Oregon Aviation Thread - 2017

jetmatt777 · Tue Apr 04, 2017 1:57 pm

ucdtim17 wrote:
Anyone know why FedEx Cessnas generally land on runway 3 at PDX instead of the normal 10/28s? http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N850 ... /KEUG/KPDX

They fly right over downtown along the river on the way up to the airport. Are they too slow to mix it up with regular traffic? Or too much separation needed for wake turbulence? Is the runway just more convenient for the FedEx facility there? Something else?

I believe it is more convenient for everyone: pilots and ATC. It's a short taxi to the fedex pad, and it keeps them out of the way of the faster jet traffic.

nmraja · Tue Apr 04, 2017 3:19 pm

I had seen the FedEx Cessnas taking off from the Southern runway, but had never seen a landing.

jbpdx · Wed Apr 05, 2017 1:00 am

According to Travel Portland, there are as many tourists coming to Portland from China as from Japan, about 50,000/year, and that was in 2014. They also show tourism to Portland from China growing at three times the rate as from Japan. A nonstop from China can't be far off (China Southern?) 100% of those passengers are having to connect (SEA, SFO, LAX)

The reopening of the expanded Portland Japanese Garden could significantly increase traffic to Portland from Japan this year. (Delta currently flying 226-seat 767 PDX-NRT.) If JAL wants to make its move on Delta at PDX, which is losing the Alaska tie-in, this might be a good time. I still think OneWorld, which is gaining the Alaska tie-in via AA, has plans for PDX.

Dreamflight767 · Wed Apr 05, 2017 1:09 am

jetmatt777 wrote:
ucdtim17 wrote:
Anyone know why FedEx Cessnas generally land on runway 3 at PDX instead of the normal 10/28s? http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N850 ... /KEUG/KPDX

They fly right over downtown along the river on the way up to the airport. Are they too slow to mix it up with regular traffic? Or too much separation needed for wake turbulence? Is the runway just more convenient for the FedEx facility there? Something else?

I believe it is more convenient for everyone: pilots and ATC. It's a short taxi to the fedex pad, and it keeps them out of the way of the faster jet traffic.

Yeah, the "Empire" and "Amflight" guys/girls can just dump the airplane on RY3 and taxi off to the ramp much faster. Plus, ATC just needs to protect the RY intersections instead of needing to worry about RY separation and mixing the faster A/C with the props.

The props. land on the south RY frequently, especially when the visibility is low or RY3/21 hasn't been treated for contamination. There are a few other reasons but I'm not too sure I'm allowed to share.

flyoregon · Wed Apr 05, 2017 2:37 am

jbpdx wrote:
According to Travel Portland, there are as many tourists coming to Portland from China as from Japan, about 50,000/year, and that was in 2014. They also show tourism to Portland from China growing at three times the rate as from Japan. A nonstop from China can't be far off (China Southern?) 100% of those passengers are having to connect (SEA, SFO, LAX)

The reopening of the expanded Portland Japanese Garden could significantly increase traffic to Portland from Japan this year. (Delta currently flying 226-seat 767 PDX-NRT.) If JAL wants to make its move on Delta at PDX, which is losing the Alaska tie-in, this might be a good time. I still think OneWorld, which is gaining the Alaska tie-in via AA, has plans for PDX.

I totally agree that OW and/or American have plans for Portland to compliment Alaska. I have an unverifiable hunch that OW/AA want's to make PDX a reliever to LAX for TPAC flights. Doubt it will happen, but it's fun to think about. Didn't AA move gates to the end of 'C'? There's wide body room down there right? I think the PoP should put customs on 'C' also.

Do you have a link to the TravelPortland info? Would be interesting to see.

ANA787 · Wed Apr 05, 2017 2:58 pm

AS has just announced daily year round PDX-JFK and PDX-DTW! Great adds and well overdue!

https://newsroom.alaskaair.com/2017-04- ... os-Angeles

pdxswa · Wed Apr 05, 2017 4:23 pm

AS has a very large presence here at PDX.

lhpdx · Wed Apr 05, 2017 4:28 pm

AS has just announced daily year round PDX-JFK and PDX-DTW! Great adds and well overdue!

https://newsroom.alaskaair.com/2017-04- ... os-Angeles

This is wonderful news!! It's been great watching AS connect the dots and steadily grow at it's PDX hub the past few years....I wonder what other routes are they considering??

ANA787 · Wed Apr 05, 2017 4:55 pm

lhpdx wrote:

This is wonderful news!! It's been great watching AS connect the dots and steadily grow at it's PDX hub the past few years....I wonder what other routes are they considering??

The resumption of PDX-DEN can't be far off, this is a big hole in the network. 3x daily E175 route? I could also see PDX-SAT with an E175.

Future AS route from PDX?
PDX-DEN-3x daily E175 route? (largest market from PDX not currently served by AS)
PDX-SAT- 1x daily E175
PDX-IAH- 1x daily 738
PDX-MSY- 1x daily 738
PDX-BNA- 1x daily 738
PDX-FLL/TPA perhaps?

lhpdx · Wed Apr 05, 2017 5:45 pm

ANA787 wrote:
lhpdx wrote:

This is wonderful news!! It's been great watching AS connect the dots and steadily grow at it's PDX hub the past few years....I wonder what other routes are they considering??

The resumption of PDX-DEN can't be far off, this is a big hole in the network. 3x daily E175 route? I could also see PDX-SAT with an E175.

Future AS route from PDX?
PDX-DEN-3x daily E175 route? (largest market from PDX not currently served by AS)
PDX-SAT- 1x daily E175
PDX-IAH- 1x daily 738
PDX-MSY- 1x daily 738
PDX-BNA- 1x daily 738
PDX-FLL/TPA perhaps?

I would also love to see AS/QX add new regional flights from PDX to Helena, Great falls,Fairbanks,Wanatchee, Pullman and Edmonton.............

UnitedFlyer · Thu Apr 06, 2017 3:22 am

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q ... 6398,d.cGc

Great news for MFR!

RWA380 · Thu Apr 06, 2017 4:02 am

lhpdx wrote:
AS has just announced daily year round PDX-JFK and PDX-DTW! Great adds and well overdue!

https://newsroom.alaskaair.com/2017-04- ... os-Angeles

This is wonderful news!! It's been great watching AS connect the dots and steadily grow at it's PDX hub the past few years....I wonder what other routes are they considering??

I saw JFK coming that was a given, but the DTW flight is needed year round. DL could easily fill a A-320 or 738 a day, but even from their 2nd largest hub we have seasonal (at best) service. Good for AS keeping Portlanders on AS.

If I was a betting man, I'd say FLL is on the front burner from PDX, with some more connections from hubs in California to points East.

pnwpdx · Thu Apr 06, 2017 5:34 am

RWA380 wrote:
lhpdx wrote:
AS has just announced daily year round PDX-JFK and PDX-DTW! Great adds and well overdue!

https://newsroom.alaskaair.com/2017-04- ... os-Angeles

This is wonderful news!! It's been great watching AS connect the dots and steadily grow at it's PDX hub the past few years....I wonder what other routes are they considering??

I saw JFK coming that was a given, but the DTW flight is needed year round. DL could easily fill a A-320 or 738 a day, but even from their 2nd largest hub we have seasonal (at best) service. Good for AS keeping Portlanders on AS.

If I was a betting man, I'd say FLL is on the front burner from PDX, with some more connections from hubs in California to points East.

Does anyone else think Delta will add more frequency to their PDX-DTW route with this announcement?

kon · Thu Apr 06, 2017 6:00 am

ANA787 wrote:
AS has just announced daily year round PDX-JFK and PDX-DTW! Great adds and well overdue!

https://newsroom.alaskaair.com/2017-04- ... os-Angeles

Alaska is doing some impressive growth this year. I assumed the SoCal adds would be the end for a while, but they just keep going! Hope to fly the new DTW route as soon as I can.

bigfoot0503 · Thu Apr 06, 2017 7:55 pm

pnwpdx wrote:
RWA380 wrote:
lhpdx wrote:
AS has just announced daily year round PDX-JFK and PDX-DTW! Great adds and well overdue!

https://newsroom.alaskaair.com/2017-04- ... os-Angeles

This is wonderful news!! It's been great watching AS connect the dots and steadily grow at it's PDX hub the past few years....I wonder what other routes are they considering??

I saw JFK coming that was a given, but the DTW flight is needed year round. DL could easily fill a A-320 or 738 a day, but even from their 2nd largest hub we have seasonal (at best) service. Good for AS keeping Portlanders on AS.

If I was a betting man, I'd say FLL is on the front burner from PDX, with some more connections from hubs in California to points East.

Does anyone else think Delta will add more frequency to their PDX-DTW route with this announcement?

Not sure about an increase in frequency. I do know that the PDX-DTW route on DL will be operated with an A321 for the first time. I usually take the DL PDX-DTW flight at least 3-4 times/year and from my perspective I've never understood why the flight is not year-round.

flyoregon · Thu Apr 06, 2017 8:23 pm

UnitedFlyer wrote:
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=newssearch&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjJ7uqB747TAhUO4mMKHSUjDTwQqQIIGigAMAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.kdrv.com%2Fstory%2F35070569%2Fmedford-airport-welcomes-back-airbuses-737s&usg=AFQjCNHwD4uln94RgNpTtgeVlIZhvi4GOQ&bvm=bv.151426398,d.cGc

Great news for MFR!

Not the best journalism. Like them or not, Allegiant's been flying A319's to MFR for a little while.

ucdtim17 · Fri Apr 07, 2017 3:09 pm

Interesting day at PDX today. South winds gusting to 53 so far, runway 21 in action http://flightaware.com/live/flight/ASA3381

AS575 made two tries now heading to Seattle http://flightaware.com/live/flight/ASA575

32andBelow · Fri Apr 07, 2017 10:29 pm

ucdtim17 wrote:
Interesting day at PDX today. South winds gusting to 53 so far, runway 21 in action http://flightaware.com/live/flight/ASA3381

AS575 made two tries now heading to Seattle http://flightaware.com/live/flight/ASA575

Came into PDX in an SF3 a few hour ago. Sporty at best.

pdx · Sat Apr 08, 2017 5:21 am

32andBelow wrote:
ucdtim17 wrote:
Interesting day at PDX today. South winds gusting to 53 so far, runway 21 in action http://flightaware.com/live/flight/ASA3381

AS575 made two tries now heading to Seattle http://flightaware.com/live/flight/ASA575

Came into PDX in an SF3 a few hour ago. Sporty at best.

Checked DL's flifo earlier and found one of their SLC and their NRT flight diverted to SEA. Must've been others with 53 mph gusts? Pretty sure they won't land in that. Saw aircraft landing on 21 from Mill Plain Blvd in Vancouver. Bravery required to fly the SF3 today! How's KS btw??

ucdtim17 · Sat Apr 08, 2017 2:40 pm

pdx wrote:
32andBelow wrote:
ucdtim17 wrote:
Interesting day at PDX today. South winds gusting to 53 so far, runway 21 in action http://flightaware.com/live/flight/ASA3381

AS575 made two tries now heading to Seattle http://flightaware.com/live/flight/ASA575

Came into PDX in an SF3 a few hour ago. Sporty at best.

Checked DL's flifo earlier and found one of their SLC and their NRT flight diverted to SEA. Must've been others with 53 mph gusts? Pretty sure they won't land in that. Saw aircraft landing on 21 from Mill Plain Blvd in Vancouver. Bravery required to fly the SF3 today! How's KS btw??

The A330 from AMS was going to head to EUG if they didn't get in on first try on 10R. They got it down though.

pdxswa · Tue Apr 11, 2017 2:49 pm

Always nice to see the queen of the skies here at PDX. Boeing 58 departing 28L after being painted here.

ANA787 · Thu Apr 13, 2017 2:35 pm

AS adds PDX-DAL

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1360351

lhpdx · Thu Apr 13, 2017 8:28 pm

PDX CC-E extension update:

Air Canada has moved to D2 and E5 is now closed...The area where the future extension will be is now barricaded off and you can now see how much physical area it will actually cover..................

flyoregon · Fri Apr 14, 2017 12:59 am

Last year, Delta was operating a 763 JFK-PDX-JFK as well as ATL-PDX (one of which continued on to NRT and vice versa I believe).

Why was there such in increase in seats, especially to JFK, last year, but not this year?

doug_or · Fri Apr 14, 2017 1:00 am

Was the JFK 763 daily or a once weekly equipment rotation?

flyoregon · Fri Apr 14, 2017 2:54 am

doug_or wrote:
Was the JFK 763 daily or a once weekly equipment rotation?

I think it was daily, but could be mistaken.

kunta67 · Fri Apr 14, 2017 3:28 am

doug_or wrote:
Was the JFK 763 daily or a once weekly equipment rotation?

It would rotate NRT-PDX-JFK-Europe and the return would be JFK-PDX-NRT

pnwpdx · Fri Apr 14, 2017 3:44 am

kunta67 wrote:
doug_or wrote:
Was the JFK 763 daily or a once weekly equipment rotation?

It would rotate NRT-PDX-JFK-Europe and the return would be JFK-PDX-NRT

I'm certain this route was daily M-F on the 763. It lasted for a couple of months. This year it looks like they have 757's on the route. Is DL using 763's on their mid day ATL flights this year?

lhpdx · Fri Apr 14, 2017 4:21 pm

PDX CC-E extension update:

E-5 jetway is being removed today................

bigfoot0503 · Fri Apr 14, 2017 6:40 pm

pnwpdx wrote:
kunta67 wrote:
doug_or wrote:
Was the JFK 763 daily or a once weekly equipment rotation?

It would rotate NRT-PDX-JFK-Europe and the return would be JFK-PDX-NRT

I'm certain this route was daily M-F on the 763. It lasted for a couple of months. This year it looks like they have 757's on the route. Is DL using 763's on their mid day ATL flights this year?

Thus far I've noted the mid day DL ATL departure has been a mix of B757-200 and B757-300 series aircraft for DL. Looking ahead to mid June and early July it appears that the mid day ATL flight is mostly a B737-900ER. The schedule seems to change every year in terms of the mix of aircraft we see...not so much the time of departures as those have remained fairly consistent. The last two or three summers PDX has witnessed B767, B757-300, B757-200 and B737-900 on the ATL & JFK routes. I for one am looking forward to the A321 on the DTW route.

pdxswa · Sat Apr 15, 2017 4:54 pm

Construction for the new terminal will start on 17th of April. Light posts have been removed. The taxiway will be extended further east.

pdxswa · Sat Apr 15, 2017 4:54 pm

The paint hangar is alive and well here at PDX.

ANA787 · Sat Apr 15, 2017 7:30 pm

pnwpdx wrote:
RWA380 wrote:
lhpdx wrote:
AS has just announced daily year round PDX-JFK and PDX-DTW! Great adds and well overdue!

https://newsroom.alaskaair.com/2017-04- ... os-Angeles

This is wonderful news!! It's been great watching AS connect the dots and steadily grow at it's PDX hub the past few years....I wonder what other routes are they considering??

I saw JFK coming that was a given, but the DTW flight is needed year round. DL could easily fill a A-320 or 738 a day, but even from their 2nd largest hub we have seasonal (at best) service. Good for AS keeping Portlanders on AS.

If I was a betting man, I'd say FLL is on the front burner from PDX, with some more connections from hubs in California to points East.

Does anyone else think Delta will add more frequency to their PDX-DTW route with this announcement?

DL has just responded by adding more frequency to PDX-DTW: DL is adding another PDX-DTW flight making this market 2x daily starting just 1 day before the new AS PDX-DTW flight. Daytime PDX-DTW flight and morning DTW-PDX flight.

Overall PDX-DTW is going from 1x daily to 3x daily on both AS and DL.

lhpdx · Sat Apr 15, 2017 8:27 pm

pdxswa wrote:
Construction for the new terminal will start on 17th of April. Light posts have been removed. The taxiway will be extended further east.

.. Finally now we have an official start date for the CC-E Extension construction....Hopefully soon well get to see a revised rendering of the extension........Thanks for the heads up pdxswa...

lakeeffect · Sat Apr 15, 2017 8:40 pm

Frontier's CLE-PDX nonstop was extended to the end of their booking window through the beginning of November. Last year this route ended mid August. Bookings must be good for this to continue past the peak summer season. Equipment is an A321.

CrisAA · Fri Apr 21, 2017 12:59 am

Does anyone know what's going on near the south runway by the cell phone waiting lot? Drove by earlier and there were a few tractors out there digging and some larger dirt trucks hauling stuff out.

jbpdx · Fri Apr 21, 2017 5:49 am

I'm getting Air France ads on here frequently the past few days. Are they targeting certain regions or is this across the board?

jbpdx · Sat Apr 22, 2017 6:14 pm

PDX-KEF Icelandair is now 6 days a week from mid-June thru mid-August. They had originally announced 5x.

flyoregon · Sat Apr 22, 2017 6:58 pm

CrisAA wrote:
Does anyone know what's going on near the south runway by the cell phone waiting lot? Drove by earlier and there were a few tractors out there digging and some larger dirt trucks hauling stuff out.

They're building a MUCH better and improved cell phone waiting area, with reader boards, a gas station, and I hear a Taco Bell! 'Bout time the PoP builds a respectable waiting area.

flyoregon · Sat Apr 22, 2017 7:00 pm

jbpdx wrote:
I'm getting Air France ads on here frequently the past few days. Are they targeting certain regions or is this across the board?

What does the ad say? Anything about Portland? If not, I'm assuming it's just a general ad targeting whoever.

CrisAA · Sat Apr 22, 2017 10:01 pm

flyoregon wrote:
CrisAA wrote:
Does anyone know what's going on near the south runway by the cell phone waiting lot? Drove by earlier and there were a few tractors out there digging and some larger dirt trucks hauling stuff out.

They're building a MUCH better and improved cell phone waiting area, with reader boards, a gas station, and I hear a Taco Bell! 'Bout time the PoP builds a respectable waiting area.

I mean behind the cargo buildings. Looks like either runway work (which I don't think it is because of planes landing and taking off) or taxiway work?

lhpdx · Sat Apr 22, 2017 10:41 pm

CrisAA wrote:
flyoregon wrote:
CrisAA wrote:
Does anyone know what's going on near the south runway by the cell phone waiting lot? Drove by earlier and there were a few tractors out there digging and some larger dirt trucks hauling stuff out.

They're building a MUCH better and improved cell phone waiting area, with reader boards, a gas station, and I hear a Taco Bell! 'Bout time the PoP builds a respectable waiting area.

I mean behind the cargo buildings. Looks like either runway work (which I don't think it is because of planes landing and taking off) or taxiway work?

They're working on taxiway B connectors.

WEPDX · Sun Apr 23, 2017 12:54 am

new post office is being built east of the guard base.

flyoregon · Sun Apr 23, 2017 3:57 pm

Air Canada Rogue 767-300 inbound to PDX from YVR as Rogue 7099...anyone know why?

jbpdx · Sun Apr 23, 2017 6:10 pm

Vancouver played the Timbers but that was Saturday in Portland.

jbpdx · Sun Apr 23, 2017 6:24 pm

Volaris is increasing frequency in July PDX to Guadalajara. It shows 0.4>0.6. Does that mean 6 days a week? It's 4 days a week now. Some cities are showing cutbacks US-Mexico, probably due to the Trump slump.

jbpdx · Sun Apr 23, 2017 6:47 pm

flyoregon wrote:
Air Canada Rogue 767-300 inbound to PDX from YVR as Rogue 7099...anyone know why?

I find AC 1999 scheduled about now leaving PDX for Honolulu using the same 767, I assume.

Wingtips56 · Sun Apr 23, 2017 10:09 pm

There was a thread going on the Rouge diversion last night. A poster suggested smoke in the aft galley area. Looks like it was originally headed for EUG but went to PDX (which makes more sense). FlightAware posted EUG, but you can see on the map it went to PDX.

Wingtips56 · Sun Apr 23, 2017 10:16 pm

Well it looks like MFR may be losing the UA mainline to SFO. :indifferent:

Per Enilria's weekly OAG report (I wait all week for that), service goes up in August (UA SFO-MFR AUG 4>6), with 2 mainline and 4 expresses, but I just looked at UA's website in for bookings in September; it shows only 4x daily, and with the CRJ-200 no less. Big fall-back if true. May need to wait for next weekends schedule change run in the UA system to see; perhaps these are just placeholders for the time being.

jbpdx · Mon Apr 24, 2017 8:31 pm

flyoregon wrote:
jbpdx wrote:
I'm getting Air France ads on here frequently the past few days. Are they targeting certain regions or is this across the board?

What does the ad say? Anything about Portland? If not, I'm assuming it's just a general ad targeting whoever.

I deleted cookies for AF and they still keep popping up. They can target by IP address. Wondered if all geog regions are getting the ads or just select areas.

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