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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2017

Sun Nov 26, 2017 11:26 pm

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I don't know why UA is not putting Polaris on their 764s.


IMO, a misunderstanding. United has no plans to install the Polaris seat on the 767-400ER fleet *at the moment*, but that should not be construed to mean United will *never* put the Polaris seat into the 764s.

The company has a lot of airplanes to mod first; e.g., three-cabin 777s, remaining 763s, sCO 772s cycling toward interior replacement intervals, etc. The 764 fleet was more recently retrofit and so the existing interiors still have a bit of life (depreciation of the BE Diamond seats) left.


Ok, I admit I noticed that these 2 764s (assuming I was on 2 different ones) that the seats were not nearly as scuffed up as I have seen on other ac.

I know I should have more patience, but I’m realizing at 56 I probably won’t fly anything more advanced than the 777X and MAYBE a 767-200 that looks like a 787! :-)
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2017

Mon Nov 27, 2017 8:09 am

767 Polaris
N649UA another test hop UA2690 27Nov HKGHKG. Hopefully will be back in service soon
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2017

Tue Nov 28, 2017 2:15 am

Nose/ Type/ N#/ Fuse #/ Deliv /Fleet Code

7501 737MAX-9 N67501 6834 2018 61
7502 737MAX-9 N37502 6852 2018 61
7503 737MAX-9 N27503 6872 2018 61
7504 737MAX-9 N37504 6899 2018 61
7505 737MAX-9 N47505 6917 2018 61
7506 737MAX-9 N37506 6935 TBD 61
7751 737MAX-10 TBD TBD TBD TBD
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2017

Tue Nov 28, 2017 4:02 am

763 (Polaris):
N649UA sked to exit HKG after Polaris instal 2811/29Nov
 
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2017

Tue Nov 28, 2017 4:06 am

767-300ER Polaris reconfiguration:
N649UA sked to exit HKG 2811/29Nov with 2 class Polaris and winglets.
2nd 763 with Polaris (2 more currently in mod).

73G:
N27733 exiting IAH 11/26, no slimlines.
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2017

Tue Nov 28, 2017 6:49 am

CALTECH wrote:
Nose/ Type/ N#/ Fuse #/ Deliv /Fleet Code

7501 737MAX-9 N67501 6834 2018 61
7502 737MAX-9 N37502 6852 2018 61
7503 737MAX-9 N27503 6872 2018 61
7504 737MAX-9 N37504 6899 2018 61
7505 737MAX-9 N47505 6917 2018 61
7506 737MAX-9 N37506 6935 TBD 61
7751 737MAX-10 TBD TBD TBD TBD

Interesting choices by management here. I would have expected the reg#s in the N7501U format rather than the CO one. N76505, N47505.... guess which is the 738 and other the MAX9?
Also MAX10 will start at Ship 7751 and not 7701? Odd.. :confused:
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2017

Tue Nov 28, 2017 1:48 pm

iahcsr wrote:
Interesting choices by management here. I would have expected the reg#s in the N7501U format rather than the CO one. N76505, N47505.... guess which is the 738 and other the MAX9?
Also MAX10 will start at Ship 7751 and not 7701? Odd.. :confused:


Probably because the company is able to repeat the entire 4-digit ship number in the registration. Would not be possible with N####U for the 7500 sequence.
 
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2017

Tue Nov 28, 2017 3:37 pm

Agreed on the issue with finding 100 numbers in a row with N####U.

Along with 7000 range the 1000, 8000 and 9000 ranges are free so 7000 is fine for the MAX.

Whenever possible, I think the hundreds range shouldn't be duped if possible, understanding that UA has remains of a sCO hundreds system and a hybrid system of hundreds and thousands at sUA.

The MAX numbers make little sense as there is duplication with other aircraft in the 500 range and where does aircraft 51-100 go in the MAX10?

What's surprising to me is that in the hundreds ranges, the 300s are not in use anymore. Maybe UA is going to use the 300s for future MOM aircraft or the A350s, but 300 range would be better used for the 10MAX. UA would be wiser to use the current widebody system to place the A350 in the 100 range and 787-10 in the 900 range. MOM could probably fit in the 600 range.

Why not 7300 through 7399 for the 100 MAX10s?
This would stay away from any confusion by not duplicating the last three digits with 738s. Now we'll have 738/79M N78501/N67501, N76502/N37502.....N77542/NXX542

While the 79Ms wouldn't have a 65 in a row range, I'd go ahead and consider 7735-7799, which would have duplicates with one sCO 73G/4 former Copa 73Gs (750-754) and sUA 772s from 781-799.

For the record, these are the number ranges and total available in the 3 digit system. Potential use for new fleets if 3 digits are important to UA. I understand the 77W has a system of N2X31U-N2X48U, which doesn't really fit in the below (ac number 2131-2148).
023-050, 27
067-099, 33
142-199, 58 (perfect for 45 A350s) [kind of dupes with 77W X31-X48, fleet numbers 2131-2148]
200s all used [dupes with sCO 738 and sUA 772: 204/206 & 209-229]
300-399, 100 (perfect fit for 737MAX10s, but not in the cards, maybe saved for MOM or A350s?)
400 all used [dupes with 320/739: 401-479]
543-599, 57 [dupes with 739/752: 502/510/518] - (new MAX10s will dupe all 500s, and triple 3 numbers 502/510/518)
600-640, 41
678-699, 22
734-749, 16
755-770, 16 [73G 751-754, sUA 781-799]
800 all used [dupes with 739 and 753: 851-871, dupes with 319 801-855 & 888-899]
914-949, 36
975-999, 25 (14 for 787-10?) NOTE: UA has N24980 reserved with FAA, assume 787-10 range
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2017

Tue Nov 28, 2017 11:42 pm

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300-399, 100 (perfect fit for 737MAX10s, but not in the cards, maybe saved for MOM or A350s?)


They're probably not doing that right now because they just used a lot of registrations ending in 3xx for the Mesa E175's that United owns.

Honestly, as long as the ship numbers are unique, I don't think making the series make "logical sense" is high on anyone's priority list. If it was they'd probably be changing the E145 ship numbers when they transfer from EV to AX and C5.

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Lipstick on a pig, but at least pigs fly a little better! She'll still climb out at 200fpm next summer. At least they'll be decent from a passenger perspective if they have to hang around for a few more years. If only the Skywest CRJ2s were so lucky.


ZW put a lot of work into those planes to bring them over. They're probably the best looking 50 seat aircraft flying right now, with new seat covers, bulkheads, and floors and fresh paint that seems far more durable than anything on the EV/AX/C5/OO aircraft.

What's interesting is that the ZW regional manager came to my station about a month ago and when I had a chance to ask him some questions he told me that they're going to lose about half the fleet to cycle limits within the next 3 years. They're either going to have to pick up some birds somewhere or get a replacement type in house very soon.
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2017

Wed Nov 29, 2017 1:28 am

Given it’s very likely more 789s will be ordered at some point I would think UA would leave Nxx975-999 open for this. Also given additional 788s are not likely, Nxx920-949 would be the logical choice for the 7810. (...but then what does logic ever have to do with such things)
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2017

Wed Nov 29, 2017 5:00 am

Anyone have any pics of the ZW CRJ200 cabins? Did they install the same UA signature seats that are on the CRJ700/E175/mainline fleets?

The OO CRJ200s could use some extra care. Those are some really drab cabins.
300 319 320 321 332 333 345 346 717 733 734 735 73G 738 739 744 752 753 762 763 772 CR2 CR7 CR9 Q400 E175 DC10 MD82 MD90
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2017

Wed Nov 29, 2017 6:27 am

Is there any 787 in the star alliance livery?
 
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2017

Wed Nov 29, 2017 3:40 pm

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Is there any 787 in the star alliance livery?

Surprisingly no... not as of yet. One of these last four 789s perhaps. Or one of the 78710s surely. :?: :confused:
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Wed Nov 29, 2017 4:54 pm

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Is there any 787 in the star alliance livery?

There's only one B787 currently in the Star Alliance livery...AI's VT-ANU.
 
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Wed Nov 29, 2017 5:33 pm

The last time I saw an aircraft wearing a STAR ALLIANCE livery was a UA flight on a 767 that I was actually on. I don't know how effective they are nowadays vs the early days when alliances seemed like a big deal, and actually sometimes you could really "feel" the advantages of them. I'm sure a whole thread could be dedicated to their relevance today. But me thinks that either they paint many, many more (not just UA, all the members) or not bother. I'm unsure of the "bang for the buck" of occasionally seeing an aircraft with STAR ALLIANCE or SKY TEAM etc livery if all one might see is one ac at EWR or FRA or LHR etc. A 787 would be nice as it's a 787, but then again, how many average people know the difference between a 767, 787 or A330?
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2017

Wed Nov 29, 2017 5:49 pm

intotheair wrote:
Anyone have any pics of the ZW CRJ200 cabins? Did they install the same UA signature seats that are on the CRJ700/E175/mainline fleets?

The OO CRJ200s could use some extra care. Those are some really drab cabins.


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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2017

Wed Nov 29, 2017 6:04 pm

I wouldn't put to much stock into those N numbers. The 777-3's were the same way up until 2131 was delivered then they changed all of the N numbers to the N2131U etc...
 
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2017

Wed Nov 29, 2017 8:24 pm

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ikolkyo wrote:
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Patience man... It's going to take time for Polaris to be fully out on this massive fleet of aircraft.

Right. Let's not forget that Polaris hasn't even been in service for a year. It takes years to roll out new premium seating across a fleet. When the 764s have seats which are only about six years old or less, not to mention the aircraft rarely flies routes longer than 8-9 hours (often much less), it just isn't at the top of the priorities list.

The 763s need to be finished first because those cabins are totally clapped out (especially in Y), then the sUA 772s to remove the F product and standardize premium service, then the sCO 772s because those seats are nearing the end of their life too. All three of those types also have seats 10+ years old. After that, I would argue the 787s should get new seats because of the markets served and the stage lengths they fly. Only then should the 764 be modded. And it will be, it's just a low priority, so there's no point in making an announcement when they likely wouldn't be due for mods for another three years — they've got about 100 aircraft to get through first, not including new 77W and 78J deliveries.

But yes, patience is needed with things like this. These seats each cost as much as a Ferrari, and each one takes weeks to build and hours to install. New premium suites are amazing, but they're incredibly expensive and incredibly time consuming to build and install. It's a far cry from the old recliners. I would expect the entire fleet to have Polaris around 2022 (when the A350s start coming online), but until then, a little patience will be required.



i agree!! The 3-class 767 needed refurbishing a long time ago!! Glad they are installing new Econ eats and the new Polaris.

From what i remember reading, the 767-400 and 787-8/9 will be last on the list to get the new Polaris seats since they are brand new.

767-300, 777-200(3class) should be done by 2018/19

767-300(old 2 class), 777-200(INTL 2-class) 767-400, 787-8/9 will start in late 2018 and should be done by 2020.

All the Refurbishing should be done by late 2021-22. Plus the 787-10 and A350-9 will be delivered with the new Polaris.

As much as i love the current Diamond seats in the 752, 787-8/9, i cant wait till they finish the refurbishing the WB fleet with the new Polaris seats.
 
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2017

Thu Nov 30, 2017 1:18 am

Looking at the summer 18 Schedule. They are going to fly the domestic high density 777 between EWR to DUB,MAD and BCN. My guess is to compete with Norwegian and Level.
 
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Thu Nov 30, 2017 2:03 am

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Looking at the summer 18 Schedule. They are going to fly the domestic high density 777 between EWR to DUB,MAD and BCN. My guess is to compete with Norwegian and Level.


I'm not seeing BCN or MAD on the 772 yet...BCN is 764 and MAD is a 763.

DUB is however scheduled on a high density 772.
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Thu Nov 30, 2017 2:11 am

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Cmac787 wrote:
Looking at the summer 18 Schedule. They are going to fly the domestic high density 777 between EWR to DUB,MAD and BCN. My guess is to compete with Norwegian and Level.


I'm not seeing BCN or MAD on the 772 yet...BCN is 764 and MAD is a 763.

DUB is however scheduled on a high density 772.


Wasn't the DUB part of reduction from 2x daily to single daily? I think I saw that in one of Enrilia's threads. By moving to a HD777 they can keep the seats roughly flat but drop to single flight. It also allows them to move the 757's to other routes like BOS-SFO. Since those HD777's will be moved around based on the seasonal demands.
 
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Thu Nov 30, 2017 2:25 am

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767-300(old 2 class), 777-200(INTL 2-class) 767-400, 787-8/9 will start in late 2018 and should be done by 2020.

Will the refurbished 763s from the first round of mods actually get the new Polaris seats? I was under the impression they probably wouldn't. Those cabins are newer than some of the 787s. I'm surprised they could justify the cost when they could just have them run transcon/p.s. flights or short TATL ops from EWR/IAD. It's great if they are changing them, I would just be surprised given the expense of two cabin reconfigurations in the span of about 5-6 years.
 
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Thu Nov 30, 2017 2:54 am

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Cmac787 wrote:
Looking at the summer 18 Schedule. They are going to fly the domestic high density 777 between EWR to DUB,MAD and BCN. My guess is to compete with Norwegian and Level.


I'm not seeing BCN or MAD on the 772 yet...BCN is 764 and MAD is a 763.

DUB is however scheduled on a high density 772.


Wasn't the DUB part of reduction from 2x daily to single daily? I think I saw that in one of Enrilia's threads. By moving to a HD777 they can keep the seats roughly flat but drop to single flight. It also allows them to move the 757's to other routes like BOS-SFO.


That's exactly what they did and as DUB is a really short relatively low yielding flight the HD772 is perfect for the route.
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Trying to upload document to show summer 18 widebody changes. How do u do it?
 
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Thu Nov 30, 2017 6:57 pm

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xxcr wrote:
767-300(old 2 class), 777-200(INTL 2-class) 767-400, 787-8/9 will start in late 2018 and should be done by 2020.

Will the refurbished 763s from the first round of mods actually get the new Polaris seats? I was under the impression they probably wouldn't. Those cabins are newer than some of the 787s. I'm surprised they could justify the cost when they could just have them run transcon/p.s. flights or short TATL ops from EWR/IAD. It's great if they are changing them, I would just be surprised given the expense of two cabin reconfigurations in the span of about 5-6 years.



I dont see why they wouldnt get the MOD since they are modding the oldest 767 in their fleet with the new Polaris.
 
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Fri Dec 01, 2017 2:32 am

319:
N898UA enroute LCQ UA 2688 CAN-NRT-ANC-DEN for Induction (ex-China Southern B-6242).

73G:
N16732 sked toi exit MIA 2792/1Dec with slimliones/new F seats

752:
N17126 entered RFD 2772/28Nov for scimitars

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763 (2-class):
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Fri Dec 01, 2017 10:08 am

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xxcr wrote:
767-300(old 2 class), 777-200(INTL 2-class) 767-400, 787-8/9 will start in late 2018 and should be done by 2020.

Will the refurbished 763s from the first round of mods actually get the new Polaris seats? I was under the impression they probably wouldn't. Those cabins are newer than some of the 787s. I'm surprised they could justify the cost when they could just have them run transcon/p.s. flights or short TATL ops from EWR/IAD. It's great if they are changing them, I would just be surprised given the expense of two cabin reconfigurations in the span of about 5-6 years.

They are 1998-2001 build so will be around for a long time so they will surely be reconfigured. Even the 1991-93 batch is going to be around for awhile and hopefully they order more 767-322ERs.
 
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Fri Dec 01, 2017 12:25 pm

Regarding the 763s, I can't imagine that they won't keep the new Polaris 763s separate from the other two class 763s. With 14 Polaris 763s, would they be able to do something like dedicating them to LHR routes?

LHR-
EWR 5x, ORD 3x, IAD 3x
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Fri Dec 01, 2017 2:10 pm

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Regarding the 763s, I can't imagine that they won't keep the new Polaris 763s separate from the other two class 763s. With 14 Polaris 763s, would they be able to do something like dedicating them to LHR routes?

LHR-
EWR 5x, ORD 3x, IAD 3x

It would be a capacity drop from IAH, but throw in DEN, when that starts, and the 77W from SFO, and they could almost advertise all Polaris to LHR, if not for LAX.
 
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Fri Dec 01, 2017 3:10 pm

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Regarding the 763s, I can't imagine that they won't keep the new Polaris 763s separate from the other two class 763s. With 14 Polaris 763s, would they be able to do something like dedicating them to LHR routes?

LHR-
EWR 5x, ORD 3x, IAD 3x

It would be a capacity drop from IAH, but throw in DEN, when that starts, and the 77W from SFO, and they could almost advertise all Polaris to LHR, if not for LAX.


I thought there were performance issues with the 763 from DEN, which is why it's a 787. For IAH they could use the 777-222ERs when they get reconfigured, should begin soon, and the same for LAX. They could even wait an go with the 787-10, those will be delivered with Polaris.
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Fri Dec 01, 2017 3:21 pm

STT757 wrote:
cosyr wrote:
STT757 wrote:
Regarding the 763s, I can't imagine that they won't keep the new Polaris 763s separate from the other two class 763s. With 14 Polaris 763s, would they be able to do something like dedicating them to LHR routes?

LHR-
EWR 5x, ORD 3x, IAD 3x

It would be a capacity drop from IAH, but throw in DEN, when that starts, and the 77W from SFO, and they could almost advertise all Polaris to LHR, if not for LAX.


I thought there were performance issues with the 763 from DEN, which is why it's a 787. For IAH they could use the 777-222ERs when they get reconfigured, should begin soon, and the same for LAX. They could even wait an go with the 787-10, those will be delivered with Polaris.


You're correct, a 763ER from DEN in the summer to LHR would likely be weight restricted.
 
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Fri Dec 01, 2017 3:24 pm

In my opinion (because I am the top airline expert of the world) I agree, make LHR all Polaris from all hubs a top priority... after the Pacific routes, especially from the East Coast, are Polarisized...that versus a checkered deployment where it is almost a crap shoot what kind of J class you get on a particular route. I also actually think United should have taken more than just 4 additional 77W's, I have been on them, they are beautiful and I think they would fill them just fine. I think the old 772's in Polaris will wind up looking great, by the seat map I saw, she is virtually half & half Polaris / Economy which will be a sight to see! Question: how many Polaris 772ER's will actually be in the fleet in the end? (flying alongside A350's?)

When do the 787X, and A350's start arriving and then how long a span of time to complete all the deliveries?
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Fri Dec 01, 2017 3:26 pm

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When do the 787X, and A350's start arriving and then how long a span of time to complete all the deliveries?


787-10 start in 2018, A350 2023.
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Fri Dec 01, 2017 3:41 pm

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! Question: how many Polaris 772ER's will actually be in the fleet in the end? (flying alongside A350's?)


Assuming all remain in service and UA does not add any secondhand 77E, there will be 55 (33 777-222ER, 22 777-224ER).
 
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Fri Dec 01, 2017 3:55 pm

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I think the old 772's in Polaris will wind up looking great, by the seat map I saw, she is virtually half & half Polaris / Economy which will be a sight to see!

Where is this seat map that you saw? Can you share it?
 
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Fri Dec 01, 2017 4:09 pm

cosyr wrote:
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I think the old 772's in Polaris will wind up looking great, by the seat map I saw, she is virtually half & half Polaris / Economy which will be a sight to see!

Where is this seat map that you saw? Can you share it?


I can't find it right now but the seat map for the 77Es are on this thread...I think CALTECH posted it.

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Fri Dec 01, 2017 5:00 pm

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Regarding the 763s, I can't imagine that they won't keep the new Polaris 763s separate from the other two class 763s. With 14 Polaris 763s, would they be able to do something like dedicating them to LHR routes?

LHR-
EWR 5x, ORD 3x, IAD 3x

Currently the one(as of today, two) Polaris 763 have been flowing between EWR-Euro and IAH- S.Am. routes. Once more are in service who knows what will happen :fluffy:
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2017

Fri Dec 01, 2017 5:54 pm

STT757 wrote:
Regarding the 763s, I can't imagine that they won't keep the new Polaris 763s separate from the other two class 763s. With 14 Polaris 763s, would they be able to do something like dedicating them to LHR routes?

LHR-
EWR 5x, ORD 3x, IAD 3x

The United Polaris site is saying EWR-Europe, ORD-Europe, IAH-Europe, and IAH-South America: http://view.ceros.com/united/polaris-tr ... ktop-4/p/9
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Fri Dec 01, 2017 6:40 pm

codc10 wrote:
STT757 wrote:
cosyr wrote:
It would be a capacity drop from IAH, but throw in DEN, when that starts, and the 77W from SFO, and they could almost advertise all Polaris to LHR, if not for LAX.


I thought there were performance issues with the 763 from DEN, which is why it's a 787. For IAH they could use the 777-222ERs when they get reconfigured, should begin soon, and the same for LAX. They could even wait an go with the 787-10, those will be delivered with Polaris.


You're correct, a 763ER from DEN in the summer to LHR would likely be weight restricted.

And definitely even more so on the return!
 
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Fri Dec 01, 2017 8:52 pm

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Fri Dec 01, 2017 8:53 pm

audidudi wrote:
codc10 wrote:
STT757 wrote:

I thought there were performance issues with the 763 from DEN, which is why it's a 787. For IAH they could use the 777-222ERs when they get reconfigured, should begin soon, and the same for LAX. They could even wait an go with the 787-10, those will be delivered with Polaris.


You're correct, a 763ER from DEN in the summer to LHR would likely be weight restricted.

And definitely even more so on the return!

Why would the return be restricted? Wouldn't the weight only be a problem when taking off from the high altitude? Once the plane has flown from LHR, it would have burned off most of the fuel by the time of landing at DEN (which is 200 miles shorter than IAH, and which has used a shorter range 764 many times, without restriction.) DEN-LHR east bound seems like the only one that would have a restriction.

Also, how much of a restriction would this face? Wasn't this one of the points of making a 16000 ft runway at DEN?
 
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Fri Dec 01, 2017 9:30 pm

cosyr wrote:
audidudi wrote:
codc10 wrote:

You're correct, a 763ER from DEN in the summer to LHR would likely be weight restricted.

And definitely even more so on the return!

Why would the return be restricted? Wouldn't the weight only be a problem when taking off from the high altitude? Once the plane has flown from LHR, it would have burned off most of the fuel by the time of landing at DEN (which is 200 miles shorter than IAH, and which has used a shorter range 764 many times, without restriction.) DEN-LHR east bound seems like the only one that would have a restriction.

Also, how much of a restriction would this face? Wasn't this one of the points of making a 16000 ft runway at DEN?

Strong headwinds perhaps going westbound? Most flights from Europe to North America take anything from 1-2 more hours flying time than going eastbound. When I dispatched HP flights from PHX>the east coast back in the day, we often had restricted payloads because of the hot temperatures in the summer months. I don't recall any of our flights from DEN and COS ever being payload restricted however, but we were only flying A319/A320s and B752s within the US.
 
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Fri Dec 01, 2017 9:41 pm

audidudi wrote:
cosyr wrote:
audidudi wrote:
And definitely even more so on the return!

Why would the return be restricted? Wouldn't the weight only be a problem when taking off from the high altitude? Once the plane has flown from LHR, it would have burned off most of the fuel by the time of landing at DEN (which is 200 miles shorter than IAH, and which has used a shorter range 764 many times, without restriction.) DEN-LHR east bound seems like the only one that would have a restriction.

Also, how much of a restriction would this face? Wasn't this one of the points of making a 16000 ft runway at DEN?

Strong headwinds perhaps going westbound? Most flights from Europe to North America take anything from 1-2 more hours flying time than going eastbound. When I dispatched HP flights from PHX>the east coast back in the day, we often had restricted payloads because of the hot temperatures in the summer months. I don't recall any of our flights from DEN and COS ever being payload restricted however, but we were only flying A319/A320s and B752s within the US.

UA ran the 763s from SFO-CDG for several years, and AFAIK they weren't restricted on any regular basis. The issue with DEN is density altitude, not range or headwinds on the return. Condor operates FRA-LAS and is set to operate to PHX in May on the 763, and again, the issue there won't be the westbound leg, but they may have some restrictions eastbound just to get off the runway. Based on the times of their PHX flight though, it probably won't be an issue. The 763 is a pretty capable airplane even if she is getting a little old.
 
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Fri Dec 01, 2017 9:51 pm

United1 wrote:
cosyr wrote:
VC10er wrote:
I think the old 772's in Polaris will wind up looking great, by the seat map I saw, she is virtually half & half Polaris / Economy which will be a sight to see!

Where is this seat map that you saw? Can you share it?


I can't find it right now but the seat map for the 77Es are on this thread...I think CALTECH posted it.

50J on the 77Es

The footprint remains the same. Even when PE is added the seat count remains roughly the same as it is now give or take a few regular economy seats.
 
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Re: United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2017

Fri Dec 01, 2017 9:51 pm

atcsundevil wrote:
audidudi wrote:
cosyr wrote:
Why would the return be restricted? Wouldn't the weight only be a problem when taking off from the high altitude? Once the plane has flown from LHR, it would have burned off most of the fuel by the time of landing at DEN (which is 200 miles shorter than IAH, and which has used a shorter range 764 many times, without restriction.) DEN-LHR east bound seems like the only one that would have a restriction.

Also, how much of a restriction would this face? Wasn't this one of the points of making a 16000 ft runway at DEN?

Strong headwinds perhaps going westbound? Most flights from Europe to North America take anything from 1-2 more hours flying time than going eastbound. When I dispatched HP flights from PHX>the east coast back in the day, we often had restricted payloads because of the hot temperatures in the summer months. I don't recall any of our flights from DEN and COS ever being payload restricted however, but we were only flying A319/A320s and B752s within the US.

UA ran the 763s from SFO-CDG for several years, and AFAIK they weren't restricted on any regular basis. The issue with DEN is density altitude, not range or headwinds on the return. Condor operates FRA-LAS and is set to operate to PHX in May on the 763, and again, the issue there won't be the westbound leg, but they may have some restrictions eastbound just to get off the runway. Based on the times of their PHX flight though, it probably won't be an issue. The 763 is a pretty capable airplane even if she is getting a little old.


I seem to recall the issue with the 767 at DEN is tyre speed.
 
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Fri Dec 01, 2017 11:20 pm

airzim wrote:
atcsundevil wrote:
audidudi wrote:
Strong headwinds perhaps going westbound? Most flights from Europe to North America take anything from 1-2 more hours flying time than going eastbound. When I dispatched HP flights from PHX>the east coast back in the day, we often had restricted payloads because of the hot temperatures in the summer months. I don't recall any of our flights from DEN and COS ever being payload restricted however, but we were only flying A319/A320s and B752s within the US.

UA ran the 763s from SFO-CDG for several years, and AFAIK they weren't restricted on any regular basis. The issue with DEN is density altitude, not range or headwinds on the return. Condor operates FRA-LAS and is set to operate to PHX in May on the 763, and again, the issue there won't be the westbound leg, but they may have some restrictions eastbound just to get off the runway. Based on the times of their PHX flight though, it probably won't be an issue. The 763 is a pretty capable airplane even if she is getting a little old.


I seem to recall the issue with the 767 at DEN is tyre speed.

I've never thought about that. What are they rated for? DId the Concorde have different tires?
 
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IN PROCESS INTERIOR/EXTERIOR MODIFICATIONS (Compact view of current and past)

POLARIS BF SEATS: 16/143 - Not sure all fleets will get Polaris
763 - 2/35 644/649
764 - 0/16
772 - 0/55 (excludes 19 772A Doimnestic)
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788 - 0/12
789 - 0/21 (4 new deliveries to come, 2 in 2017)

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73G: (23/40) COMPLETE 3701-3704,3706-3711,3713-3715,3718,3720,3730,3732,3734-3735,3751-3754
738: (133/141) REMAINING 3519-3522,3525-3528 (3201-3292,3501-2527: 16F/54E+/96Y), (3528-3542: 16F/48E+/102Y), (3293-3299: 16F/42E+/108Y GUM)
739A: (12/12) ALL COMPLETE (20F/42E+/117Y)
739E: (136/136) ALL COMPLETE (3413-3442,3811-3899: 20/42E+/117Y) (3443-3810: 20F/39E+/120Y)

737NG Split Scimitar Wingets (328/329 = 99.7%) 73G/738/739ER Completed
739A: (11/12): Without 3405

763 2 Class mod for 21 aircraft: (Other 14: 664-677 completed in 2012/13) - All have Winglets
B763 (9/21=23.8%) 644/649(Polaris) 652-653,657-658,661-663 Complete - In HKG mod: 648,656
763 Winglets on 3 class aircraft: 641,654,660

752: Scimitar Winglets (no bottom strake) (38/41=80.5%) Remaining: 3126/3130/3141

753 110V Power F/E+: 11/12 TZ build: without 3868 (to recieve with upcoming slimline mod)
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B722A In-Seat Power Completed 9 former Hawaiian units

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DirecTV (216* sCO aircraft) [*Not Counting GUM, Ex-GUM, Ex-TZ, Ex-Copa, 2016 and later deliveries]

A319/A320 new interior bin doors Complete

A319/A320 New Slimline Y Recaro 3520 seats Complete

738/73G Guam reassignment Complete:

752 New ps Configuration Completed on 15 sUA units

753 ETOPS Completed on 21 units

Fleets Removed from UA Fleet
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Sat Dec 02, 2017 1:32 am

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I seem to recall the issue with the 767 at DEN is tyre speed.

Higher density altitude would result in a higher landing/rotation speed, but 767s have operated in DEN for years without an issue. I just don't think it would quite have the legs to make it out of DEN with a full load headed to Europe.
 
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