining that story, I don't blame you for doubting the authenticity! :lol:
AI did decide in favor of CPH. I think CPH & IAD were announced last month. Funny thing AI's booking engine on their website shows ARN and IAD though I don't think the flights are loaded.
9W and SA each used to have a JNB flight from BOM and shut it down so I am not sure there is enough traffic to justify a non-stop. EK probably connects JNB-BOM pretty well and I think AI has a code share with ET for NBO.

zionite wrote:
VTORD wrote:
Meanwhile some snippets of news out of 9W.......

http://www.livemint.com/Companies/3asKv ... re-In.html


9W is partnering with Lufthansa - Star Alliance founding member.
9W is now a partner of Delta / Air France / KLM - Sky Team founding members.

What does Air India get from being a member of Star Alliance if Lufthansa bypasses them?

What does Lufthansa get being with Jet Airways? Is it only for India-EU routes or India-EU-NA routes also like Delta?

Will we see the same with Brussels Airlines also? SN & 9W has a good old Brussels relation.


Would be interesting to see what they actually come up with and compare with AI's announcement that they would be finalizing a codeshare with UA. All of AI's destinations in the US are UA hubs except JFK so may be AI & UA think its better to let each other handle the domestic end in each country?
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Re: India Aviation Thread - February 2017

Fri Feb 17, 2017 1:51 pm

India’s domestic air traffic grew over 25% in January

“Passengers carried by domestic airlines during Jan 2017 were 95.79 lakhs as against 76.55 lakhs during the corresponding period of previous year thereby registering a growth of 25.13%,” DGCA said.


http://www.zeebiz.com/companies/news-in ... uary-12583
 
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Re: India Aviation Thread - February 2017

Fri Feb 17, 2017 2:24 pm

VTORD wrote:
Would be interesting to see what they actually come up with and compare with AI's announcement that they would be finalizing a codeshare with UA. All of AI's destinations in the US are UA hubs except JFK so may be AI & UA think its better to let each other handle the domestic end in each country?


If you read between lines what UA fanboys are posting, it will be mostly AI placing codes on UA operated flights, not the other way. UA and LH will market very limited AI flights.

AI will be better off signing a comprehensive code share with DL, B6 or WN than indefinitely waiting on UA. BWI with WN feed will do far better than IAD without UA feed.

DL's logic is very simple, you pay $400 for US domestic connections, they will partner with anyone.
 
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Re: India Aviation Thread - February 2017

Sat Feb 18, 2017 1:43 am

[*] Jet Airways operational changes out of Mumbai/Kolkata

Effective 26MAR - 9W will commence daily nonstop Mumbai-Bagdogra, and increase Kolkata-Bagdogra to twice daily.

Mumbai-Bagdogra is currently served 1-stop by 6E once daily.

9W971 BOM1005 - 1300IXB 73H D

9W972 IXB1335 - 1635BOM 73H D

9W2452 CCU0610 - 0740IXB AT7 D

9W2453 IXB0805 - 0935CCU AT7 D

From the same date, 9W will reduce Mumbai-Rajkot to 2 daily (9W7001/7002, 9W7205/7206 stand cancelled) and cease operations to Imphal (currently served once daily each from Kolkata and Guwahati on the ATR72).

9W has axed several domestic destinations such as Jammu, Ranchi, Gorakhpur, Diu, Porbandar, Bhavnagar, Dimapur in the last 2 years.

[*] Spicejet Bangkok operation changes

Spicejet will commence Delhi-Bangkok effective 15APR17, while terminating 6 weekly Chennai-Bangkok effective 14APR17.

Delhi-Bangkok is currently served once daily by AI (B788), twice daily by 9W (B73H/B73J) and 19 weekly by TG (B773/B788/B772). Chennai-Bangkok, OTOH, is served once daily by TG (B772) & 5 weekly to Don-Mueang by FD (A320)

SG087 DEL2105 - 0300+1BKK 73H x2

SG088 BKK0350 - 0625DEL 73H x3

Flights will increase to daily effective 10MAY17.

[*] indiGo commences Amritsar effective 16MAR

indiGo commences its 44th destination (39th in India) - Amritsar, effective 16MAR17, with 1 daily each from Delhi & Mumbai.

Delhi-Amritsar is currently served 4 daily by AI (B788/A321), once daily by SG (DH4) and thrice daily by 9W (B73H/AT7). Mumbai-Amritsar is currently a SG monopoly (B73H) until March 8th, when UK commences 6 weekly A320 ops on the route.

1 daily Delhi-Amritsar

6E524 DEL0515 - 0620ATQ 320 D

6E525 ATQ0720 - 0825DEL 320 D (flight continues onto Jaipur under same flight number)

1 daily Mumbai-Amritsar

6E449 BOM1035 - 1310ATQ 320 D

6E448 ATQ1410 - 1705BOM 320 D

In order to accommodate these flights, 6E will reduce Delhi-Udaipur from 3 daily to 2 daily, Mumbai-Kolkata from 48 weekly to 42 weekly & Mumbai-Thiruvananthapuram from 8 weekly to 1 daily.

[*] Vistara commences Pune-Kolkata eff S17

Vistara will commence its first redeye flight between Pune & Kolkata effective 26MAR.

This route is currently a 6E monopoly, with 1-stop same plane options also available from 9W, SG and 6E.

UK985 CCU0025 - 0300PNQ 32A D

UK986 PNQ0340 - 0620CCU 32A D

Vistara is making use of the aircraft that overnights in Kolkata after doing Kolkata-Delhi/Port Blair runs in the morning.

[*] Etihad increases Bengaluru operations

Effective S17, Etihad will increase Bengaluru once again from 2 daily (1x daily A320/A321) to 3 daily. This increase means that 9W will vacate Bengaluru-Abu Dhabi from the same date.

9W has been steadily downsizing its presence at Abu Dhabi - having turned over its Ahmedabad-Abu Dhabi services to Etihad, terminated its Chennai-Abu Dhabi services, and shelved their planned Tiruchirappalli-Abu Dhabi services.

EY216 AUH2145 - 0315+1BLR 321 D

EY217 BLR0435 - 0705AUH 321 D

[*] Other changes

* Singapore Airlines will increase their Ahmedabad services to 4 weekly A330-300 effective 26MAR.
 
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Re: India Aviation Thread - February 2017

Sat Feb 18, 2017 2:44 am

More Southeast Asia airlines taking a look at India!

[*] http://ftnnews.com/aviation/31259-vietj ... ation.html

VJ plans to commence 3 weekly Ho Chi Minh City-New Delhi using their Airbus A320 equipment.

[*] http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/busi ... s?from=mdr

WE plans the following expansion in India

* Resumption of direct flights from Delhi/Mumbai to Phuket
* Plans to resume Ahmedabad and commence Chandigarh, Kochi, Port Blair and Pune
* Plans to increase Jaipur to daily by October and Lucknow to 5 weekly by year-end.
 
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Re: India Aviation Thread - February 2017

Sun Feb 19, 2017 6:47 am

Air traffic growth continues at breakneck speed: traffic is up by 25% in Jan 2016

http://www.business-standard.com/articl ... 293_1.html
 
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Re: India Aviation Thread - February 2017

Sun Feb 19, 2017 10:04 am

unrave wrote:
Air traffic growth continues at breakneck speed: traffic is up by 25% in Jan 2016

http://www.business-standard.com/articl ... 293_1.html


Very very surprising. I would've expected that depressed economic activity arising from DeMo would've had some impact on numbers. I guess we might see that in the RASK for this quarter.

Sadly, this government chooses to do absolutely nothing about the infrastructure needed to continue this growth - Patna, Pune, Kozhikode, Guwahati, Jammu, Chennai, Mumbai need new airports fast.
 
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Re: India Aviation Thread - February 2017

Sun Feb 19, 2017 1:31 pm

atal17 wrote:
[*] Jet Airways operational changes out of Mumbai/Kolkata

Effective 26MAR - 9W will commence daily nonstop Mumbai-Bagdogra, and increase Kolkata-Bagdogra to twice daily.

Mumbai-Bagdogra is currently served 1-stop by 6E once daily.

9W971 BOM1005 - 1300IXB 73H D

9W972 IXB1335 - 1635BOM 73H D

9W2452 CCU0610 - 0740IXB AT7 D

9W2453 IXB0805 - 0935CCU AT7 D

From the same date, 9W will reduce Mumbai-Rajkot to 2 daily (9W7001/7002, 9W7205/7206 stand cancelled) and cease operations to Imphal (currently served once daily each from Kolkata and Guwahati on the ATR72).

9W has axed several domestic destinations such as Jammu, Ranchi, Gorakhpur, Diu, Porbandar, Bhavnagar, Dimapur in the last 2 years.



Imphal is the 2nd busiest airport in the north-east after GAU, so 9W pulling out of that sector comes a a big surprise. One reason for the pullout could be the economic blockade imposed on Manipur since last 3 months which leaves air connectivity as the only means to access the valley from rest of the country. This rather should have resulted in an increase in demand for airlines flying Imphal.

Imphal for 9W has rather been half hearted effort which was serviced on alternative days by ATR and 737 both taking a circular route back to CCU by GAU

9W is surely getting bullied by ever expanding 6E network and is looking at more routes having business traffic and stick to its premium landing / take-off slots in BOM to fly passengers directly to their destinations within India.

Starting of BOM-DED last summer was one such example

After all 9W remains the only Indian Airline which still continues to retain BOM as its home base, as a financial capital of the country the city's business community has forged a bond with 9W which allows them the convenience to make day trips across the country.
 
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Re: India Aviation Thread - February 2017

Sun Feb 19, 2017 6:36 pm

anshabhi wrote:
India’s domestic air traffic grew over 25% in January

“Passengers carried by domestic airlines during Jan 2017 were 95.79 lakhs as against 76.55 lakhs during the corresponding period of previous year thereby registering a growth of 25.13%,” DGCA said.


http://www.zeebiz.com/companies/news-in ... uary-12583

What amazes me is how this growth happened without some of the airport growth I believe required to stimulate growth in certain cities.

Also, when is the first 20,000teu port to be completed in India? The lack of profits in shipping is forcing cost cutting. IMHO, Indian air travel will be stimulated by more efficient cargo movement.

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Re: India Aviation Thread - February 2017

Mon Feb 20, 2017 4:08 am

BOMRPR wrote:
atal17 wrote:
[*] Jet Airways operational changes out of Mumbai/Kolkata

Effective 26MAR - 9W will commence daily nonstop Mumbai-Bagdogra, and increase Kolkata-Bagdogra to twice daily.

Mumbai-Bagdogra is currently served 1-stop by 6E once daily.

9W971 BOM1005 - 1300IXB 73H D

9W972 IXB1335 - 1635BOM 73H D

9W2452 CCU0610 - 0740IXB AT7 D

9W2453 IXB0805 - 0935CCU AT7 D

From the same date, 9W will reduce Mumbai-Rajkot to 2 daily (9W7001/7002, 9W7205/7206 stand cancelled) and cease operations to Imphal (currently served once daily each from Kolkata and Guwahati on the ATR72).

9W has axed several domestic destinations such as Jammu, Ranchi, Gorakhpur, Diu, Porbandar, Bhavnagar, Dimapur in the last 2 years.



Imphal is the 2nd busiest airport in the north-east after GAU, so 9W pulling out of that sector comes a a big surprise. One reason for the pullout could be the economic blockade imposed on Manipur since last 3 months which leaves air connectivity as the only means to access the valley from rest of the country. This rather should have resulted in an increase in demand for airlines flying Imphal.

Imphal for 9W has rather been half hearted effort which was serviced on alternative days by ATR and 737 both taking a circular route back to CCU by GAU

9W is surely getting bullied by ever expanding 6E network and is looking at more routes having business traffic and stick to its premium landing / take-off slots in BOM to fly passengers directly to their destinations within India.

Starting of BOM-DED last summer was one such example

After all 9W remains the only Indian Airline which still continues to retain BOM as its home base, as a financial capital of the country the city's business community has forged a bond with 9W which allows them the convenience to make day trips across the country.


Agreed. 6E really ups the pressure with their aggressive pricing. They've obviously got the room to do so thanks to their low CASK, and that affects AI,9W the worst. I'm willing to bet though, that yields on routes ex-BOM are a lot higher compared to routes ex-DEL/HYD/CCU.

Although, I still think 9W hedged their bets on the wrong airport. Given the chance, they should've picked DEL. They're screwed now thanks to BOM's constraints.

lightsaber wrote:
anshabhi wrote:
India’s domestic air traffic grew over 25% in January

“Passengers carried by domestic airlines during Jan 2017 were 95.79 lakhs as against 76.55 lakhs during the corresponding period of previous year thereby registering a growth of 25.13%,” DGCA said.


http://www.zeebiz.com/companies/news-in ... uary-12583

What amazes me is how this growth happened without some of the airport growth I believe required to stimulate growth in certain cities.

Lightsaber


Most of this growth is coming from mass capacity dumps from indiGo followed by deep discounting by most major carriers.
 
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Re: India Aviation Thread - February 2017

Mon Feb 20, 2017 7:01 am

atal17 wrote:
[*] Jet Airways operational changes out of Mumbai/Kolkata

Effective 26MAR - 9W will commence daily nonstop Mumbai-Bagdogra, and increase Kolkata-Bagdogra to twice daily.

From the same date, 9W will reduce Mumbai-Rajkot to 2 daily (9W7001/7002, 9W7205/7206 stand cancelled) and cease operations to Imphal (currently served once daily each from Kolkata and Guwahati on the ATR72).


Mumbai-Rajkot route is cancelled due to Mumbai closure or a D-Check with either erstwhile JetLite B737-700 - VT-JLB, VT-SIZ, VT-SJA. I see only these 3 aircrafts on this route except in exceptional cases like a cricket matches in IPL season when a Jet Airways' B737-700 is used when teams are traveling.

I always see the aircraft full (98% to 100% LF) on this route. Fares are usually 6000 to 9000 when booked in 1 week to 3 week in advance. Almost double the fares on Mumbai-Delhi or Mumbai-Ahmedabad routes for the same time frames.
 
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Re: India Aviation Thread - February 2017

Mon Feb 20, 2017 7:04 am

atal17 wrote:
lightsaber wrote:
anshabhi wrote:
India’s domestic air traffic grew over 25% in January



http://www.zeebiz.com/companies/news-in ... uary-12583

What amazes me is how this growth happened without some of the airport growth I believe required to stimulate growth in certain cities.

Lightsaber


Most of this growth is coming from mass capacity dumps from indiGo followed by deep discounting by most major carriers.



It's obviously a myth that all Indian airports are facing capacity constraints. Except Mumbai, no other Indian airport is reporting any severe problems. instead, there are 80+ unserved airports in India.
Also, Delhi alone handles over 50% of all Indian traffic and Delhi is absolutely slot constraints free. It recently gave entire T2 to IndiGo, thus giving it a capacity of 12 million passengers and freeing up T1 by over 50%. By 2020, T4 will come up and T1 will be expanded further. Most Indian airports own a lot of area around them which can be used at any time to expand.
And no, 6E or any other airline is not dumping capacity. They are adjusting to the new normal of ₹3.5/km. People are moving from Trains to Planes. You don't have any reason to pay ₹5000 and spend 2 days on Delhi-Bangalore Rajdhani when in 3 hours you can fly DEL-BLR for the same price.
On all routes with good Air connectivity, 2A (second AC) is going empty and 3A barely crosses the RAC list.
 
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Re: India Aviation Thread - February 2017

Mon Feb 20, 2017 8:26 am

zionite wrote:
atal17 wrote:
[*] Jet Airways operational changes out of Mumbai/Kolkata

Effective 26MAR - 9W will commence daily nonstop Mumbai-Bagdogra, and increase Kolkata-Bagdogra to twice daily.

From the same date, 9W will reduce Mumbai-Rajkot to 2 daily (9W7001/7002, 9W7205/7206 stand cancelled) and cease operations to Imphal (currently served once daily each from Kolkata and Guwahati on the ATR72).


Mumbai-Rajkot route is cancelled due to Mumbai closure or a D-Check with either erstwhile JetLite B737-700 - VT-JLB, VT-SIZ, VT-SJA. I see only these 3 aircrafts on this route except in exceptional cases like a cricket matches in IPL season when a Jet Airways' B737-700 is used when teams are traveling.

I always see the aircraft full (98% to 100% LF) on this route. Fares are usually 6000 to 9000 when booked in 1 week to 3 week in advance. Almost double the fares on Mumbai-Delhi or Mumbai-Ahmedabad routes for the same time frames.


I thought so,as well, until I checked and saw that the two flights they've cancelled was originally part of this rotation -

Pune-Bengaluru-Mumbai-Rajkot-Mumbai-Rajkot-Mumbai-Bengaluru-Pune.

While the Pune-Bengaluru-Mumbai and v.v have still remained, the two Rajkot flights have been cancelled for the entire season. In its place, 9W has moved one of its Mumbai-Coimbatore flights to this S2 rotation. They've instead used the slots from the cancelled Rajkot flights and the aircraft that would've done 9W393/386 to launch the nonstop Mumbai-Bagdogra flight.

Its a sad reminder that Mumbai needs a new airport fast.

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atal17 wrote:
lightsaber wrote:
What amazes me is how this growth happened without some of the airport growth I believe required to stimulate growth in certain cities.

Lightsaber


Most of this growth is coming from mass capacity dumps from indiGo followed by deep discounting by most major carriers.



It's obviously a myth that all Indian airports are facing capacity constraints. Except Mumbai, no other Indian airport is reporting any severe problems. instead, there are 80+ unserved airports in India.
Also, Delhi alone handles over 50% of all Indian traffic and Delhi is absolutely slot constraints free. It recently gave entire T2 to IndiGo, thus giving it a capacity of 12 million passengers and freeing up T1 by over 50%. By 2020, T4 will come up and T1 will be expanded further. Most Indian airports own a lot of area around them which can be used at any time to expand.
And no, 6E or any other airline is not dumping capacity. They are adjusting to the new normal of ₹3.5/km. People are moving from Trains to Planes. You don't have any reason to pay ₹5000 and spend 2 days on Delhi-Bangalore Rajdhani when in 3 hours you can fly DEL-BLR for the same price.
On all routes with good Air connectivity, 2A (second AC) is going empty and 3A barely crosses the RAC list.


Err.... what do you think I meant by capacity dump...? 6E was adding atleast 8-10 flights a month during this time...

And no, most Indian airports don't have land lying around that can make use of easily. Otherwise the infrastructure problem would've been taken care of a long time ago. Guwahati is clogged beyond control, Pune desperately requires a new terminal and additional parking bays, Patna cannot expand its runway and is forced to make airlines undergo a technical stop at Ranchi before flying to Mumbai or Bengaluru, Kozhikode is stuck with an airport runway & apron that cannot handle widebody flights, and don't even get me started on the catastrophic mess that is Chennai. Even in the example of Rajkot - the airport cannot extend its runway length due to lack of available land at both ends. These are several such examples, and the list will grow even bigger if the Govt sits on it.

India doesn't revolve around Delhi alone, and a lot of cities that have proven potential need massive capex on aviation infrastructure for growth to really take off.
 
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Re: India Aviation Thread - February 2017

Mon Feb 20, 2017 1:42 pm

[*] Jet Airways resumes Mumbai-Madurai effective S17

9W is set to add another nonstop from Mumbai in order to cement its position in the city - this time to the temple town of Madurai. The route is currently served on a same plane service via Chennai once daily each by Spicejet (B73H) and Air India (A319).

This flight will be an extension of the current 9W336/357 Delhi-Mumbai-Delhi, thereby adding another 1-stop service on the Delhi-Madurai route which already sees SG via Chennai (B73H), and will see 6E via Chennai (A320) from next week.

This route is technically a resumption since 9W used to serve the route nonstop using their 734s in the year 2000 before axing the route sometime later.

9W336 DEL0800 - 1005BOM1045 - 1250IXM 73H D

9W357 IXM1330 - 1535BOM1630 - 1835DEL 73H D

[*] indiGo service reductions

From March 1, 6E reduces services on the following routes

* Chennai-Kochi from 5 to 3 daily (6E228/227 cancelled, 6E859/698 transferred to Madurai)
* Bengaluru-Thiruvananthapuram from 4 to 3 daily (6E103/408 cancelled)
 
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Re: India Aviation Thread - February 2017

Mon Feb 20, 2017 1:46 pm

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I am sorry in advance, if I sound rude. Honestly, I don't mean to. I am trying to make my written language sweeter!

Guwahati - 2 million annual passengers.New terminal of 77,500 sqft to be ready by 2019. Btw, can you share some link whch says its clogged?

Pune - 6 million. IAF recently gave 16 acres of land surrounding the airport, for expansion.If villagers give their land, new Pune airport will be completed by 2019.

Patna -2 million. Cabinet cleared 11 acres land for expansion. A320 and B737 comfortably land and takeoff from 2000m long runway. A new terminal is planned to complete by 2020. Has many nonstop flights from Delhi and other destinations. (Not outbound to BOM or BLR however)

Rajkot - 2800 acres land given by Gujarat government. New airport construction to start soon.

Both Chennai and Kozhikode also have planned new airports and terminals, which will be completed by 2021.

Also, many many regional airports in India are under development or are simply unused. They will further free up the larger airports, in the region. See this: http://civilaviation.gov.in/sites/defau ... 2016_0.pdf there are 398 unused airstrips in India, out of which atleast 80 are being developed into airports.

We are a densely populated democracy and correspondingly you also have to face land acquisition and administrative delays. But, in all the future is bright!
 
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Re: India Aviation Thread - February 2017

Mon Feb 20, 2017 1:51 pm

zionite wrote:
What does Air India get from being a member of Star Alliance if Lufthansa bypasses them?

Tough situation, my take, it should just tie up with B6,AS and WN for US domestic feed.

zionite wrote:
What does Lufthansa get being with Jet Airways? Is it only for India-EU routes or India-EU-NA routes also like Delta?

Me thinks, this is LH's ploy to curtail Delta's growth plans for India. Delta should just buyout EY stake and put an end to this. EY badly need the money.
 
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Re: India Aviation Thread - February 2017

Mon Feb 20, 2017 2:54 pm

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Guwahati - 2 million annual passengers.New terminal of 77,500 sqft to be ready by 2019. Btw, can you share some link whch says its clogged?


No tender issued - by the time that happens - GAU will be clogged once more.

Pune - 6 million. IAF recently gave 16 acres of land surrounding the airport, for expansion.If villagers give their land, new Pune airport will be completed by 2019.


Ambitious, yet pace needs picking up. The new Pune International needs to be approved ASAP.

Patna -2 million. Cabinet cleared 11 acres land for expansion. A320 and B737 comfortably land and takeoff from 2000m long runway. A new terminal is planned to complete by 2020. Has many nonstop flights from Delhi and other destinations. (Not outbound to BOM or BLR however)


Cabinet had given permission to expand Bihta - is this plan for Patna as well..?

Rajkot - 2800 acres land given by Gujarat government. New airport construction to start soon.


This has been dead in the water for quite some time.

Both Chennai and Kozhikode also have planned new airports and terminals, which will be completed by 2021.


They're still in the planning phase - they haven't broken ground. Merely planning is not enough if India has to keep the momentum growing.

Meanwhile, AAI uses their standard piecemeal approach to airports that are literally bursting out of seams. This pace of airport capacity growth is substandard, no matter how one cuts it.

EDIT - www.financialexpress.com/opinion/indias ... es/323818/

Airlines in India have been busy adding capacity as the aviation market grew the fastest globally, at 20.3%, in 2015. IndiGo and Go Air have between them placed orders for 322 Airbus A320neo aircraft over the past few months. The problem, however, is airport capacity. According to a CAPA study, India’s Airport Capacity Crisis, 18 of the 30 larger non-metro airports have already exceeded capacity or will be saturated over the next two years. Capacity utilisation at the Jammu airport is 278%, 167% in Bagdogra, 127% in Kozhikode, 115% in Guwahati and 95% in Lucknow.

Mumbai, Ahmedabad, Chennai, Coimbatore and Srinagar too will join the list in 2018. Mumbai will get some respite in 2020, if the Navi Mumbai airport (25 million) is commissioned. A new airport is planned at Mopa (Goa) while a smaller one is coming up at Kannur (Kerala).
 
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Re: India Aviation Thread - February 2017

Mon Feb 20, 2017 3:44 pm

anshabhi wrote:
atal17 wrote:

Rajkot - 2800 acres land given by Gujarat government. New airport construction to start soon.


Couple of sites shown to AAI every couple of years. Nothing yet finalized about the proposed "International airport" on 2800 acres of land in the NE edge of the city.

https://www.google.co.in/maps/place/22%C2%B020'42.9%22N+70%C2%B050'03.2%22E/@22.3452619,70.8320463,760m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m5!3m4!1s0x0:0x0!8m2!3d22.34525!4d70.8342222

If Indian Railways & Indian Oil cooperate, the runway can be extended. This will probably cost not more than 20% of a new greenfield airport to Indian Government. Length might not be enough for an international widebody route but enough for a 320 / 737-800. Maybe even a 321 / 737-900.
 
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Re: India Aviation Thread - February 2017

Tue Feb 21, 2017 3:22 am

AIX left Kuala Lumpur, so no Indian carrier operating there why? will Singapore go too. its their only far east route now.
 
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Re: India Aviation Thread - February 2017

Tue Feb 21, 2017 3:42 am

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AIX left Kuala Lumpur, so no Indian carrier operating there why? will Singapore go too. its their only far east route now.


IX quoted it is one of their only loss-making routes in the entire operation. They've been looking to cut it for quite sometime now. Heavy competition from AK/MH may be the reason.

Singapore, OTOH, has increased from a single daily Chennai-Tiruchirappalli-Singapore operation to daily nonstops to Chennai & Tiruchirappalli as well as a 4 weekly service to Kolkata. Suffice to say, they're doing better than Kuala Lumpur.
 
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Re: India Aviation Thread - February 2017

Tue Feb 21, 2017 2:09 pm

AI puts 2 more Dreamliners for SLB at $125 million each

http://m.economictimes.com/industry/tra ... 269239.cms
 
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Re: India Aviation Thread - February 2017

Wed Feb 22, 2017 6:34 pm

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[*] Jet Airways resumes Mumbai-Madurai effective S17

9W is set to add another nonstop from Mumbai in order to cement its position in the city - this time to the temple town of Madurai. The route is currently served on a same plane service via Chennai once daily each by Spicejet (B73H) and Air India (A319).

This flight will be an extension of the current 9W336/357 Delhi-Mumbai-Delhi, thereby adding another 1-stop service on the Delhi-Madurai route which already sees SG via Chennai (B73H), and will see 6E via Chennai (A320) from next week.

This route is technically a resumption since 9W used to serve the route nonstop using their 734s in the year 2000 before axing the route sometime later.

9W336 DEL0800 - 1005BOM1045 - 1250IXM 73H D

9W357 IXM1330 - 1535BOM1630 - 1835DEL 73H D

[*] indiGo service reductions

From March 1, 6E reduces services on the following routes

* Chennai-Kochi from 5 to 3 daily (6E228/227 cancelled, 6E859/698 transferred to Madurai)
* Bengaluru-Thiruvananthapuram from 4 to 3 daily (6E103/408 cancelled)


Interesting time ahead for Madurai. And, good to see 9W increasing it's foothold at IXM and exploring other sectors like BLR-IXM-BLR and now DEL-BOM-IXM-BOM-DEL. SG was the 1st one to explore IXM besides the usual MAA-IXM sector, and 9W has started to do this. 6E is going to start services in week's time. Hoping to see many international flights out of IXM. :champagne:
Raja.
 
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Re: India Aviation Thread - February 2017

Thu Feb 23, 2017 5:21 am

CIAL is looking for more international routes.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city ... 260030.cms
British Airways with a 787-8 will be a success.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/busi ... 201954.cms
They should have started this before Thai Air Asia.


Another airline should consider COK is Cathay Dragon with an A321 with connection to Europe, US, and Australia.
 
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Re: India Aviation Thread - February 2017

Thu Feb 23, 2017 6:20 am

Image

Special livery : Tata Hexa promotional livery paint on SpiceJet | Boeing 737-800 | VT-SLL as spotted today morning at Trivandrum Int'l Airport, Kerala - VOTV /TRV
Spotted By : Sharon J Raj

https://facebook.com/planespottersindia ... 396689765/


It would be nice if both Mangalore & Cochin get more international flights. But, would they get them before Hyderabad?
And will Cochin get a Europe flight before Kolkata?
 
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Re: India Aviation Thread - February 2017

Thu Feb 23, 2017 6:52 am

nmraja wrote:
atal17 wrote:
[*] Jet Airways resumes Mumbai-Madurai effective S17

9W is set to add another nonstop from Mumbai in order to cement its position in the city - this time to the temple town of Madurai. The route is currently served on a same plane service via Chennai once daily each by Spicejet (B73H) and Air India (A319).

This flight will be an extension of the current 9W336/357 Delhi-Mumbai-Delhi, thereby adding another 1-stop service on the Delhi-Madurai route which already sees SG via Chennai (B73H), and will see 6E via Chennai (A320) from next week.

This route is technically a resumption since 9W used to serve the route nonstop using their 734s in the year 2000 before axing the route sometime later.

9W336 DEL0800 - 1005BOM1045 - 1250IXM 73H D

9W357 IXM1330 - 1535BOM1630 - 1835DEL 73H D

[*] indiGo service reductions

From March 1, 6E reduces services on the following routes

* Chennai-Kochi from 5 to 3 daily (6E228/227 cancelled, 6E859/698 transferred to Madurai)
* Bengaluru-Thiruvananthapuram from 4 to 3 daily (6E103/408 cancelled)


Interesting time ahead for Madurai. And, good to see 9W increasing it's foothold at IXM and exploring other sectors like BLR-IXM-BLR and now DEL-BOM-IXM-BOM-DEL. SG was the 1st one to explore IXM besides the usual MAA-IXM sector, and 9W has started to do this. 6E is going to start services in week's time. Hoping to see many international flights out of IXM. :champagne:


My hope is either SG or 6E consider Madurai-Singapore soon. SG was close to launching it once, wonder what happened there..

COKMCI wrote:
CIAL is looking for more international routes.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city ... 260030.cms
British Airways with a 787-8 will be a success.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/busi ... 201954.cms
They should have started this before Thai Air Asia.


Another airline should consider COK is Cathay Dragon with an A321 with connection to Europe, US, and Australia.


I think if BA would've had COK in their plans if it were possible to make money - but I think the lack of an economy-heavy configuration out of LHR like LH's Jump A343s would prove detrimental to the chances of a potential LHR-COK.

OTOH, the one airline I think CIAL should aggressively woo may be EW (EuroWings), WK (Edelweiss) or Condor (DE) - all 3 airlines are likely to stimulate the market with their low fares, therefore allowing their parent airlines to gauge potential on a possible EU-COK.

anshabhi wrote:
It would be nice if both Mangalore & Cochin get more international flights. But, would they get them before Hyderabad?


Could you rephrase that..? I don't understand what that means - I think I'm missing the context...
 
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Re: India Aviation Thread - February 2017

Thu Feb 23, 2017 9:30 am

atal17 wrote:


Could you rephrase that..? I don't understand what that means - I think I'm missing the context...


Oh leave it..

Jet Airways, HongKong Airlines ink codeshare agreement
As part of the reciprocal agreement, Jet Airways will place its marketing code “9W” on Hong Kong Airlines’ flights operating between Hong Kong and Okinawa and Tokyo in Japan; Denpasar in Indonesia; Hanoi in Vietnam; Bangkok in Thailand; and Auckland in New Zealand.
Hong Kong Airlines in turn, will place its marketing code “HX” on Jet Airways’ flights between Hong Kong and Mumbai as well as Delhi in India.


http://indiablooms.com/finance-details/ ... ement.html
 
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Re: India Aviation Thread - February 2017

Thu Feb 23, 2017 9:46 am

anshabhi wrote:
Jet Airways, HongKong Airlines ink codeshare agreement
As part of the reciprocal agreement, Jet Airways will place its marketing code “9W” on Hong Kong Airlines’ flights operating between Hong Kong and Okinawa and Tokyo in Japan; Denpasar in Indonesia; Hanoi in Vietnam; Bangkok in Thailand; and Auckland in New Zealand.
Hong Kong Airlines in turn, will place its marketing code “HX” on Jet Airways’ flights between Hong Kong and Mumbai as well as Delhi in India.


http://indiablooms.com/finance-details/ ... ement.html


Should do well, although Auckland-Delhi transfers don't seem enticing at all...

In other news - Ashwani Lohani, Air India's CMD announced in a video posted on AI's new German facebook page that AI is actively considering launching flights between Mumbai and Frankfurt

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_ ... 98848&_rdr
 
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Re: India Aviation Thread - February 2017

Thu Feb 23, 2017 11:07 am

I would love to see that happening! And the AI fan inside me hopes that AI will further extend it to LAX thus resuming BOM-FRA-LAX, which it terminated in 2011.

viewtopic.php?t=254979
 
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Re: India Aviation Thread - February 2017

Thu Feb 23, 2017 11:30 am

anshabhi wrote:
I would love to see that happening! And the AI fan inside me hopes that AI will further extend it to LAX thus resuming BOM-FRA-LAX, which it terminated in 2011.

viewtopic.php?t=254979


It wouldn't be completely out of line to see AI back in LAX. Although, I wish they'd take more 787-9s now.
 
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Re: India Aviation Thread - February 2017

Thu Feb 23, 2017 10:54 pm

atal17 wrote:

My hope is either SG or 6E consider Madurai-Singapore soon. SG was close to launching it once, wonder what happened there..

..


SG had the permits to fly IXM-SIN-IXM more than 2 years ago, but never used it. SG had some sort of focus on IXM when KM had a major stake in SG. Now, there's not much focus. However, there are rumours that 6E will soon start the IXM-SIN-IXM sector.
Raja.
 
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Re: India Aviation Thread - February 2017

Fri Feb 24, 2017 2:24 am

With Batch 79 of JFOs graduating @IndiGo6E has created over a thousand new airline pilots! 1016 to be precise #PowerToMakeAChange #BleedBlu

https://mobile.twitter.com/AdityaGhosh6 ... 1103347712
 
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Re: India Aviation Thread - February 2017

Fri Feb 24, 2017 3:20 am

zionite wrote:
VTORD wrote:
Meanwhile some snippets of news out of 9W.......

http://www.livemint.com/Companies/3asKv ... re-In.html


9W is partnering with Lufthansa - Star Alliance founding member.
9W is now a partner of Delta / Air France / KLM - Sky Team founding members.

What does Air India get from being a member of Star Alliance if Lufthansa bypasses them?

What does Lufthansa get being with Jet Airways? Is it only for India-EU routes or India-EU-NA routes also like Delta?

Will we see the same with Brussels Airlines also? SN & 9W has a good old Brussels relation.



Looks like UA does that as well- was looking at BOM-EWR on United and showed several one-stop connections through DEL on 9W with onward to EWR on UA. Not a single connection on AI, although Star alliance member. Strange.
 
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Re: India Aviation Thread - February 2017

Fri Feb 24, 2017 1:18 pm

Mosquitoes fly Patna-Kolkata on 6E and it offloads the passengers shooing them away.

http://m.timesofindia.com/city/kolkata/ ... 322807.cms
 
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Re: India Aviation Thread - February 2017

Fri Feb 24, 2017 11:25 pm

viewtopic.php?p=19377275#p19377275 - AI fined for Tarmac delays in the US
Incredible India!
 
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Re: India Aviation Thread - February 2017

Sat Feb 25, 2017 1:05 am

Air India to operate their new A320neo twice daily on Delhi-Chennai (AI439/430 & AI42/43)

The A320neo seats 12 Executive Class pax and 150 Economy Class pax.

Represents a capacity downgauge of atleast 40 seats per day.
 
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Re: India Aviation Thread - February 2017

Sat Feb 25, 2017 2:14 am

RTW00 wrote:
Looks like UA does that as well- was looking at BOM-EWR on United and showed several one-stop connections through DEL on 9W with onward to EWR on UA. Not a single connection on AI, although Star alliance member. Strange.

I have had UA book me through MCO-EWR-DEL-CCU with the DEL-CCU leg on the 9W 3am flight. There are lot of such connections available through the United web site.
 
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Re: India Aviation Thread - February 2017

Sat Feb 25, 2017 6:03 am

Norwegian planning India service, Delhi, Mumbai and Kolkata from Copenhagen.
 
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Re: India Aviation Thread - February 2017

Sat Feb 25, 2017 6:14 am

Lufthansa announced on their Lufthansa India page that Munich - Mumbai will be upgraded to the Airbus A350 :)
This will be the third route for the A350, after New Delhi and Boston.
 
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Re: India Aviation Thread - February 2017

Sat Feb 25, 2017 6:49 am

Air India Regional ATR-42 gets a new-old Alliance Air livery!

Image

https://facebook.com/planespottersindia ... 496479055/

@CollegeAviator that's a good news!
 
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Re: India Aviation Thread - February 2017

Sat Feb 25, 2017 10:16 am

anshabhi wrote:
Air India Regional ATR-42 gets a new-old Alliance Air livery!

Image

https://facebook.com/planespottersindia ... 7949647905


Seriously, couldn't they have gone full retro instead - I miss that livery so much...
 
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Re: India Aviation Thread - February 2017

Sun Feb 26, 2017 12:49 pm

[*]Spicejet S17 additions & cancellations

* Spicejet commences Dhaka effective 23MAR17

Spicejet today announced their first foray into Bangladesh, with daily flights from Kolkata to the capital Dhaka. Flights will be operated daily using Q400.

This route is extremely competitive with both Indian carriers such as Air India (daily A319), Jet Airways (daily B73H) and Bangladeshi carriers such as Biman (12 weekly Q400), Novoair (4 weekly AT7), Regent Airways (daily B73W) and US-Bangla Airlines (daily B73H) operating on this route.

Schedule -

between 23MAR & 25MAR

SG071 CCU0610 - 0730DAC DH4 D

SG072 DAC0815 - 0830CCU DH4 D

effective 26MAR

SG071 CCU0710 - 0835DAC DH4 D

SG072 DAC0920 - 0940CCU DH4 D

* Spicejet temporarily ceases Delhi-Thiruvananthapuram

Spicejet is reportedly ceasing services on Delhi-Thiruvananthapuram temporarily between 01MAR and 14APR, possibly due to runway works and paucity of aircraft. From 15APR, Spicejet will resume operations with slightly different timings.

SG971 DEL0745 - 1125TRV 73H D

SG972 TRV1220 - 1545DEL 73H D

Nonstop flights on Delhi-Thiruvananthapuram have grown from strength to strength since January 2016 when 6E commenced the first flights on this route. Now the route is currently served by Air India (daily A319 that continues onto Male), and Jet Airways (temporarily, as a result of some Kerala-Gulf reductions till 26MAR), along with indiGo and Spicejet's 1 daily on the route each. In addition, Air India, indiGo and Jet Airways continue to have permanent 1-stops via Mumbai, Bengaluru, Kochi, Chennai.

* Spicejet ceases Jodhpur.effective 25MAR.

Spicejet seems to be ending Jodhpur operations, according to their booking/schedule page, with the last flight to Jodhpur departing 25MAR. Spicejet had commenced 1x daily Delhi-Jodhpur using their B737-700s, before downgrading to Q400. It appears as though Spicejet was unable to make this work.

Both Jet and Air India currently serve the route with twice daily ATR72s and once daily A321 respectively

[*]Vistara commences nonstop Delhi-Port Blair

Effective 15APR, Vistara will commence weekends-only nonstop flights from Delhi to Port Blair, becoming the longest domestic flight in India with GoAir's Mumbai-Port Blair coming in at close second.

Delhi-Port Blair is currently served by 1-stop by all major Indian carriers including Vistara via Kolkata (with the exception of AI, which runs a twice weekly A320 via Visakhapatnam), running a total of 5+ flights per day.

UK771 DEL0440 - 0820IXZ 32A 67

UK772 IXZ0900 - 1245DEL 32A 67.
 
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Re: India Aviation Thread - February 2017

Sun Feb 26, 2017 2:46 pm

Surprisingly, there is only one daily Delhi-Dhaka flight. Total 11 weekly combined. Airlines should explore Delhi-Dhaka instead. 9W sells tickets for ₹25k+ for this 3 hour route.
Last edited by anshabhi on Sun Feb 26, 2017 3:14 pm, edited 1 time in total.
 
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Re: India Aviation Thread - February 2017

Sun Feb 26, 2017 2:53 pm

anshabhi wrote:
Surprisingly, there is only one daily Delhi-Dhaka flight. Total 11 combined. Airlines should explore Delhi-Dhaka instead. 9W sells tickets for ₹25k+ for this 3 hour route.


I wonder if 6E is considering Delhi-Dhaka given their plans to enter this city...
 
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Re: India Aviation Thread - February 2017

Sun Feb 26, 2017 3:22 pm

Did anyone report this? AirAsia is starting Bhubaneswar-Kuala Lampur, from 26th April. It will be BBI's first intl flight.

http://wap.business-standard.com/articl ... 947_1.html

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