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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread 2017

Fri Aug 11, 2017 8:55 pm

Any idea what the tail numbers will be on PRs upcoming two 777 deliveries?
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread 2017

Sat Aug 12, 2017 1:44 am

QANTAS747-438 wrote:
Any idea what the tail numbers will be on PRs upcoming two 777 deliveries?

There's no RP-C7770 or RP-C7771 yet. Not sure they would use both though.


For a couple of hopeful news..... :crossfingers: .....

http://www.philstar.com/business/2017/0 ... 3-hopeless

Quote:
"That visit to Clark and the news that BCDA’s Vince Dizon is all set to bid out construction of the airport very soon is good news. Vince PMed me to say that the “Terms of Reference” or “TOR”will be released this week. Interest has been expressed by 12 parties, all foreign and with experience in building airports.

More specifically, the pre-bid conference is set for Aug 22; opening of bids on Oct. 28 (two months to prepare proposals); award to be made on Nov. 28; groundbreaking on Dec. 19 and first quarter 2020 for turnover of the facility. Since it will be on a turn-key basis, there will be no money problems to delay execution."


http://www.philstar.com/business/2017/0 ... rk-new-ncr

A very optimistic timetable, I must say. :optimist: Though everybody would be very happy indeed if they pull it through. :veryhappy:


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Some form of protection from the alternating moisture and heat may be needed to prevent warping or delamination of the engineered timber arches. It seems delivery and installation of roofing materials are not up to speed. :scratchchin:
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread 2017

Sat Aug 12, 2017 2:14 am

Is there anything on the radar for direct Perth flights?

Huge philliphino population here the one via darwin was wrong aircraft and timings thats why it failed.
 
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Sat Aug 12, 2017 7:45 pm

http://philippine-aviation-forum.29460. ... i1200.html

Snooping through the net I found a thread that displayed the potential seats for PAL. I'm not sure if the Thompson vantage was on display to compete against the XL or if was there for another aircraft type in the fleet. But according to CAPA/PAL, they did state that the a321neo might feature a proper business class lie-flat (seeing the configuring examples it could easily fit the vantage in the single-aisle config)

Also those economy seats.. I have no idea what to think of them. Recaro thinks of some funky designs.

I'm hoping for a reverse herringbone of some sort for their A350, but I wouldn't be surprised if they used the same seat on the A330. does PAL have cabin mood lighting?

Also, from what I found in those threads and also CAPA, the upcoming 777 will be the same as the two most recent delivered in terms of configuring and interiors. We shouldn't expect to see a rehaul until after the A350 been delivered. According to them, PAL is experimenting with the newly refurbished a330 on the premium economy sectors and wants to see how well they respond to on the market before integrating them in the 77W. Which by the time PAL has its foreign investor, they can truly sit down and plan an appropriate business cabin and full rehaul of the 77W. They may also be looking to add a first class if they're trying to achieve 5-Star! I know Eva and hainan don't have a first class but are still 5-star..but PAL has compared itself to Garuda numerous times on how they should be able do what Garuda as done. Garuda HAS an amazing first class product that they will be flying to LAX...so I would say it's a good chance PAl might be developing a first class cabin. (Personal note: Garuda is literally one of the best airlines I've ever flown on! Their service was unexpectedly impeccable)
 
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Sat Aug 12, 2017 7:48 pm

Also, with 5J showing strong signs in mainland US, came expect them to produce their own premium economy/business seating? I feel they'd take a similar approach such as Air Asia X, Skymark, etc carriers in that category. I know they have their concept...but compared to their other long haul flights I think US mainland is way too long
 
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Sun Aug 13, 2017 12:14 am

Very nice video of MCIA Terminal 2's construction progress..... :bigthumbsup: .....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zD8f00r-KMU

Still photos on page 1021 of SkyscraperCity. :hyper:


Meanwhile, here is a preview of the new Panglao International Airport from the same source..... :eyepopping: .....


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Mon Aug 14, 2017 1:22 pm

So... AKL is going nonstop in December... but CNS is unfortunately getting the axe

http://www.rappler.com/business/178697- ... s-canceled

On one hand, I suppose it's a good thing that nonstop services are gonna be available. On the other hand, it's a bit sad that CNS will be dropped from the network as a result.

I guess with the arrival of two new 77Ws, the A340s need a place to go. However, an A330 could do the route as well. I guess all of the reconfigured A330s will be a bit busy by then.

The A340s are pretty good at hanging on.
 
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Mon Aug 14, 2017 2:54 pm

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I guess with the arrival of two new 77Ws, the A340s need a place to go. However, an A330 could do the route as well. I guess all of the reconfigured A330s will be a bit busy by then.

Maybe PR is trying to match capacity with demand. As it is, the A340 is already a huge increase in capacity and will retire soon --- from the report.....

Quote:
"PAL said it will use its twin-aisle dual class 254-seater A340s from its single-aisle 156-seater A320s for the direct flight, increasing capacity by 60%".


The reconfigured A330s will be good for the holidays though off peak season may be a bit OTT. PR's upcoming A321NEOs could be the right size but lack range.....

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http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=MNL-AKL&MS=wls&DU=nm


A321LR may have the legs but also has reduced capacity and PR doesn't have it on order. It's for routes like this that one wishes PR has a couple or so end-of-line A332s on hand. Or A338s on lease for that matter! :cheerful:
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread 2017

Thu Aug 17, 2017 1:23 am

Devilfish wrote:
LurveBus wrote:
I guess with the arrival of two new 77Ws, the A340s need a place to go. However, an A330 could do the route as well. I guess all of the reconfigured A330s will be a bit busy by then.

Maybe PR is trying to match capacity with demand. As it is, the A340 is already a huge increase in capacity and will retire soon --- from the report.....

Quote:
"PAL said it will use its twin-aisle dual class 254-seater A340s from its single-aisle 156-seater A320s for the direct flight, increasing capacity by 60%".


The reconfigured A330s will be good for the holidays though off peak season may be a bit OTT. PR's upcoming A321NEOs could be the right size but lack range.....

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http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=MNL-AKL&MS=wls&DU=nm


A321LR may have the legs but also has reduced capacity and PR doesn't have it on order. It's for routes like this that one wishes PR has a couple or so end-of-line A332s on hand. Or A338s on lease for that matter! :cheerful:


Officially, that may be true however, a few articles such as this CAPA article https://centreforaviation.com/news/pal-a321lr-will-allow-carrier-to-expand-regionally-on-routes-which-cannot-support-larger-aircraft-531293 seem to suggest that a few A321LR's have been converted and are lumped in with the A321neo order. Should be fun flying in a (true) tri-class A321LR!

edit*** Confirmation from Bautista himself http://australianaviation.com.au/2017/08/philippine-airlines-to-offer-manila-auckland-nonstop-flights-from-december/

“That will happen in 2018 when we take delivery of the A321neoLR, the one with additional centre tanks,” Philippine Airlines president and chief operating officer Jaime Bautista told Australian Aviation in an interview in late 2016.
 
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Thu Aug 17, 2017 4:22 am

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Officially, that may be true however, a few articles such as this CAPA article https://centreforaviation.com/news/pal-a321lr-will-allow-carrier-to-expand-regionally-on-routes-which-cannot-support-larger-aircraft-531293 seem to suggest that a few A321LR's have been converted and are lumped in with the A321neo order. Should be fun flying in a (true) tri-class A321LR!

edit*** Confirmation from Bautista himself http://australianaviation.com.au/2017/08/philippine-airlines-to-offer-manila-auckland-nonstop-flights-from-december/

That will happen in 2018 when we take delivery of the A321neoLR, the one with additional centre tanks,” Philippine Airlines president and chief operating officer Jaime Bautista told Australian Aviation in an interview in late 2016.

Both articles did not specifically say that PR would fly the A321LR nonstop from MNL to AKL...its president was referring to Brisbane in the above quote. Please note the sentence highlighting the A321LR's nominal range of 4,000 NM and the Great Circle distance shown in the link above. Whether the A321LR+ discussed in this thread
http://www.airliners.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=1370937&hilit=A321LR
could actually surpass the extra 327 NM in the real world without additional payload penalty is still up in the air. And it is not expected until 2019-2020.

Still, more real than the nebulous NMA which seems a perfect match for this route. How many airlines have these same requirements to launch the 797 is the $10B question though. :spin:
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Fri Aug 18, 2017 2:22 am

Turning our attention to 5J, CAPA has come out with this report saying the airline is deferring its plan of launching HNL and NA services, as well as selection of a new widebody type to use on those routes...(membership needed for the full analysis).....

http://centreforaviation.com/insights/a ... hts-362405

Quote:
"Cebu Pacific Air has shelved the evaluation of new generation widebody aircraft and the potential launch of nonstop services to North America. Competition in the Philippines-North America market has intensified over the past year, prompting the Philippine LCC to rethink its widebody fleet strategy.

Irrational competition in the Philippines-Middle East market has also prompted Cebu Pacific to drop three of its four Middle East routes. The airline is now primarily using its fleet of eight A330s on short haul routes and will stick with the current widebody strategy, focusing on routes within East Asia of up to four hours, until long haul market conditions improve.

The Philippine LCC still aims eventually to serve the North America market, which would require new widebody aircraft such as the A350 or 787. However, the move into North America and a new widebody type is no longer under consideration for the short term."


A different tack from their expansion plans domestically and around the region.


Meanwhile, AirJuan is keen on doubling its fleet.....

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"MANILA, Philippines - Air Juan Aviation Inc. is planning to acquire additional aircraft in the next five years as it aims to double capacity and grow the business.

Air Juan marketing head Paolo Misa said in a briefing yesterday the company is looking to invest in additional aircraft as it wants to double capacity in the next five years.

Air Juan president John Anthony Gutierrez said the plan to increase the fleet would depend on the demand and reception of the service.

At present, the company has a fleet of 11 aircraft composed of seaplanes, land planes and helicopters.

It provides services to destinations such as Busuanga or Coron, Mamburao, Subic, Puerto Galera, Marinduque, Balesin, Boracay, San Vicente, Puerto Princesa, Cuyo, Iloilo, Sipalay, Bantayan, Tagbilaran, Siquijor, Maasin, Biliran, Manila and Cebu."


We wish them well. :wave:


JetStar Asia to fly from SIN to CRK....

http://www.philstar.com/business/2017/0 ... pore-clark

Quote:
"MANILA, Philippines - Singapore-based low-cost carrier Jetstar Asia is set to begin flights to Singapore from Clark in November.

In a statement, Jetstar Asia said it would start the Clark to Singapore service on Nov.28.

Jetstar Asia chief executive officer Bara Pasupathi said the Clark to Singapore service would be its first service from Clark, which is being positioned by the government as the complementary gateway to the Ninoy Aquino International Airport (NAIA).

“Low fares travel in the Philippines is booming, and these additional services give another option for direct services to Singapore, Southeast Asia and beyond,” Pasupathi said.

Clark International Airport Corp. president and chief executive officer Alexander Cauguiran said the new service is a welcome development as the government is promoting the Clark Airport given congestion at the NAIA."



And here's a purported Philippine carrier I'm not aware of.....



Probably Korean funded. :scratchchin:
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread 2017

Sat Aug 19, 2017 10:25 am

waoz1 wrote:
Is there anything on the radar for direct Perth flights?

We shall see if PR would reconsider PER should there be sustainable demand already when their A321LRs are delivered...based on the linked report in #109 above.


More photos of CEB Terminal 2 from SkyscraperCity.....

Departure Hall Main Entrance
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Skylight Effect Inside
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Fire Protection Lines' Installation
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Cebu City should have more, modern fire engines and well-trained firefighters and emergency response teams, in addition to those of the airport -- to deal with any contingency when the terminal opens. :old:

New Aircraft Parking Apron
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Coming along nicely! :thumbsup: Hopefully, PR could resume direct LAX-CEB flights with their A359 when T2 opens next year. :crossfingers:


In the meantime.....

It's Scoot for Tigerair 8/16/2017.....
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Mon Aug 21, 2017 4:59 pm

CAPA has a new, lengthy report on PAL.....

http://centreforaviation.com/insights/a ... ade-363227

Quote:
"Philippine Airlines (PAL) is embarking on a new phase of long haul expansion as the airline takes delivery of eight long haul aircraft over the next two years. PAL will use the expanded long haul fleet to increase its capacity to London significantly later this year, while capacity to North America will likely increase by approximately 50% in 2018-2019.

The Manila-London route has been allocated two additional 777-300ERs, which are being delivered in late 2017. PAL launched London in late 2013 with 777-300ERs, but in the past three years has been serving the London market with smaller A340-300s.



PAL also plans to take delivery of four A350-900s in 2018, and two more A350s in 1H2019. Most of the 10 widebody aircraft being added over the next two years are for growth, although in 2019 PAL intends to phase out its A340 fleet, which is now used on a mix of long haul and mainly short/medium haul routes.

PAL was initially considering a transition of the London route to the A350. However, it was eager to move the A340 off London, a flagship route, as soon as possible, because of the product and reliability issues with the older A340 fleet.

Waiting for the A350 to improve the product on London would have taken at least a year, given delivery delays with PAL’s initial batch of A350s and PAL’s preference to use the initial two A350s to upgrade New York to nonstop. The new 777 lease deal enabled PAL to bring forward the upgrade of London by at least one year.

[.....]

The latest PAL network plan does not envisage using the A350 for London, or anywhere in Europe. PAL’s network plan is now focused entirely on using the A350 to expand in the North American market, which CAPA will explore in the next part of this report."



I wonder what the reason was for PR's A359 delivery delays :?: :scratchchin:



Two more layout connection images of CEB T2 Departure Level from SkyscraperCity.....

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A few more construction update photos on page 1025.
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Thu Aug 24, 2017 1:46 am

Oooh, new thread. :3

By the way, something that hasn't be announced here yet: PR now has TAG-ICN service!

http://www.boholchronicle.com.ph/2017/0 ... uth-korea/

The Seoul – Tagbilaran – Seoul Philippine Airlines (PAL) daily flights got off the ground on Thursday, June 22, 2017 with the inaugural leg taking off at the Tagbilaran City Airport at 5:20 PM with six Bohol-based travel agents making history as they boarded a PAL Airbus 320 for the four hours and 39 minutes flight time to Incheon International Airport in Seoul, South Korea.

The return trip on June 23, 2017 took off at Incheon International Airport at 2:30 AM with a full capacity flight of 150 Koreans perked up by the “Behold Bohol” destination branding campaign of the Province of Bohol.

The arrival of PAL Flight PR 1483 at the Tagbilaran City Airport from Seoul at 6:30 AM heralded the entry of Bohol in the international air routes months ahead of the opening of the PhP7.8 billion New Bohol Airport heading into completion in March, 2018.
 
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Thu Aug 24, 2017 10:33 pm

Apparently, plenty of firms are interested in the CRK Terminal 2 project.....

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http://www.rappler.com/business/179753- ... al-bidding

Quote:
"MANILA, Philippines – The group of Megawide Construction Corporation, two Chinese companies once banned by the World Bank, and R-II Builders Incorporated are among those setting sights on the P12.55-billion deal to construct a new passenger terminal building at the Clark International Airport in Pampanga.

As of Tuesday, August 22, the Bases Conversion and Development Authority (BCDA) said in a statement that the following firms have bought bid documents for the engineering, procurement, and construction (EPC) contract of the new passenger terminal building:

joint venture of First Balfour Incorporated and Datem Incorporated
consortium of Megawide and Bangalore-based airport operator GMR Infrastructure Limited
Tokwing Construction Corporation
Qingjian Group Company Limited
R-II Builders
China Harbour Engineering Company Limited
China State Construction Engineering Corporation

The group of Megawide and GMR is the concessionaire for the Mactan-Cebu International Airport public-private partnership (PPP) deal. It has a P208-billion, 50-year unsolicited proposal for a more comprehensive expansion of that airport."



http://www.philstar.com/business/2017/0 ... t-terminal

Quote:
"MANILA, Philippines - Over 40 local and foreign companies have expressed interest in bidding for the construction of a new terminal building for the expansion of the Clark International Airport, a project two decades in the making, the Bases Conversion and Development Authority (BCDA) said yesterday.

BCDA is kicking off the multi-phase Clark International Airport expansion with a new passenger terminal building capable of handling eight million passengers a year, expanding the airport’s capacity to 12 million from the existing 4.2 million passengers per year.

The P12.55-billion project attracted 43 local and international prospective bidders, seven of which have already bought bid documents.

Three of the seven prospective bidders that purchased bid documents are Chinese firms. They are Qingjian Group Co. Ltd., China Harbour Engineering Co. Ltd. and China State Construction Engineering Corp.

The four other firms which bought the bid documents are Tokwing Construction Corp., R-II Builders Inc., First Balfour Inc. and Datem joint venture and a Megawide-GMR joint venture."



http://business.inquirer.net/235616/cla ... es-7-firms

Quote:
"Seven companies, including three Chinese firms, are expected to vie for the construction of the new terminal building at the Clark International Airport, possibly the first hybrid project under the Duterte administration.

The Bases Conversion and Development Authority (BCDA) started yesterday the bidding process for the engineering, procurement and construction (EPC) contract for the new terminal building, giving the seven prospective investors who attended the prebidding conference yesterday until late October to purchase and submit their bid documents.

Although there were more than 30 firms that attended yesterday’s pre-bidding conference, there were so far only seven local and foreign companies that bought the bid documents."



CRK is about ~49 nm from MNL as the crow flies...so roughly the same distance from downtown LA to LAX....but with much less developed road and rail transportation.....

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http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=MNL-CRK&MS=wls&DU=nm

However, vehicular traffic projection between MNL and CRK is also orders of magnitude less, given the huge disparity in aircraft movements at LAX and MNL. Additionally, some distance is required to allow either CRK or MNL to serve as a good alternate when one cannot be used due to weather or other contingencies.

Can't wait to see what upgrades the Government has in store for MNL. :spin:


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By the way, something that hasn't be announced here yet: PR now has TAG-ICN service!

Please see reply #38..... :smile:

As for new air service.....

http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/924789/chi ... ai-flights
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Fri Aug 25, 2017 1:52 am

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roughly the same distance

I meant to say "more than double the distance".....my bad. :footinmouth:

Anyway, I just found these on the web.....

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Not sure how serious the authorities are with the above...but it's a start and something they can move forward from. :point:


5J's latest widebody - at least for a while.....



.....staying close to home for the time being.....(from SkyscraperCity).....

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Fri Aug 25, 2017 2:21 am

That is just the weirdest layout and lack of efficiency without a singular terminal design... why Philippines... why must you follow in the footsteps of NAIA. You have so much space! You could create a world-class airport like ICN or even the new Beijing Airport and Mexico City!

Im hoping this is just the 'side' airport and MNL gets a true world class overhaul like the proposed SMC concept.
 
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Sat Aug 26, 2017 4:55 pm

Airport envy is alive and well. Just like this image accompanying an article about the new Bicol International Airport - without considering potential consequences - such as being a white elephant...:eyepopping:

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http://www.businessmirror.com.ph/govern ... s-in-2018/


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Sat Aug 26, 2017 5:18 pm

Devilfish wrote:
Airport envy is alive and well. Just like this image accompanying an article about the new Bicol International Airport - without considering potential consequences - such as being a white elephant...:eyepopping:

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http://www.businessmirror.com.ph/govern ... s-in-2018/


CGI has made it infinitely easier to visualize one's flights of fancy :!: :spin:




Holy crap! Now that's an airport Philippines deserves! I hope the design that'll go into Clark and The new NAIA can at least reach this level
 
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Tue Aug 29, 2017 7:43 pm

Regarding MNL-AKL going nonstop, very interesting that the aircraft will be on the ground at AKL for 10 hours. My guess is that they will be targeting connecting passengers from/to LHR, as the schedule allows this. They have started to rely on LHR-pax on their SYD-flights aswell, so it wouldn't surprise me if that's what they're trying to do here too.

Akiestar wrote:
Oooh, new thread. :3

By the way, something that hasn't be announced here yet: PR now has TAG-ICN service!

As mentioned, I brought this up in April. Indeed a very interesting development and nice too see PR getting more of the Korean tourist-cake...

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Tue Aug 29, 2017 7:58 pm

cityairline wrote:
Regarding MNL-AKL going nonstop, very interesting that the aircraft will be on the ground at AKL for 10 hours. My guess is that they will be targeting connecting passengers from/to LHR, as the schedule allows this. They have started to rely on LHR-pax on their SYD-flights aswell, so it wouldn't surprise me if that's what they're trying to do here too.



/Alex


It also helps that the a340s won't have many places to fly to once the 77Ws arrive, and with congestion at Mnl being what it is, perhaps sitting for 10 hours in akl might be just as good as sitting for 10 hours in mnl
 
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Wed Aug 30, 2017 3:50 pm

Now, here's Part 3 of CAPA's analysis of PR's NA expansion...following up on Part 2 discussed in another thread.....

http://centreforaviation.com/insights/a ... ork-363465

Quote:
"Philippine Airlines is planning to resume services from Cebu to Los Angeles and launch at least one new US destination by the end of 2019 as part of an ambitious expansion plan for the North American market. PAL’s trans-Pacific capacity, which has already increased by nearly 30% over the past year, should expand by approximately another 50% as Manila to New York and Toronto are upgraded to nonstop, Cebu-Los Angeles is resumed, and Chicago, Houston or Seattle is launched.

A new fleet of six A350-900s will drive the growth and be used on all the new US routes. The A350 enables PAL to improve its business class seat and introduce premium economy on long haul routes.

However, PAL will need to commit to 777 retrofits to provide a consistent product and improve its position in the increasingly competitive Southeast Asia-North America market. PAL also needs to secure a US airline partner if it is to succeed at expanding in a market already suffering from overcapacity."


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http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=CEB-LAX,+M ... /ORD&DU=nm


I'm expecting SEA to require feed from whichever airline PR has a code-share agreement with. I guess IAH and ORD could take over the YVR tag-ons which would be dropped once JFK and YYZ go nonstop.
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Wed Aug 30, 2017 5:45 pm

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It also helps that the a340s won't have many places to fly to once the 77Ws arrive, and with congestion at Mnl being what it is, perhaps sitting for 10 hours in akl might be just as good as sitting for 10 hours in mnl

A ray of hope for the critically needed NAIA Terminal 2 expansion..... :optimist:

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"(Updated 5:54 p.m., Aug. 30) Flag carrier Philippine Airlines (PAL) has revived a 2015 offer to expand its main hub at the Manila’s Ninoy Aquino International Airport given the increasing passenger congestion and lack of facilities to house its growing fleet.

PAL president Jaime Bautista said on Wednesday that the airline is preparing a new proposal to the Department of Transportation for the construction of a P20-billion passenger terminal beside the NAIA Terminal 2, where PAL has been operating exclusively since 1999.

Bautista said a similar proposal was made in 2015, although no action was taken by the previous administration. He said PAL was prepared to spend for the project, although it could also take on partners.

He noted that NAIA, which has four terminals with a combined design capacity of about 30 million passengers annually, currently serves about 42 million passengers per year."



It's high time that all interested parties set aside their vested interests for the common good, to make this much delayed upgrade a reality! :hissyfit:

But the url on the images above say Clark. I wonder if Foster+Partners presented their own concept for NAIA's redevelopment when they went there the previous year? :scratchchin:
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Wed Aug 30, 2017 5:54 pm

Wow! That sounds great
 
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Sat Sep 02, 2017 1:54 pm

Yahnih wrote:
Wow! That sounds great

Not really..... :x

http://www.businessmirror.com.ph/pals-p ... ace-delay/

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"'Any offer of partnership to improve Terminal 2 is a welcome move,' Miaa General Manager Ed Monreal said.

'We are happy that Philippine Airlines’s offer is aligned to the government’s own plan to improve the terminal. While this option can be explored, progress of any discussion in this regard is remote at this time because the area being considered is subject of a long-standing legal case.'

Monreal said the property—formerly occupied by Nayong Pilipino and the now-defunct Philippine Village Hotel—is owned by the Philippine Amusement and Gaming Corp. (Pagcor)."



So much for the vaunted "coercive powers" of the State when it could not even prevail upon a government owned and controlled corporation to act in favor of the wider public instead of the gaming interests. Apparently, the assets are set to be disposed of.....

http://business.inquirer.net/229056/gov ... or-casinos


A follow on Inquirer report indicated that it would be 2019 at least before the cases are resolved. That gives it three years for the current administration to deliver the Annex and other talked-up NAIA upgrades. :spin:
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Mon Sep 04, 2017 6:22 pm

PAL's president confirms the need for the terminal addition in view of its fleet and network expansion plans.....

http://business.inquirer.net/236250/eag ... -new-fleet

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"The goal, a third higher than the 15 million passengers PAL is targeting to serve this year, comes amid expectation that the government will take bigger steps to ease terminal and runway congestion in Manila’s Ninoy Aquino International Airport, PAL’s main hub.

PAL’s expansion plans will be supported by the acquisition of brand new planes that will help the airline fly to more areas in Australia, India, Japan and the United States.

PAL president Jaime Bautista said PAL would grow its fleet to 96 planes by 2021 from its current 87 aircraft today. During this period, about 18 older and less-efficient planes would be phased out, he said.

New planes coming in include the Airbus A321 NEO, which PAL would start using in 2018. Bautista said a longer-range version of the A321 NEO would allow PAL to launch nonstop services to Brisbane and Perth in Australia, Delhi and Mumbai in India and Sapporo in Japan.

PAL also planned to increase flights to Melbourne in Australia, Bautista said.

Next generation Airbus A350s would also be delivered to PAL in 2018. Bautista said the aircraft would 'help us link the Philippines nonstop to New York, Chicago, Seattle and far-flung points in Europe and North America.'"



The above are predicated on developers and speculators giving PAL first dibs on the Philippine Village Hotel and the Nayong Pilipino areas at NAIA if the Government would not do the expansion themselves. :old:
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Tue Sep 05, 2017 2:31 am

Encouraging news to help alleviate the congestion at Manila's Ninoy Aquino Airport.

Philippines AirAsia's CEO stated in a recent interview the LCC is planning to make Clark a primary base in the Philippines. The airline currently flies from Clark to Davao and Kalibo. Once it gets the Airbus A320s at the base, the company's CEO stated flights to KUL, HKG, and SIN are eyed.

Philippines Air Asia to reopen Clark Airport Hub
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Thu Sep 07, 2017 7:50 pm

MCIA construction update photos from SkyscraperCity..... :thumbsup:

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It doesn't look like CEB will have provisions for hydrant refueling :?:
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I wonder where they would locate the replacement for this VIP dining facility :confused:
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Apparently, they're also planning to add 4 more jet bridges for T1's upgrade.....

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That'll be a very welcome development given the increasing number of domestic and regional flights at CEB. :cheerful:

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Meanwhile...PAL is posed for an equity restructuring.....

http://business.inquirer.net/236384/pal ... tructuring

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"Philippine Airlines Inc. (PAL) is moving forward with an equity restructuring scheme that would allow the flag carrier to wipe out an old deficit and clear the way for the entry of an investor group.

PAL Holdings said in a filing at the Philippine Stock Exchange that its subsidiary PAL had sought the approval of the Securities and Exchange Commission to reduce its authorized capital by a third to P13 billion.

PAL sought to reduce the par value of its shares from P0.20 each to P0.13. Once approved, PAL would file for a subsequent increase in its par value to P1 a share.

'The reduction is part of PAL’s quasi-reorganization which, once effected, will eliminate the deficit, which accumulated due to the company’s losses prior to its recent three-year period of profitability,' PAL noted in its filing.

More importantly, the flag carrier said the move would allow PAL to 'declare dividends and attract more investors'."




PAL is also looking for ways to clear the NAIA T2 impasse with PAGCOR.....

http://www.philstar.com/business/2017/0 ... nal-pagcor
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Sun Sep 10, 2017 7:19 am

CEB T2 looking magnificent in the morning light - even unfinished...(from SkyscraperCity).....

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But this structure really is an incongruous photobomber.....
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They have paved the area around it...is the pavement temporary or does that mean the facility will stay? A few of the airport's habitues.....

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To lure more business, 5J now offers this enticement.....

http://www.philstar.com/business/2017/0 ... anila-guam


As a bit more detail about the NAIA "arrangement" comes out.....

http://business.inquirer.net/236443/new ... pagcor-row
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread 2017

Wed Sep 13, 2017 6:06 pm

Now when PAL (and to some extent through CAPA) has started to reveal some of their expansion plans for the nearest future, I have been thinking what their utilization of the ten 77Ws will look like, once nonstops are introduced on YYZ (77W) and JFK (A359).

My guess would be something like this:

*Double daily LAX can be done easily with three aircraft thanks to their schedules.
*Daily SFO and LHR can also be done easily with three aircraft thanks to their schedules.

That's six 77Ws operating four daily flights, but how about the remaining four frames?

*Two aircraft to support daily MNL-YVR-XXX (ORD/IAH 4 and 3 weekly each).
*The last two aircraft to support 4 weekly MNL-YYZ (and maybe 1-2 weekly re-introduced terminator YVR service).

What do you guys think about this?
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Thu Sep 14, 2017 2:57 am

cityairline wrote:
My guess would be something like this:

*Double daily LAX can be done easily with three aircraft thanks to their schedules.
*Daily SFO and LHR can also be done easily with three aircraft thanks to their schedules.

That's six 77Ws operating four daily flights

Without knowing the demand and actual load factors on the routes, guesswork would really be our only recourse. That said, I thought SFO was also going double daily? I think LHR will go with A359s eventually.

cityairline wrote:
That's six 77Ws operating four daily flights, but how about the remaining four frames?

*Two aircraft to support daily MNL-YVR-XXX (ORD/IAH 4 and 3 weekly each).
*The last two aircraft to support 4 weekly MNL-YYZ (and maybe 1-2 weekly re-introduced terminator YVR service).

As above, I believe the YYZ nonstop will be replaced by the A359 once all those are delivered. I imagine ORD and IAH would be A359s as well. The YVR terminator can remain 77W. PR could then cycle both models around as traffic warrants.


Now, for a real delivery.....

http://www.philippineairlines.com/en/ab ... r-delivery

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"Philippine Airlines' second bi-class next generation Bombardier Q400 touched down in Manila recently after traveling approximately 11,400 nautical miles from Toronto to Manila with nine stop-overs.

The newest member of the PAL family brings to 83 the total number of planes on the airline's fleet.

The 86-seater plane, to be utilized for select intra-domestic routes, departed from Toronto and made technical stops in Newfoundland (Canada), Lebourget (France), Malta, Egypt, the United Arab Emirates, Pakistan, India, Bangladesh and Thailand before landing in Manila."


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I suppose the 82-seater wasn't on offer yet or PAL did not opt for it..... :indifferent:

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Thu Sep 14, 2017 6:31 am

When do the two upcoming 777s begin construction?
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Thu Sep 14, 2017 5:09 pm

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When do the two upcoming 777s begin construction?

Both are to be leased so in all likelihood are already built and just undergoing cabin outfitting, since delivery of the first will be this December.


Meanwhile, this could be the reason for the Government's inaction on PAL's proposed T2 expansion at NAIA.....

http://business.inquirer.net/224608/dot ... an-airport

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"MANILA — Conglomerate San Miguel Corp.’s new international 'aerotropolis' in Bulacan province would cost about P700 billion to build and can be completed within six years.

Those were some of the details revealed on Wednesday by Department of Transportation (DOTr) Undersecretary Roberto Lim, whose office has been reviewing SMC’s unsolicited proposal to build a new international gateway that will eventually replace Manila’s Ninoy Aquino International Airport.

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As part of the proposal, SMC will build an expressway that would link its airport to the North Luzon Expressway (Marilao). That would bring travel time to SM City North EDSA in Quezon City to about 60 minutes, according to details shared by DOTr. The expressway will likewise have a link to the SMC-backed Metro Rail Transit Line- 7 in San Jose Del Monte, Bulacan.


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The location of the proposed P700-billion Bulacan airport by the San Miguel Corporation.

A connection to the southern part of Metro Manila, via the 'new shoreline expressway,' would cut travel time between the Bulacan airport and the Entertainment City complex to 30 minutes."


Very curious that SMC's new proposal does not show the "grandiose" terminal scheme in their previous one. Might they now bilk the Government for every terminal addition as demand capacity increases :?: Nevertheless, a downtown airport will always be needed, so the authorities better expedite the NAIA T2 Annex. The people did not suffer three years for the NAIA Expressway to be constructed only to have speculators and developers reap the benefits of its completion. :irked:

Ideally with their money, they could buyout the properties in the triangle bounded by NAIA Rd and Ninoy Aquino Av in front of the terminals, from their owners and develop that into something like this... :eyepopping: ...

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Thu Sep 14, 2017 5:45 pm

Devilfish wrote:
QANTAS747-438 wrote:
When do the two upcoming 777s begin construction?

Both are to be leased so in all likelihood are already built and just undergoing cabin outfitting, since delivery of the first will be this December.


Meanwhile, this could be the reason for the Government's inaction on PAL's proposed T2 expansion at NAIA.....

http://business.inquirer.net/224608/dot ... an-airport

Quote:
"MANILA — Conglomerate San Miguel Corp.’s new international 'aerotropolis' in Bulacan province would cost about P700 billion to build and can be completed within six years.

Those were some of the details revealed on Wednesday by Department of Transportation (DOTr) Undersecretary Roberto Lim, whose office has been reviewing SMC’s unsolicited proposal to build a new international gateway that will eventually replace Manila’s Ninoy Aquino International Airport.

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As part of the proposal, SMC will build an expressway that would link its airport to the North Luzon Expressway (Marilao). That would bring travel time to SM City North EDSA in Quezon City to about 60 minutes, according to details shared by DOTr. The expressway will likewise have a link to the SMC-backed Metro Rail Transit Line- 7 in San Jose Del Monte, Bulacan.


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The location of the proposed P700-billion Bulacan airport by the San Miguel Corporation.

A connection to the southern part of Metro Manila, via the 'new shoreline expressway,' would cut travel time between the Bulacan airport and the Entertainment City complex to 30 minutes."


Very curious that SMC's new proposal does not show the "grandiose" terminal scheme in their previous one. Might they now bilk the Government for every terminal addition as demand capacity increases :?: Nevertheless, a downtown airport will always be needed, so the authorities better expedite the NAIA T2 Annex. The people did not suffer three years for the NAIA Expressway to be constructed only to have speculators and developers reap the benefits of its completion. :irked:

Ideally with their money, they could buyout the properties in the triangle bounded by NAIA Rd and Ninoy Aquino Av in front of the terminals, from their owners and develop that into something like this... :eyepopping: ...

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QANTAS747-438 wrote:
When do the two upcoming 777s begin construction?


They are factory new with the first one sheduled to enter final assembly next month LN 1534 cn 61733 reg RP-C7781 the second one will follow shortly afterwards
 
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Thu Sep 14, 2017 6:36 pm

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They are factory new with the first one sheduled to enter final assembly next month LN 1534 cn 61733 reg RP-C7781 the second one will follow shortly afterwards

Oh...I thought Intrepid Aviation had both and merely waiting for customer specific requirements, my bad. Just the same, it's cutting it quite close with all the tests, engine runs, cabin outfitting, FF/CAF and exterior painting still to happen -- even if everything is just routine for Boeing. Incidentally, the registration would fit right smack were it to be PR's first 778X :!: :bigthumbsup:
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Thu Sep 14, 2017 6:46 pm

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"(Updated 5:54 p.m., Aug. 30) Flag carrier Philippine Airlines (PAL) has revived a 2015 offer to expand its main hub at the Manila’s Ninoy Aquino International Airport given the increasing passenger congestion and lack of facilities to house its growing fleet.

PAL president Jaime Bautista said on Wednesday that the airline is preparing a new proposal to the Department of Transportation for the construction of a P20-billion passenger terminal beside the NAIA Terminal 2, where PAL has been operating exclusively since 1999...He noted that NAIA, which has four terminals with a combined design capacity of about 30 million passengers annually, currently serves about 42 million passengers per year."


It's high time that all interested parties set aside their vested interests for the common good, to make this much delayed upgrade a reality!:
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How about relocating Villamor Air Base somewhere in Metro Manila, Sangley Point or even Clark. It occupies a large footprint for such a small Air Force. The base (administrative buildings and barracks) might even fit across the runway along Moonwalk Access Rd.
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Thu Sep 14, 2017 7:38 pm

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How about relocating Villamor Air Base somewhere in Metro Manila, Sangley Point or even Clark. It occupies a large footprint for such a small Air Force. The base (administrative buildings and barracks) might even fit across the runway along Moonwalk Access Rd.

Good luck convincing the top brass to let go of their centrally located housing and golf course. Besides, somebody would need to pay for that move. The Moonwalk Access Rd area is already earmarked for the C-5 extension to Cavitex. So there's really no space for a new parallel runway even if MIAA wanted one. But the communities in front of the terminals could really benefit through redevelopment. The speculators just have to meet the owners' price. If the proposed area above is too big, they could set back the scope from Ninoy Aquino Av to Vitalez Compound/Baltao Road.
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Thu Sep 14, 2017 9:44 pm

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Good luck convincing the top brass to let go of their centrally located housing and golf course. Besides, somebody would need to pay for that move. The Moonwalk Access Rd area is already earmarked for the C-5 extension to Cavitex. So there's really no space for a new parallel runway even if MIAA wanted one. But the communities in front of the terminals could really benefit through redevelopment. The speculators just have to meet the owners' price. If the proposed area above is too big, they could set back the scope from Ninoy Aquino Av to Vitalez Compound/Baltao Road.


You're right about the top brass, perhaps they can be persuaded to use alternative housing---free condos in nearby BGC. ;) As for the golf course, it stays since its location is across Sales Rd. with no direct access to the airport. The Villamor AIr Base area would be perfect to expand MRO and cargo at NAIA.

Bgy. Merville is a hodgepodge of housing; from Mansions, to modest family homes, to informal settlers living in close proximity to each other. I know an executive from SMC lives there.
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Fri Sep 15, 2017 1:56 am

Devilfish wrote:
boefan wrote:
They are factory new with the first one sheduled to enter final assembly next month LN 1534 cn 61733 reg RP-C7781 the second one will follow shortly afterwards

Oh...I thought Intrepid Aviation had both and merely waiting for customer specific requirements, my bad. Just the same, it's cutting it quite close with all the tests, engine runs, cabin outfitting, FF/CAF and exterior painting still to happen -- even if everything is just routine for Boeing. Incidentally, the registration would fit right smack were it to be PR's first 778X :!: :bigthumbsup:

Slightly peeved that they seem to be skipping RP-C7770, RP-C7771, and even RP-C7780.
 
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Fri Sep 15, 2017 2:20 am

carlokiii wrote:
Devilfish wrote:
boefan wrote:
They are factory new with the first one sheduled to enter final assembly next month LN 1534 cn 61733 reg RP-C7781 the second one will follow shortly afterwards

Oh...I thought Intrepid Aviation had both and merely waiting for customer specific requirements, my bad. Just the same, it's cutting it quite close with all the tests, engine runs, cabin outfitting, FF/CAF and exterior painting still to happen -- even if everything is just routine for Boeing. Incidentally, the registration would fit right smack were it to be PR's first 778X :!: :bigthumbsup:

Slightly peeved that they seem to be skipping RP-C7770, RP-C7771, and even RP-C7780.


those regs have already been taken up...
 
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Fri Sep 15, 2017 6:37 pm

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You're right about the top brass, perhaps they can be persuaded to use alternative housing---free condos in nearby BGC. ;)

That could do the trick...but remember, others are moving up the ranks fast and BGC might quickly run out of condo units. :biggrin:

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The Villamor AIr Base area would be perfect to expand MRO and cargo at NAIA.

I believe the Government is trying to move heavy MRO and cargo activities to establish an industrial support base for its Clark 'green' city project and decongest MNL at the same time. In any case, there will be ample space for line maintenance and 'regular' freight at NAIA once GenAv is transferred to Sangley.

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Bgy. Merville is a hodgepodge of housing; from Mansions, to modest family homes, to informal settlers living in close proximity to each other.

At least it was a 'planned' community, apart from the 'appendage' jutting into the airfield. The areas fronting the terminals are remnants of the war which grew into the haphazard mix it is today.

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those regs have already been taken up...

Tried many times to find photo evidence of that but failed...be it jet, turboprop, piston or helo. Please post a link if you have. I think the RP-C777x registration block was reserved for the T7s. IINM, they skipped -C7771 due to -771. :scared: I don't know why. :confused:


Plenty of aviation related news today.....

http://philippineairspace.blogspot.com/

http://www.philstar.com/business/2017/0 ... -air-talks


Is Emirates just angling for an excuse to fly their Whalejet through MNL citing lack of capacity to/from the ME when every other carrier is suspending flights to the region due to over-competition? Or is EK surreptitiously eyeing 'beyond' markets? Perhaps things will change when they loosen their stranglehold on foreign workers. :scratchchin:


In the meantime, while MNL is continuously tormented by its Catch 22 state, CEB merrily hums along. Heavy activity has shifted outdoors with the completion of the undulating roof (from SkyscraperCity)..... :hyper:

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A preview of things to come.....

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But what to do about these..... :tired:

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Mon Sep 18, 2017 9:25 am

Looks like PAL will soon be starting MNL-YVR-ORD 4x a week and MNL-YVR-IAH 3x a week, all on 77Ws. JFK will be nonstop on the A359 in the beginning of summer 2018 and SEA to be added in 4Q 2018.
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Mon Sep 18, 2017 2:07 pm

PR proposes 3 weekly CEB-BKK from Dec 17

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Mon Sep 18, 2017 2:17 pm

QANTAS747-438 wrote:
Looks like PAL will soon be starting MNL-YVR-ORD 4x a week and MNL-YVR-IAH 3x a week, all on 77Ws. JFK will be nonstop on the A359 in the beginning of summer 2018 and SEA to be added in 4Q 2018.

Yes, please see previous posts, as this has already been widely discussed. :thumbsup:
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Mon Sep 18, 2017 4:25 pm

Yes, PR's NA expansion outlined in the linked blog above largely reflects the GCMap image in #122. While A321LRs are expected to serve Australia and India as follows, no formal announcement has been made that six A321Neo frames from PR's current order have been officially converted to -LRs as of yet.....

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I assume -LRs would alternate with A330s at MEL and SYD later on. Regular A321NEO can resume CNS and do CTS instead. Per comment in the blog, an A330 would do AKL and PR could still add a couple or more in the near term. If it wouldn't complicate their fleet composition too much, PAL should try and order cheaper end-of-line A332s or lease newish frames becoming available. Better yet, PR could look into the A338 when it's offered. :biggrin: Might have the legs to also do YVR and SEA nonstop a bit more economically, given the looming rise in fuel prices again.


Speaking of new flights from CEB...SkyscraperCity provides a glimpse of planned T1 renovation..... :eyepopping: .....

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This as more details emerge about NAIA's Pagcor problem..... :stirthepot: .....

http://business.inquirer.net/237028/tho ... gcor-lease
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread 2017

Tue Sep 19, 2017 11:45 pm

Philippines Air Asia announced it will start flying between Manila and Ho Chi Minh City thrice weekly starting in November.

http://www.flightsinasia.com/articles/2722
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Wed Sep 20, 2017 12:20 am

QANTAS747-438 wrote:
Looks like PAL will soon be starting MNL-YVR-ORD 4x a week and MNL-YVR-IAH 3x a week, all on 77Ws. JFK will be nonstop on the A359 in the beginning of summer 2018 and SEA to be added in 4Q 2018.


I’ll be happy to take the $ they’ll lose on these routes if they just stop!
 
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread 2017

Wed Sep 20, 2017 4:59 am

nomorerjs wrote:
QANTAS747-438 wrote:
Looks like PAL will soon be starting MNL-YVR-ORD 4x a week and MNL-YVR-IAH 3x a week, all on 77Ws. JFK will be nonstop on the A359 in the beginning of summer 2018 and SEA to be added in 4Q 2018.


I’ll be happy to take the $ they’ll lose on these routes if they just stop!


I'm trying to wrap my head around this. Across the multiple threads where ORD and IAH have come up, people seem quite pessimistic about the two tags working out. Would they really perform that poorly? Or that poorly compared to the current JFK tag? If you want to get to MNL from ORD and IAH you'd have to connect anyway so would PR really be at a disadvantage offer these flights as tags? I'm not saying the routes are slam dunks but I'm trying to get some insight about why a few posters seem so pessimistic about these new potential tags.
 
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread 2017

Wed Sep 20, 2017 8:30 am

amadorE175 wrote:
nomorerjs wrote:
QANTAS747-438 wrote:
Looks like PAL will soon be starting MNL-YVR-ORD 4x a week and MNL-YVR-IAH 3x a week, all on 77Ws. JFK will be nonstop on the A359 in the beginning of summer 2018 and SEA to be added in 4Q 2018.


I’ll be happy to take the $ they’ll lose on these routes if they just stop!


I'm trying to wrap my head around this. Across the multiple threads where ORD and IAH have come up, people seem quite pessimistic about the two tags working out. Would they really perform that poorly? Or that poorly compared to the current JFK tag? If you want to get to MNL from ORD and IAH you'd have to connect anyway so would PR really be at a disadvantage offer these flights as tags? I'm not saying the routes are slam dunks but I'm trying to get some insight about why a few posters seem so pessimistic about these new potential tags.



It's true you that one would have to connect if they going to MNL from ORD or IAH. The issue becomes if that if one is using PR to travel to southeast Asia and not just the Philippines then it becomes an exhausting experience...and that's if one is originating out of ORD or IAH. Now imagine if someone from Kentucky Missouri Oklahoma Louisiana etc was using UA to interconnect with PR to travel to Vietnam or some other southeastern Asia destination. Now it's a three stop journey. Very time consuming.

So based on that, it would seem to me that PR is banking on just O&D traffic out of ORD and IAH, which doesn't seem like there is enough demand. In addition if one has to stop in YVR to get to MNL on PR then what's the incentive of using them (outside of price or schedule) when they can take any number of the existing Asian carriers, UA or AA and then connect in HKG PEK NRT etc. Add to that the amount of Asian carriers already at ORD and the yields will be awful.
 
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread 2017

Wed Sep 20, 2017 3:32 pm

piedmontf284000 wrote:
amadorE175 wrote:
nomorerjs wrote:

I’ll be happy to take the $ they’ll lose on these routes if they just stop!


I'm trying to wrap my head around this. Across the multiple threads where ORD and IAH have come up, people seem quite pessimistic about the two tags working out. Would they really perform that poorly? Or that poorly compared to the current JFK tag? If you want to get to MNL from ORD and IAH you'd have to connect anyway so would PR really be at a disadvantage offer these flights as tags? I'm not saying the routes are slam dunks but I'm trying to get some insight about why a few posters seem so pessimistic about these new potential tags.



It's true you that one would have to connect if they going to MNL from ORD or IAH. The issue becomes if that if one is using PR to travel to southeast Asia and not just the Philippines then it becomes an exhausting experience...and that's if one is originating out of ORD or IAH. Now imagine if someone from Kentucky Missouri Oklahoma Louisiana etc was using UA to interconnect with PR to travel to Vietnam or some other southeastern Asia destination. Now it's a three stop journey. Very time consuming.

So based on that, it would seem to me that PR is banking on just O&D traffic out of ORD and IAH, which doesn't seem like there is enough demand. In addition if one has to stop in YVR to get to MNL on PR then what's the incentive of using them (outside of price or schedule) when they can take any number of the existing Asian carriers, UA or AA and then connect in HKG PEK NRT etc. Add to that the amount of Asian carriers already at ORD and the yields will be awful.


Thanks for the explanation, much appreciated.

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