Cvgspotter15 wrote:

cvgComair wrote:

For anyone curious, Delta will gain 5x/week Sun/Tue/Wed/Thurs//Sat arrival slots at LHR, allowing for Mon/Tue/Wed/Fri/Sat departures from a US station.
https://www.ch-aviation.com/portal/news ... d-to-delta

It was falsely reported that DL would receive another 2x/week LHR slots from SAS to make a daily service, however, they appear to be going to AA: https://www.businesstraveller.com/busin ... expansion/

Delta's use of the 5 slots will begin on October 29, 2017, after being deferred from an original start date of April 1, 2017. CVG does now have a TATL subsidiary of $800,000 over 2 years (I am sure more if a deal is/was in the works), cargo options available, and connecting passengers, which I would imagine would make CVG close to, if not, the #1 new station for DL to add LHR service from (unless it would be better to add frequency from another hub). This is in addition to DL now declaring LHR one of its 3 European hubs. I still feel that the route is a bit of a long-shot, but 2017 has been an interesting year already, with the Amazon and Southwest announcements, who knows what is next .

CVG-CDG appears to be doing abnormally well currently, just going by seat maps, most days are seeing high 80's to mid 90's load factors. Of course these are not 100% accurate, but it gives a good estimate.

I'm not sure what delta can use, but I think a daily 752 to LHR would be very successful on delta. I spoke to a CVG dispatcher and he has heard the rumors so possibly sheds more light on this?

I mean a second transatlantic flight would completely change the dynamic of the airport. It could help with connections and possibly add more domestic routes.

New southwest terminal/seating area is open at CVG.

Cvgspotter15 wrote:

New southwest terminal/seating area is open at CVG.

Nice! I would love to see pictures if anyone is through CVG in the next few days! I unfortunately will be flying out of CVG on June 3 to get to San Jose , so I am going to miss WN's launch, but I can't wait to go explore the new gates. I am hoping someone is scheduled to fly on June 4, or even better yet, on the launch flight. I am sure the airport will post launch photos as well, they usually cover launches pretty well. WN also extends their flight schedule tomorrow, I would love to see some adds at CVG, but historically WN does not announce new routes at stations until it starts actually serving the station.

Cvgspotter15 wrote:

Cvgspotter15 wrote:

cvgComair wrote:

For anyone curious, Delta will gain 5x/week Sun/Tue/Wed/Thurs//Sat arrival slots at LHR, allowing for Mon/Tue/Wed/Fri/Sat departures from a US station.
https://www.ch-aviation.com/portal/news ... d-to-delta

It was falsely reported that DL would receive another 2x/week LHR slots from SAS to make a daily service, however, they appear to be going to AA: https://www.businesstraveller.com/busin ... expansion/

Delta's use of the 5 slots will begin on October 29, 2017, after being deferred from an original start date of April 1, 2017. CVG does now have a TATL subsidiary of $800,000 over 2 years (I am sure more if a deal is/was in the works), cargo options available, and connecting passengers, which I would imagine would make CVG close to, if not, the #1 new station for DL to add LHR service from (unless it would be better to add frequency from another hub). This is in addition to DL now declaring LHR one of its 3 European hubs. I still feel that the route is a bit of a long-shot, but 2017 has been an interesting year already, with the Amazon and Southwest announcements, who knows what is next .

CVG-CDG appears to be doing abnormally well currently, just going by seat maps, most days are seeing high 80's to mid 90's load factors. Of course these are not 100% accurate, but it gives a good estimate.

I'm not sure what delta can use, but I think a daily 752 to LHR would be very successful on delta. I spoke to a CVG dispatcher and he has heard the rumors so possibly sheds more light on this?

I mean a second transatlantic flight would completely change the dynamic of the airport. It could help with connections and possibly add more domestic routes.

If I had to guess, DL would go with a 763 on CVG-LHR for better flexibility rotating planes in and out. It would also allow them to rotate at CVG along with the CDG flight. The 763 would offer better freight options that DHL and AmazonPrimeAir may bring to CVG as well.

Cvgspotter15 wrote:

New southwest terminal/seating area is open at CVG.

Not quite open yet. They have removed the faux wall but still have the seating area roped off with a sign stating construction workers only. They are still putting stuff together. They have added a countdown clock to the entrance but that is the only indication that I saw that showed that they would be Southwest's gates. They have also started installing their computers at the ticket counter.

In related news, the airport is almost done building two new Baggage Service Offices on the baggage claim level. One will be Southwest's and the other one will go to Trego-Dugan (Frontier, Allegiant, Air Canada, Vacation Express charters) Southwest will get their own baggage claim carousel at carousel 3.

cvgComair wrote:

Cvgspotter15 wrote:

New southwest terminal/seating area is open at CVG.

Nice! I would love to see pictures if anyone is through CVG in the next few days! I unfortunately will be flying out of CVG on June 3 to get to San Jose , so I am going to miss WN's launch, but I can't wait to go explore the new gates. I am hoping someone is scheduled to fly on June 4, or even better yet, on the launch flight. I am sure the airport will post launch photos as well, they usually cover launches pretty well. WN also extends their flight schedule tomorrow, I would love to see some adds at CVG, but historically WN does not announce new routes at stations until it starts actually serving the station.

I am flying the southwest inaugural to Chicago MDW.

AirportRival wrote:

Cvgspotter15 wrote:

New southwest terminal/seating area is open at CVG.

Not quite open yet. They have removed the faux wall but still have the seating area roped off with a sign stating construction workers only. They are still putting stuff together. They have added a countdown clock to the entrance but that is the only indication that I saw that showed that they would be Southwest's gates. They have also started installing their computers at the ticket counter.

In related news, the airport is almost done building two new Baggage Service Offices on the baggage claim level. One will be Southwest's and the other one will go to Trego-Dugan (Frontier, Allegiant, Air Canada, Vacation Express charters) Southwest will get their own baggage claim carousel at carousel 3.

cool, thanks for the update. glad to see there will be a WN carousel from the start.

WN adds CMH-HOU on a "holiday-only" basis beginning in November.

That's 18 nonstop destinations on Southwest from CMH served in some capacity: ATL, BWI, BOS, MDW, DAL, DEN, FLL, RSW, LAS, BNA, MSY, OAK, MCO, PHX, STL, TPA, DCA, and now HOU.

cvgComair wrote:

Some load factor data on PIT-CDG, it's not terrible,..(CVG-CDG is in parentheses):

5/2016 - 68% (82%)
6/2016 - 75% (84%)
7/2016 - 67% (67%)
8/2016 - 59% (60%)
9/2016 - 63% (67%)

Actually those were terrible loads at PIT IMHO. Fwiw last year the departure time from PIT was a very late 2130, and much was said about how that affected loads, even by the airport authority. Here are the numbers for 2015 which are considerably better.

5/2015 - 78%
6/2015 - 86%
7/2015 - 65%
8/2015 - 66%
9/2015 - 77%
10/2015 - 64%

This year the departure time is much more reasonable and seating charts look good load wise.

Singapore Airlines is back at CVG again, this time only a week apart: http://flightaware.com/live/flight/SQC7952

I think it is safe to say they are now operating at CVG. I would love to know if they are operating with Amazon/DHL or if there is enough cargo in Cincinnati to justify the flight.

cvgComair wrote:

Singapore Airlines is back at CVG again, this time only a week apart: http://flightaware.com/live/flight/SQC7952

I think it is safe to say they are now operating at CVG. I would love to know if they are operating with Amazon/DHL or if there is enough cargo in Cincinnati to justify the flight.

Looks like the flight routinely transits HKG which is DHL's main Asia hub. SIN is also a big hub for them; I'd say that's your answer.

flyPIT wrote:

cvgComair wrote:

Singapore Airlines is back at CVG again, this time only a week apart: http://flightaware.com/live/flight/SQC7952

I think it is safe to say they are now operating at CVG. I would love to know if they are operating with Amazon/DHL or if there is enough cargo in Cincinnati to justify the flight.

Looks like the flight routinely transits HKG which is DHL's main Asia hub. SIN is also a big hub for them; I'd say that's your answer.

I think it's probably for cargo from SIN (and southeast Asia as a whole) as DHL already operates 5-6x/day CVG-ANC and 1x/day CVG-HKG. DHL announced and briefly operated a CVG-SIN nonstop a few years ago, however they pulled the route after a few weeks.

flyPIT wrote:

Actually those were terrible loads at PIT IMHO. Fwiw last year the departure time from PIT was a very late 2130, and much was said about how that affected loads, even by the airport authority. Here are the numbers for 2015 which are considerably better.

5/2015 - 78%
6/2015 - 86%
7/2015 - 65%
8/2015 - 66%
9/2015 - 77%
10/2015 - 64%

This year the departure time is much more reasonable and seating charts look good load wise.

While the loads were low, DL keeps TATL routes with much lower seat capacity (just look at DTW!), plus I am sure the premium DL charged before WOW/Condor was profitable even with lower load factors. I hope DL keeps its PIT-CDG route, the daily 757 is much better for business travelers than WOW/Condor's offerings. I am sure the low fares will increase load factors, it will be interesting to see how the route preforms. I hope WOW/Condor do well enough at PIT to try a CMH, CLE, IND, or CVG flight.

Kind of a slow day, so I did the CMH flight analysis for July 17th, just to see if there were/are any changes. Nothing too striking to report. Few more WN 738s, CRJs gone from the AA operation, 5x to DFW (all MD80) and a reduction in mainline on UA to ORD. On the DL side, interesting to note that the schedule still shows all MD88s to ATL. Have seen this before as a plug schedule, maybe it is just still too far out for the final aircraft types?

American
CLT: 5x 175; 2x CR9; 1x CR7
DCA: 5x 175
DFW: 5x MD80
JFK: 1x 145
LAX: 1x 319
LGA: 4x 145; 2x 175
MIA: 2x 145; 1x 175
ORD: 7x CR7; 2x145
PHL: 5x 175; 1x 145
PHX 2x 319
Total flights: 45

Delta
ATL: 9x MD88
BOS: 3x 170
DTW: 1x CR7; 1x 170; 1x 175; 5x CRJ
JFK: 3x 170
LAX: 1x 738
LGA: 1x 175; 1x 170; 3x CR9
MSP: 2x319; 3x CR7
RDU: 1x CR7; 1x CR9
Total flights: 36

United
DEN: 1x 170; 1x 320
EWR: 5x 145; 1x170; 1x175
IAD: 1x 145; 1x 175; 2xCR7
IAH: 1x 145; 3x 170
ORD: 1x319; 1x 738; 2x 170; 2x 175
Total flights: 23

Frontier:
DEN: 1x
LAS: 1x
MCO: 1x
Total flights: 3

Air Canada:
YYZ: 4x CR1
Total flights: 4

Southwest
ATL: 1x 733; 2x 73G
BNA: 1x 733; 1x 73G
BOS: 1x 73G; 1x 73H
BWI: 2x 73G; 1x 73H
DAL: 1x 73G
DCA: 2x 73G
DEN: 2x 73G
LAS: 1x 73G; 1x 73H
MCO: 2x 733; 1x 73G
MDW: 5x73G; 1x 73H
MSY: Sundays Only
OAK: 1x 73G
RSW: 1x 733
STL: 2x 73G
TPA: 1x 733; 1x 73G
PHX: 1x 73G
Total flights: 33

Total CMH flights on 7/17/2017: 144

*Let me know if I missed anything...

Thanks for the breakdown. It's entirely possible DL decides to spin the wheel to decide if they want to change some of those MD-88s to ATL to something else.

It's behind a paywall, but here's another article about CMH's new terminal, due no later than 2035 now: http://www.bizjournals.com/columbus/new ... heres.html

DeltaRules wrote:

WN adds CMH-HOU on a "holiday-only" basis beginning in November.

Definitely a nice add. Though it's interesting to see how WN has gone about adding new routes from CMH lately: MSY as a Sunday-only nonstop and HOU as a seasonal nonstop. Hopefully these routes are started cautiously with the anticipation of them eventually going daily. If that's the case, great approach by WN and glad they're making the effort to introduce these markets from CMH.

DeltaRules wrote:

Thanks for the breakdown.

Agreed, many thanks for the detailed report. However:

brooklynchris13 wrote:

LGA: 1x 175; 1x 170; 3x CR9

LGA is actually 2x 170 for a total of 6 daily flights. CMH is hovering at a peak weekday departures of 145 come July. The summer schedules come with a couple of additional frequencies (AA - DFW, MIA; DL - MSP, ATL, etc.) and regional aircraft upgauges (DL-RDU, JFK, etc.) which should help sustain increasing pax numbers for the year.

DeltaRules wrote:

It's entirely possible DL decides to spin the wheel to decide if they want to change some of those MD-88s to ATL to something else.

I wouldn't count on it. It looks like this might be a result of DL deciding to shift M88 and some M90 capacity out of the NYC market:

http://news.delta.com/delta-fly-newer-q ... ia-airport

Those frames have now popped up primarily, or in some cases exclusively, on routes from the Midwest, such as CMH, PIT, CAK, and others to ATL. There might be some aircraft changes between now and July, but it's probably not likely.

brooklynchris13 wrote:

Kind of a slow day, so I did the CMH flight analysis for July 17th, just to see if there were/are any changes. Nothing too striking to report. Few more WN 738s, CRJs gone from the AA operation, 5x to DFW (all MD80) and a reduction in mainline on UA to ORD. On the DL side, interesting to note that the schedule still shows all MD88s to ATL. Have seen this before as a plug schedule, maybe it is just still too far out for the final aircraft types?

American
CLT: 5x 175; 2x CR9; 1x CR7
DCA: 5x 175
DFW: 5x MD80
JFK: 1x 145
LAX: 1x 319
LGA: 4x 145; 2x 175
MIA: 2x 145; 1x 175
ORD: 7x CR7; 2x145
PHL: 5x 175; 1x 145
PHX 2x 319
Total flights: 45

Delta
ATL: 9x MD88
BOS: 3x 170
DTW: 1x CR7; 1x 170; 1x 175; 5x CRJ
JFK: 3x 170
LAX: 1x 738
LGA: 1x 175; 1x 170; 3x CR9
MSP: 2x319; 3x CR7
RDU: 1x CR7; 1x CR9
Total flights: 36

United
DEN: 1x 170; 1x 320
EWR: 5x 145; 1x170; 1x175
IAD: 1x 145; 1x 175; 2xCR7
IAH: 1x 145; 3x 170
ORD: 1x319; 1x 738; 2x 170; 2x 175
Total flights: 23

Frontier:
DEN: 1x
LAS: 1x
MCO: 1x
Total flights: 3

Air Canada:
YYZ: 4x CR1
Total flights: 4

Southwest
ATL: 1x 733; 2x 73G
BNA: 1x 733; 1x 73G
BOS: 1x 73G; 1x 73H
BWI: 2x 73G; 1x 73H
DAL: 1x 73G
DCA: 2x 73G
DEN: 2x 73G
LAS: 1x 73G; 1x 73H
MCO: 2x 733; 1x 73G
MDW: 5x73G; 1x 73H
MSY: Sundays Only
OAK: 1x 73G
RSW: 1x 733
STL: 2x 73G
TPA: 1x 733; 1x 73G
PHX: 1x 73G
Total flights: 33

Total CMH flights on 7/17/2017: 144

*Let me know if I missed anything...

Wow,surprised AA is the largest in number of flt! Would've thought WN

Surprised we still have not seen anything about this in the news, Singapore Airlines Cargo flew ANC-CVG-LAX this morning: https://flightaware.com/live/flight/SQC ... /KCVG/KLAX. Also, it looks like a 2nd CVG-LAX departure is scheduled for 2:40 pm, but I don't know where the SQC aircraft will be coming from.

I have created a spreadsheet that I think CVG fans will like. It's a spreadsheet of CVG's passengers per day to destinations with 10 or more passengers each day. This is not PPEW. I still find it cool to watch how the numbers sway with the quarters and over the years. As of right now I have all the current destinations served non-stop highlighted in yellow. The most recent quarter has the numbers either highlighted in green or red. Green indicates there has been a year over year growth while red indicates a year over year loss. If it's not highlighted then there has been no change. I'm still going back through the DOT's reports on older years so the spreadsheet is not complete. I would also like to the numbers for each quarter based on whether it was served non-stop during that quarter. I currently don't have the information to be able to do that though. Anyways, have a look and let me know what you think. I'll keep updating as I get the time. Once I get CVG's done then I might go back and do all of the Ohio airports for comparison's sake.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... sp=sharing

AirportRival wrote:

I have created a spreadsheet that I think CVG fans will like. It's a spreadsheet of CVG's passengers per day to destinations with 10 or more passengers each day. This is not PPEW. I still find it cool to watch how the numbers sway with the quarters and over the years. As of right now I have all the current destinations served non-stop highlighted in yellow. The most recent quarter has the numbers either highlighted in green or red. Green indicates there has been a year over year growth while red indicates a year over year loss. If it's not highlighted then there has been no change. I'm still going back through the DOT's reports on older years so the spreadsheet is not complete. I would also like to the numbers for each quarter based on whether it was served non-stop during that quarter. I currently don't have the information to be able to do that though. Anyways, have a look and let me know what you think. I'll keep updating as I get the time. Once I get CVG's done then I might go back and do all of the Ohio airports for comparison's sake.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... sp=sharing

WOW! I have always wanted to put something like this together but I could never get the DOT data to work. That is really cool, nice job!

Interesting that routes like CVG-ALB/OMA/RIC/SAT/ORF/CHS were dropped by DL yet CVG-XNA/BNA have lower PPD's and MKE/STL are not much higher. Also interesting that CVG-AUS/MSY/JAX/PHX/SAN/SEA/PDX are SIGNIFICANTLY underserved. Does anyone notice how this exact list has been brought up before for DL to add ? Based on PPD, DL could operate a 738 year-round to SEA, A319 to SAN/PDX/PHX seasonally, and a CRJ-700/900 to AUS/MSY/JAX. Of course not every passenger would choose DL, but it does provide some proof that DL could make some expansions, wether they ever would is another question. I think F9 has seen this opportunity and like their daily CVG-DEN/LAS/PHX/SFO/LAX, I bet they have daily CVG-SAN/PDX/SEA and possibly SLC in the next year or two if DL does not increase/enter these markets.

AirportRival wrote:

I have created a spreadsheet that I think CVG fans will like. It's a spreadsheet of CVG's passengers per day to destinations with 10 or more passengers each day. This is not PPEW. I still find it cool to watch how the numbers sway with the quarters and over the years. As of right now I have all the current destinations served non-stop highlighted in yellow. The most recent quarter has the numbers either highlighted in green or red. Green indicates there has been a year over year growth while red indicates a year over year loss. If it's not highlighted then there has been no change. I'm still going back through the DOT's reports on older years so the spreadsheet is not complete. I would also like to the numbers for each quarter based on whether it was served non-stop during that quarter. I currently don't have the information to be able to do that though. Anyways, have a look and let me know what you think. I'll keep updating as I get the time. Once I get CVG's done then I might go back and do all of the Ohio airports for comparison's sake.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... sp=sharing

Fantastic work my friend! I know it doesn't work like this, but delta needs to see this. Come on delta JAX, PDX, and AUS are SCREAMING your name.

cvgComair wrote:

AirportRival wrote:

I have created a spreadsheet that I think CVG fans will like. It's a spreadsheet of CVG's passengers per day to destinations with 10 or more passengers each day. This is not PPEW. I still find it cool to watch how the numbers sway with the quarters and over the years. As of right now I have all the current destinations served non-stop highlighted in yellow. The most recent quarter has the numbers either highlighted in green or red. Green indicates there has been a year over year growth while red indicates a year over year loss. If it's not highlighted then there has been no change. I'm still going back through the DOT's reports on older years so the spreadsheet is not complete. I would also like to the numbers for each quarter based on whether it was served non-stop during that quarter. I currently don't have the information to be able to do that though. Anyways, have a look and let me know what you think. I'll keep updating as I get the time. Once I get CVG's done then I might go back and do all of the Ohio airports for comparison's sake.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... sp=sharing

WOW! I have always wanted to put something like this together but I could never get the DOT data to work. That is really cool, nice job!

Interesting that routes like CVG-ALB/OMA/RIC/SAT/ORF/CHS were dropped by DL yet CVG-XNA/BNA have lower PPD's and MKE/STL are not much higher. Also interesting that CVG-AUS/MSY/JAX/PHX/SAN/SEA/PDX are SIGNIFICANTLY underserved. Does anyone notice how this exact list has been brought up before for DL to add ? Based on PPD, DL could operate a 738 year-round to SEA, A319 to SAN/PDX/PHX seasonally, and a CRJ-700/900 to AUS/MSY/JAX. Of course not every passenger would choose DL, but it does provide some proof that DL could make some expansions, wether they ever would is another question. I think F9 has seen this opportunity and like their daily CVG-DEN/LAS/PHX/SFO/LAX, I bet they have daily CVG-SAN/PDX/SEA and possibly SLC in the next year or two if DL does not increase/enter these markets.

Also find it interesting that BNA gets 20 passengers a day yet has 2 daily flights. AUS has 2 a week and gets over a 100 passengers a day.

Cvgspotter15 wrote:

Also find it interesting that BNA gets 20 passengers a day yet has 2 daily flights. AUS has 2 a week and gets over a 100 passengers a day.

What is interesting is that CVG's flights to MKE/BNA/STL are optimized for MKE/BNA/STL passengers to connect in Cincinnati and are essentially useless for CVG-based passengers. MKE/BNA arrive at CVG in the early morning and depart CVG late at night. Similarly, STL has morning and noon departure to CVG, while CVG gets two afternoon departures to STL. While DL is focusing on O&D at CVG, routes like STL/BNA/MEM/MCI/MKE are still clearly being optimized for connections in Cincinnati.

DL on CVG-AUS is the most obvious hole, my only thinking is that DL sees its CVG-DFW/IAH flights as "covering" the region. I will be flying on DL's CVG-IAH this fall to get to Austin, I have to wonder how many other travelers do this as well? Part of the problem with PPD is you cannot see this type of movement, I have to wonder if the surge in IAH traffic is passengers were actually wanting to get to AUS cheaply on DL as nonstops on CVG-IAH/DFW run around $200 RT, while CVG-AUS through ATL can easily run $500-600 RT. This is something I wish Delta could see.

DeltaRules wrote:

It's behind a paywall, but here's another article about CMH's new terminal, due no later than 2035 now: http://www.bizjournals.com/columbus/new ... heres.html

I'm a subscriber to Business First and the article pretty much is what you've read/heard before. It talks about among other things projected traffic rising to north of 10M by 2030 and the need to keep costs low while adding revenue from non-aviation sources like parking, concessions, shopping, hotels, etc.

jplatts wrote:

cvgComair wrote:

Cvgspotter15 wrote:

Also find it interesting that BNA gets 20 passengers a day yet has 2 daily flights. AUS has 2 a week and gets over a 100 passengers a day.

What is interesting is that CVG's flights to MKE/BNA/STL are optimized for MKE/BNA/STL passengers to connect in Cincinnati and are essentially useless for CVG-based passengers. MKE/BNA arrive at CVG in the early morning and depart CVG late at night. Similarly, STL has morning and noon departure to CVG, while CVG gets two afternoon departures to STL. While DL is focusing on O&D at CVG, routes like STL/BNA/MEM/MCI/MKE are still clearly being optimized for connections in Cincinnati.

DL on CVG-AUS is the most obvious hole, my only thinking is that DL sees its CVG-DFW/IAH flights as "covering" the region. I will be flying on DL's CVG-IAH this fall to get to Austin, I have to wonder how many other travelers do this as well? Part of the problem with PPD is you cannot see this type of movement, I have to wonder if the surge in IAH traffic is passengers were actually wanting to get to AUS cheaply on DL as nonstops on CVG-IAH/DFW run around $200 RT, while CVG-AUS through ATL can easily run $500-600 RT. This is something I wish Delta could see.

Could Southwest actually add CVG-AUS nonstop service? A Southwest nonstop between CVG and AUS could provide Cincinnati-area travelers with connecting service to and from ELP, PHX, LAS, LAX, and SAN, something that the Delta nonstops between CVG and AUS could not provide.

Most of the final destinations that customers from STL, BNA, MCI, and MKE connect to through CVG are actually served nonstop from all 4 of these originating cities on other airlines. In addition, Delta also does nonstops to LGA and DTW from STL, BNA, MCI, and MKE, does nonstops to BOS from BNA and MKE, and will be adding a nonstop from MCI to BOS on September 10th. Air Canada also has nonstops to Toronto from STL, BNA, MCI, and MKE.

Why does Delta need nonstops to CVG from STL, BNA, MCI, and MKE for connections if the customers going to final destinations on the East Coast from STL, BNA, MCI, and MKE actually have other options that do not involve a connection at CVG?

Aren't that flights from STL/BNA-CVG set of for people from those two cities to do business trips to CVG? You could fly in in the morning and out in the evening. I'm not sure how many people do that but it's an option. I guess people could connect also.

On the AUS topic. I don't know if I can see WN adding AUS before they add a couple more bigger operations destinations first.

Jshank83 wrote:

Aren't that flights from STL/BNA-CVG set of for people from those two cities to do business trips to CVG? You could fly in in the morning and out in the evening. I'm not sure how many people do that but it's an option. I guess people could connect also.

On the AUS topic. I don't know if I can see WN adding AUS before they add a couple more bigger operations destinations first.

Absolutely, the routes are timed for STL/BNA/etc travelers to do day trips in Cincinnati and as far as I am aware, that is a bigger percentage than connecting passengers. I don't know how I forgot to mention that. Back when STL/BNA/MEM had a mid-day third flight, that frequency was almost exclusively a connecting back that has been largely eliminated. I know there are still some connections occurring for DL loyal STL fliers with routes such as STL-CVG-BWI/DCA/PHL/BOS/YYZ/CLT/RDU or similar routings for other small cities. Since 10% of DL's traffic at CVG is connecting and routes like hubs/Florida/West Coast are mainly O&D, I would venture to say 20-40% of the passengers on these smaller routes are connecting. know that Ultimate Air Shuttle has explored adding MEM/BNA/CPS at various times and I bet they go for BNA in the near future with DL's new schedule making day trips impossible from Cincinnati (UE is supposedly adding a route later this year). I am not so sure WN will add AUS, but I think CVG-BNA/STL would be great adds for connections (STL to the west and BNA to the south).

According to the airport, CVG's seats will be up 20-25% YOY this Summer, that will lead to a very large increase of passengers this year. Since we are already up 11% YOY, and this Summer DL will be up 6% YOY, United/Frontier/Allegiant are adding flights, and most importantly WN is starting service, I cannot wait to see the passenger data!

http://www.aviationpros.com/press_relea ... vel-season

cvgComair wrote:

According to the airport, CVG's seats will be up 20-25% YOY this Summer, that will lead to a very large increase of passengers this year. Since we are already up 11% YOY, and this Summer DL will be up 6% YOY, United/Frontier/Allegiant are adding flights, and most importantly WN is starting service, I cannot wait to see the passenger data!

http://www.aviationpros.com/press_relea ... vel-season

To build on that, CVG's April number posted below-

April 2017 is up 9.3% over April 2016
YOY traffic is up 10.63%

cvgComair wrote:

According to the airport, CVG's seats will be up 20-25% YOY this Summer, that will lead to a very large increase of passengers this year. Since we are already up 11% YOY, and this Summer DL will be up 6% YOY, United/Frontier/Allegiant are adding flights, and most importantly WN is starting service, I cannot wait to see the passenger data!

http://www.aviationpros.com/press_relea ... vel-season

I Think we can easily hit 7.5 million passengers this year.

Singapore Airlines flew another ANC-CVG-DFW segment yesterday, now its up to 3x/week: Tuesday, Thursday, and Sunday!

cvgComair wrote:

Singapore Airlines flew another ANC-CVG-DFW segment yesterday, now its up to 3x/week: Tuesday, Thursday, and Sunday!

I saw that! It looks like they are permanent. Also it looks like amazon prime air might already collapse due to amazon wanting less employees.

Cvgspotter15 wrote:

cvgComair wrote:

Singapore Airlines flew another ANC-CVG-DFW segment yesterday, now its up to 3x/week: Tuesday, Thursday, and Sunday!

I saw that! It looks like they are permanent. Also it looks like amazon prime air might already collapse due to amazon wanting less employees.

Where did you hear that?

AirportRival wrote:

Cvgspotter15 wrote:

cvgComair wrote:

Singapore Airlines flew another ANC-CVG-DFW segment yesterday, now its up to 3x/week: Tuesday, Thursday, and Sunday!

I saw that! It looks like they are permanent. Also it looks like amazon prime air might already collapse due to amazon wanting less employees.

Where did you hear that?

We see it on the radar.

Cvgspotter15 wrote:

AirportRival wrote:

Cvgspotter15 wrote:

I saw that! It looks like they are permanent. Also it looks like amazon prime air might already collapse due to amazon wanting less employees.

Where did you hear that?

We see it on the radar.

You see Amazon wanting less employees on the radar? I honestly have no idea what that is supposed to mean. Amazon has continuously said that they plan on hiring 10's of 1,000's employees across the country so your radar must be broke. The only problems that I have heard of so far with Prime Air is the pilot's protesting and that's not overly shocking considering that there seems to be a pilot group striking every week somewhere.

Since C'bus and Indy are often compared to one another (here and elsewhere), this is interesting:

Columbus overtakes Indianapolis to become country's 14th largest city

Columbus' population has grown to 860,090, making it the 14th largest city in the country and the second biggest in the Midwest after Chicago, according to new Census estimates released Thursday.

...

Ohio's capital city passed Indianapolis (855,164) to move up to the 14th spot. Columbus remains Ohio's largest city, well ahead of Cleveland (No. 51 with a population of 385,809) and Cincinnati (No. 65 at 298,800).

NoTime wrote:

Since C'bus and Indy are often compared to one another (here and elsewhere), this is interesting:

Columbus overtakes Indianapolis to become country's 14th largest city

Columbus' population has grown to 860,090, making it the 14th largest city in the country and the second biggest in the Midwest after Chicago, according to new Census estimates released Thursday.

...

Ohio's capital city passed Indianapolis (855,164) to move up to the 14th spot. Columbus remains Ohio's largest city, well ahead of Cleveland (No. 51 with a population of 385,809) and Cincinnati (No. 65 at 298,800).

That's a nice statistic ! City populations and Metro's are completely different ! To me (my opinion only) a metro is taken more into effect then just a city population, a metro makes up a city as a whole. Columbus is bigger then a lot of cities , Boston,Atlanta ,Miami etc, but is it really

Metro population is the real indicator of how large a city is. If Pittsburgh annexed the same amount of land area as Columbus' city limits it would crack 1 million people. Not to diminish that Columbus is growing, because it is on track to be the top Ohio market (if it isn't already).

AaronPGH wrote:

Metro population is the real indicator of how large a city is. If Pittsburgh annexed the same amount of land area as Columbus' city limits it would crack 1 million people. Not to diminish that Columbus is growing, because it is on track to be the top Ohio market (if it isn't already).

Agreed!! I wasn't trying to argue or take away from Columbus or even Indy,both are benefiting now from not being a rust belt city , and according to the Columbus dispatch about a year ago NE OHIO was still the biggest economic engine of the state .

AaronPGH wrote:

Metro population is the real indicator of how large a city is. If Pittsburgh annexed the same amount of land area as Columbus' city limits it would crack 1 million people. Not to diminish that Columbus is growing, because it is on track to be the top Ohio market (if it isn't already).

Exactly. City proper population is a deceptive statistic, not irrelevant but sometimes deceptive depending on how it's used. Many cities have annexed their suburbs in recent years increasing the land area and population of the city proper. Pittsburgh and Cincinnati are two great examples: The city of Pittsburgh is only 58.3 square miles in size compared to the city of Columbus at 223.11 square miles...or the city of Cincinnati, which is 79.54 square miles compared to the city of Charlotte at 297.7 square miles. When looking at markets, I almost never look at city proper population, particularly for airports and the airline industry it's metro-wide population and economic indicators that really count.

AirportRival wrote:

Cvgspotter15 wrote:

AirportRival wrote:

Where did you hear that?

We see it on the radar.

You see Amazon wanting less employees on the radar? I honestly have no idea what that is supposed to mean. Amazon has continuously said that they plan on hiring 10's of 1,000's employees across the country so your radar must be broke. The only problems that I have heard of so far with Prime Air is the pilot's protesting and that's not overly shocking considering that there seems to be a pilot group striking every week somewhere.

Sorry we're talking about different things. The protests and my friend showed me an article on it.

NoTime wrote:

Since C'bus and Indy are often compared to one another (here and elsewhere), this is interesting:

Columbus overtakes Indianapolis to become country's 14th largest city

Columbus' population has grown to 860,090, making it the 14th largest city in the country and the second biggest in the Midwest after Chicago, according to new Census estimates released Thursday.

...

Ohio's capital city passed Indianapolis (855,164) to move up to the 14th spot. Columbus remains Ohio's largest city, well ahead of Cleveland (No. 51 with a population of 385,809) and Cincinnati (No. 65 at 298,800).

Well cincinnati's whole population including suburbs is 2.1 mil. Columbus is only 2.0

Cvgspotter15 wrote:

NoTime wrote:

Since C'bus and Indy are often compared to one another (here and elsewhere), this is interesting:

Columbus overtakes Indianapolis to become country's 14th largest city

Columbus' population has grown to 860,090, making it the 14th largest city in the country and the second biggest in the Midwest after Chicago, according to new Census estimates released Thursday.

...

Ohio's capital city passed Indianapolis (855,164) to move up to the 14th spot. Columbus remains Ohio's largest city, well ahead of Cleveland (No. 51 with a population of 385,809) and Cincinnati (No. 65 at 298,800).

Well cincinnati's whole population including suburbs is 2.1 mil. Columbus is only 2.0

And the whole area of Columbus including suburbs again is actually dead even with Cleveland.

I think it's actually pretty wild that Ohio has three major cities all with generally the same metro population, each about 2 hours apart. Is there any other state like that in the US?

Cvgspotter15 wrote:

Sorry we're talking about different things. The protests and my friend showed me an article on it.

Ok, that makes a lot more sense. The protesting thing has been on and off for a while now, I am not sure it puts Amazon's operations in danger, especially since there are plenty of other cargo airlines that could operate DHL/Amazon aircraft. DHL alone uses over a dozen different airlines for their CVG operations. If worst comes to worst Amazon could always operate their own aircraft/crew, which might happen farther down the road if they are very successful. Unlike DHL, which is based outside the US and has to use third party carriers, it will eventually be easier for Amazon to manage their own set of pilots and crew for issues like this.

It appears around a dozen aircraft are coming into the Amazon fleet over the remainder of the year, so we should see steady increase of flights, which hopefully will align with a steady hiring of pilots.

That would be a pretty remarkable cratering of Prime Air if Amazon leased all the planes and made plans for the major facility only to pull the plug.

Luckily there is not a precedent for airlines shutting after pilot strikes. Comair lasted 12 years after its strike which is arguably one of the worst strikes ever to take place in aviation, shutting down flights for 3 months. I am not sure a one-day strike (which nothing has been reported on since) will affect the Amazon operation.

Singapore Airlines is at it again! They are flying to AMS from CVG this time, the route was ANC-CVG-AMS. They have not operated the ANC-CVG-DFW segment on Friday before, so I am guessing this is a new route for Friday?

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/SQC7194