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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 6

Fri Jul 07, 2017 1:00 am

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I was helping Delta and Allegiant passengers recheck their luggage in the international arrivals area today and I've gotta say that I was rather surprised by the number of connecting passengers on Delta. I don't work for Delta so I have no idea what the percentages are. I was even more surprised that most of them seemed to be going to other hubs and not the few non-hub cities that Delta offers from CVG.


I have seen this occur as well, I am especially surprised by the amount of people going through Cincinnati to get to Atlanta, Detroit, Minneapolis and New York. I was talking to a check-in agent about this in LA, and they were saying DL's reservation system puts award tickets on less convenient itineraries on purpose. He thought it was to free room on higher demand routes and paying passengers, but did not know for sure. For instance, when booking with money, the cheapest option is LAX-CVG, but when I use points, I am often routed LAX-LAS-CVG, LAX-SFO-CVG, LAX-SEA-CVG (I have done all of these). Other examples include CVG-ATL-LAS when there is a nonstop CVG-LAS, and it always seems to happen on award tickets. Since I am CVG based, I have not had experience with other hubs, but I would assume they do this at other hub cities.


Interesting. That makes sense from Delta's perspective. In related discussion, I feel like the international arrivals area could use a rehab. It feels a little dated to me.
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 6

Fri Jul 07, 2017 1:23 am

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In related discussion, I feel like the international arrivals area could use a rehab. It feels a little dated to me.

According to the Terminal Modernization bid, the customs area will get a minor facelift with new paint, signage, and carpet.

Bids are going up in the next few days for the Concourse A pavement rehab. Also looks like the airport wants "Common Use - Shared Use Passenger Procession Systems", which suggest common use ticketing counters and gates to me. I would think this would be useful in Concourse A and at international gates in Concourse B.
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 6

Fri Jul 07, 2017 2:08 am

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In related discussion, I feel like the international arrivals area could use a rehab. It feels a little dated to me.

According to the Terminal Modernization bid, the customs area will get a minor facelift with new paint, signage, and carpet.

Bids are going up in the next few days for the Concourse A pavement rehab. Also looks like the airport wants "Common Use - Shared Use Passenger Procession Systems", which suggest common use ticketing counters and gates to me. I would think this would be useful in Concourse A and at international gates in Concourse B.


The Concourse A pavement replacement is set to start in September. Making all gates and counters shared use could be the game changer we were all discussing before. Especially if they do it at the international gates.

I'm not sure how common use works though. I'm guessing that airlines would essentially use the same gates for the most part due to equipment staging and such but maybe it would open the "overflow" gates, as they are known now, to become truly common use and any airline would be able to board out of them?
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 6

Fri Jul 07, 2017 2:44 am

IMO, the international gate situation is moot if DL chooses to start CVG-LHR (still by far the most likely scenario). Cincy simply doesn't have the UK-US appeal that other smaller BA markets like MSY, AUS, and PHX have. Condor is a possibility, but again, where's the EU-US appeal in this market?
 
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 6

Fri Jul 07, 2017 3:03 am

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IMO, the international gate situation is moot if DL chooses to start CVG-LHR (still by far the most likely scenario). Cincy simply doesn't have the UK-US appeal that other smaller BA markets like MSY, AUS, and PHX have. Condor is a possibility, but again, where's the EU-US appeal in this market?

I'm not sure I would call PHX a small BA market — just recently they were running x11 weekly 744 (it's since reverted back to the usual daily 744). I think there are a few other more likely candidate cities for BA to start before CVG. I would think DL is more likely, but I wouldn't put it past somebody like Norwegian to start up a flight to LGW at some point. They've made stranger routes work in recent years. CVG seems to have stemmed the tide and managed some moderate passenger gains, so landing a route to London would be a big win after all these years of losses.
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 6

Fri Jul 07, 2017 1:39 pm

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IMO, the international gate situation is moot if DL chooses to start CVG-LHR (still by far the most likely scenario). Cincy simply doesn't have the UK-US appeal that other smaller BA markets like MSY, AUS, and PHX have. Condor is a possibility, but again, where's the EU-US appeal in this market?


Truth be told, I don't see the "appeal" in terms of tourism for any Midwestern city (or AUS, for that matter), as much as I'd love CMH-Europe nonstops. That said, PIT has three TATL flights with no major airline hub to feed it on the US side. RDU and AUS aren't Midwest, but each have two and don't strike me as particularly interesting, either.

Money and perceived opportunity talks, I guess.
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 6

Fri Jul 07, 2017 1:43 pm

RDU is a DL focus city though, so there is some connecting traffic. Flights to europe via RDU have come up for me in searches before.
 
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 6

Fri Jul 07, 2017 1:52 pm

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IMO, the international gate situation is moot if DL chooses to start CVG-LHR (still by far the most likely scenario). Cincy simply doesn't have the UK-US appeal that other smaller BA markets like MSY, AUS, and PHX have. Condor is a possibility, but again, where's the EU-US appeal in this market?


Truth be told, I don't see the "appeal" in terms of tourism for any Midwestern city (or AUS, for that matter), as much as I'd love CMH-Europe nonstops. That said, PIT has three TATL flights with no major airline hub to feed it on the US side. RDU and AUS aren't Midwest, but each have two and don't strike me as particularly interesting, either.

Money and perceived opportunity talks, I guess.
Just because not many people go on vacation to Columbus (for example), doesn't mean people don't go there. People go for business, family, school, etc. I am sure there are also people from central Ohio that do vacation in Europe too. Not everyone goes to Cedar Point and Hilton Head :D .
 
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 6

Sat Jul 08, 2017 3:36 pm

Hmm, it looks like DL is hiring ready reserve TA/GAs at CVG. I don't think I've seen DL job openings at CVG in a long time. It is ready reserve, so they're obviously not looking to increase permanent staff levels, but still.

https://delta.greatjob.net/jobs/JobDesc ... d29ce35a2d
 
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 6

Sat Jul 08, 2017 4:29 pm

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Hmm, it looks like DL is hiring ready reserve TA/GAs at CVG. I don't think I've seen DL job openings at CVG in a long time. It is ready reserve, so they're obviously not looking to increase permanent staff levels, but still.

https://delta.greatjob.net/jobs/JobDesc ... d29ce35a2d

The post was put up this past March, I think it was to have some extra staff here for this Summer since DL traffic levels were significantly up at CVG compared to 2015 when DL made its most recent layoff of employees. It seems like DL probably made a bad decision to layoff the employees they did in 2015, as the check-in line gets pretty backed up during peak times, pretty sad when it takes 2-3x the time to get from door to gate at CVG than it does at SFO and LAX.
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 6

Sat Jul 08, 2017 4:57 pm

That was my thought. A few of my favorite CVG SC people aren't around anymore. :(

I really hope that DL prioritized the laid-off employees in the hiring process. Yet another example of DL's most recent cuts being far too deep.
 
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 6

Sat Jul 08, 2017 7:25 pm

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DL has said that they cut too far at CVG the last few years. We can now see them tying to fix that mistake; daily roundtrips to LAS and SFO, upgrading MCO to 3 flights from 1, larger equipment, etc. To me, it seems illogical to try to claw back the market share they have lost, to simply turn around and hand the other airlines 6 more gates.

I have no inside track, so I don't know. I'll guess we'll see in a few years down the road what is going to happen.


While I agree that DL has cut too far at CVG and seems to be reversing course somewhat, was there ever an "official" statement by them admitting that? I never recall seeing one in the news.
 
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 6

Sat Jul 08, 2017 7:28 pm

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While I agree that DL has cut too far at CVG and seems to be reversing course somewhat, was there ever an "official" statement by them admitting that? I never recall seeing one in the news.


I believe the airport (CEO, I think) was quoted saying that DL thought it had cut too deep at CVG, I will look for the article.
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 6

Mon Jul 10, 2017 4:14 pm

There is a new Frontier CVG-MCO 10:45 flight. So MCO has gone 2 daily. One on an A321 and one on an A319.
 
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Mon Jul 10, 2017 4:15 pm

What do you guys think will be the next route expansion?
 
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Mon Jul 10, 2017 4:18 pm

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Mon Jul 10, 2017 4:22 pm

I don't think Monday is a "peak day" for Allegiant at CVG but they still have 13 flights today!
 
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Mon Jul 10, 2017 4:37 pm

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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 6

Mon Jul 10, 2017 10:57 pm

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There is a new Frontier CVG-MCO 10:45 flight. So MCO has gone 2 daily. One on an A321 and one on an A319.


This has been going since the 1st and will stop on the 15th.
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 6

Mon Jul 10, 2017 11:38 pm

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Cvgspotter15 wrote:
There is a new Frontier CVG-MCO 10:45 flight. So MCO has gone 2 daily. One on an A321 and one on an A319.

This has been going since the 1st and will stop on the 15th.

It was also double daily during the Spring.
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 6

Tue Jul 11, 2017 8:14 pm

Looks like DL has laid down roots at C49 in addition to C50-56 at CMH, putting them at 8 gates- the podium has one of the brown Delta-branded contract of carriage decals on the side and the video screen at the gate now has a DL departure board.

This gives them every gate in C except, ironically enough, the four gates they had before moving to the far end of the concourse.
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 6

Wed Jul 12, 2017 1:56 am

It appears the 3rd daily frequency on DL's CVG-DFW will return next summer (5/3/18). It looked like it would being going down to 2x/day permantley, but that does not appear to be the case anymore. Instead of 3x/CR9, the route will operate 1xCR9/2xCR7, which is not a huge seat change, but AA's mainline service has probably hurt DL on the route.
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 6

Wed Jul 12, 2017 3:13 am

I would think that a 717 and CRJ7 could work. Supposedly once the CS100s come on line, the 717s are coming back from the West Coast. That should help CVG a lot.
 
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 6

Wed Jul 12, 2017 3:16 pm

A1 at CVG will be open for use this weekend. A4 will be temporarily closed and used for a wheelchair lift while Swift and Volaris will be using A1 for their international departures. The wheelchair games start on the 15th I think.
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 6

Wed Jul 12, 2017 6:02 pm

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I would think that a 717 and CRJ7 could work. Supposedly once the CS100s come on line, the 717s are coming back from the West Coast. That should help CVG a lot.

I totally agree. They are already using the 717 on CVG-ATL/DTW/BOS/MSP/DEN/DCA/TPA and I think a few other routes could take advantage of mainline service. I think CVG-NYC will be the next market DL will introduce the 717's on from CVG, but I could see them on CVG-DFW/IAH/ORD eventually as well.

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A1 at CVG will be open for use this weekend. A4 will be temporarily closed and used for a wheelchair lift while Swift and Volaris will be using A1 for their international departures. The wheelchair games start on the 15th I think.

Do you know what gate OneJet will use?
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 6

Wed Jul 12, 2017 11:37 pm

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Do you know what gate OneJet will use?


OneJet no longer uses a gate. Their designated spot is now Remote spot R27. I honestly can't get a handle on OneJet. They seem to have decent loads out of CVG but they cancel so many flights that it has to be nearly impossible to build a solid customer base.
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 6

Thu Jul 13, 2017 12:06 am

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Do you know what gate OneJet will use?


OneJet no longer uses a gate. Their designated spot is now Remote spot R27. I honestly can't get a handle on OneJet. They seem to have decent loads out of CVG but they cancel so many flights that it has to be nearly impossible to build a solid customer base.


Where does the OneJet GA work at then? Do they use a gate's podium, but not the gate itself? With how packed A is, I can't imagine that the airport would want them tying up a gate without actually using the jet bridge, especially during peak periods.

My guess is that OneJet isn't going to last. Most of these boutique public charters without codeshare agreements don't work. GLO at MSY is folding, and lots of cancellations don't bode well for OneJet.
 
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 6

Thu Jul 13, 2017 12:24 am

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Do you know what gate OneJet will use?


OneJet no longer uses a gate. Their designated spot is now Remote spot R27. I honestly can't get a handle on OneJet. They seem to have decent loads out of CVG but they cancel so many flights that it has to be nearly impossible to build a solid customer base.


Where does the OneJet GA work at then? Do they use a gate's podium, but not the gate itself? With how packed A is, I can't imagine that the airport would want them tying up a gate without actually using the jet bridge, especially during peak periods.

My guess is that OneJet isn't going to last. Most of these boutique public charters without codeshare agreements don't work. GLO at MSY is folding, and lots of cancellations don't bode well for OneJet.


Good question. I should have been more descriptive before. So OneJet's official gate of arrival/departure is A4a. It is under the current A4 gate area and is the former pick-up and drop-off area for the Concourse C shuttle busses. They have a little podium down there with a few seats and magazines. To get the passengers to and from the plane the ground handler uses a people mover (an extended golf cart) that can seat 10ish people.
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 6

Thu Jul 13, 2017 1:11 am

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Good question. I should have been more descriptive before. So OneJet's official gate of arrival/departure is A4a. It is under the current A4 gate area and is the former pick-up and drop-off area for the Concourse C shuttle busses. They have a little podium down there with a few seats and magazines. To get the passengers to and from the plane the ground handler uses a people mover (an extended golf cart) that can seat 10ish people.


Thanks for the info! If they are not using a gate, I am surprised they just don't use the Concourse C shuttle stop at Terminal 3 (which was never used). I would think that would be more convenient for customers, though there is no equipment there and they would need more staff. I agree with WWads that OneJet probably will not last, they have had so much trouble and they have a very ambitious growth plan. I have also noticed that OneJet's planes have been leaving really late as well, seems like a big hassle to use them.

Ultimate Air Shuttle has done a really good job being carful about their routes and the 30 seat planes help for sure. Apparently they have a 100% flight completion rate and they almost always leave on-time or ahead of schedule. I think LUK-PIT would be a perfect route for them, but they probably need OneJet to leave before that happens.

They are supposed to be getting a new plane soon and adding a new route later this year, I will be interested to see what route they choose. LUK-BKL has done really well and LUK-PDK seems to be off to a good start. They have had trouble getting used ERJ-135's due to low fuel prices. I know AA is putting their ERJ-140's back into service, so I am not sure how they could get more planes unless they are willing to get larger ERJ-145's or CRJ-100's.
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 6

Thu Jul 13, 2017 1:40 am

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Good question. I should have been more descriptive before. So OneJet's official gate of arrival/departure is A4a. It is under the current A4 gate area and is the former pick-up and drop-off area for the Concourse C shuttle busses. They have a little podium down there with a few seats and magazines. To get the passengers to and from the plane the ground handler uses a people mover (an extended golf cart) that can seat 10ish people.


Thanks for the info! If they are not using a gate, I am surprised they just don't use the Concourse C shuttle stop at Terminal 3 (which was never used). I would think that would be more convenient for customers, though there is no equipment there and they would need more staff. I agree with WWads that OneJet probably will not last, they have had so much trouble and they have a very ambitious growth plan. I have also noticed that OneJet's planes have been leaving really late as well, seems like a big hassle to use them.

Ultimate Air Shuttle has done a really good job being carful about their routes and the 30 seat planes help for sure. Apparently they have a 100% flight completion rate and they almost always leave on-time or ahead of schedule. I think LUK-PIT would be a perfect route for them, but they probably need OneJet to leave before that happens.

They are supposed to be getting a new plane soon and adding a new route later this year, I will be interested to see what route they choose. LUK-BKL has done really well and LUK-PDK seems to be off to a good start. They have had trouble getting used ERJ-135's due to low fuel prices. I know AA is putting their ERJ-140's back into service, so I am not sure how they could get more planes unless they are willing to get larger ERJ-145's or CRJ-100's.


I've thought about them using the shuttle stop in the terminal as well but can only speculate as to why they don't. One would be that the airport would most likely want to go in and refurbish that area as it has been a while since it was accessible by the public and that cost money that they may not want to spend. And two would be that they probably prefer the few passengers that OneJet has to have access to the concessions and putting them in the terminal wouldn't allow that.

I love Ultimate Air Shuttle. In my opinion they are the new Comair (the hometown airline). They aren't growing as fast and don't really offer much for the penny pinchers but that's fine. I'm hoping and praying that they continue to do well and grow in Cincy. Though I'm not sure how much more growing they can do at LUK and am curious if they will ever return to CVG and if they do would it be as a Part 121 carrier.
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 6

Thu Jul 13, 2017 2:20 am

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I love Ultimate Air Shuttle. In my opinion they are the new Comair (the hometown airline). They aren't growing as fast and don't really offer much for the penny pinchers but that's fine. I'm hoping and praying that they continue to do well and grow in Cincy. Though I'm not sure how much more growing they can do at LUK and am curious if they will ever return to CVG and if they do would it be as a Part 121 carrier.


They are doing a lot of work at LUK which definitely will help Ultimate Air Shuttle out. They are removing the cross-wind runway, extending the main runway, adding a parallel taxiway, and adding a bunch of new parking spots. I know they love LUK and it is super convenient, but they are running out of room for parking. I would love to see them move to CVG and I think they would prefer to be in the terminal area rather than thrown down at Delta Private Jets. I think they could create a good setup using Garage 1 for parking and putting their planes at the old Comair ramp like Comair used to do.

Though, them being a Part 121 carrier would be interesting and would allow them to use larger planes. A few years ago I would have said Ultimate would not have done it, but the scheduled passenger service has gone from an extra way to get revenue from their charter planes to their main business. I think they would be willing to go Part 121, but they would probably do something like giving all passengers Pre-Check or possibly getting CLEAR in Cincinnati (now that would be cool :-)). This would also allow them to use real gates, which would be a nice touch. I think they would do very well and the "hometown airline" vibe would certainly help them against other carriers. The PIT business community is putting a tremendous amount of money into OneJet, I wonder what it would take to get the Cincy business community to do the same for Ultimate Air Shuttle.

Here is the renderings of the rental car area, should not touch garage 1 or the old Comair ramp:

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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 6

Thu Jul 13, 2017 4:44 pm

Looks like Southwest did a nice feature on Cincinnati in the latest issue of their in-flight magazine:

https://issuu.com/southwestmag/docs/july2017/70

It doesn't really mean much in the grand scheme of things, but Cincinnati often flies under the radar for most people, so it's kind of cool to see the area called out in such a positive light.
 
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 6

Thu Jul 13, 2017 9:07 pm

Is there even enough demand for Southwest to serve MKE nonstop from CVG? Delta currently only does 1 daily nonstop between CVG and MKE on a regional jet, and the only way to get between CVG and MKE on Southwest is to fly through BWI, which is clearly out of the way and almost 6 times as long as the flight time of the DL CVG-MKE nonstop flight. Southwest is also the dominant carrier at MKE and has triple the market share that Delta has at MKE. In addition, there are Milwaukee-based companies that have a presence in the Cincinnati tri-state region, including Johnson Controls, Manpower, Miller Brewing Company, Northwestern Mutual, and Rockwell Automation.

CVG used to have 7 nonstops to MKE on Delta Air Lines 15 years ago, with 3 of these 7 flights being mainline flights. Is MKE really underserved out of CVG, or were the additional CVG-MKE nonstops being used to connect passengers between MKE and the East Coast 15 years ago?
 
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 6

Thu Jul 13, 2017 11:28 pm

jplatts wrote:
Is there even enough demand for Southwest to serve MKE nonstop from CVG? Delta currently only does 1 daily nonstop between CVG and MKE on a regional jet, and the only way to get between CVG and MKE on Southwest is to fly through BWI, which is clearly out of the way and almost 6 times as long as the flight time of the DL CVG-MKE nonstop flight. Southwest is also the dominant carrier at MKE and has triple the market share that Delta has at MKE. In addition, there are Milwaukee-based companies that have a presence in the Cincinnati tri-state region, including Johnson Controls, Manpower, Miller Brewing Company, Northwestern Mutual, and Rockwell Automation.

CVG used to have 7 nonstops to MKE on Delta Air Lines 15 years ago, with 3 of these 7 flights being mainline flights. Is MKE really underserved out of CVG, or were the additional CVG-MKE nonstops being used to connect passengers between MKE and the East Coast 15 years ago?

In the far future the route might work, but there really is not that much demand between CVG and MKE. Currently there are only about 50-60 passengers a day, which works well for DL's single CRJ-200. I could see DL putting a CRJ-700 on the route in the coming years, but other than that, I don't see any reason for WN to serve the route soon. When that route was 7x, most of those passengers were connecting.
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 6

Fri Jul 14, 2017 8:10 pm

Supposed to be a pretty significant announcement at CVG on Tuesday. Nothing international but from what I've heard it is pretty big.
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 6

Fri Jul 14, 2017 9:12 pm

AirportRival wrote:
Supposed to be a pretty significant announcement at CVG on Tuesday. Nothing international but from what I've heard it is pretty big.

:confused: Not sure there's much more that could truly be classified as significant at CVG beyond international. A big DL or WN expansion are the only non-international things I could think of that would qualify as "significant."
 
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 6

Fri Jul 14, 2017 9:36 pm

AirportRival wrote:
Supposed to be a pretty significant announcement at CVG on Tuesday. Nothing international but from what I've heard it is pretty big.


Is the announcement about Alaska, jetBlue, or Spirit starting service out of CVG?
 
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 6

Fri Jul 14, 2017 10:28 pm

jplatts wrote:
AirportRival wrote:
Supposed to be a pretty significant announcement at CVG on Tuesday. Nothing international but from what I've heard it is pretty big.


Is the announcement about Alaska, jetBlue, or Spirit starting service out of CVG?


It's not about a new carrier. It's about an existing carrier. From what I've heard there will be an increase in the number of flights, destinations, and passengers will have the ability to fully connect in CVG. Right now only a limited number of passengers can fly thru CVG on their flights but I heard that CVG will become a fully connectable station (hub).
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 6

Fri Jul 14, 2017 10:46 pm

I would think DL because I don’t see G4 adding connections (plus they don’t currently offer connections) and F9 is trying to eliminate connections. I highly doubt AA or UA will add connections either.

Though, F9 does have limited connections, so I could possibly see them expanding. Also, they are due for a schedule extension, as flights are only loaded to 11/1.

It seems most like DL to me, I could see something like a redesignation as a hub, SEC filings, etc. with the adding of some connecting frequencies and some of the destinations we have been discussing.
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 6

Fri Jul 14, 2017 11:10 pm

AirportRival wrote:
jplatts wrote:
AirportRival wrote:
Supposed to be a pretty significant announcement at CVG on Tuesday. Nothing international but from what I've heard it is pretty big.


Is the announcement about Alaska, jetBlue, or Spirit starting service out of CVG?


It's not about a new carrier. It's about an existing carrier. From what I've heard there will be an increase in the number of flights, destinations, and passengers will have the ability to fully connect in CVG. Right now only a limited number of passengers can fly thru CVG on their flights but I heard that CVG will become a fully connectable station (hub).

:scratchchin:

I would say F9, but as Comair pointed out, their strategy has specifically been to pivot away from connections...could this maybe be F9 adding some routes and establishing a formal crew/aircraft base in CVG and not necessarily a connecting complex?

DL could make sense, but frankly I would be very surprised at such an about face by them. Though I'd welcome growth by them all the same.

G4 doesn't do connections at all anywhere.

I can't see AA/UA making any sense.

WN sounds like a possibility here though as they're new to the market and do operate connections.
 
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 6

Fri Jul 14, 2017 11:34 pm

With WN leaving DAY, DAY no longer has any 737 scheduled service. When was the last time DAY had no scheduled 737 service? I remember in the 90s UA flying 735 & 733 into DAY regularly!
 
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 6

Fri Jul 14, 2017 11:56 pm

johnyv wrote:
With WN leaving DAY, DAY no longer has any 737 scheduled service. When was the last time DAY had no scheduled 737 service? I remember in the 90s UA flying 735 & 733 into DAY regularly!


Delta currently flies DAY-ATL with MD-88 and MD-90 planes, and American currently flies DFW-ATL with MD-80 planes. Both Delta and American do have Boeing 737 planes in their fleets, and there is the possibility of AA or DL flying Boeing 737s into DAY in the near future, especially with AA retiring its MD-80 planes.
 
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 6

Sat Jul 15, 2017 12:09 am

F9 actually updated their October schedule today. For both CLE and CVG, the west coast non stops are now seasonally suspended around October 4th. It looks like MSP and IAH also seasonally end on those dates. I would assume that F9 will extend this new October schedule going forward, but it doesn't look like any flights are bookable after Nov 1.
 
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 6

Sat Jul 15, 2017 1:21 am

flyguy89 wrote:
WN sounds like a possibility here though as they're new to the market and do operate connections.


Even though I do expect Southwest to serve additional destinations nonstop from CVG, any additional flights that Southwest would be adding out of CVG would primarily be used for O&D rather than for connections. In addition, most of the destinations that Southwest would probably expand to next out of CVG are located either west of the Mississippi River or in Florida.

Are the Southwest CVG-BWI nonstop flights doing well? Is there enough demand for Southwest to add a CVG-DCA nonstop or a 4th CVG-BWI nonstop?
 
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 6

Sat Jul 15, 2017 2:17 am

I really hope it's not yet another G4 expansion of 2x/week flights. I would really like to see F9 and WN make an effort to push them out, or at least cut into some of their routes. I'd be cool with more F9 flights, but I'd really prefer DL.

If it's DL, here are my guesses: MSY, SAN, PDX, RIC, AUS, PHX, and SEA (year-round).

Of course, the dream is CVG-LHR, but as was mentioned, it's not supposed to be anything international.
 
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 6

Sat Jul 15, 2017 2:48 am

WWads wrote:
Of course, the dream is CVG-LHR, but as was mentioned, it's not supposed to be anything international.

Even though there is not supposed to be international flights included, if it is DL, these extra flights and connecting passengers would make a better case for another DL TATL flight in the future.
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 6

Sat Jul 15, 2017 2:51 am

lakeeffect wrote:
F9 actually updated their October schedule today. For both CLE and CVG, the west coast non stops are now seasonally suspended around October 4th. It looks like MSP and IAH also seasonally end on those dates. I would assume that F9 will extend this new October schedule going forward, but it doesn't look like any flights are bookable after Nov 1.

I saw that too, unfortunate, but not unexpected. Frontier cuts back big time from CVG/CLE in the fall, but grows service again in the Spring. Based on this, I doubt the expansion would be Frontier, seems odd they would cut back flights before adding connections.
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Re: The Rest Of Ohio Part 6

Sat Jul 15, 2017 11:40 am

WWads wrote:
If it's DL, here are my guesses: MSY, SAN, PDX, RIC, AUS, PHX, and SEA (year-round).


Most of the Dallas-area customers will not fly on Delta's DFW-CVG nonstop flights to make connections to East Coast destinations since American has nonstops out of DFW to all of the East Coast destinations that have nonstop service out of CVG on Delta, since Southwest has nonstop service from DAL to most of the East Coast destinations that are served nonstop out of CVG, since Delta already has 7 daily nonstop flights between DFW and LGA, and since Dallas-area customers travelling to the East Coast can make connections through Delta's main ATL hub. Most of the customers travelling on the Delta DFW-CVG nonstop flights are travelling solely between DFW and CVG.

Southwest would be able to successfully compete against Delta on CVG-DAL nonstop service if Southwest adds CVG-DAL nonstop service since Southwest already competes against Delta on nonstop service from DAL to Delta's ATL, DTW, LAX, LGA, and SLC hubs, since the demand for Dallas to Cincinnati flights has significantly increased since the repeal of the Wright Amendment, and since Southwest can provide easier access to SAT, the largest U.S. city without nonstop service to CVG, if Southwest adds CVG-DAL nonstop service.

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