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Re: STL Air Service Discussion

Sat Jan 28, 2017 3:26 pm

Jshank83 wrote:
Just missed 14 mil.

Final number for 2016 13,959,126.

Top 10 airports in growing capacity at 9.1%

If we add in midamerica we can say its over 14 mil for the region though seeing some airports (like MCI, CLE, etc) have allegiant at their main airport


http://flystl.com/Newsroom/Blog/tabid/4 ... -2016.aspx



does anyone think G4 would ever move to STL? or are they happy at mid america?
 
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Re: STL Air Service Discussion

Sat Jan 28, 2017 4:15 pm

CIDFlyer wrote:


does anyone think G4 would ever move to STL? or are they happy at mid america?


I think MidAmerica is probably giving them a really good deal. I would expect landing fees are a lot lower. G4 also seems happy to be in secondary airports in a lot of markets.
 
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Re: STL Air Service Discussion

Mon Feb 06, 2017 5:48 pm

http://www.gatewaystreets.org/2017/visi ... t-airport/

New article/blog talking about some of airports long term plans. Demolishing and rebuilding the concourse areas of T1 is part of it. T2 stuff as well.
 
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Re: STL Air Service Discussion

Mon Feb 06, 2017 6:42 pm

Jshank83 wrote:
http://www.gatewaystreets.org/2017/visions-of-new-concourses-at-lambert-airport/

New article/blog talking about some of airports long term plans. Demolishing and rebuilding the concourse areas of T1 is part of it. T2 stuff as well.


The demo and rebuild of T1, in my opinion is a pipe dream. The $70 million renovation to they just completed to make it less of a dungeon is pretty much evidence of that.

I could not see a hotel being part of the terminal either. Now, we DO need more parking at T2. That little mess of a garage is a nightmare. I don't park there when I travel because it is always full, and like my Parking Spot 1 place.
 
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Re: STL Air Service Discussion

Mon Feb 06, 2017 6:59 pm

TWA302 wrote:

The demo and rebuild of T1, in my opinion is a pipe dream. The $70 million renovation to they just completed to make it less of a dungeon is pretty much evidence of that.

I could not see a hotel being part of the terminal either. Now, we DO need more parking at T2. That little mess of a garage is a nightmare. I don't park there when I travel because it is always full, and like my Parking Spot 1 place.


I would tend to agree, this has to be some really really long term plans. I haven't had many issues when parking in T2 but I have seen the complaints about it being full so the demand must be there. It is a weird garage. I only park there sometimes when I want to pick someone up and go inside to help them. For me expanding doesn't matter because I am going to park in a cheaper lot anyways for my trips.
 
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Re: STL Air Service Discussion

Tue Feb 07, 2017 2:53 pm

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Smart move, in the long run it will be cheaper to rebuild concourses. Its a similar to the design Love Field and Houston Hobby uses too. Simple yet adequate. Concourse D should come down too, though not necessarily building a hotel there.
 
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Re: STL Air Service Discussion

Tue Feb 07, 2017 4:09 pm

william wrote:
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Smart move, in the long run it will be cheaper to rebuild concourses. Its a similar to the design Love Field and Houston Hobby uses too. Simple yet adequate. Concourse D should come down too, though not necessarily building a hotel there.


Agreed, although I don't how they will pay for it though. I have long been an advocate for a linear concourse at Terminal One, as the infrastructure of the concourses themselves is some 40+ years old and 60+ if you go to ground level.

And as far as D coming down, it is cheaper to leave in place mothballed than to tear it down unless there is a definitive revenue generating plan in mind, additional parking for T2 would be a welcome sight..
 
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Re: STL Air Service Discussion

Tue Feb 07, 2017 4:29 pm

BHMNONREV wrote:


And as far as D coming down, it is cheaper to leave in place mothballed than to tear it down unless there is a definitive revenue generating plan in mind, additional parking for T2 would be a welcome sight..


And now that they are starting to remodel it, I figure there is even less of a chance of them tearing it down.
 
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Re: STL Air Service Discussion

Tue Feb 07, 2017 5:32 pm

Why not tear down Concourse A if its too close to the taxi way? Move the tenants to C or D.
 
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Re: STL Air Service Discussion

Tue Feb 07, 2017 5:46 pm

Jshank83 wrote:
BHMNONREV wrote:


And as far as D coming down, it is cheaper to leave in place mothballed than to tear it down unless there is a definitive revenue generating plan in mind, additional parking for T2 would be a welcome sight..


And now that they are starting to remodel it, I figure there is even less of a chance of them tearing it down.


What they are doing is slapping a bit of lipstick on the pig, just some paint, tile and new signage. I wouldn't think that will stop them when the time comes

william wrote:
Why not tear down Concourse A if its too close to the taxi way? Move the tenants to C or D.


Actually the northern perimeter of all the concourses are too close to the taxiway, which resulted in operational hell during the hub days but I should think it is not too bad now.
 
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Re: STL Air Service Discussion

Wed Feb 08, 2017 7:50 pm

I know it's been talked about a lot, but the reason there is such a massive volume of UAX flights in STL is because both Trans States and GoJet have crew and maintanence bases here, which means planes get rotated in and out pretty often. I'm sure some of the routes could support larger planes, but I guess they figure the added frequency that comes from running more regional flights (not to mention operational efficiency) makes this situation tenable.
 
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Re: STL Air Service Discussion

Wed Feb 08, 2017 8:07 pm

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I know it's been talked about a lot, but the reason there is such a massive volume of UAX flights in STL is because both Trans States and GoJet have crew and maintanence bases here, which means planes get rotated in and out pretty often. I'm sure some of the routes could support larger planes, but I guess they figure the added frequency that comes from running more regional flights (not to mention operational efficiency) makes this situation tenable.


That is why I figured we have so many ERJ145 flights. Those planes are terrible though. The seats are rock hard. Flying from Newark to here on one was one of the worst flights of my life. I was hoping we would get some of those routes switched to MRJ90's when they were supposed to start getting deliveries in 2018 but they keep delaying its launch. I do all I can to avoid them now. I am flying to New York this weekend and was happy Delta isn't using them.
 
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Re: STL Air Service Discussion

Wed Feb 08, 2017 8:31 pm

Jshank83 wrote:
That is why I figured we have so many ERJ145 flights. Those planes are terrible though. The seats are rock hard. Flying from Newark to here on one was one of the worst flights of my life. I was hoping we would get some of those routes switched to MRJ90's when they were supposed to start getting deliveries in 2018 but they keep delaying its launch. I do all I can to avoid them now. I am flying to New York this weekend and was happy Delta isn't using them.


Yeah, they'll be stuck with them until until they take the MRJ, which will definitely not be in the near future. G7 only flies the -700 and the -900, which the the ERJ145 make look like 739s. But STL is more or less assured to have a large amount of regional jets.
 
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Re: STL Air Service Discussion

Tue Feb 14, 2017 11:08 pm

The new airport name is "official" now. I was in the airport today and all the electric signs had the new symbol. I liked the old one better though. I wish they would have just kept it and change the name on it.


http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/metr ... 0242f.html
 
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Re: STL Air Service Discussion

Fri Feb 17, 2017 3:34 pm

Well this seems random. I didn't know shipping livestock overseas was a thing.

St. Louis Lambert International Airport is looking at a new source of air cargo — livestock.

http://www.stltoday.com/business/local/ ... 33efe.html

It also talks about them being out of hanger space and updates the new renovations in Concourse E a little bit.

It also mentions that 58% of the passanger growth last year was connecting passangers.

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