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NK just added daily BOS-MSY starting Nov 9, nice to see more carriers on this route!

http://ir.spirit.com/releasedetail.cfm? ... ID=1038189

Not sure if this was mentioned or not but Air Berlin is going seasonal on BOS-DUS, original plan was 4x weekly in the winter.
http://www.routesonline.com/news/38/air ... f-23aug17/

aaflyer777 wrote:

Not sure if this was mentioned or not but Air Berlin is going seasonal on BOS-DUS, original plan was 4x weekly in the winter.
http://www.routesonline.com/news/38/air ... f-23aug17/

I will be interested to see what happens here. With AB's bankruptcy, who knows if it will ever return.

Heard a rumor that yet another carrier will be bringing the 787 to Boston this autumn.

It's very interesting to see how next summer is shaping up already. It'd be a great surprise to me if there aren't a few more changes on the way.

Also Doubt many would have caught it, but the Saudi 747sp was in again today. Aged as it may be, still a beautiful aircraft.

FGITD wrote:

Heard a rumor that yet another carrier will be bringing the 787 to Boston this autumn.

It's very interesting to see how next summer is shaping up already. It'd be a great surprise to me if there aren't a few more changes on the way.

Has to be LY with 787 unless UA is throwing a couple on BOS-SFO for utilization purposes.

The next month and a half will set the stage for S18 for sure.

why does BOS have no cargo carriers like LH, SN, AF, CI, MU, ANA, EY, etc? I was at ORD and it seems like every airline that flys there also sends dedicated cargo flights there. ATL & MIA also have a ton. Why not BOS?

VS4ever wrote:

aaflyer777 wrote:

Not sure if this was mentioned or not but Air Berlin is going seasonal on BOS-DUS, original plan was 4x weekly in the winter.
http://www.routesonline.com/news/38/air ... f-23aug17/

I will be interested to see what happens here. With AB's bankruptcy, who knows if it will ever return.

As I said in another thread, I just don't expect AB to be flying at all, next Summer.

clrd4t8koff wrote:

why does BOS have no cargo carriers like LH, SN, AF, CI, MU, ANA, EY, etc? I was at ORD and it seems like every airline that flys there also sends dedicated cargo flights there. ATL & MIA also have a ton. Why not BOS?

Maybe because BOS is not a cargo hub for any airline?

FGITD wrote:

Also Doubt many would have caught it, but the Saudi 747sp was in again today. Aged as it may be, still a beautiful aircraft.

It must be move-in day in Boston

airbazar wrote:

As I said in another thread, I just don't expect AB to be flying at all, next Summer.

Because we were all just waiting on pins and needles for you to repeat yourself.

If you already said it why do you feel the need to repeat it?

airbazar wrote:

Maybe because BOS is not a cargo hub for any airline?

The snark with your reply makes your answer so much more impactful. We all appreciate it.

But back to my question. I understand BOS may not be a cargo HUB (a la MEM, IND, SDF, etc.) but that doesn't answer why BOS doesn't have a cargo flight from any of the major airlines whereas some airports like ORD, ATL & MIA do. Last time I checked ORD was a hub for AA & UA (and they have NO dedicated cargo flights), ATL for DL (and they have NO dedicated cargo flights) and MIA for AA (and they have NO dedicated cargo flights).

They do have UPS / Fedex / DHL, although I assume you mean passenger airlines that are also cargo operators? I honestly have no idea but if I were to guess, I'd say that most of the airlines you listed can meet their cargo demand with passenger flights. That probably has something to do with BOS primarily getting O&D cargo, rather than acting as a distribution hub of sorts. However several airlines do have cargo offices, including delta and others. I pulled this from Wikipedia, so take it with the appropriate validity.

'Cargo Edit
Logan Airport is a medium-sized airport in terms of cargo, handling 684,875 tons of freight in 2012, making it the 10th busiest airport in the U.S. in terms of cargo. It handles many U.S.-based cargo airlines, including ABX Air, DHL, FedEx Express and UPS Airlines. It also has cargo offices for many international cargo carriers, including British Airways World Cargo, Cathay Pacific Cargo, China Airlines Cargo, EVA Air Cargo, LATAM Cargo Chile and Saudia Cargo.[94] It has two cargo complexes: The North Cargo Terminal, located near Terminal E, and South Cargo, located near Terminal A.[36] Given the airport is the 10th busiest cargo facility in the country, with many companies operating at the airport, it has been recognized that future expansion of cargo from Logan is limited due to constrained physical space for expansion.[95]'

I'm curious about the cargo offices for airlines that don't fly to Logan.

aaflyer777 wrote:

Not sure if this was mentioned or not but Air Berlin is going seasonal on BOS-DUS, original plan was 4x weekly in the winter.
http://www.routesonline.com/news/38/air ... f-23aug17/

Airberlin has not loaded a summer 2018 schedule. I bet AB is done with BOS (and some others).

tlecam wrote:

I'm curious about the cargo offices for airlines that don't fly to Logan.

Brings up a curious question. Is there such a similar thing like code sharing for cargo?

[threeid][/threeid]

VS4ever wrote:

tlecam wrote:

I'm curious about the cargo offices for airlines that don't fly to Logan.

Brings up a curious question. Is there such a similar thing like code sharing for cargo?

Very similar. Different airlines might have a cargo "office" but should you contact them, it'll be someone else. For example, you call virgin Atlantic cargo, and the person who answers will say "Delta cargo" Usually one cargo manager for an international airline will handle a region.

And to my knowledge, El Al is not the one bringing a 787.

MAH4546 wrote:

aaflyer777 wrote:

Not sure if this was mentioned or not but Air Berlin is going seasonal on BOS-DUS, original plan was 4x weekly in the winter.
http://www.routesonline.com/news/38/air ... f-23aug17/

Airberlin has not loaded a summer 2018 schedule. I bet AB is done with BOS (and some others).

I have reservations on AB into MUC and out of HAM in early-October. I made the reservations a couple months ago thinking the airline was pretty safe with EY's guarantee. J fares were about half of LH, and AB's front cabin reviews are pretty positive. But I wish I had scratched the surface a bit more. I think the airline will still be flying in October, but I didn't look at their on-time performance and I've never seen anything like BOS-DUS AB7473. It almost never arrives on-time. It runs more than 15 minutes late about 70% of the time. The average delay is about 45 minutes and it's not uncommon to see the flight arriving 1 - 1.5 hours late. I've got a 1:50 transfer on a Saturday morning for the DUS-MUC leg and I'm nervous as hell about it. I'm picking up a BMW in Munich and if I miss the connection, I won't be able to get the car until Monday. And I'm scheduled to return to BOS on Tuesday! I won't even think about checking bags!!

Flew AMS-BOS today (DL127) - Full flight and fortunately not a big wait in immigration. Several people travelling from Indian sub-continent as well.

Also flew OU (Croatia Airlines) three times in the past week. Very similar experience to A3. They have a very small fleet. I know they have short stage lengths but they serve over 30-35 destinations (not all daily) with a very small fleet (6 A320 family and 6 Q400's plus 2 RJ wet leases)

FGITD wrote:

And to my knowledge, El Al is not the one bringing a 787.

Domestic or USA Carrier?

airbazar wrote:

If I can fly DY all the way to Europe, I have zero reason to take FI/WOW.

And yet WW keeps expanding at rate DY can't keep up with. Can you just shut up now?

airbazar wrote:

April is also good, especially the more central southern regions like Italy, Spain, Portugal, Austria.

When has Austria EVER been considered Southern Europe? Please stop posting, you're incredibly uneducated.

FGITD wrote:

Heard a rumor that yet another carrier will be bringing the 787 to Boston this autumn.

This is, I'm assuming, not AF and the 789 but there are apparently bringing this fall, correct? I believe we covered that earlier, but could be wrong.

Also, if we are talking about cargo, I recently spoke to someone who works for one of the international carriers at BOS, and from what he told me it sounds like they do very well with cargo at Logan, but don't need the extra capacity of dedicated international cargo flights. In fact, he went as far to say that cargo is imperative in terms of that carrier's revenue on BOS ops, which I don't doubt.

clrd4t8koff wrote:

And yet WW keeps expanding at rate DY can't keep up with. Can you just shut up now?

When has Austria EVER been considered Southern Europe? Please stop posting, you're incredibly uneducated.

Is this type of language necessary? I'm not interested in litigating the whole interaction, but the only thing potentially snarky I saw airbazar say was the comment about BOS not being a cargo hub.

33lspotter wrote:

FGITD wrote:

Heard a rumor that yet another carrier will be bringing the 787 to Boston this autumn.

This is, I'm assuming, not AF and the 789 but there are apparently bringing this fall, correct? I believe we covered that earlier, but could be wrong.

Also, if we are talking about cargo, I recently spoke to someone who works for one of the international carriers at BOS, and from what he told me it sounds like they do very well with cargo at Logan, but don't need the extra capacity of dedicated international cargo flights. In fact, he went as far to say that cargo is imperative in terms of that carrier's revenue on BOS ops, which I don't doubt.

AF is very much confirmed, so it's not them! It is however an international carrier out of E.

Cargo is absolutely a major point going out of Boston. Off the top of my head I can't think of any international carriers who aren't usually close to full in terms of cargo. Supposedly one of the reasons Emirates won't bring the 380. Not worth dropping that much cargo to carry more pax.

FGITD wrote:

33lspotter wrote:

FGITD wrote:

Heard a rumor that yet another carrier will be bringing the 787 to Boston this autumn.

This is, I'm assuming, not AF and the 789 but there are apparently bringing this fall, correct? I believe we covered that earlier, but could be wrong.

Also, if we are talking about cargo, I recently spoke to someone who works for one of the international carriers at BOS, and from what he told me it sounds like they do very well with cargo at Logan, but don't need the extra capacity of dedicated international cargo flights. In fact, he went as far to say that cargo is imperative in terms of that carrier's revenue on BOS ops, which I don't doubt.

AF is very much confirmed, so it's not them! It is however an international carrier out of E.

Cargo is absolutely a major point going out of Boston. Off the top of my head I can't think of any international carriers who aren't usually close to full in terms of cargo. Supposedly one of the reasons Emirates won't bring the 380. Not worth dropping that much cargo to carry more pax.

Hmmmm I'm really curious who it is now. If not LY then UX makes the most sense for a new 787 operator. AM and AV are the only other international carriers with 787s and I highly doubt its either of them

FGITD wrote:

Heard a rumor that yet another carrier will be bringing the 787 to Boston this autumn.

It's very interesting to see how next summer is shaping up already. It'd be a great surprise to me if there aren't a few more changes on the way.

Also Doubt many would have caught it, but the Saudi 747sp was in again today. Aged as it may be, still a beautiful aircraft.

I believe it's Air France bringing in their 789 for the winter season. I think it starts 10/28 I read somewhere. If it isn't, then I'm not sure what other carrier here would unless there's a new airline gonna start up but hasn't announced yet.

It seems far out of protocol for a new international airline to just 'show up' at Logan a couple months from now. The sensible options are ElAl or AF (which was made official months ago). I don't think AM is doing so well at BOS that they need to bump up their service to a 787.

JL and CX could be possible contenders too I believe? They have been doing quite well at Logan.

On another note regarding AB, my friend traveled last weekend from HYD-AUH-DUS-BOS. He said the flight seemed pretty much empty but was happy DUS was no way crowded than FRA or LHR.

On another sidenote, did EW ever start a flight to BOS or was it canceled even before it took-off?

clrd4t8koff wrote:

airbazar wrote:

As I said in another thread, I just don't expect AB to be flying at all, next Summer.

Because we were all just waiting on pins and needles for you to repeat yourself.

If you already said it why do you feel the need to repeat it?

Really? And you call me snark? It was a different thread. People don't read every thread on a.net. Jeez, someone woke up on the wrong side of the bed.

clrd4t8koff wrote:

airbazar wrote:

Maybe because BOS is not a cargo hub for any airline?

The snark with your reply makes your answer so much more impactful. We all appreciate it.

Holly sensitivity! What happened to you? Did your pet die or something? I'm sorry if you took my comments as offensive or snarky. It wasn't at all meant to be that way. It was a honest question, not a remark. Maybe if you understood basic 5th grade grammar you'd know the difference in the punctuation. There are also emoji's to project one's feelings or emotions.

Here's a little Internet tutorial for you:

There's a difference between: "Maybe because BOS is not a cargo hub for any airline?"
Snark comment: "Maybe because BOS is not a cargo hub for any airline. "
Question: "Maybe because BOS is not a cargo hub for any airline?"

You're welcome

clrd4t8koff wrote:

airbazar wrote:

April is also good, especially the more central southern regions like Italy, Spain, Portugal, Austria.

When has Austria EVER been considered Southern Europe? Please stop posting, you're incredibly uneducated.

Holly crap dude, now I have to ask: Did I do something to you?

Ok my punctuation was wrong this time. I meant to imply that Spring skiing in Austria was great.
Having said that, is Italy southern Europe? There are parts of Austria that are further South than parts of Italy. If France southern Europe? Well, parts of it are, parts aren't. Likewise for Austria. But I understand that most people don't associate Austria with Southern Europe. My mother-in-law happens to live in Carinthia and I can tell you that culturally and historically Southern Austria is very much southern europe. When i visit my friends from South Tirol who speak Italian at home, trust me they don't think they're from Northern Europe. Typically the delimiter between North and South are the Alps. You'll find that in Austria like in France and Italy there's a very big difference between the provinces north of the Alps vs. those south of the Alps.

clrd4t8koff wrote:

But back to my question. I understand BOS may not be a cargo HUB (a la MEM, IND, SDF, etc.) but that doesn't answer why BOS doesn't have a cargo flight from any of the major airlines whereas some airports like ORD, ATL & MIA do. Last time I checked ORD was a hub for AA & UA (and they have NO dedicated cargo flights), ATL for DL (and they have NO dedicated cargo flights) and MIA for AA (and they have NO dedicated cargo flights).

Now back to the question at hand.
I think (hence my not-snarky question), that because ORD/ATL/MIA are major hubs for at least one airline we see their alliance partners with cargo subsidiaries fly there. At Boston cargo is likely to be predominantly O&D, like the passengers and so the cargo flies on the belly of passenger planes.
And then of course we have the very large cities like NY and LA that because of their size, just have huge amounts of cargo shipped in which need dedicated freight carriers. Anyway, that's my theory.

WTH is this?
https://www.boston.com/cars/car-news/20 ... up-dropoff

How is charging for pick-up and drop-off supposed to reduce congestion?
Is the Low Cost model making its way to the Logan now (a la Stanstead airport)?
Instead of charging, start by enforcing the curb-side parking ban. I see people parked in idling cars every time I go to Logan.
Another way to reduce congestion: Free short term parking so people aren't constantly driving around waiting for the arriving passengers.
Charging to enter the pick-up/drop-off area will cause even worse congestion IMO, with people lining up to take a ticket and then taking their time to pay on the way out.

Also Doubt many would have caught it, but the Saudi 747sp was in again today. Aged as it may be, still a beautiful aircraft.[/quote]


Just a quick maybe! Could it be a Hajj flight? Charter? That would be unusual for Boston to get.

airbazar wrote:

WTH is this?
https://www.boston.com/cars/car-news/20 ... up-dropoff

How is charging for pick-up and drop-off supposed to reduce congestion?
Is the Low Cost model making its way to the Logan now (a la Stanstead airport)?
Instead of charging, start by enforcing the curb-side parking ban. I see people parked in idling cars every time I go to Logan.
Another way to reduce congestion: Free short term parking so people aren't constantly driving around waiting for the arriving passengers.
Charging to enter the pick-up/drop-off area will cause even worse congestion IMO, with people lining up to take a ticket and then taking their time to pay on the way out.

I thought that was what the cell phone lot was supposed to stop, but remember when (not if) E gets expanded, that area is toast. I agree enforcement is laughable at best, but could you imagine doing this at C.... it's all fine when you have the space do it, like Stansted, not at Logan that's for sure. But remember nothing has to come of the study, it's just an appeasement to get the extra parking spaces.

airway1 wrote:

Also Doubt many would have caught it, but the Saudi 747sp was in again today. Aged as it may be, still a beautiful aircraft.

Just a quick maybe! Could it be a Hajj flight? Charter? That would be unusual for Boston to get.[/quote]


It actually comes by more often than it would seem. I've seen it at least 3 times in the last year or so.



Also, doesn't Qatar own some 788s?

VS4ever wrote:

airbazar wrote:

I thought that was what the cell phone lot was supposed to stop, but remember when (not if) E gets expanded, that area is toast. I agree enforcement is laughable at best, but could you imagine doing this at C.... it's all fine when you have the space do it, like Stansted, not at Logan that's for sure. But remember nothing has to come of the study, it's just an appeasement to get the extra parking spaces.

Right, unfortunately the last couple of times that i tried to use the cell phone lot, that was full. And then when people are getting stuck at immigration for an hour or more, it's impossible to judge when they will actually come out.
And you're right, noting has come out of it but Logan desperately wants additional parking so if this will get them the additional parking then we can all be sure that it will happen.

FGITD wrote:

Also, doesn't Qatar own some 788s?

It does ! Back in April 2016, which was just after QR started service to BOS on the A350, I flew to OSL on DY and there was a QR 788 parked near us. I remember thinking that it was interesting that QR had both the 787 and A350 in its fleet.

As near as I can tell, BA is doing the same thing with their A380 next summer...Fridays, Sundays, and Mondays. However, unlike this year they will operate four flights on those days.

33lspotter wrote:

FGITD wrote:

Also, doesn't Qatar own some 788s?

It does ! Back in April 2016, which was just after QR started service to BOS on the A350, I flew to OSL on DY and there was a QR 788 parked near us. I remember thinking that it was interesting that QR had both the 787 and A350 in its fleet.

It is a strange choice. Though the 788 and 350 don't really cover the same markets. 788 seems like it would be a good down season replacement for a 350....

FGITD wrote:

33lspotter wrote:

FGITD wrote:

Also, doesn't Qatar own some 788s?

It does ! Back in April 2016, which was just after QR started service to BOS on the A350, I flew to OSL on DY and there was a QR 788 parked near us. I remember thinking that it was interesting that QR had both the 787 and A350 in its fleet.

It is a strange choice. Though the 788 and 350 don't really cover the same markets. 788 seems like it would be a good down season replacement for a 350....

As I recall though QR's 787s don't have crew rests and thus can't be used on flights to the US

FGITD wrote:

It is a strange choice. Though the 788 and 350 don't really cover the same markets. 788 seems like it would be a good down season replacement for a 350....

They do not, but they do have some similarities. What I think I found most surprising was that – at that point – I didn't know of any other carriers having (or planning to have in the near future) those two types in their fleet simultaneously.

Note: Obviously carriers like a BA, AA, and the like plan to introduce the A350 alongside 787s in the future. However, the EIS dates for those A350s within those carriers are still a ways down the road as far as I'm aware.

hinckley wrote:

[ I think the airline will still be flying in October, but I didn't look at their on-time performance and I've never seen anything like BOS-DUS AB7473. It almost never arrives on-time. It runs more than 15 minutes late about 70% of the time. The average delay is about 45 minutes and it's not uncommon to see the flight arriving 1 - 1.5 hours late. I've got a 1:50 transfer on a Saturday morning for the DUS-MUC leg and I'm nervous as hell about it. I'm picking up a BMW in Munich and if I miss the connection, I won't be able to get the car until Monday. And I'm scheduled to return to BOS on Tuesday! I won't even think about checking bags!!

I'll be taking that flight next week. I notice that the scheduled turnaround from the inbound is 1 hr. 45. I haven't looked at a lot of these, but it looks like a short turnaround for a TATL: a slight delay in the inbound would be difficult to make up.

rove312 wrote:

I'll be taking that flight next week. I notice that the scheduled turnaround from the inbound is 1 hr. 45. I haven't looked at a lot of these, but it looks like a short turnaround for a TATL: a slight delay in the inbound would be difficult to make up.

I'd love to hear how it goes for you. A quick post would be much appreciated.

rove312 wrote:

hinckley wrote:

[ I think the airline will still be flying in October, but I didn't look at their on-time performance and I've never seen anything like BOS-DUS AB7473. It almost never arrives on-time. It runs more than 15 minutes late about 70% of the time. The average delay is about 45 minutes and it's not uncommon to see the flight arriving 1 - 1.5 hours late. I've got a 1:50 transfer on a Saturday morning for the DUS-MUC leg and I'm nervous as hell about it. I'm picking up a BMW in Munich and if I miss the connection, I won't be able to get the car until Monday. And I'm scheduled to return to BOS on Tuesday! I won't even think about checking bags!!

I'll be taking that flight next week. I notice that the scheduled turnaround from the inbound is 1 hr. 45. I haven't looked at a lot of these, but it looks like a short turnaround for a TATL: a slight delay in the inbound would be difficult to make up.

it's short, but not that short.
most are around 2 hours
LX is timed at 1hr 40
WW is 1hr 35, but that's a 321 not a 330
DY is 2 hours, although their new CDG will be shorter than that.
PF will be 90 minutes
LH's late flight is 1hr 45

just some examples.

hinckley wrote:

MAH4546 wrote:

aaflyer777 wrote:

Not sure if this was mentioned or not but Air Berlin is going seasonal on BOS-DUS, original plan was 4x weekly in the winter.
http://www.routesonline.com/news/38/air ... f-23aug17/

Airberlin has not loaded a summer 2018 schedule. I bet AB is done with BOS (and some others).

I have reservations on AB into MUC and out of HAM in early-October. I made the reservations a couple months ago thinking the airline was pretty safe with EY's guarantee. J fares were about half of LH, and AB's front cabin reviews are pretty positive. But I wish I had scratched the surface a bit more. I think the airline will still be flying in October, but I didn't look at their on-time performance and I've never seen anything like BOS-DUS AB7473. It almost never arrives on-time. It runs more than 15 minutes late about 70% of the time. The average delay is about 45 minutes and it's not uncommon to see the flight arriving 1 - 1.5 hours late. I've got a 1:50 transfer on a Saturday morning for the DUS-MUC leg and I'm nervous as hell about it. I'm picking up a BMW in Munich and if I miss the connection, I won't be able to get the car until Monday. And I'm scheduled to return to BOS on Tuesday! I won't even think about checking bags!!

Are you seeing today's AB news: DUS-BOS discontinued Oct. 1: http://atwonline.com/airports-routes/ai ... insolvency

The future of Air Berlin as we know isn't looking well and they're already cutting their long-haul routes from Berlin as well as The DUS-BOS route. Ends 10/1/17. Lets hope whoever takes over Air Berlin or a new carrier ( maybe LH) will restart route.


https://thepointsguy.com/2017/08/air-be ... ul-routes/

VS4ever wrote:

rove312 wrote:

hinckley wrote:

[ I think the airline will still be flying in October, but I didn't look at their on-time performance and I've never seen anything like BOS-DUS AB7473. It almost never arrives on-time. It runs more than 15 minutes late about 70% of the time. The average delay is about 45 minutes and it's not uncommon to see the flight arriving 1 - 1.5 hours late. I've got a 1:50 transfer on a Saturday morning for the DUS-MUC leg and I'm nervous as hell about it. I'm picking up a BMW in Munich and if I miss the connection, I won't be able to get the car until Monday. And I'm scheduled to return to BOS on Tuesday! I won't even think about checking bags!!

I'll be taking that flight next week. I notice that the scheduled turnaround from the inbound is 1 hr. 45. I haven't looked at a lot of these, but it looks like a short turnaround for a TATL: a slight delay in the inbound would be difficult to make up.

it's short, but not that short.
most are around 2 hours
LX is timed at 1hr 40
WW is 1hr 35, but that's a 321 not a 330
DY is 2 hours, although their new CDG will be shorter than that.
PF will be 90 minutes
LH's late flight is 1hr 45

just some examples.

A 777 usually is between 1:45 and 2:10, depending on airline and type. (200/300)

330 anywhere from 1:35 to 1:50

787 is usually around the same as a 772, and the 350 is closer to 77w.

747 has a huge range I've found. 2 hours, 2.5 hours, etc.

A380 I've got no idea honestly.

But with that said, it's not uncommon to speed things up. I've seen full 772s done in less than 85 minutes, among others.

Maybe LH will bump up their capacity on the 2nd flight next summer now that one competitor has kinda vanquished itself. I'm not quite sure what they'd upgrade it to, or whether one A380 might do the trick. LH was always one of the carriers that expressed interest in using the A380 here.

rove312 wrote:

Are you seeing today's AB news: DUS-BOS discontinued Oct. 1: http://atwonline.com/airports-routes/ai ... insolvency

I'm seeing it now! Oh boy . . . Thanks for the heads up.

KSBOS wrote:

The future of Air Berlin as we know isn't looking well and they're already cutting their long-haul routes from Berlin as well as The DUS-BOS route. Ends 10/1/17. Lets hope whoever takes over Air Berlin or a new carrier ( maybe LH) will restart route.


https://thepointsguy.com/2017/08/air-be ... ul-routes/

There's an almost 500 post thread on this right now (probably over 500 at the time of me writing this), AB is likely to be chopped up with LH taking the lion's share, including the 330's unless the former owner of LTU wins out. If that's the case I don't see DUS coming back because LH will protect their FRA and MUC flights that have had lower loads since AB entered the fray. However if Condor wins some, we could see the return of it, but via PVD I suspect, given that the 2 of the reasons they gave up at PVD before was AB to DUS and EW to CGN submarining the fares. I'm not going to rehash all the arguments from the other thread because it's over there, but I don't see much happening on this front for a while.

On the other hand, there is now a huge gaping slot (yes I know BOS isn't slot restricted), so let's say Gate Availability from 5pm to 7pm, so unless someone does come back with an AB alternative, could we see someone else pick up that timing, it's an early flight arrival into Europe, but surely someone like DY could potentially take it, could move their LGW to daily and utilize that time and use the other slots they have for increased frequencies to other places.. Just a thought.

[quote="VS4ever"

On the other hand, there is now a huge gaping slot (yes I know BOS isn't slot restricted), so let's say Gate Availability from 5pm to 7pm, so unless someone does come back with an AB alternative, could we see someone else pick up that timing, it's an early flight arrival into Europe, but surely someone like DY could potentially take it, could move their LGW to daily and utilize that time and use the other slots they have for increased frequencies to other places.. Just a thought.[/quote]

Without AB there is still no open gate availability between 5 and 7. Less tow offs, possibly. Definitely a little bit more flexibility. But far from being a huge gaping slot.

The daily assignments at terminal E basically assume every flight will arrive perfectly on time, and leave exactly when it's supposed to. Say IB arrives late, despite being an early afternoon arrival, the ripple effect of that one flight could effect almost every flight the rest of the night.

FGITD wrote:

[quote="VS4ever"

On the other hand, there is now a huge gaping slot (yes I know BOS isn't slot restricted), so let's say Gate Availability from 5pm to 7pm, so unless someone does come back with an AB alternative, could we see someone else pick up that timing, it's an early flight arrival into Europe, but surely someone like DY could potentially take it, could move their LGW to daily and utilize that time and use the other slots they have for increased frequencies to other places.. Just a thought.

Without AB there is still no open gate availability between 5 and 7. Less tow offs, possibly. Definitely a little bit more flexibility. But far from being a huge gaping slot.

The daily assignments at terminal E basically assume every flight will arrive perfectly on time, and leave exactly when it's supposed to. Say IB arrives late, despite being an early afternoon arrival, the ripple effect of that one flight could effect almost every flight the rest of the night.[/quote]

don't disagree, but Massport don't look at it that way, hence how they build their slots, if there isn't a taker for it, I suspect they could bring back TP from Terminal C and just leave EI out there for the time being. The gap is there based on the set up i have kept track of for recent times, it doesn't take account of tow offs, as apart from a couple of obvious ones due to length of time on the ground, i'm not close enough to day to day ops to determine which ones they would be.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... sp=sharing

VS4ever wrote:

FGITD wrote:

[quote="VS4ever"

On the other hand, there is now a huge gaping slot (yes I know BOS isn't slot restricted), so let's say Gate Availability from 5pm to 7pm, so unless someone does come back with an AB alternative, could we see someone else pick up that timing, it's an early flight arrival into Europe, but surely someone like DY could potentially take it, could move their LGW to daily and utilize that time and use the other slots they have for increased frequencies to other places.. Just a thought.

Without AB there is still no open gate availability between 5 and 7. Less tow offs, possibly. Definitely a little bit more flexibility. But far from being a huge gaping slot.

The daily assignments at terminal E basically assume every flight will arrive perfectly on time, and leave exactly when it's supposed to. Say IB arrives late, despite being an early afternoon arrival, the ripple effect of that one flight could effect almost every flight the rest of the night.

don't disagree, but Massport don't look at it that way, hence how they build their slots, if there isn't a taker for it, I suspect they could bring back TP from Terminal C and just leave EI out there for the time being. The gap is there based on the set up i have kept track of for recent times, it doesn't take account of tow offs, as apart from a couple of obvious ones due to length of time on the ground, i'm not close enough to day to day ops to determine which ones they would be.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... sp=sharing[/quote]


Great spreadsheet, and very accurate. Daily tows are usually JAL, TK, AZ, EK, QR, S4, and of course the non foreign carriers, JetBlue, DL, AA. (who, by the way, are an absolute pain to deal with at E)

chrisnh wrote:

As near as I can tell, BA is doing the same thing with their A380 next summer...Fridays, Sundays, and Mondays. However, unlike this year they will operate four flights on those days.

I'm glad to see this improvement. Looks like 3x777/380 or 3x777/744(presumably high-j). I know a number of people, myself included, who were annoyed by the lack of consistency of the late departure from Logan.

330west wrote:

chrisnh wrote:

As near as I can tell, BA is doing the same thing with their A380 next summer...Fridays, Sundays, and Mondays. However, unlike this year they will operate four flights on those days.

I'm glad to see this improvement. Looks like 3x777/380 or 3x777/744(presumably high-j). I know a number of people, myself included, who were annoyed by the lack of consistency of the late departure from Logan.

I thought they switched the BA 239 to 787. Isn't that the case anymore?

VS11 wrote:

330west wrote:

chrisnh wrote:

As near as I can tell, BA is doing the same thing with their A380 next summer...Fridays, Sundays, and Mondays. However, unlike this year they will operate four flights on those days.

I'm glad to see this improvement. Looks like 3x777/380 or 3x777/744(presumably high-j). I know a number of people, myself included, who were annoyed by the lack of consistency of the late departure from Logan.

I thought they switched the BA 239 to 787. Isn't that the case anymore?

I think that's only for the winter schedule. I looked at a few dates in June and July around when I anticipate being there and it showed either the 77/74 or 77/38 combo.