Oregon Aviation Thread - 2017

PDXPOL · Sun Jul 30, 2017 2:14 am

I was out driving on the ramp Saturday and watched a solid white no markings 747 come in, I assume this is a Cathay plane. I then watched the Narita flight, Amsterdam fight, and London flight. I was shocked to see how much freight Delta has coming and going on their international flights. The entire front cargo portion was full coming and going out. Does Delta make decent money on their freight to prevent businesses from using Cathay. Especially since Cathay is up to 5 times weekly, they must have an affordable rate for their clients. I don't know if they have those volumes during winter, but it sure seems like a Europe cargo flight could do well out of PDX.

ooslc · Sun Jul 30, 2017 3:03 am

PDXPOL wrote:
I was out driving on the ramp Saturday and watched a solid white no markings 747 come in, I assume this is a Cathay plane. I then watched the Narita flight, Amsterdam fight, and London flight. I was shocked to see how much freight Delta has coming and going on their international flights. The entire front cargo portion was full coming and going out. Does Delta make decent money on their freight to prevent businesses from using Cathay. Especially since Cathay is up to 5 times weekly, they must have an affordable rate for their clients. I don't know if they have those volumes during winter, but it sure seems like a Europe cargo flight could do well out of PDX.

Yes that was an Atlas Air 748 you saw.

https://www.atlasair.com/holdings/news- ... ssid=21082

This explains the Atlas / Polar Air Cargo planes you see from time to time. They are flying for Cathay in an ACMI agreement.

PDX757 · Sun Jul 30, 2017 7:57 am

PDXPOL wrote:
I was out driving on the ramp Saturday and watched a solid white no markings 747 come in, I assume this is a Cathay plane. I then watched the Narita flight, Amsterdam fight, and London flight. I was shocked to see how much freight Delta has coming and going on their international flights. The entire front cargo portion was full coming and going out. Does Delta make decent money on their freight to prevent businesses from using Cathay. Especially since Cathay is up to 5 times weekly, they must have an affordable rate for their clients. I don't know if they have those volumes during winter, but it sure seems like a Europe cargo flight could do well out of PDX.

Anyone remember when Cargolux dropped PDX? It was well over a decade ago. I can't remember if it was before or after LH began service.

flymco753 · Sun Jul 30, 2017 4:24 pm

Good news regarding AS new PDX-DTW flights, I looked at the seats online and the aircraft is nearing 75%, even through a few of the off peak days in September the plane is filling up. I think this was a good move by AS because not only is AS filling seats, but with the competition so is DL.

ooslc · Sun Jul 30, 2017 4:24 pm

PDX757 wrote:
PDXPOL wrote:
I was out driving on the ramp Saturday and watched a solid white no markings 747 come in, I assume this is a Cathay plane. I then watched the Narita flight, Amsterdam fight, and London flight. I was shocked to see how much freight Delta has coming and going on their international flights. The entire front cargo portion was full coming and going out. Does Delta make decent money on their freight to prevent businesses from using Cathay. Especially since Cathay is up to 5 times weekly, they must have an affordable rate for their clients. I don't know if they have those volumes during winter, but it sure seems like a Europe cargo flight could do well out of PDX.

Anyone remember when Cargolux dropped PDX? It was well over a decade ago. I can't remember if it was before or after LH began service.

LH started FRA service in Spring of 2003 until end of Summer 2009. Cargolux started in 1999 until late Fall of 2003.

jbpdx · Sun Jul 30, 2017 7:48 pm

On other threads a lot of cities mention wanting nonstops to PDX. Everyone seems to think Alaska can/will fly the routes. I don't see how they can cover all these unserved routes alone:

Nashville
Pittsburgh
Cincinnati
Columbus
New Orleans
Tampa
Fort Lauderdale
Miami
Raleigh
Indianapolis
San Antonio
*Denver (would be an additional carrier)

Am I forgetting some?

msycajun · Sun Jul 30, 2017 8:42 pm

jbpdx wrote:
On other threads a lot of cities mention wanting nonstops to PDX. Everyone seems to think Alaska can/will fly the routes. I don't see how they can cover all these unserved routes alone:

Am I forgetting some?

Looking at the PDEW (Q4, 2016) of these unserved markets would eliminate some of these:

Miami, FL (Metropolitan Area) 142.0
Nashville, TN 108.5
Tampa, FL (Metropolitan Area) 103.7
New Orleans, LA 91.7
Indianapolis, IN 88.1
San Antonio, TX 81.7
Raleigh/Durham, NC 76.0
Pittsburgh, PA 59.3
Columbus, OH 57.9
Cincinnati, OH 46.5

To me, RDU, PIT, CMH, and CVG are definitely out, given they are 2000+ miles. Where you draw the line for feasibility depends on how many connections would be available. For FLL/MIA, it's a 60/40 split, so do you go for the market with more o&d or connections on AA? I'd probably wager that BNA and MSY are on the shortlist and are a similar distance. MSY was about 115 in Q2 16 (more than TPA) and has been growing by 10-15 PDEW each year.

jbpdx · Sun Jul 30, 2017 9:21 pm

Sounds right. But nonstops usually generate an extra 40% of traffic, I read somewhere, anna.aero or routesonline.

doug_or · Sun Jul 30, 2017 9:37 pm

jbpdx wrote:
Sounds right. But nonstops usually generate an extra 40% of traffic, I read somewhere, anna.aero or routesonline.

Sure, but they also don't capture the entire market.

Perhaps some of the small markets in range of the E175 will be most likely. There are only a few -700s, so most new routes would be on an -800, and that is a lot of seats.

Midwestindy · Mon Jul 31, 2017 2:33 pm

msycajun wrote:
jbpdx wrote:
On other threads a lot of cities mention wanting nonstops to PDX. Everyone seems to think Alaska can/will fly the routes. I don't see how they can cover all these unserved routes alone:

Am I forgetting some?

Looking at the PDEW (Q4, 2016) of these unserved markets would eliminate some of these:

Miami, FL (Metropolitan Area) 142.0
Nashville, TN 108.5
Tampa, FL (Metropolitan Area) 103.7
New Orleans, LA 91.7
Indianapolis, IN 88.1
San Antonio, TX 81.7
Raleigh/Durham, NC 76.0
Pittsburgh, PA 59.3
Columbus, OH 57.9
Cincinnati, OH 46.5

To me, RDU, PIT, CMH, and CVG are definitely out, given they are 2000+ miles. Where you draw the line for feasibility depends on how many connections would be available. For FLL/MIA, it's a 60/40 split, so do you go for the market with more o&d or connections on AA? I'd probably wager that BNA and MSY are on the shortlist and are a similar distance. MSY was about 115 in Q2 16 (more than TPA) and has been growing by 10-15 PDEW each year.

Shouldn't you be looking at Q2/Q3 numbers because most of these routes are likely to start off summer seasonal.

Q3 PDEW (Q3/Q2 average) *already service {YOY growth Q3} Distance in Miles [PDX-XXX] I used MKE as a reference for possible EMJ routes
MIA-PDX 130 (132) {23%} [2,700]
*CLE-PDX 122 (114) {36%} [2,046]
IND-PDX 117 (106) {17%} [1,877]
TPA-PDX 113 (108) {12%} [2,497]
BNA-PDX 106 (112) {3%} [1,973]
*Reference MKE-PDX 100 (92) {3%} [1,718]
RDU-PDX 97 (95) {16%} [2,363]
(AUS is likely eating into these numbers) SAT-PDX 90 (89) {25%} [1,715]
CVG-PDX 88 (72) {39%} [1,975]
CMH-PDX 85 (75) {15%} [2,034]
MSY-PDX 84 (100) {11%} [2,051]
PIT-PDX 80 (72) {7%} [2,149]

I rounded up

msycajun · Mon Jul 31, 2017 3:05 pm

Midwestindy wrote:
msycajun wrote:
jbpdx wrote:
On other threads a lot of cities mention wanting nonstops to PDX. Everyone seems to think Alaska can/will fly the routes. I don't see how they can cover all these unserved routes alone:

Am I forgetting some?

Shouldn't you be looking at Q2/Q3 numbers because most of these routes are likely to start off summer seasonal.

I suppose, but in the case of MIA, TPA, or MSY, would more likely be a winter/spring seasonal (MSY peaks in Q2 and is lowest in Q3). I would think that there is already a strain on resources during the summer, so routes that could only support the nonstop during summer months would be less attractive.

ramprat74 · Mon Jul 31, 2017 3:33 pm

The POP is forcing United to move their ticket counter to the north lobby. They will move next to Delta in early 2018. If I had to guess, Southwest will move into the current United position.

jbpdx · Mon Jul 31, 2017 3:35 pm

doug_or wrote:

Perhaps some of the small markets in range of the E175 will be most likely. There are only a few -700s, so most new routes would be on an -800, and that is a lot of seats.

I don't think any of those cities are in range for E175, IND, MSY and BNA are just past it. E190s would work for some, which is what AC uses for PDX-YYZ.

Midwestindy · Mon Jul 31, 2017 3:39 pm

msycajun wrote:
Midwestindy wrote:
msycajun wrote:

Shouldn't you be looking at Q2/Q3 numbers because most of these routes are likely to start off summer seasonal.

I suppose, but in the case of MIA, TPA, or MSY, would more likely be a winter/spring seasonal (MSY peaks in Q2 and is lowest in Q3). I would think that there is already a strain on resources during the summer, so routes that could only support the nonstop during summer months would be less attractive.

Here are when each of those routes you mentioned peak, the numbers in () are in order Q1/2/3/4
TPA peaks in Q3 (104,103,113,104), MIA peaks Q4 (140,134,130,142), MSY peaks Q2 as you mentioned (88,115,94,84). TPA/MSY both Peak Q2/Q3, and MIA stays mostly stagnant throughout the year, so basically all the routes have the highest PDEW during the summer. So, MSY/TPA don't have a unique advantage, because their numbers peak during Spring/Summer like the rest of the cities listed.

msycajun · Mon Jul 31, 2017 4:05 pm

This is a fair point, if you are only considering summer seasonal service. However, most of AS's longer distance adds have been year-round, which is why I think it makes sense to look at the low point Q4 numbers to see which routes would qualify. MIA/FLL, TPA, BNA, MSY, IND, and SAT are fairly consistent for most of the year, with some peaking in the spring or summer, but RDU, PIT, CMH, and CVG drop pretty far in the slower months. My argument is that if AS has some new planes and wants to open new routes, it makes more sense to look at ones that can support service year-round rather than only a few months out of the year. Leave the seasonal stuff to the ULCCs.

PDX757 · Mon Jul 31, 2017 8:42 pm

Pardon my ignorance, but pdew only accounts for traffic between two cities, correct? It wouldn't account for pax that would connect from those cities to other destinations around the PNW and to ANC(maybe even to SEA depending on loads)?
I could see the cities listed that have more than 100 pdew surviving as a single daily year round on a 738 or 73G when connections in PDX are accounted for.

jbpdx · Tue Aug 01, 2017 3:34 pm

June 2017 LF
Icelandair PDX-KEF 91%. (42 flights)
Condor PDX-FRA 92%. (28 flights)

jbpdx · Tue Aug 01, 2017 4:45 pm

June 2017 LF

Volaris
PDX-GDL. 94% (34 flights)

Hawaiian
PDX-HNL. 93% (60 flights)

Sun Country
PDX-MSP. 90% (62 flights)

Jet Blue
PDX-LGB, PDX-BOS, PDX-JFK. 88% (328 flights)

Air Canada
PDX-YYZ. 80% (60 flights)

jsta1981 · Tue Aug 01, 2017 5:42 pm

Good numbers! Seems like air Canada struggles a bit with Toronto. Seems reasonable that they keep it a seasonal flight!

twincommander · Tue Aug 01, 2017 7:18 pm

Anyone else see the 2 F15s playing at HIO this morning? I couldn't see where they were from, but figuring they are ANG...

jbpdx · Tue Aug 01, 2017 7:44 pm

jsta1981 wrote:
Good numbers! Seems like air Canada struggles a bit with Toronto. Seems reasonable that they keep it a seasonal flight!

A little advertising would help. Seems to be more people flying Portland to Mexico's second city than Portland to Canada's biggest city. And PDX-MEX starts daily in December.

doug_or · Tue Aug 01, 2017 8:01 pm

PDX757 wrote:
Pardon my ignorance, but pdew only accounts for traffic between two cities, correct? It wouldn't account for pax that would connect from those cities to other destinations around the PNW and to ANC(maybe even to SEA depending on loads)?
I could see the cities listed that have more than 100 pdew surviving as a single daily year round on a 738 or 73G when connections in PDX are accounted for.

Sure, but you'll almost certainly lose more pax than you gain. There are very few logical connections from a west coast domestic hub to the east while there are plenty of potential one stops via SLC, DEN, PHX, ORD, etc.

jbpdx · Thu Aug 03, 2017 6:02 pm

Best Domestic Airport

Portland International Airport has taken the No. 1 spot as the best domestic airport in this year’s Travel + Leisure magazine's World’s Best Awards, making this the fifth year in a row the airport has been voted as America’s best.

"But for the fifth year in a row, it’s Portland International Airport that has claimed the top spot, thanks to its easy navigation, local artworks, and culinary offerings, which reflect the city’s dining scene."

Some confusion in their articles whether it's the 4th or 5th time.

msycajun · Thu Aug 03, 2017 6:31 pm

doug_or wrote:
PDX757 wrote:
Pardon my ignorance, but pdew only accounts for traffic between two cities, correct? It wouldn't account for pax that would connect from those cities to other destinations around the PNW and to ANC(maybe even to SEA depending on loads)?
I could see the cities listed that have more than 100 pdew surviving as a single daily year round on a 738 or 73G when connections in PDX are accounted for.

Sure, but you'll almost certainly lose more pax than you gain. There are very few logical connections from a west coast domestic hub to the east while there are plenty of potential one stops via SLC, DEN, PHX, ORD, etc.

How would they lose passengers? Sure, most nonstops are not going to capture all of the O&D. However there is usually significant stimulation of the market when a nonstop is started, so those factors roughly cancel out.

Take, for example, the MSY market. Right now AS flies mostly 739s to SEA with routinely 90+% load factors, yet they only capture about half of the MSY-SEA O&D (and about 10% of the MSY-PDX market) because they only offer one option per day. Right now it's a morning SEA departure and evening MSY departure - not really optimized for connections. If they ran a morning MSY-PDX and an afternoon PDX-MSY, they could capture most of the PDX market and a big chunk of the remaining MSY-SEA O&D, not to mention a bigger share of the smaller PNW, Canadian and Alaskan markets.

jbpdx · Thu Aug 03, 2017 6:53 pm

Smoke from wildfires is causing delays and cancellations at PDX.

doug_or · Fri Aug 04, 2017 12:10 am

msycajun wrote:
doug_or wrote:
PDX757 wrote:
Pardon my ignorance, but pdew only accounts for traffic between two cities, correct? It wouldn't account for pax that would connect from those cities to other destinations around the PNW and to ANC(maybe even to SEA depending on loads)?
I could see the cities listed that have more than 100 pdew surviving as a single daily year round on a 738 or 73G when connections in PDX are accounted for.

Sure, but you'll almost certainly lose more pax than you gain. There are very few logical connections from a west coast domestic hub to the east while there are plenty of potential one stops via SLC, DEN, PHX, ORD, etc.

How would they lose passengers? Sure, most nonstops are not going to capture all of the O&D. However there is usually significant stimulation of the market when a nonstop is started, so those factors roughly cancel out.

Take, for example, the MSY market. Right now AS flies mostly 739s to SEA with routinely 90+% load factors, yet they only capture about half of the MSY-SEA O&D (and about 10% of the MSY-PDX market) because they only offer one option per day. Right now it's a morning SEA departure and evening MSY departure - not really optimized for connections. If they ran a morning MSY-PDX and an afternoon PDX-MSY, they could capture most of the PDX market and a big chunk of the remaining MSY-SEA O&D, not to mention a bigger share of the smaller PNW, Canadian and Alaskan markets.

Sounds like you've got it. You can't capture the entire market with a single flight. If the market is as big as SEA is you can afford to lose some. You're right that having SEA and PDX will offer some synergy, but filling 180 seats in a sub 100 PDEW market is hard without much meaningful feed.

jbpdx · Fri Aug 04, 2017 1:49 pm

Another day of smoke/haze in Portland. Dozens of delays. Lots of cancellations esp Alaska to Seattle. Portland (105F) was hotter than Las Vegas (98F) yesterday.

jbpdx · Fri Aug 04, 2017 10:09 pm

Making plans for fall, I found (on Skyscanner) Spirit is adding a 2nd PDX-LAS from 7 Sept. Fares have been high. This should help.

LAS 10:55 PDX 13:14
PDX 14:02 LAS 16:12

[WN 4x, AS 3x, NK 2x]

RWA380 · Fri Aug 04, 2017 11:24 pm

I was booking for a trip next year to Washington D.C. & I am using upgrades on AS. The connection via SEA was $385.00 & the connection in DAL was $300.00.

Is AS charging less for travel on the ERJ, or is AS trying to route passengers via DAL, or both?

910A · Sat Aug 05, 2017 12:19 am

PenAir is dropping all flights out of PDX except for CEC.

Humboldt is not the only airport PenAir is quitting. Jacobs said she was told that the airline told her they would be leaving all non-essential air service markets in the lower 48 states — for those keeping score, that means Crescent City will keep its cheap flights to Portland. Jacobs said one of the main issues affecting PenAir is a national pilot shortage.

“The mandatory retirement age for pilots is 65. It’s such a large population that pilots are retiring – hundreds by the day. The major airlines are hiring pilots from the regional airlines.”

https://lostcoastoutpost.com/2017/aug/4 ... s-no-more/

flyoregon · Sat Aug 05, 2017 12:28 am

So after all of that for the PDX-LMT flight, they're dropping it. So that also means no more OTH to PDX flights?

910A · Sat Aug 05, 2017 12:48 am

flyoregon wrote:
So after all of that for the PDX-LMT flight, they're dropping it. So that also means no more OTH to PDX flights?

That's correct, only CEC will remain out of PDX.

flyoregon · Sat Aug 05, 2017 1:04 am

910A wrote:
flyoregon wrote:
So after all of that for the PDX-LMT flight, they're dropping it. So that also means no more OTH to PDX flights?

That's correct, only CEC will remain out of PDX.

What were loads like from PDX to OTH/LMT? Were there days that were busier than others?

jbpdx · Sat Aug 05, 2017 1:12 am

PenAir had a load factor of 50% at PDX in June 2017. Passenger traffic was up 250% over June 2016.

BoeingGuy · Sat Aug 05, 2017 1:17 am

910A wrote:
flyoregon wrote:
So after all of that for the PDX-LMT flight, they're dropping it. So that also means no more OTH to PDX flights?

That's correct, only CEC will remain out of PDX.

Will someone else pick up LMT? That was convenient to visit my dad. However, there were very unreliable in my experience and most of their PDX employees were a joke, like not even know flight times or how to deal with IROPS.

jbpdx · Sat Aug 05, 2017 1:26 am

Sounds like this pilot shortage situation is going to get worse and really start hitting the regionals hard.

910A · Sat Aug 05, 2017 1:26 am

BoeingGuy wrote:
910A wrote:
flyoregon wrote:
So after all of that for the PDX-LMT flight, they're dropping it. So that also means no more OTH to PDX flights?

That's correct, only CEC will remain out of PDX.

Will someone else pick up LMT? That was convenient to visit my dad. However, there were very unreliable in my experience and most of their PDX employees were a joke, like not even know flight times or how to deal with IROPS.

I doubt it..Without EAS money and a small population base I can't see how anyone can make a profit operating this route.

pdxav8r · Sat Aug 05, 2017 4:57 am

910A wrote:
BoeingGuy wrote:
910A wrote:

That's correct, only CEC will remain out of PDX.

Will someone else pick up LMT? That was convenient to visit my dad. However, there were very unreliable in my experience and most of their PDX employees were a joke, like not even know flight times or how to deal with IROPS.

I doubt it..Without EAS money and a small population base I can't see how anyone can make a profit operating this route.

Wasn't really convinced this service would be long term anyway. Without knowing the operating costs with 50% load factors, still seems like it was doomed. Sad for the people that have to drive whatever distances to get aboard a plane. Small markets are just not profitable enough, even with record revenues for most airlines. I don't see how Penn can do only CEC from PDX. With their track record of reliability, any given day may have all flights cancelled (assuming two round trips/day). Most likely only one plane for dedicated service. With their record, god help you getting to your desired destination within 24 hours.

pdx · Sat Aug 05, 2017 5:16 am

910A wrote:
flyoregon wrote:
So after all of that for the PDX-LMT flight, they're dropping it. So that also means no more OTH to PDX flights?

That's correct, only CEC will remain out of PDX.

I doubt they'll stay in PDX with one route. Is it really a pilot shortage or are they just a loser airline that doesn't know what they're doing?

910A · Sat Aug 05, 2017 2:06 pm

Here is the press release from KS

Alaska-based PenAir cancels Pacific Northwest area air service
Effective Tuesday, August 8, 2017, PenAir will cease operations of all non-EAS routes in the Pacific Northwest. This includes air travel on PenAir between Portland and Redding, Eureka/Arcata, North Bend/Coos Bay or Klamath Falls. The last scheduled flights in and out of Portland will be Monday, August 7. Flights operated by PenAir between Portland and Crescent City will continue as scheduled.

“The steps we are taking with closing Portland area routes will allow PenAir to cut costs, while management continues its focus on financial stability and safe operations,” said PenAir CEO and Chairman Danny Seybert.

PenAir flies to eight destinations within Alaska, as well as the Denver and Boston areas. Passengers on all other routes can expect continued operations with no changes to flight times or services.

Passengers scheduled to fly out of the Portland markets after August 7, may contact the airline at 800-448-4226.

jbpdx · Sat Aug 05, 2017 6:05 pm

Not sure why PDX isn't playing this up yet? Fifth year in a row. Travel+Leisure.

What Makes Portland International the Best Airport in the U.S.?

http://www.travelandleisure.com/worlds- ... ernational

http://www.travelandleisure.com/worlds- ... love-field

Slug71 · Sat Aug 05, 2017 6:13 pm

Sucks that Klamath Falls is losing air service again.

Chugach · Sat Aug 05, 2017 8:07 pm

pdx wrote:
Is it really a pilot shortage or are they just a loser airline that doesn't know what they're doing?

They've been in business since 1955 and cut their teeth flying in some of the worst weather on the planet. This isn't Seaport we're talking about here.

Bummed to see this PDX experiment fall apart for them. There are a lot of smaller Pac NW markets that QX abandoned when they went all Q400 that could use service, but the market dynamics have shifted in the last 10-15 years.

pdx · Sun Aug 06, 2017 12:15 am

Chugach wrote:
pdx wrote:
Is it really a pilot shortage or are they just a loser airline that doesn't know what they're doing?

They've been in business since 1955 and cut their teeth flying in some of the worst weather on the planet. This isn't Seaport we're talking about here.

Bummed to see this PDX experiment fall apart for them. There are a lot of smaller Pac NW markets that QX abandoned when they went all Q400 that could use service, but the market dynamics have shifted in the last 10-15 years.

Yah, we all knew SeaPort wouldn't last, but I thought PenAir might. I don't think they did their homework. Too bad.

PDX757 · Sun Aug 06, 2017 1:33 am

It's a shame Penair couldn't make it work. Maybe Boutique will step in and pick up some of the routes?

jbpdx · Sun Aug 06, 2017 2:50 am

Seems like a 10- to 15-seat plane (Pilatus?) might be the sweet spot for these former PenAir routes---if anyone wants the market.

RWA380 · Sun Aug 06, 2017 8:56 am

PDX757 wrote:
It's a shame Penair couldn't make it work. Maybe Boutique will step in and pick up some of the routes?

I have been thinking the same thing, since hearing this news. Boutique has PDX-PDT, so they have a station, but IIRC Boutique is more about chasing the subsidy routes. I think we need to accept it, QX isn't going to fly any of these routes, unless Boutique takes them on, they'll likely not be flown again.

I know if KS had any level of reliability, they'd be keeping travellers. They have old prop planes & lots of ferry flights for maintenance. They have been combining flights, LMT & OTH, RDD & ACV & a few variations more.

The tie-in with AS was a boost for them, but once again if you strand people 8 hours from home (by car) you won't have them rely on you next time they book. It is sad, many of these places have struggled obtaining a Portland connection after QX left & they got one, only to be SeaPorted in the end.

bigfoot0503 · Mon Aug 07, 2017 9:44 pm

Flew this past weekend out of PDX thru SEA to Calgary. First note, love the new shops and restaurants at PDX; T.L.E., Tamale Boy, Portland Roasters, etc. Also really like the flow of the new exits off the north and south concourses for arriving passengers. Second note, saw N217AG (SkyWest/Alaska CR7) still in use. Is this an indication of the schedule/staffing issues at Horizon? I knew that some flying was being accomplished by Alaska swapping in some of their equipment and SkyWest doing the same. I know there is a thread that has discussed this issue, just was really surprised to see an Alaska CR7 still out there.

doug_or · Mon Aug 07, 2017 10:00 pm

Yes, this is the second time this year that the -700s have come out of storage to cover for Horizon.

ooslc · Mon Aug 07, 2017 10:11 pm

doug_or wrote:
Yes, this is the second time this year that the -700s have come out of storage to cover for Horizon.

Is OO gonna put a couple generic -200s online for AS as well? I see in October a bunch of the SEA-PDX flights are operated by a CRJ. SEA-PDX is going to be a mix of everything, 737, E75, DH8, CRJ, and CR7. On the Tuesday I looked at there are only 8 DH8s and 1 E75 operated by Horizon. That's out of 23 flights that day. It must be bad at QX.

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