airbazar wrote:

Not really. Other than CDG and AMS, the standard NEO with the inherent low density international configuration should be able to do all the current TATL routes. IIRC, AA does not operate the 752 deep into continental Europe like UA does.

commavia wrote:

I could see AA prioritizing at least some of the earlier A321neos for deployment on LAX-Hawaii. It is true that AA invested a meaningful amount in setting up the dedicated A321H overwater subfleet for that purpose, but those planes still take weight penalties at certain times of the year. If those A321Hs are viewed as the interim solution, the A321neo could be the permanent 757 replacement on LAX-Hawaii, and those overwater-certified A321Hs could then be redeployed to markets where overwater would be useful but range is less of an issue like, say, JFK/PHL/MIA-Caribbean.

superjeff wrote:

commavia wrote:

I could see AA prioritizing at least some of the earlier A321neos for deployment on LAX-Hawaii. It is true that AA invested a meaningful amount in setting up the dedicated A321H overwater subfleet for that purpose, but those planes still take weight penalties at certain times of the year. If those A321Hs are viewed as the interim solution, the A321neo could be the permanent 757 replacement on LAX-Hawaii, and those overwater-certified A321Hs could then be redeployed to markets where overwater would be useful but range is less of an issue like, say, JFK/PHL/MIA-Caribbean.

I would think the 321-Neos would work on PHX-Hawaii as well, replacing the 757's. I think the NEO would have the range to handle that.

airbazar wrote:

3,500 should be enough to fly to the UK, Ireland, and LIS, even with today's config. WOW is flying single class, high density A321CEO's from KEF to BWI. That's a 6-6:30hr flight. A NEO with 14 fewer seats should provide at least 1 extra hour of flying time.

airbazar wrote:

Now you're contradicting yourself. There are countless threads about what the A321NEO can do. We don't really need to re-hash it in this one. We'll just agree to disagree but an airplane that can be in the air for 7 1/2 hours should be able of flying from the UK/Ireland to JFK except on some Winter days. But here's the important part: AA does not operate most of these 752 routes in the Winter. Certainly not to LHR and LIS from what I can see.

Boeing778X wrote:

Any chance any of the A321neos being "A321neoTs?"

alasizon wrote:

Boeing778X wrote:

Any chance any of the A321neos being "A321neoTs?"

I very much doubt that. I believe the existing 321T subfleet is on borrowed if not expired time already. They are highly inflexible and everyone seems to think they aren't successful.

I believe the NEOs will take over the existing 321 routes over 1,800 miles and the CEOs will displace 738s which will displace the remaining 320s.

incitatus wrote:

airbazar wrote:

Now you're contradicting yourself. There are countless threads about what the A321NEO can do. We don't really need to re-hash it in this one. We'll just agree to disagree but an airplane that can be in the air for 7 1/2 hours should be able of flying from the UK/Ireland to JFK except on some Winter days. But here's the important part: AA does not operate most of these 752 routes in the Winter. Certainly not to LHR and LIS from what I can see.

I must be so dumb because I can't figure out where I am contradicting myself. I used exactly your quoted range: 3500 nm. From there I said that at 3265 miles from LHR, BOS is probably not a good idea. Maybe if it is a 6 am departure and the A321neo is the first in line to take off, it can fly the route on a regular basis.

I also don't see why we have to agree to disagree. Pardon me for my dense single digit IQ, but this is not a NY-London (or even BOS-London) airplane - close, but not there. With ATC delays and long taxi times, LHR is in practice significantly further away from the US than MAN is. United blocks on LHR-EWR with the 757 are 8:50. The reality is that 7:30 on a marginally lower speed airplane is not enough. The set of routes I posted earlier is a pretty accurate picture of the 321neo envelope.