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Sat Jul 08, 2017 6:06 pm

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what the heck happened to N229UA???


She got foamed.

United1 wrote:

Who set off the fire suppression system? :)


Might've set itself off, :scratchchin:

Must not have been too bad... 229 shows enroute ORDCDG at this time.


It was bad. Lots of foam in electronics......pictures show foam coming down from the overhead panel in the cockpit and in through every opening. Lots of electrics damage.
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Sat Jul 08, 2017 6:11 pm

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I assume the 767 will get the single center row in Polaris, and now that it's ALL all-aisle-access if that seat will be as coveted?

I would think with the staggered 1-2-1 on the 777 where they used to have 8 of the IPTE seats, the 767 would have staggered 1-1-1 to replace the 6 IPTE. So I don't think it will be the single center seat in the same way it was of the sCO J seats.


1-1-1, it looks as 2-2-2.
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Sat Jul 08, 2017 6:20 pm

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I assume the 767 will get the single center row in Polaris, and now that it's ALL all-aisle-access if that seat will be as coveted?

I would think with the staggered 1-2-1 on the 777 where they used to have 8 of the IPTE seats, the 767 would have staggered 1-1-1 to replace the 6 IPTE. So I don't think it will be the single center seat in the same way it was of the sCO J seats.


1-1-1, it looks as 2-2-2.


But it will still somehow fit 30 business class seats in with the current layout? Or are we gonna lose some coach seats.
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Sat Jul 08, 2017 6:49 pm

With some crude comparison to existing planes, the 77W fits 8 rows of Polaris, where the sCO can fit 5 rows. For 30 seats of Polaris in 1-1-1, that would require 10 rows. If 8 fit in 5, than the last 2 rows would take a few more inches than that current 6th row on the sCO J 763's. Unless they have some closets or readjusting of galley's, that either means one less row of Y or tighter pitch to maintain seat count.
 
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Sat Jul 08, 2017 6:55 pm

It is labeled as 10 rows of 3 seats, but looks like 5 rows of 6 the way they are staggered, on the 767
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Sat Jul 08, 2017 8:40 pm

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With some crude comparison to existing planes, the 77W fits 8 rows of Polaris, where the sCO can fit 5 rows. For 30 seats of Polaris in 1-1-1, that would require 10 rows. If 8 fit in 5, than the last 2 rows would take a few more inches than that current 6th row on the sCO J 763's. Unless they have some closets or readjusting of galley's, that either means one less row of Y or tighter pitch to maintain seat count.


Well there are no lavs on 77W between Door 1 and 2. Whereas sCO 772 has 3 lavs, 1 by Door 1L, and 2 before Door 2 and a closet. So it's not a fair comparison between the 772 and 77W floorspace.
 
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Sat Jul 08, 2017 9:12 pm

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With some crude comparison to existing planes, the 77W fits 8 rows of Polaris, where the sCO can fit 5 rows. For 30 seats of Polaris in 1-1-1, that would require 10 rows. If 8 fit in 5, than the last 2 rows would take a few more inches than that current 6th row on the sCO J 763's. Unless they have some closets or readjusting of galley's, that either means one less row of Y or tighter pitch to maintain seat count.


Well there are no lavs on 77W between Door 1 and 2. Whereas sCO 772 has 3 lavs, 1 by Door 1L, and 2 before Door 2 and a closet. So it's not a fair comparison between the 772 and 77W floorspace.


That would mean that you're potentially only fitting those 8 rows of Polaris in the same space as 6 rows of sCO Diamond. That would suggest a guaranteed cut in Y seats for 30 Polaris on the 763, even with a reduced pitch (which lets be honest, what are the odds UA won't reduce the Y pitch?!)
 
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Sat Jul 08, 2017 9:29 pm

cosyr wrote:
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With some crude comparison to existing planes, the 77W fits 8 rows of Polaris, where the sCO can fit 5 rows. For 30 seats of Polaris in 1-1-1, that would require 10 rows. If 8 fit in 5, than the last 2 rows would take a few more inches than that current 6th row on the sCO J 763's. Unless they have some closets or readjusting of galley's, that either means one less row of Y or tighter pitch to maintain seat count.


Well there are no lavs on 77W between Door 1 and 2. Whereas sCO 772 has 3 lavs, 1 by Door 1L, and 2 before Door 2 and a closet. So it's not a fair comparison between the 772 and 77W floorspace.


That would mean that you're potentially only fitting those 8 rows of Polaris in the same space as 6 rows of sCO Diamond. That would suggest a guaranteed cut in Y seats for 30 Polaris on the 763, even with a reduced pitch (which lets be honest, what are the odds UA won't reduce the Y pitch?!)



No reduction in seat pitch in Y. Polaris configuration will be 30/184 just like the current 2-class 763. Seat configuration has been in the flight attendant manuals for over 3 months. CALTECH is correct - it is 1-1-1 in Polaris but really a highly, if not extreme-staggered 2-2-2.
 
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Sun Jul 09, 2017 3:42 am

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Well there are no lavs on 77W between Door 1 and 2. Whereas sCO 772 has 3 lavs, 1 by Door 1L, and 2 before Door 2 and a closet. So it's not a fair comparison between the 772 and 77W floorspace.


That would mean that you're potentially only fitting those 8 rows of Polaris in the same space as 6 rows of sCO Diamond. That would suggest a guaranteed cut in Y seats for 30 Polaris on the 763, even with a reduced pitch (which lets be honest, what are the odds UA won't reduce the Y pitch?!)



No reduction in seat pitch in Y. Polaris configuration will be 30/184 just like the current 2-class 763. Seat configuration has been in the flight attendant manuals for over 3 months. CALTECH is correct - it is 1-1-1 in Polaris but really a highly, if not extreme-staggered 2-2-2.

You can't compare sCO 772s to 77W as there are lavs, galleys, closets in differing configurations.

At first glace it does not look very optimistic for the 772. But, my guess is UA will add two lavs in front of 1L like the 77W, picking up space for larger footprint Polaris. E+ has 34" on the 77W vs. 35" on the 772 - 34" would pick up 7 inches - heaven forbid going to 30" in Y would pick up a lot more.

The answer on the 767 may be the number of seats across. 4 vs.6 on the 772 (66.667%) is 3 vs. 5 (60%) means there's more aisle space on the 767. My guess is the Polaris seats on the 767 will have the angled seats at a slightly greater angle, shortening up the length of the sets of seats.

787s seem to me to be a problem as they are about the same size as sCO 767 seat. The seats can't be angled further as there are 4 across like the 777. Maybe drop an F lav on the 788, but 789 needs 4 F lavs to match others in the fleet. E+ on the 788/9 could go 34" pitch and maybe lose a row or 2 to Y - that would pick up about 15 inches.
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Sun Jul 09, 2017 5:00 am

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iahcsr wrote:
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She got foamed.



Might've set itself off, :scratchchin:

Must not have been too bad... 229 shows enroute ORDCDG at this time.


It was bad. Lots of foam in electronics......pictures show foam coming down from the overhead panel in the cockpit and in through every opening. Lots of electrics damage.

When did this foaming event take place? Must have been at least a week ago as the old girl been going strong since the 3rd .. didn't look any further back though.
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Sun Jul 09, 2017 5:35 am

iahcsr wrote:
CALTECH wrote:
iahcsr wrote:
Must not have been too bad... 229 shows enroute ORDCDG at this time.


It was bad. Lots of foam in electronics......pictures show foam coming down from the overhead panel in the cockpit and in through every opening. Lots of electrics damage.

When did this foaming event take place? Must have been at least a week ago as the old girl been going strong since the 3rd .. didn't look any further back though.

It had to have happened at IAD sometime from June 23rd onwards, as FlightAware shows no flights from then until July 3rd.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N229UA/history
 
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Sun Jul 09, 2017 12:50 pm

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Sun Jul 09, 2017 3:28 pm

Looks like N211UA 772 Domestic Mod is en route from HKG to HNL completing that mod package.
 
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Sun Jul 09, 2017 7:26 pm

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Looks like N211UA 772 Domestic Mod is en route from HKG to HNL completing that mod package.


Three of us flew the aircraft into HNL last night. It will complete the last ferry leg to SFO later this evening. New car smell last night with all those new seats...
 
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Sun Jul 09, 2017 11:46 pm

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CALTECH wrote:
iahcsr wrote:
Must not have been too bad... 229 shows enroute ORDCDG at this time.


It was bad. Lots of foam in electronics......pictures show foam coming down from the overhead panel in the cockpit and in through every opening. Lots of electrics damage.

When did this foaming event take place? Must have been at least a week ago as the old girl been going strong since the 3rd .. didn't look any further back though.


Approx 4:15am 24 June.

#4655 got foamed too.
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Mon Jul 10, 2017 12:09 am

calpsafltskeds wrote:
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That would mean that you're potentially only fitting those 8 rows of Polaris in the same space as 6 rows of sCO Diamond. That would suggest a guaranteed cut in Y seats for 30 Polaris on the 763, even with a reduced pitch (which lets be honest, what are the odds UA won't reduce the Y pitch?!)



No reduction in seat pitch in Y. Polaris configuration will be 30/184 just like the current 2-class 763. Seat configuration has been in the flight attendant manuals for over 3 months. CALTECH is correct - it is 1-1-1 in Polaris but really a highly, if not extreme-staggered 2-2-2.

You can't compare sCO 772s to 77W as there are lavs, galleys, closets in differing configurations.

At first glace it does not look very optimistic for the 772. But, my guess is UA will add two lavs in front of 1L like the 77W, picking up space for larger footprint Polaris. E+ has 34" on the 77W vs. 35" on the 772 - 34" would pick up 7 inches - heaven forbid going to 30" in Y would pick up a lot more.

The answer on the 767 may be the number of seats across. 4 vs.6 on the 772 (66.667%) is 3 vs. 5 (60%) means there's more aisle space on the 767. My guess is the Polaris seats on the 767 will have the angled seats at a slightly greater angle, shortening up the length of the sets of seats.

787s seem to me to be a problem as they are about the same size as sCO 767 seat. The seats can't be angled further as there are 4 across like the 777. Maybe drop an F lav on the 788, but 789 needs 4 F lavs to match others in the fleet. E+ on the 788/9 could go 34" pitch and maybe lose a row or 2 to Y - that would pick up about 15 inches.

I don't know why the 787 would be a problem, it has the same Diamond seats as the 2-Class 772. Worst case it would have to be alternating 1-2-1 and 1-1-1.
 
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RE 787 Polaris seats:
According to UA.com the sCO 772 seats at 22.0 seat width are not the same as 787 at 20.6 seat width. The 787 is 14 inches narrower than the 772 floor width. As such, the Polaris seats on both aircraft can't be the same. If the Polaris seats are narrower on the 787 vs. 772, maybe that's the answer. Note the 767s have the same seat width at 20.6 as the 787, but have 6'3" vs. 6'6" "sleeping space" of the 787/772.

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Mon Jul 10, 2017 2:55 am

What's the deal with 77W fleet right now and slack? For example 2136 did EWR-SJU-EWR. This afternoon it did a reposition flight to IAH and is now doing a IAH-HNL round trip that is 10+ hours late. Looks as if it is being used an emergency sub for a 772???

From what I have seen it seems like there are 2-3 more frames than there are scheduled routes at this time? Would that be a correct estimate?
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What's the deal with 77W fleet right now and slack? For example 2136 did EWR-SJU-EWR. This afternoon it did a reposition flight to IAH and is now doing a IAH-HNL round trip that is 10+ hours late. Looks as if it is being used an emergency sub for a 772???

From what I have seen it seems like there are 2-3 more frames than there are scheduled routes at this time? Would that be a correct estimate?


Right now, aside from the scheduled routes, the 77W are being rotated through the system to stations which often see 777s for familiarization purposes and as an operational spare as needed. With most of the 747s remaining on property through the summer (along with pilots to fly them and resources to maintain them) there isn't an emergent need for every 77W to be in longhaul service.
 
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Tue Jul 11, 2017 12:14 pm

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Tue Jul 11, 2017 6:44 pm

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Looks like the FA rest seats move to the last two rows of the airplane... on non-augmented 763 flights these are the best Y seats in the fleet. Bit of a shame as you used to get best of both worlds... front-of-cabin access and a ton of extra legroom/recline. Also, it's unclear whether there is a bar/service area. It appears standard E+ loses an inch of pitch.

Still, I think this will be the best flat bed product available for the 767.
 
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Looks like the FA rest seats move to the last two rows of the airplane... on non-augmented 763 flights these are the best Y seats in the fleet.

Which will most likely be sold, and assigned as basic economy seats.
 
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Tue Jul 11, 2017 8:24 pm

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Ok, I was sort of right, there was not enough space for all 10 rows, but they seem to have removed 3 seats from the middle of the exit row to adjust for it, and moved that to the back by removing a closet, and changing one of the rows in the middle from Y+ to regular Y. Did you see the Y+ says 34"-43"!? If that picture is to be believed, it looks like row 22 in the middle will be some highly coveted seats.
 
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Tue Jul 11, 2017 10:06 pm

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Ok, I was sort of right, there was not enough space for all 10 rows, but they seem to have removed 3 seats from the middle of the exit row to adjust for it, and moved that to the back by removing a closet, and changing one of the rows in the middle from Y+ to regular Y. Did you see the Y+ says 34"-43"!? If that picture is to be believed, it looks like row 22 in the middle will be some highly coveted seats.


its crazy how they use more space yet have the same amount of seats!! any pictures of the plane itself?
 
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Tue Jul 11, 2017 11:27 pm

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N2138U is finally having Polaris seats installed. Scheduled completion date of July 25.

So 43U will next into SEA once 42U moves out... which should be next couple days unless there are problems.
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Ok, I was sort of right, there was not enough space for all 10 rows, but they seem to have removed 3 seats from the middle of the exit row to adjust for it, and moved that to the back by removing a closet, and changing one of the rows in the middle from Y+ to regular Y. Did you see the Y+ says 34"-43"!? If that picture is to be believed, it looks like row 22 in the middle will be some highly coveted seats.


its crazy how they use more space yet have the same amount of seats!! any pictures of the plane itself?


No frames currently physically have this set up, right?
 
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77W
N2138U is finally having Polaris seats installed. Scheduled completion date of July 25.

So 43U will next into SEA once 42U moves out... which should be next couple days unless there are problems.


It doesn't seem the company is in much of a hurry to get these planes into service. N2142U was finished on July 8 at SEA. Yet,they are allowing it to sit on the ground for 11 days until it's first flight (employee flight) on July 19.
 
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Ok, I was sort of right, there was not enough space for all 10 rows, but they seem to have removed 3 seats from the middle of the exit row to adjust for it, and moved that to the back by removing a closet, and changing one of the rows in the middle from Y+ to regular Y. Did you see the Y+ says 34"-43"!? If that picture is to be believed, it looks like row 22 in the middle will be some highly coveted seats.


its crazy how they use more space yet have the same amount of seats!! any pictures of the plane itself?


No frames currently physically have this set up, right?


A/C 6444 is getting that configuration right now. Due back in service next month.
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Looks like N211UA 772 Domestic Mod is en route from HKG to HNL completing that mod package.


Three of us flew the aircraft into HNL last night. It will complete the last ferry leg to SFO later this evening. New car smell last night with all those new seats...


So how do the domestic 777's look like? I know it's old news but I must have missed it. I'm sure it would be nice to fly on one of those.
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Ok, I was sort of right, there was not enough space for all 10 rows, but they seem to have removed 3 seats from the middle of the exit row to adjust for it, and moved that to the back by removing a closet, and changing one of the rows in the middle from Y+ to regular Y. Did you see the Y+ says 34"-43"!? If that picture is to be believed, it looks like row 22 in the middle will be some highly coveted seats.


its crazy how they use more space yet have the same amount of seats!! any pictures of the plane itself?

UA is trying to emphasize that it is 3 seats per row, not 6 overlapping. The map is not to scale, just as the 77W seat map is not to scale. It makes the front half look much longer than the back half.
 
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Looks like N211UA 772 Domestic Mod is en route from HKG to HNL completing that mod package.


Three of us flew the aircraft into HNL last night. It will complete the last ferry leg to SFO later this evening. New car smell last night with all those new seats...


So how do the domestic 777's look like? I know it's old news but I must have missed it. I'm sure it would be nice to fly on one of those.


Here's a review with some pictures:

https://runwaygirlnetwork.com/2017/03/0 ... omy-class/

I still have yet to fly in the new domestic 777, but the reviews are pretty mixed. The flatbed in J is nice compared to what was there before. Some people say the Y seat isn't any worse than in a 737; others say the 10-across in a 777 is too tight. There were also a lot of complaints about the poorly-placed light and FA call buttons, causing incessant dings throughout flights. Does anyone know if that issue has been fixed?

I caught the old config domestic 777 a few times in the last few months. That one was still 9-abreast, but I thought that was pretty tight, and boarding all those people for short flights takes forever. I love a widebody, don't get me wrong, but I don't really have any issue with UA's 739s, and I would probably choose one over the HD 777. I love the E175 over anything else in Y, but I mostly fly SFO-DEN and LAX-DEN. I don't see the A320s on hub-hub flights much anymore, but the last time I flew one, I thought those LH-ish slimline seats were noticeably awful.
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cosyr wrote:

Ok, I was sort of right, there was not enough space for all 10 rows, but they seem to have removed 3 seats from the middle of the exit row to adjust for it, and moved that to the back by removing a closet, and changing one of the rows in the middle from Y+ to regular Y. Did you see the Y+ says 34"-43"!? If that picture is to be believed, it looks like row 22 in the middle will be some highly coveted seats.


its crazy how they use more space yet have the same amount of seats!! any pictures of the plane itself?

UA is trying to emphasize that it is 3 seats per row, not 6 overlapping. The map is not to scale, just as the 77W seat map is not to scale. It makes the front half look much longer than the back half.


Its 1x1x1. May not appear that way but it is. Center odd rows are labeled "F" center even rows are labeled "D". So 1A 1F 1L 2A 2D 2L 3A 3F 3L and so on.
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Comparison to 2 class configuration
Business, same 20.6" seat width, same 6'3" sleeping space (Note: less than 77W)
2 closets in F and 1 in Y gone.
E+ loses 3 seats to Y and pitch goes from 35 to 34 in E+
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Wed Jul 12, 2017 4:25 pm

for those who want to see the interior shots (renderings) of the 767 with the new polaris seats

https://thepointsguy.com/2017/07/united ... irst-look/

i might need to fly and test it out and see the difference compared to the 77W
 
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Looks nice and not as tight as I thought it would be:

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BG777300ER
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2017

Wed Jul 12, 2017 5:47 pm

TPG says the seats look narrower. Is he talking just about the tables or the actual Polaris seats (the part you actually sit on) narrower than the 77W ones? I thought they are standard sized across frames.
 
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2017

Wed Jul 12, 2017 6:03 pm

BG777300ER wrote:
TPG says the seats look narrower. Is he talking just about the tables or the actual Polaris seats (the part you actually sit on) narrower than the 77W ones? I thought they are standard sized across frames.



the seats themselves are about an inch or 2 narrower then the those on the 777.

IIRC, the seats on the 777, 787-8/9/10 will be the same width. 767-300/400 will slightly smaller width wise. The Frames themselves are also more narrow to i think on the 767, i could be wrong though.

atleast, they get AAA on the 767 which is a plus.
 
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2017

Wed Jul 12, 2017 6:36 pm

xxcr wrote:
IIRC, the seats on the 777, 787-8/9/10 will be the same width.


If they go 1-2-1 on the 787 (as suggested), they won't be. An alternating 1-2-1, 1-1-1 arrangement was mocked up by Acumen, but I don't think it achieves the density UA is looking for. I'm interested to try the 767 seats in service, because while I enjoy the 77W product, I wouldn't exactly call it 'spacious'... more like 'perfectly adequate'. Anything narrower, IMO, could start to feel a bit tight, depending on where the savings came from.
 
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2017

Wed Jul 12, 2017 6:55 pm

codc10 wrote:
xxcr wrote:
IIRC, the seats on the 777, 787-8/9/10 will be the same width.


If they go 1-2-1 on the 787 (as suggested), they won't be. An alternating 1-2-1, 1-1-1 arrangement was mocked up by Acumen, but I don't think it achieves the density UA is looking for. I'm interested to try the 767 seats in service, because while I enjoy the 77W product, I wouldn't exactly call it 'spacious'... more like 'perfectly adequate'. Anything narrower, IMO, could start to feel a bit tight, depending on where the savings came from.


that is true. they might go between a 1-2-1 on the 787 maybe. Im actually interested in seeing the layout for the 787. Pretty sure it'll be the same layout as the 777, just a little smaller.
 
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2017

Wed Jul 12, 2017 6:57 pm

now here is my question regarding the 767-300. Will Economy get new seats and a real AVOD system??? (3-class)
 
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2017

Wed Jul 12, 2017 7:00 pm

xxcr wrote:
now here is my question regarding the 767-300. Will Economy get new seats and a real AVOD system??? (3-class)


Yes.
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2017

Wed Jul 12, 2017 7:12 pm

CONTACREW wrote:
xxcr wrote:
now here is my question regarding the 767-300. Will Economy get new seats and a real AVOD system??? (3-class)


Yes.


oh good!!!! those old 3 class econ seats need to go haha!
 
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2017

Wed Jul 12, 2017 7:40 pm

Never thought I'd say I am now excited to fly a UA 767-300.
 
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2017

Wed Jul 12, 2017 9:28 pm

xxcr wrote:
now here is my question regarding the 767-300. Will Economy get new seats and a real AVOD system??? (3-class)

It won't be like the IPTE mod where they quit work on the Y side of the curtain. The previous set of two class mods gutted the entire cabin, installed new sidewalls, bins, seats, AVOD, in seat power, etc., along with installing winglets and I think some cockpit mods. The only difference between that set and this set will be the seats being installed. The previous set had the old sCO BE Pinnacle seats 1-2-1, plus the now old version of Y seats. This is obviously installing Polaris, plus the new blue/black seats in Y.
 
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2017

Wed Jul 12, 2017 10:17 pm

atcsundevil wrote:
xxcr wrote:
now here is my question regarding the 767-300. Will Economy get new seats and a real AVOD system??? (3-class)

It won't be like the IPTE mod where they quit work on the Y side of the curtain. The previous set of two class mods gutted the entire cabin, installed new sidewalls, bins, seats, AVOD, in seat power, etc., along with installing winglets and I think some cockpit mods. The only difference between that set and this set will be the seats being installed. The previous set had the old sCO BE Pinnacle seats 1-2-1, plus the now old version of Y seats. This is obviously installing Polaris, plus the new blue/black seats in Y.


I believe these ships will get a LED lighting upgrade as well, which means mood lighting... though UAL's program is a whole lot of blue.
 
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2017

Wed Jul 12, 2017 10:23 pm

codc10 wrote:
I believe these ships will get a LED lighting upgrade as well, which means mood lighting... though UAL's program is a whole lot of blue.

Sweet. I don't think I recall hearing about that, but that's another nice enhancement. Even if they had finished out the remainder of the fleet like previous two class mod, it would have been a massive upgrade. The dingy sidewalls, the original 767 bins, the bulky old fashioned seats (which were admittedly quite comfortable, but extremely tired), the pitiful looping PTVs circa 1997, and the ripped and ratty carpets are what truly needed to be worked on. It's been about five years since I flew on a 763 in the old Y, and it was horrendously dated then. I'm sure PDE was a welcome addition, but that's nothing more than a bandaid. Sure F and J were pretty nice, but I can't stand lazy mods like that where only half of the work is done, and I'm sure many UA employees feel that way, too.

In any event, I'm glad to see they're pulling out all the stops this time instead of only improving the pointy end of the plane.
 
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2017

Thu Jul 13, 2017 3:46 am

intotheair wrote:
Looks nice and not as tight as I thought it would be:


The perfect plane to replace the 757 PS fleet with. Int'l style interior + widebody = best transcon ride around.
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2017

Thu Jul 13, 2017 1:12 pm

jetblastdubai wrote:
intotheair wrote:
Looks nice and not as tight as I thought it would be:


The perfect plane to replace the 757 PS fleet with. Int'l style interior + widebody = best transcon ride around.

I certainly wouldn't mind if they cycled them in to P.S., would be a product upgrade and a bump in capacity too. Seems like a Win win for a plane otherwise waiting for a return to Europe.

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