WWads
Posts: 140
Joined: Mon Jul 03, 2017 11:18 pm

Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 6

Sat Jul 15, 2017 11:47 am

jplatts wrote:
WWads wrote:
If it's DL, here are my guesses: MSY, SAN, PDX, RIC, AUS, PHX, and SEA (year-round).


Most of the Dallas-area customers will not fly on Delta's DFW-CVG nonstop flights to make connections to East Coast destinations since American has nonstops out of DFW to all of the East Coast destinations that have nonstop service out of CVG on Delta, since Southwest has nonstop service from DAL to most of the East Coast destinations that are served nonstop out of CVG, since Delta already has 7 daily nonstop flights between DFW and LGA, and since Dallas-area customers travelling to the East Coast can make connections through Delta's main ATL hub. Most of the customers travelling on the Delta DFW-CVG nonstop flights are travelling solely between DFW and CVG.

Southwest would be able to successfully compete against Delta on CVG-DAL nonstop service if Southwest adds CVG-DAL nonstop service since Southwest already competes against Delta on nonstop service from DAL to Delta's ATL, DTW, LAX, LGA, and SLC hubs, since the demand for Dallas to Cincinnati flights has significantly increased since the repeal of the Wright Amendment, and since Southwest can provide easier access to SAT, the largest U.S. city without nonstop service to CVG, if Southwest adds CVG-DAL nonstop service.


Not sure what that has to do with my post, but Ok.

O/D demand seems to be pretty strong, since DL is adding a 3rd CVG-DFW flight next summer. DL still has a core of highly loyal FFs at DFW who probably do make some connections via CVG.

Also, a few more periods might help with readability. ;)
 
User avatar
cvgComair
Posts: 1030
Joined: Thu Jul 07, 2016 3:48 pm

Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 6

Sat Jul 15, 2017 1:05 pm

WWads wrote:
If it's DL, here are my guesses: MSY, SAN, PDX, RIC, AUS, PHX, and SEA (year-round).


I would agree with you on those. PDX/SAN/PHX would probably be seasonal (Spring for PHX, Summer for PDX/SAN). I think PIT/JAX could also work with RIC/AUS/MSY. With AA cutting down MIA, I also could see a seasonal Sat-only MIA flight in addition to DL's FLL.

For frequency/other changes, SEA needs to go year-round for sure, I could see CVG-JFK/LGA gaining mainline. In fact, CSeries start in NYC this Spring to upgauge CRJ-900 routes according to Ed Bastian, that would be exciting :-). I could also see frequency/aircraft increases on smaller business routes like MEM/BNA/MKE/etc, but that all depends on how "big" the announcement is.

Kind of far fetched, but since the CSeries is going to NYC first, I wonder if we could see the 717 base at NYC shifted to CVG. Again, I HIGHLY doubt this will happen, but they are RON a lot of 717's at CVG, so it could make some sense.
Next: CVG-CDG-ATH (Delta Air Lines B767-300ER, Air France A319)
A319/320/332, B712/722/732/733/738/739/752/753/763/764/772/773/788, CRJ-100/2/7/9, ERJ-145/75, MD-88/90, S340
 
User avatar
Cvgspotter15
Posts: 299
Joined: Sat May 13, 2017 6:14 pm

Re: The Rest Of Ohio - 2017

Sat Jul 15, 2017 1:32 pm

No way it's southwest. They just started here! And they don't have many flights.
 
User avatar
cvgComair
Posts: 1030
Joined: Thu Jul 07, 2016 3:48 pm

Re: The Rest Of Ohio - 2017

Sat Jul 15, 2017 2:22 pm

Cvgspotter15 wrote:
No way it's southwest. They just started here! And they don't have many flights.

Absolutely, plus they don't extend their schedule for another 1.5 weeks, it would not make any sense for them to be announcing routes this early. With Frontier making big reductions at CVG this Fall/Winter, only DL really makes sense based on what AirportRival heard.
Next: CVG-CDG-ATH (Delta Air Lines B767-300ER, Air France A319)
A319/320/332, B712/722/732/733/738/739/752/753/763/764/772/773/788, CRJ-100/2/7/9, ERJ-145/75, MD-88/90, S340
 
User avatar
flyPIT
Posts: 589
Joined: Wed Jun 15, 2016 6:21 am

Re: The Rest Of Ohio - 2017

Sat Jul 15, 2017 2:53 pm

Sounds like G4 to me.
- Tuesday (Allegiant's day to make route announcements)
- Continued shift in local business model alluded to - "passengers will have the ability to fully connect in CVG. Right now only a limited number of passengers can fly thru CVG on their flights but I heard that CVG will become a fully connectable station (hub)." So that rules out DL.
- CVG already differs from the other large G4 stations by offering flights to business markets such as BWI and EWR.

So I can see G4 add a few more major markets and offer connections.
FLYi
 
miaami
Posts: 779
Joined: Thu Jul 12, 2007 2:27 am

Re: The Rest Of Ohio - 2017

Sat Jul 15, 2017 3:09 pm

At CMH, AA will start replacing the retiring MD-80 fleet starting in Sept 2017. The 5 CMH-DFW flights will be 3x MD-80, 1x 738 and 1x CR9. In Oct 2017 the schedule will be 3x MD-80 and 2x 738.
 
WWads
Posts: 140
Joined: Mon Jul 03, 2017 11:18 pm

Re: The Rest Of Ohio - 2017

Sat Jul 15, 2017 3:13 pm

flyPIT wrote:
Sounds like G4 to me.
- Tuesday (Allegiant's day to make route announcements)
- Continued shift in local business model alluded to - "passengers will have the ability to fully connect in CVG. Right now only a limited number of passengers can fly thru CVG on their flights but I heard that CVG will become a fully connectable station (hub)." So that rules out DL.
- CVG already differs from the other large G4 stations by offering flights to business markets such as BWI and EWR.

So I can see G4 add a few more major markets and offer connections.


Allegiant doesn't offer connections at any other station though. It's unknown whether their IT is even set up to allow it. With a large portion of G4's CVG operation being less than daily, I just don't see it. Plus, A is just about out of space anyway.

It has to be DL.
 
User avatar
flyPIT
Posts: 589
Joined: Wed Jun 15, 2016 6:21 am

Re: The Rest Of Ohio - 2017

Sat Jul 15, 2017 3:24 pm

WWads wrote:

Allegiant doesn't offer connections at any other station though. It's unknown whether their IT is even set up to allow it. With a large portion of G4's CVG operation being less than daily, I just don't see it. Plus, A is just about out of space anyway.

It has to be DL.


Business models evolve and change. Just because G4 does not offer connections today does not mean this will be the case forever.

Based on what we were told how can it be DL? They already offer connections at CVG with a highly banked schedule.
FLYi
 
User avatar
cvgComair
Posts: 1030
Joined: Thu Jul 07, 2016 3:48 pm

Re: The Rest Of Ohio - 2017

Sat Jul 15, 2017 3:35 pm

flyPIT wrote:
WWads wrote:

Allegiant doesn't offer connections at any other station though. It's unknown whether their IT is even set up to allow it. With a large portion of G4's CVG operation being less than daily, I just don't see it. Plus, A is just about out of space anyway.

It has to be DL.


Business models evolve and change. Just because G4 does not offer connections today does not mean this will be the case forever.

Based on what we were told how can it be DL? They already offer connections at CVG with a highly banked schedule.

Only 10% of passengers are connecting on DL’s flights, which is much less than their other hubs. So I guess that would be called “limited” connecting passengers. I would love to see G4 doing connections, but I don’t think they can even do it with their current IT setup.
Next: CVG-CDG-ATH (Delta Air Lines B767-300ER, Air France A319)
A319/320/332, B712/722/732/733/738/739/752/753/763/764/772/773/788, CRJ-100/2/7/9, ERJ-145/75, MD-88/90, S340
 
jplatts
Posts: 698
Joined: Sat Mar 18, 2017 6:42 pm

Re: The Rest Of Ohio - 2017

Sat Jul 15, 2017 4:01 pm

Cvgspotter15 wrote:
No way it's southwest. They just started here! And they don't have many flights.


The 11 airports between STL and CVG that are served by Southwest are BHM, MDW, GRR, IND, SDF, MEM, MKE, BNA, MSY, ECP, and PNS. Southwest already does have nonstop service to BWI from 10 of these 11 airports, and has nonstop service from MDW to most of Southwest's East Coast destinations. In addition, Southwest also has nonstop service to most of its East Coast destinations out of BWI, with LGA, EWR, PHL, RIC, and GSP being notable exceptions.

Southwest doesn't need CVG for connections to the East Coast as it has nonstops to BOS, NYC, WAS, MCO, TPA, RSW, and FLL from MCI, STL, MKE, MDW, IND, BNA, and ATL. In addition, Southwest also already has nonstop service from CMH to BOS, DCA, MCO, TPA, RSW, and FLL. Any connections that Southwest could do through CVG can be done through other airports that are already served by Southwest Airlines. If additional access to the East Coast is really needed on Southwest, Southwest could add nonstop service to PHL from MCI, MKE, and IND and additional nonstops to the East Coast out of MCI, STL, MKE, IND, and CMH.
 
User avatar
Cvgspotter15
Posts: 299
Joined: Sat May 13, 2017 6:14 pm

Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 6

Sat Jul 15, 2017 4:39 pm

AirportRival wrote:
Supposed to be a pretty significant announcement at CVG on Tuesday. Nothing international but from what I've heard it is pretty big.


A very high up airport official has confirmed this on my tour today
 
User avatar
Midwestindy
Posts: 1479
Joined: Sun Mar 12, 2017 3:56 am

Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 6

Sat Jul 15, 2017 5:06 pm

Cvgspotter15 wrote:
AirportRival wrote:
Supposed to be a pretty significant announcement at CVG on Tuesday. Nothing international but from what I've heard it is pretty big.


A very high up airport official has confirmed this on my tour today


5k or 10k run/walk?
ATL BWI BOS CLT MDW ORD CVG DFW DAL DAB DEN DTW FLL RSW GNV BDL HNL IAH IND MCI LAS LAX SDF MEM MIA MKE MSP BNA EWR HVN MSY JFK LGA MCO SFB PHX PHL PVD RDU RAP RIC SLC STL CPS PIE SEA TPA DCA IAD
 
User avatar
cvgComair
Posts: 1030
Joined: Thu Jul 07, 2016 3:48 pm

Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 6

Sat Jul 15, 2017 5:08 pm

Midwestindy wrote:
Cvgspotter15 wrote:
AirportRival wrote:
Supposed to be a pretty significant announcement at CVG on Tuesday. Nothing international but from what I've heard it is pretty big.

A very high up airport official has confirmed this on my tour today

5k or 10k run/walk?

:D :D :D At least this was confirmed to be an air service announcement! However, I would love to do a running race on the CVG runways!
Next: CVG-CDG-ATH (Delta Air Lines B767-300ER, Air France A319)
A319/320/332, B712/722/732/733/738/739/752/753/763/764/772/773/788, CRJ-100/2/7/9, ERJ-145/75, MD-88/90, S340
 
User avatar
Cvgspotter15
Posts: 299
Joined: Sat May 13, 2017 6:14 pm

Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 6

Sat Jul 15, 2017 6:14 pm

cvgComair wrote:
Midwestindy wrote:
Cvgspotter15 wrote:
A very high up airport official has confirmed this on my tour today

5k or 10k run/walk?

:D :D :D At least this was confirmed to be an air service announcement! However, I would love to do a running race on the CVG runways!


His words when we asked. "Yea new flights"
 
Jshank83
Posts: 910
Joined: Tue Nov 01, 2016 2:23 pm

Re: The Rest Of Ohio - 2017

Sat Jul 15, 2017 6:20 pm

I would think it has to be F9 or DL. F9 should be updating their schedule soon and DL has talked about expanding.
 
topguncnod
Posts: 9
Joined: Tue May 30, 2017 1:46 am

Re: The Rest Of Ohio - 2017

Sat Jul 15, 2017 6:46 pm

I'm thinking the announcement involves DL. Given the recent MD88 CVG base closure and shifting those to the 737, they need to add new routes on the 737. They will also need connecting traffic to fill those planes up as they are larger than the MD's they are replacing.

Many of the MD88 pilots are training on the 737 now and Delta is actively hiring for their 737 CVG base. I believe currently DL is flying the 737 to SFO, LAX, SEA, LAS and FLL.

https://www.airlinepilotforums.com/delt ... ost2376362
 
User avatar
Cvgspotter15
Posts: 299
Joined: Sat May 13, 2017 6:14 pm

Re: The Rest Of Ohio - 2017

Sat Jul 15, 2017 6:57 pm

flyPIT wrote:
Sounds like G4 to me.
- Tuesday (Allegiant's day to make route announcements)
- Continued shift in local business model alluded to - "passengers will have the ability to fully connect in CVG. Right now only a limited number of passengers can fly thru CVG on their flights but I heard that CVG will become a fully connectable station (hub)." So that rules out DL.
- CVG already differs from the other large G4 stations by offering flights to business markets such as BWI and EWR.

So I can see G4 add a few more major markets and offer connections.


Why would Allegiant expand wait a couple days expand again and then wait a week and have a massive expansion?
 
User avatar
Cvgspotter15
Posts: 299
Joined: Sat May 13, 2017 6:14 pm

Re: The Rest Of Ohio - 2017

Sat Jul 15, 2017 6:58 pm

Jshank83 wrote:
I would think it has to be F9 or DL. F9 should be updating their schedule soon and DL has talked about expanding.


I can't see frontier either because they can barely keep up where they are now.
 
User avatar
flyPIT
Posts: 589
Joined: Wed Jun 15, 2016 6:21 am

Re: The Rest Of Ohio - 2017

Sat Jul 15, 2017 7:04 pm

Cvgspotter15 wrote:
Why would Allegiant expand wait a couple days expand again and then wait a week and have a massive expansion?

I'm not sure what you're on about.
FLYi
 
User avatar
AirportRival
Posts: 333
Joined: Mon Oct 06, 2014 6:24 pm

Re: The Rest Of Ohio - 2017

Sat Jul 15, 2017 8:14 pm

Everybody, I said significant expansion not a massive expansion. I honestly don't know the details of what that entails but it could mean a multitude of things.
A319, A320, A321, B1900F, B737-300, B737-400, B737-400F, B737-700, B737-800, B757-200, B757-200F, B767-200F, B767-300F, CRJ-200, CRJ-700, ERJ-145, E-170, E-175, MD-80, SD3-60F
 
User avatar
Cvgspotter15
Posts: 299
Joined: Sat May 13, 2017 6:14 pm

Re: The Rest Of Ohio - 2017

Sat Jul 15, 2017 9:21 pm

flyPIT wrote:
Cvgspotter15 wrote:
Why would Allegiant expand wait a couple days expand again and then wait a week and have a massive expansion?

I'm not sure what you're on about.


I'm saying they just expanded.
 
User avatar
Cvgspotter15
Posts: 299
Joined: Sat May 13, 2017 6:14 pm

Re: The Rest Of Ohio - 2017

Sat Jul 15, 2017 9:22 pm

AirportRival wrote:
Everybody, I said significant expansion not a massive expansion. I honestly don't know the details of what that entails but it could mean a multitude of things.


UPS? I saw UPS trucks at the airport today all lined up
 
User avatar
AirportRival
Posts: 333
Joined: Mon Oct 06, 2014 6:24 pm

Re: The Rest Of Ohio - 2017

Sat Jul 15, 2017 11:14 pm

Cvgspotter15 wrote:
AirportRival wrote:
Everybody, I said significant expansion not a massive expansion. I honestly don't know the details of what that entails but it could mean a multitude of things.


UPS? I saw UPS trucks at the airport today all lined up


The UPS trucks are for the wheelchair games this week.
A319, A320, A321, B1900F, B737-300, B737-400, B737-400F, B737-700, B737-800, B757-200, B757-200F, B767-200F, B767-300F, CRJ-200, CRJ-700, ERJ-145, E-170, E-175, MD-80, SD3-60F
 
flyCMH
Posts: 2195
Joined: Fri Jul 09, 1999 12:15 pm

Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 6

Sat Jul 15, 2017 11:19 pm

AirportRival wrote:
jplatts wrote:
AirportRival wrote:
Supposed to be a pretty significant announcement at CVG on Tuesday. Nothing international but from what I've heard it is pretty big.


Is the announcement about Alaska, jetBlue, or Spirit starting service out of CVG?


It's not about a new carrier. It's about an existing carrier. From what I've heard there will be an increase in the number of flights, destinations, and passengers will have the ability to fully connect in CVG. Right now only a limited number of passengers can fly thru CVG on their flights but I heard that CVG will become a fully connectable station (hub).


I wonder if F9 may have inadvertently left a clue that it is them in their October schedule update.

I checked to see if there might be anything new in store for CMH (there is, DEN goes from daily to 3x weekly - the good news just keeps pouring in at CMH!), but I noticed a slew of new city choices in the drop-down menu including TPA and MIA. I figured this might mean further expansion of their RSW test from CMH earlier this year, but noticed that they're all connections via DEN.

It seems as though Frontier has opened connections to the entire network from DEN, including geographically absurd ones such as CMH-DEN-MIA. I wonder if this means the same will be in store for CVG with the Tuesday announcement.
712,722,732/3/4/5/7/8/9,744,752/3,762/3,772/3,788,318,319,320,321,332,333,343,346,380,D93,
M88,M90,M11,F100,B11,L10,146,CR1/2/7/9,E35/40/45/70/75/90,E20,SF3,ATR,AT7,J41,DH1/3/4
 
lakeeffect
Posts: 466
Joined: Sat Mar 01, 2014 3:41 pm

Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 6

Sat Jul 15, 2017 11:50 pm

flyCMH wrote:
AirportRival wrote:
jplatts wrote:

Is the announcement about Alaska, jetBlue, or Spirit starting service out of CVG?


It's not about a new carrier. It's about an existing carrier. From what I've heard there will be an increase in the number of flights, destinations, and passengers will have the ability to fully connect in CVG. Right now only a limited number of passengers can fly thru CVG on their flights but I heard that CVG will become a fully connectable station (hub).


I wonder if F9 may have inadvertently left a clue that it is them in their October schedule update.

I checked to see if there might be anything new in store for CMH (there is, DEN goes from daily to 3x weekly - the good news just keeps pouring in at CMH!), but I noticed a slew of new city choices in the drop-down menu including TPA and MIA. I figured this might mean further expansion of their RSW test from CMH earlier this year, but noticed that they're all connections via DEN.

It seems as though Frontier has opened connections to the entire network from DEN, including geographically absurd ones such as CMH-DEN-MIA. I wonder if this means the same will be in store for CVG with the Tuesday announcement.


It looks like Frontier's October update is trimming a lot back. I can't seem to find any places that had capacity added in the region. CVG/CLE/CMH/DTW/PIT all see service reductions by F9 in October. In fact, it looks like the only Frontier service at PIT will be a 3x weekly flight to MCO, with LAS and DEN being dropped.
 
User avatar
AirportRival
Posts: 333
Joined: Mon Oct 06, 2014 6:24 pm

Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 6

Sun Jul 16, 2017 12:33 am

flyCMH wrote:
AirportRival wrote:
jplatts wrote:

Is the announcement about Alaska, jetBlue, or Spirit starting service out of CVG?


It's not about a new carrier. It's about an existing carrier. From what I've heard there will be an increase in the number of flights, destinations, and passengers will have the ability to fully connect in CVG. Right now only a limited number of passengers can fly thru CVG on their flights but I heard that CVG will become a fully connectable station (hub).


I wonder if F9 may have inadvertently left a clue that it is them in their October schedule update.

I checked to see if there might be anything new in store for CMH (there is, DEN goes from daily to 3x weekly - the good news just keeps pouring in at CMH!), but I noticed a slew of new city choices in the drop-down menu including TPA and MIA. I figured this might mean further expansion of their RSW test from CMH earlier this year, but noticed that they're all connections via DEN.

It seems as though Frontier has opened connections to the entire network from DEN, including geographically absurd ones such as CMH-DEN-MIA. I wonder if this means the same will be in store for CVG with the Tuesday announcement.


I have to agree with this. Frontier is doing very well in their West Coast flights from CVG and CLE so it doesn't make sense to do away with them. I think it is kind of a dummy schedule just as a place holder.
A319, A320, A321, B1900F, B737-300, B737-400, B737-400F, B737-700, B737-800, B757-200, B757-200F, B767-200F, B767-300F, CRJ-200, CRJ-700, ERJ-145, E-170, E-175, MD-80, SD3-60F
 
User avatar
Cvgspotter15
Posts: 299
Joined: Sat May 13, 2017 6:14 pm

Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 6

Sun Jul 16, 2017 12:34 am

lakeeffect wrote:
flyCMH wrote:
AirportRival wrote:

It's not about a new carrier. It's about an existing carrier. From what I've heard there will be an increase in the number of flights, destinations, and passengers will have the ability to fully connect in CVG. Right now only a limited number of passengers can fly thru CVG on their flights but I heard that CVG will become a fully connectable station (hub).


I wonder if F9 may have inadvertently left a clue that it is them in their October schedule update.

I checked to see if there might be anything new in store for CMH (there is, DEN goes from daily to 3x weekly - the good news just keeps pouring in at CMH!), but I noticed a slew of new city choices in the drop-down menu including TPA and MIA. I figured this might mean further expansion of their RSW test from CMH earlier this year, but noticed that they're all connections via DEN.

It seems as though Frontier has opened connections to the entire network from DEN, including geographically absurd ones such as CMH-DEN-MIA. I wonder if this means the same will be in store for CVG with the Tuesday announcement.


It looks like Frontier's October update is trimming a lot back. I can't seem to find any places that had capacity added in the region. CVG/CLE/CMH/DTW/PIT all see service reductions by F9 in October. In fact, it looks like the only Frontier service at PIT will be a 3x weekly flight to MCO, with LAS and DEN being dropped.


This happens every year they add them cut and add them cut.
 
User avatar
AirportRival
Posts: 333
Joined: Mon Oct 06, 2014 6:24 pm

Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 6

Sun Jul 16, 2017 12:39 am

Cvgspotter15 wrote:
lakeeffect wrote:
flyCMH wrote:

I wonder if F9 may have inadvertently left a clue that it is them in their October schedule update.

I checked to see if there might be anything new in store for CMH (there is, DEN goes from daily to 3x weekly - the good news just keeps pouring in at CMH!), but I noticed a slew of new city choices in the drop-down menu including TPA and MIA. I figured this might mean further expansion of their RSW test from CMH earlier this year, but noticed that they're all connections via DEN.

It seems as though Frontier has opened connections to the entire network from DEN, including geographically absurd ones such as CMH-DEN-MIA. I wonder if this means the same will be in store for CVG with the Tuesday announcement.


It looks like Frontier's October update is trimming a lot back. I can't seem to find any places that had capacity added in the region. CVG/CLE/CMH/DTW/PIT all see service reductions by F9 in October. In fact, it looks like the only Frontier service at PIT will be a 3x weekly flight to MCO, with LAS and DEN being dropped.


This happens every year they add them cut and add them cut.


They don't usually do it with routes that are year round and daily. I think that Frontier's schedule will be changing soon and it won't be like what they are currently showing.
A319, A320, A321, B1900F, B737-300, B737-400, B737-400F, B737-700, B737-800, B757-200, B757-200F, B767-200F, B767-300F, CRJ-200, CRJ-700, ERJ-145, E-170, E-175, MD-80, SD3-60F
 
User avatar
Cvgspotter15
Posts: 299
Joined: Sat May 13, 2017 6:14 pm

Re: The Rest Of Ohio - 2017

Sun Jul 16, 2017 12:41 am

I don't work at the airport but here is my guess.

I doubt it's frontier. They usually cut around this time and it looks like they have. I don't understand why Allegiant would have just announced something to announce something else. It can't be southwest they have just started and why would they announce new flights right before a schedule update? I doubt it would be United or American. The only thing United could do would be LAX and more mainline. American could do Phoenix and more mainline but again I don't see that happening. That leaves delta, they said they would try and crawl back but it would shock me.
 
User avatar
cvgComair
Posts: 1030
Joined: Thu Jul 07, 2016 3:48 pm

Re: The Rest Of Ohio - 2017

Sun Jul 16, 2017 1:11 am

Delta just loaded some changes for the Fall, looks like more 737 usage while pushing out A320's/MD-80's:

LAX/SLC 2nd daily eliminated on Tues/Wed/Sat (this might have been loaded earlier)
SLC 1st daily being upgauged to 737
MCO 2nd daily being upgauged to 737
SEA flights in October cut, September flights upgauged to 737
TPA is downguaged from MD80 to CRJ-900 every day
RSW Tuesday flight is being cut

It looks like more 737's are being rotated through CVG for the pilot base now that the MD-88 base is gone.
Next: CVG-CDG-ATH (Delta Air Lines B767-300ER, Air France A319)
A319/320/332, B712/722/732/733/738/739/752/753/763/764/772/773/788, CRJ-100/2/7/9, ERJ-145/75, MD-88/90, S340
 
lakeeffect
Posts: 466
Joined: Sat Mar 01, 2014 3:41 pm

Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 6

Sun Jul 16, 2017 1:42 am

AirportRival wrote:
Cvgspotter15 wrote:
lakeeffect wrote:

It looks like Frontier's October update is trimming a lot back. I can't seem to find any places that had capacity added in the region. CVG/CLE/CMH/DTW/PIT all see service reductions by F9 in October. In fact, it looks like the only Frontier service at PIT will be a 3x weekly flight to MCO, with LAS and DEN being dropped.


This happens every year they add them cut and add them cut.


They don't usually do it with routes that are year round and daily. I think that Frontier's schedule will be changing soon and it won't be like what they are currently showing.


It's still strange that Frontier's booking window only goes out to November 1, only 3.5 months out. It's odd that Frontier chose to start these service changes a month before their current booking window ends. Even if they are reverting to a winter schedule a few weeks earlier this year, they will be cancelling a lot of booked itineraries.
 
Shields
Posts: 54
Joined: Thu Jan 22, 2015 10:49 pm

Re: The Rest Of Ohio - 2017

Sun Jul 16, 2017 1:57 am

Wow. The Delta changes, although minor, cast doubt on the idea that DL will be making a CVG-related announcement this Tuesday.

I did notice that, in October, the evening flight to RDU is on a CR9 (an up-gauge from the CR2).
 
User avatar
Cvgspotter15
Posts: 299
Joined: Sat May 13, 2017 6:14 pm

Re: The Rest Of Ohio - 2017

Sun Jul 16, 2017 2:10 am

This is a really odd situation. As it seems no airline expansion is possible but it is confirmed by the airport.
Last edited by Cvgspotter15 on Sun Jul 16, 2017 2:18 am, edited 1 time in total.
 
User avatar
cvgComair
Posts: 1030
Joined: Thu Jul 07, 2016 3:48 pm

Re: The Rest Of Ohio - 2017

Sun Jul 16, 2017 2:16 am

Shields wrote:
Wow. The Delta changes, although minor, cast doubt on the idea that DL will be making a CVG-related announcement this Tuesday.

I did notice that, in October, the evening flight to RDU is on a CR9 (an up-gauge from the CR2).

I am not reading much into these changes. Routes to MCO/FLL/RSW/TPA are all still running higher capacity YOY this Fall than in 2015 and 2016. SLC and LAX were also operated at this lower weekly frequency during the Fall of 2015 and 2016. Plus SEA is also being operated longer into the Fall than it did in 2014, 2015, or 2016.

To me, it just looks like they are shifting around flights for more 737’s to come through CVG. I don’t think it means anything about DL’s future plans.
Next: CVG-CDG-ATH (Delta Air Lines B767-300ER, Air France A319)
A319/320/332, B712/722/732/733/738/739/752/753/763/764/772/773/788, CRJ-100/2/7/9, ERJ-145/75, MD-88/90, S340
 
User avatar
cvgComair
Posts: 1030
Joined: Thu Jul 07, 2016 3:48 pm

Re: The Rest Of Ohio - 2017

Sun Jul 16, 2017 1:48 pm

Ultimate Air Shuttle appears to be dropping the 2nd daily flight to MDW in August:
P1 LUK-MDW AUG 1.5>0.7 SEP 1.3>0.7 OCT 1.4>0.7 NOV 1.3>0.7 DEC 1.0>0.5 JAN 1.4>0.7 FEB 1.4>0.7 MAR 1.4>0.7
Next: CVG-CDG-ATH (Delta Air Lines B767-300ER, Air France A319)
A319/320/332, B712/722/732/733/738/739/752/753/763/764/772/773/788, CRJ-100/2/7/9, ERJ-145/75, MD-88/90, S340
 
WWads
Posts: 140
Joined: Mon Jul 03, 2017 11:18 pm

Re: The Rest Of Ohio - 2017

Sun Jul 16, 2017 1:50 pm

Delta is constantly reshuffling equipment, and posts significant schedule changes almost every week. It's pretty standard for them. The noted changes aren't anything unusual IMO, and don't represent significant cuts. I'm not surprised that the TPA flight went to an RJ.
 
DeltaRules
Posts: 4111
Joined: Sat Sep 01, 2001 11:57 am

Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 6

Sun Jul 16, 2017 9:18 pm

I'd guess some sort of connections by F9 or G4 at CVG. It wouldn't surprise me- I never saw crew and aircraft bases at CVG by G4 given their tendency to have bases in destination markets in the first place, yet it happened.

jplatts wrote:
johnyv wrote:
With WN leaving DAY, DAY no longer has any 737 scheduled service. When was the last time DAY had no scheduled 737 service? I remember in the 90s UA flying 735 & 733 into DAY regularly!


Delta currently flies DAY-ATL with MD-88 and MD-90 planes, and American currently flies DFW-ATL with MD-80 planes. Both Delta and American do have Boeing 737 planes in their fleets, and there is the possibility of AA or DL flying Boeing 737s into DAY in the near future, especially with AA retiring its MD-80 planes.


DL occasionally runs ATL-DAY on a 738. I saw one waiting to go at E2 at ATL last summer.

jplatts wrote:
Are the Southwest CVG-BWI nonstop flights doing well? Is there enough demand for Southwest to add a CVG-DCA nonstop or a 4th CVG-BWI nonstop?


I figure the fate of this possibility rides with the same major factor as the CMH-LGA flights WN wants to add but can't: slots.
A310/319/320/321/333, ARJ, BN2, B722/73S/733/734/735/73G/738/739/744/757/753/767/763/764/777, CR1/2/7/9, DH6, 328, EM2/ERJ/E70/E75/E90, F28/100, J31, L10/12/15, DC9/D93/D94/D95/M80/M88/M90/D10, SF3, SST
 
User avatar
Cvgspotter15
Posts: 299
Joined: Sat May 13, 2017 6:14 pm

Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 6

Sun Jul 16, 2017 9:29 pm

DeltaRules wrote:
I'd guess some sort of connections by F9 or G4 at CVG. It wouldn't surprise me- I never saw crew and aircraft bases at CVG by G4 given their tendency to have bases in destination markets in the first place, yet it happened.

jplatts wrote:
johnyv wrote:
With WN leaving DAY, DAY no longer has any 737 scheduled service. When was the last time DAY had no scheduled 737 service? I remember in the 90s UA flying 735 & 733 into DAY regularly!


Delta currently flies DAY-ATL with MD-88 and MD-90 planes, and American currently flies DFW-ATL with MD-80 planes. Both Delta and American do have Boeing 737 planes in their fleets, and there is the possibility of AA or DL flying Boeing 737s into DAY in the near future, especially with AA retiring its MD-80 planes.


DL occasionally runs ATL-DAY on a 738. I saw one waiting to go at E2 at ATL last summer.

jplatts wrote:
Are the Southwest CVG-BWI nonstop flights doing well? Is there enough demand for Southwest to add a CVG-DCA nonstop or a 4th CVG-BWI nonstop?


I figure the fate of this possibility rides with the same major factor as the CMH-LGA flights WN wants to add but can't: slots.


My question again is why did Allegiant just expand in late June to expand again a month later?
 
User avatar
flyPIT
Posts: 589
Joined: Wed Jun 15, 2016 6:21 am

Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 6

Sun Jul 16, 2017 10:03 pm

Cvgspotter15 wrote:
My question again is why did Allegiant just expand in late June to expand again a month later?

There won't be an expansion on Tuesday by anyone, just an announcement of expansion. The actual expansion might be 8 months from now for all we know.
FLYi
 
User avatar
cvgComair
Posts: 1030
Joined: Thu Jul 07, 2016 3:48 pm

Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 6

Sun Jul 16, 2017 10:40 pm

flyPIT wrote:
Cvgspotter15 wrote:
My question again is why did Allegiant just expand in late June to expand again a month later?

There won't be an expansion on Tuesday by anyone, just an announcement of expansion. The actual expansion might be 8 months from now for all we know.

Allegiant had an announcement only three weeks ago (four by Tuesday). I doubt they would announce even more routes right on top of a previous big announcement (PVD, LAX, RDU).

Plus the amount of banking and flight adding they would need to do for meaningful connections is a lot. Same with F9, especially with their recents cuts, it is harder to make connections work when you only have a dozen or so flights a day. Not saying it can’t be done (I would love to see G4/F9 connections), it just seems too far fetched IMO.
Next: CVG-CDG-ATH (Delta Air Lines B767-300ER, Air France A319)
A319/320/332, B712/722/732/733/738/739/752/753/763/764/772/773/788, CRJ-100/2/7/9, ERJ-145/75, MD-88/90, S340
 
User avatar
Cvgspotter15
Posts: 299
Joined: Sat May 13, 2017 6:14 pm

Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 6

Sun Jul 16, 2017 11:24 pm

[*]
flyPIT wrote:
Cvgspotter15 wrote:
My question again is why did Allegiant just expand in late June to expand again a month later?

There won't be an expansion on Tuesday by anyone, just an announcement of expansion. The actual expansion might be 8 months from now for all we know.


As cvgcomair just said they just announced an expansion! And a relatively big one. Which I have been trying to say this whole time!
 
User avatar
flyPIT
Posts: 589
Joined: Wed Jun 15, 2016 6:21 am

Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 6

Sun Jul 16, 2017 11:56 pm

Cvgspotter15 wrote:

As cvgcomair just said they just announced an expansion! And a relatively big one. Which I have been trying to say this whole time!


Relax. You werent clear about what you were saying as there is a big difference between an expansion and an announcement of one.

If it is G4 announcement it will hardly be the first time an airline announced an expansion two months in a row. We'll find out on Tue what's going on. I hope it's great news for CVG.
FLYi
 
User avatar
Cvgspotter15
Posts: 299
Joined: Sat May 13, 2017 6:14 pm

Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 6

Mon Jul 17, 2017 12:46 am

flyPIT wrote:
Cvgspotter15 wrote:

As cvgcomair just said they just announced an expansion! And a relatively big one. Which I have been trying to say this whole time!


Relax. You werent clear about what you were saying as there is a big difference between an expansion and an announcement of one.

If it is G4 announcement it will hardly be the first time an airline announced an expansion two months in a row. We'll find out on Tue what's going on. I hope it's great news for CVG.


Sorry for the misunderstanding. And yea me too.
 
Jshank83
Posts: 910
Joined: Tue Nov 01, 2016 2:23 pm

Re: The Rest Of Ohio - 2017

Mon Jul 17, 2017 3:45 pm

FWIW, OKC is supposedly having an announcement tomorrow of a new airline. So, that makes me think their announcement will be F9 and since CVG is also having an announcement tomorrow then it makes sense it will be F9 related also and they are extending their schedule finally.
 
jtwall
Posts: 6
Joined: Mon Jul 17, 2017 9:19 am

Re: The Rest Of Ohio - 2017

Mon Jul 17, 2017 4:01 pm

Hi all, long time lurker, first time poster here. I fly through CVG about monthly and love the conversation.

Pitching in my thoughts, I am starting to doubt how "major" or big it might be. For previous large expansions, CVG seems to announce a scheduled time or at least hint of a forthcoming announcement over their social media channels. Yet nothing yet about tomorrow.
 
User avatar
cvgComair
Posts: 1030
Joined: Thu Jul 07, 2016 3:48 pm

Re: The Rest Of Ohio - 2017

Mon Jul 17, 2017 4:11 pm

I am not so sure what big expansion Frontier would be able to make going into the low travel season. I feel like if it is Frontier, we would see an aircraft/crew base plus a few new seasonal flights. Unless they are bringing back the West coast flights this Winter, I really don’t see what connecting opportunities CVG would provide to F9.

Unless anything else leaks, we are just going to have to wait until tomorrow :-).
Next: CVG-CDG-ATH (Delta Air Lines B767-300ER, Air France A319)
A319/320/332, B712/722/732/733/738/739/752/753/763/764/772/773/788, CRJ-100/2/7/9, ERJ-145/75, MD-88/90, S340
 
User avatar
Cvgspotter15
Posts: 299
Joined: Sat May 13, 2017 6:14 pm

Re: The Rest Of Ohio - 2017

Mon Jul 17, 2017 4:32 pm

cvgComair wrote:
I am not so sure what big expansion Frontier would be able to make going into the low travel season. I feel like if it is Frontier, we would see an aircraft/crew base plus a few new seasonal flights. Unless they are bringing back the West coast flights this Winter, I really don’t see what connecting opportunities CVG would provide to F9.

Unless anything else leaks, we are just going to have to wait until tomorrow :-).


Honestly the only "major" announcement I see happening would be delta at this point in time. Frontier usually announces new flights for the spring or a couple routes for the winter. But the couple routes aren't "major". And Allegiant just announced a "major" expansion for them in late June. Southwest's schedule update isn't for a couple more weeks. The only legacy carrier expansion would be American to PHX and maybe some more mainline but is that "major". I guess the only major thing would be a few new routes like frontier's expansion a couple years back with the 29 new weekly flights. Or an international or a new carrier. And I don't think it's the latter 2. That's my insight.
 
WWads
Posts: 140
Joined: Mon Jul 03, 2017 11:18 pm

Re: The Rest Of Ohio - 2017

Mon Jul 17, 2017 5:27 pm

I simply don't see any other carrier being able to offer connections at CVG, not in a significant enough manner to be mentioned anyway. A is close to bursting at this point, unless a major concourse shakeup is also going to be announced tomorrow.
 
User avatar
cvgComair
Posts: 1030
Joined: Thu Jul 07, 2016 3:48 pm

Re: The Rest Of Ohio - 2017

Mon Jul 17, 2017 5:42 pm

There is a Frontier press conference tomorrow for an eight route expansion at MIA with Frontier. I also heard something about Frontier at Grand Rapids, looks like a large system-wide announcement for Frontier.
Next: CVG-CDG-ATH (Delta Air Lines B767-300ER, Air France A319)
A319/320/332, B712/722/732/733/738/739/752/753/763/764/772/773/788, CRJ-100/2/7/9, ERJ-145/75, MD-88/90, S340
 
flyingfromcvg
Posts: 29
Joined: Mon Jun 22, 2015 2:44 am

Re: The Rest Of Ohio - 2017

Mon Jul 17, 2017 5:42 pm

Maybe CVG has reached an agreement with DL on those four B gates that have been discussed lately. Four gates in the hands of F9 or WN would be interesting. No way G4 is going to actually try to pitch connections. If F9 is committed to ULCC model I have trouble seeing it for them as well. I doubt UA or AA are interested in creating a mini-hub with ORD so close even though it's horrid for weather delays. Personally would love to see DL do something, but just can't see it with DTW so close and their commitment to making CVG a reflection of the market O&D.

Popular Searches On Airliners.net

Top Photos of Last:   24 Hours  •  48 Hours  •  7 Days  •  30 Days  •  180 Days  •  365 Days  •  All Time

Military Aircraft Every type from fighters to helicopters from air forces around the globe

Classic Airliners Props and jets from the good old days

Flight Decks Views from inside the cockpit

Aircraft Cabins Passenger cabin shots showing seat arrangements as well as cargo aircraft interior

Cargo Aircraft Pictures of great freighter aircraft

Government Aircraft Aircraft flying government officials

Helicopters Our large helicopter section. Both military and civil versions

Blimps / Airships Everything from the Goodyear blimp to the Zeppelin

Night Photos Beautiful shots taken while the sun is below the horizon

Accidents Accident, incident and crash related photos

Air to Air Photos taken by airborne photographers of airborne aircraft

Special Paint Schemes Aircraft painted in beautiful and original liveries

Airport Overviews Airport overviews from the air or ground

Tails and Winglets Tail and Winglet closeups with beautiful airline logos