United Fleet Upgrade Status - 2017

springtx · Wed Apr 05, 2017 9:59 am

Any information on how long the 3 777-300 will be in Short Term Storage?

intotheair · Wed Apr 05, 2017 3:17 pm

This flew a little under the radar (at least I didn't see this here), but UA has selected a manufacturer for economy seats on the 787-10, A350, and 739MAX. UA will be the B/E Aerospace launch customer of the Aspire seat on the 787-10 and A350 and the Meridian seat on the 739MAX. I couldn't find any pictures of what they look like.

https://runwaygirlnetwork.com/2017/04/0 ... n-seating/

Now that UA is selecting seats for the A350, I wonder if the cancellation "rumors" will finally subside?

United1 · Wed Apr 05, 2017 3:35 pm

intotheair wrote:
This flew a little under the radar (at least I didn't see this here), but UA has selected a manufacturer for economy seats on the 787-10, A350, and 739MAX. UA will be the B/E Aerospace launch customer of the Aspire seat on the 787-10 and A350 and the Meridian seat on the 739MAX. I couldn't find any pictures of what they look like.

https://runwaygirlnetwork.com/2017/04/0 ... n-seating/

Now that UA is selecting seats for the A350, I wonder if the cancellation "rumors" will finally subside?

UA will also use Aspire seats on the 772 retrofits.

http://www.businesswire.com/news/home/2 ... Main-Cabin

Can't find anything on Aspire but WN is using a derivative Meridian on their newest aircraft.

http://www.airlinereporter.com/2015/10/ ... ian-seats/

Sounds like UAs will be slightly different with a tablet holder and in seat power.

iahcsr · Wed Apr 05, 2017 3:58 pm

springtx wrote:
Any information on how long the 3 777-300 will be in Short Term Storage?

Therein lies several possibilities. See one above at reply 391.
Another consideration is that at least two of the three are now officially owned by UA and are costing them big :dollarsign:

just sitting in bubblewrap.

fun2fly · Wed Apr 05, 2017 3:59 pm

intotheair wrote:
This flew a little under the radar (at least I didn't see this here), but UA has selected a manufacturer for economy seats on the 787-10, A350, and 739MAX. UA will be the B/E Aerospace launch customer of the Aspire seat on the 787-10 and A350 and the Meridian seat on the 739MAX. I couldn't find any pictures of what they look like.

https://runwaygirlnetwork.com/2017/04/0 ... n-seating/

Now that UA is selecting seats for the A350, I wonder if the cancellation "rumors" will finally subside?

Do we know how many 787-10, A350 and 739MAX will arrive in 2018? That's a pretty big year for UA tech ops to introduce 3 new units + a pretty comprehensive Polaris, Used Unit Induction and Slimline retro fit program.

iahcsr · Thu Apr 06, 2017 1:13 am

fun2fly wrote:
intotheair wrote:
This flew a little under the radar (at least I didn't see this here), but UA has selected a manufacturer for economy seats on the 787-10, A350, and 739MAX. UA will be the B/E Aerospace launch customer of the Aspire seat on the 787-10 and A350 and the Meridian seat on the 739MAX. I couldn't find any pictures of what they look like.

https://runwaygirlnetwork.com/2017/04/0 ... n-seating/

Now that UA is selecting seats for the A350, I wonder if the cancellation "rumors" will finally subside?

Do we know how many 787-10, A350 and 739MAX will arrive in 2018? That's a pretty big year for UA tech ops to introduce 3 new units + a pretty comprehensive Polaris, Used Unit Induction and Slimline retro fit program.

Any knowledge (or just guesses) what registration groupings UA plans for these new types? NxxYYY or NyyyyU (doubt any NyyyUA) 78X likely Nxx980-994, A350 bet NyyyyU, Max Nyy601-99 :confused:

CALTECH · Thu Apr 06, 2017 5:16 am

Didn't notice it before, but as more and more of United's 757-224s get Scimitar winglets installed, noticed a couple of things. The ailerons look as though they received some work, there are patches on the outboard lower edge of the ailerons. ?The Scimitar tip caps, but also a approximately 6 inch extension of the trailing edge outboard of the ailerons with a noticeable downward curve.

iahcsr · Fri Apr 07, 2017 12:23 am

777W
N59034 or just 34, has been in 'induction' at SFO since 23rd Mar. That's quite a long time... what's up with that? :confused:

LAXintl · Fri Apr 07, 2017 12:45 am

Looks like Houston 787 base future might be in doubt.
Starting winter, IAH base 787 flying will be moved to IAD. 4 IAD routes - CDG, GRU, LHR and PEK will be flown on the 787.
Current IAH 787 flights will be backfilled using 763 and 772 equipment.

jetmatt777 · Fri Apr 07, 2017 1:32 am

LAXintl wrote:
Looks like Houston 787 base future might be in doubt.
Starting winter, IAH base 787 flying will be moved to IAD. 4 IAD routes - CDG, GRU, LHR and PEK will be flown on the 787.
Current IAH 787 flights will be backfilled using 763 and 772 equipment.

I wonder how this will affect DEN-NRT, will it then be rotated through IAD?

KVH68 · Fri Apr 07, 2017 1:55 am

iahcsr wrote:
777W
N59034 or just 34, has been in 'induction' at SFO since 23rd Mar. That's quite a long time... what's up with that?

This aircraft is scheduled to be released from maintenance on April 9. They have been calling in Cabin and R&E skill overtime to work on it for many days now. If you have access to TOCS 2.0, you can see that there is A LOT of work that goes into getting the airplane ready. SFO can only induct one airplane at a time since there isn't enough hangar space and man power.

CONTACREW · Fri Apr 07, 2017 2:05 am

jetmatt777 wrote:
LAXintl wrote:
Looks like Houston 787 base future might be in doubt.
Starting winter, IAH base 787 flying will be moved to IAD. 4 IAD routes - CDG, GRU, LHR and PEK will be flown on the 787.
Current IAH 787 flights will be backfilled using 763 and 772 equipment.

I wonder how this will affect DEN-NRT, will it then be rotated through IAD?

That or rotate with an SFO flight .

codc10 · Fri Apr 07, 2017 3:13 am

I wonder if a 787 pilot domicile will open at IAD?

iahcsr · Fri Apr 07, 2017 3:15 am

KVH68 wrote:
iahcsr wrote:
777W
N59034 or just 34, has been in 'induction' at SFO since 23rd Mar. That's quite a long time... what's up with that?

This aircraft is scheduled to be released from maintenance on April 9. They have been calling in Cabin and R&E skill overtime to work on it for many days now. If you have access to TOCS 2.0, you can see that there is A LOT of work that goes into getting the airplane ready. SFO can only induct one airplane at a time since there isn't enough hangar space and man power.

I wish I did have TOCS access... oh well. :blush:

34 seems to be taking more time than the first three though. I expected the one-at-a-time, since 35 is in SEA.

LAXintl · Fri Apr 07, 2017 3:32 am

codc10 wrote:
I wonder if a 787 pilot domicile will open at IAD?

Most likely, but as first step they just issued NPDM to ALPA about IAH base changes.

calpsafltskeds · Fri Apr 07, 2017 4:30 am

763:
N671UA exited SFO 2783/6Apr

772:
N798UA exited VCV paint 2802/4Apr - is this the shabby looking 772 I saw on Twitter?

788:
N26910 exited PVG 890/7Apr
N28912 entered PVG 891/5Apr

fun2fly · Fri Apr 07, 2017 2:46 pm

LAXintl wrote:
Looks like Houston 787 base future might be in doubt.
Starting winter, IAH base 787 flying will be moved to IAD. 4 IAD routes - CDG, GRU, LHR and PEK will be flown on the 787.
Current IAH 787 flights will be backfilled using 763 and 772 equipment.

A nice selection of flights for IAD. How many units? UA has one new one in Aug and two in Dec, one in Jan, one in Feb so I'm surprised at the need to remove from IAH as they will have lift coming online.

I think we should get used to these changes over the next 18 months with the 77W, 5 78('s, + ? 78J + ? A350 to be delivered between now and the end of 2018.

United1 · Fri Apr 07, 2017 2:58 pm

fun2fly wrote:
LAXintl wrote:
Looks like Houston 787 base future might be in doubt.
Starting winter, IAH base 787 flying will be moved to IAD. 4 IAD routes - CDG, GRU, LHR and PEK will be flown on the 787.
Current IAH 787 flights will be backfilled using 763 and 772 equipment.

A nice selection of flights for IAD. How many units? UA has one new one in Aug and two in Dec, one in Jan, one in Feb so I'm surprised at the need to remove from IAH as they will have lift coming online.

I think we should get used to these changes over the next 18 months with the 77W, 5 78('s, + ? 78J + ? A350 to be delivered between now and the end of 2018.

There is a post on another thread suggesting UA has deferred the 350s for now...apparently their first 5 production slots have been allocated to other airlines.

FSDan · Fri Apr 07, 2017 3:11 pm

jetmatt777 wrote:
LAXintl wrote:
Looks like Houston 787 base future might be in doubt.
Starting winter, IAH base 787 flying will be moved to IAD. 4 IAD routes - CDG, GRU, LHR and PEK will be flown on the 787.
Current IAH 787 flights will be backfilled using 763 and 772 equipment.

I wonder how this will affect DEN-NRT, will it then be rotated through IAD?

I think it'll come from SFO. In the summer schedule, that's already kind of happening with the 787 rotation through DEN being IAH-DEN-NRT-DEN-SFO (there are 2x SFO-IAH flights on the 788 and 1x IAH-SFO).

Also, this summer IAD already has two 789 flights: IAD-CDG and the late IAD-LHR. The routings are SFO-LHR-IAD-LHR-SFO and SFO-CDG-IAD-CDG-SFO. I wonder if IAD-GRU and IAD-PEK will be on the 788 or the 789? I'd think IAH-GIG will go back to a 772 from the current 788. That's actually the only international 787 flight from IAH this summer as IAH-FRA has been moved back to the 772.

LAXintl · Fri Apr 07, 2017 3:48 pm

Media picking up on the IAD 787 move.

United moving 787 flying from Houston to Washington Dulles
https://www.usatoday.com/story/travel/f ... 100163660/

United shifts 787s to Washington Dulles from Houston
https://www.flightglobal.com/news/artic ... on-436040/

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AVENSAB727 · Fri Apr 07, 2017 5:34 pm

Sad to see IAH lose the 787 base, even though it is being back filled with 777 and 763 equipment which is a upgauge in capacity.

cruiseshipcrew · Fri Apr 07, 2017 9:09 pm

Interesting comment from the A350 thread.

N14AZ wrote:
KarelXWB just posted this information on the A350-production-thread. I thought it's worth to post it here...

KarelXWB wrote:
According to the latest firing order, United Airlines' A350 production slots have been axed/swapped:

> MSN 194: UA #1, not built
> MSN 222: UA #2, not built
> MSN 237: UA #3, Qatar Airways
> MSN 264: UA #4, Cathay Pacific
> MSN 272: UA #5, China Eastern Airlines

calpsafltskeds · Sat Apr 08, 2017 3:12 am

752:
N48127 exited RFD 2803/7Apr with scimitars
N29129 entered RFD 2802/7Apr for same
15 of 41 complete

UA Express:

E175:
N207SY scheduled delivery to Skywest on 8Apr
N208SY scheduled delivery to Skywest on 8Apr

E145X:
N11187 entered revenue service with CommutAir on 6Apr (13th jet in their fleet)

E145:
N14923 has left the fleet sold to Southern Aircraft Consultancy

AA737-823 · Sat Apr 08, 2017 3:28 am

cruiseshipcrew wrote:
Interesting comment from the A350 thread.

N14AZ wrote:
KarelXWB just posted this information on the A350-production-thread. I thought it's worth to post it here...

KarelXWB wrote:
According to the latest firing order, United Airlines' A350 production slots have been axed/swapped:

> MSN 194: UA #1, not built
> MSN 222: UA #2, not built
> MSN 237: UA #3, Qatar Airways
> MSN 264: UA #4, Cathay Pacific
> MSN 272: UA #5, China Eastern Airlines

If true, that's indeed noteworthy, and a.net might just break the Internet, between the "I told you so" and the "Fake News!" commentators.

hkcanadaexpat · Sat Apr 08, 2017 4:50 am

763:
N642UA did a test flight in XMN on 4/8. Scheduled to exit XMN 4/9 XMN-GUM-HNL (UA 2690/2817).
Most likely maintenance but hopeful it has Polaris

weekendppl · Sat Apr 08, 2017 5:02 am

iahcsr wrote:
I wish I did have TOCS access... oh well. 34 seems to be taking more time than the first three though. I expected the one-at-a-time, since 35 is in SEA.

I've wondered about what all kinds of things are in this induction process too. Isn't the aircraft as-delivered at PAE finished to United's specs? Just put the United-branded stuff in the seat back pockets and go? It just seems like Boeing Everett is better equipped to build the aircraft than UAL Maintenance SFO.

I'm certain there's a lot I don't understand. But I'm teachable.

CONTACREW · Sat Apr 08, 2017 5:06 am

hkcanadaexpat wrote:
763:
N642UA did a test flight in XMN on 4/8. Scheduled to exit XMN 4/9 XMN-GUM-HNL (UA 2690/2817).
Most likely maintenance but hopeful it has Polaris

Just MX. No Polaris still in 3-cabin configuration.

strfyr51 · Sat Apr 08, 2017 5:29 am

intotheair wrote:
This flew a little under the radar (at least I didn't see this here), but UA has selected a manufacturer for economy seats on the 787-10, A350, and 739MAX. UA will be the B/E Aerospace launch customer of the Aspire seat on the 787-10 and A350 and the Meridian seat on the 739MAX. I couldn't find any pictures of what they look like.

https://runwaygirlnetwork.com/2017/04/0 ... n-seating/

Now that UA is selecting seats for the A350, I wonder if the cancellation "rumors" will finally subside?

It should because it's hig udgement until the
airplanes
hly likely we're getting the airplanes. I think Senior management frittered away too much time with indecision in Not taking them and now has to "Fish or cut bait". Since it Appears we're preparing to get them this entire conversation appears to be academic BUT!! I'll reserve my final judgement until the 'airplanes are on the
ground at SFO sitting in front of Dock 1 or OR Dock 2 going through receiving inspections. I'll be retired by then but I live in the
area and I'll sure come to town to see them.. I'll be leaving with my Iconic B747 later this year. I was here with the B747-122, -123. -238B - SP21,-SP27. -222B,-422 and -451's the B737--222,-291,-322,-522. the A319, A320. The B757-222 and B767-322 I'm happy I saw them worked on them and trained on them.

dcaviation · Sat Apr 08, 2017 4:12 pm

Nobody mentioned it, but on March 20th N2331U visited IAD for gate fitting. It came from SFO and continued to LHR.

TheGeordielad · Sat Apr 08, 2017 5:00 pm

How many UA B77Ws are in service and what hubs apart from SFO will they be based at?

springtx · Sat Apr 08, 2017 5:08 pm

dcaviation wrote:
Nobody mentioned it, but on March 20th N2331U visited IAD for gate fitting. It came from SFO and continued to LHR.

It returned back to SFO

20-Mar-2017 B77W San Francisco Intl (KSFO) Washington Dulles Intl (KIAD) 07:57AM PDT 03:11PM EDT 4:13
20-Mar-2017 B77W Washington Dulles Intl (KIAD) San Francisco Intl (KSFO) 05:58PM EDT 08:18PM PDT 5:20

Menzenski · Sat Apr 08, 2017 5:32 pm

dcaviation wrote:
Nobody mentioned it, but on March 20th N2331U visited IAD for gate fitting. It came from SFO and continued to LHR.

I posted a picture in another thread.

audidudi · Sat Apr 08, 2017 5:58 pm

dcaviation wrote:
Nobody mentioned it, but on March 20th N2331U visited IAD for gate fitting. It came from SFO and continued to LHR.

Not wishing to dispute what you wrote here, but FlightAware says it returned to SFO after just under 3 hours on the ground at IAD on March 20th, and it has never even visited LHR!

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N2331U/history/160

dcaviation · Sat Apr 08, 2017 9:16 pm

audidudi wrote:
dcaviation wrote:
Nobody mentioned it, but on March 20th N2331U visited IAD for gate fitting. It came from SFO and continued to LHR.

Not wishing to dispute what you wrote here, but FlightAware says it returned to SFO after just under 3 hours on the ground at IAD on March 20th, and it has never even visited LHR!

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N2331U/history/160

You are right. Sorry. I've been told that it's going to LHR from IAD, but later that day when I checked it went to SFO.
I don't know why I wrote LHR.

redrooster3 · Sat Apr 08, 2017 11:34 pm

hkcanadaexpat wrote:
763:
N642UA did a test flight in XMN on 4/8. Scheduled to exit XMN 4/9 XMN-GUM-HNL (UA 2690/2817).
Most likely maintenance but hopeful it has Polaris

Were winglets installed while in Maintenance? I've seen a few UA 763s without winglets...come to do some research; I found out all the non-winglet ones are old 3-class configs. So I was curious if UA decided to add them on while its there in MX.

atcsundevil · Sun Apr 09, 2017 1:48 am

redrooster3 wrote:
Were winglets installed while in Maintenance? I've seen a few UA 763s without winglets...come to do some research; I found out all the non-winglet ones are old 3-class configs. So I was curious if UA decided to add them on while its there in MX.

When the first batch were converted to two class, they received winglets at the same time while in mod. I assume that the new conversions will be similar, but the major issue hanging things up right now is the availability of Polaris seats.

iahcsr · Sun Apr 09, 2017 5:43 am

TheGeordielad wrote:
How many UA B77Ws are in service and what hubs apart from SFO will they be based at?

As of right now only three are flying passengers between EWR-SFO-HKG. Two more are undergoing UA 'induction' and not flying customers as of yet. Three are in 'temporary storage' at PAE waiting on Polaris seats. Two others are in flight testing (most likely without said seats)

TheGeordielad · Sun Apr 09, 2017 10:03 am

iahcsr wrote:
TheGeordielad wrote:
How many UA B77Ws are in service and what hubs apart from SFO will they be based at?

As of right now only three are flying passengers between EWR-SFO-HKG. Two more are undergoing UA 'induction' and not flying customers as of yet. Three are in 'temporary storage' at PAE waiting on Polaris seats. Two others are in flight testing (most likely without said seats)

Ok thanks for the update are Newark and San Francisco the only airports with the B77W based there?

iahcsr · Sun Apr 09, 2017 2:31 pm

TheGeordielad wrote:
iahcsr wrote:
TheGeordielad wrote:
How many UA B77Ws are in service and what hubs apart from SFO will they be based at?

As of right now only three are flying passengers between EWR-SFO-HKG. Two more are undergoing UA 'induction' and not flying customers as of yet. Three are in 'temporary storage' at PAE waiting on Polaris seats. Two others are in flight testing (most likely without said seats)

Ok thanks for the update are Newark and San Francisco the only airports with the B77W based there?

As of now SFO is the 'base' and EWR/HKG are the only destinations. I've heard the ultimate goal is SFO/EWR.

jfidler · Mon Apr 10, 2017 4:38 am

LAXintl wrote:
Looks like Houston 787 base future might be in doubt.
Starting winter, IAH base 787 flying will be moved to IAD. 4 IAD routes - CDG, GRU, LHR and PEK will be flown on the 787.

Glad to hear that. IAD-PEK is currently on a 772 with the dreaded 2-4-2 config in C. With the 787, it will be a 2-2-2 layout. I've avoided UA on this route specifically because of the 2-4-2 config.

I did a sample pricing in November and it's still showing the 772 on the route, but I imagine they will update it in the system soon.

calpsafltskeds · Tue Apr 11, 2017 4:41 am

319:
N825UA officially ahs ISP and new F Seats

320:
Followiung now show ISP/ on United.com
N427UA, N433UA, N460UA, N462UA, N463UA

73G:
N16703 entered MIA 2798/7Apr, possible slimlines
N54711 sked to exit IAH 1284/11Apr with slimlines/new F seats - conversion at IAH

752:
N12109 entered RFD 2797/9Apr for scimitars
N18119 entered MIA 2719/9Apr for scimitars
N67134 exited RFD 2796/9Apr with scimitars

772:
N78001 exited HKG 180/11Apr
N78003 entered HKG 179/9Apr

77W:
N2140U first flight 4/6/17
N2639U back in PAE after paint in PDX

iahcsr · Tue Apr 11, 2017 5:25 am

"77W:
N2140U first flight 4/6/17
N2639U back in PAE after paint in PDX"

Ah, but the question is what sort of paint? Standard or something extra?

boefan · Tue Apr 11, 2017 5:44 am

iahcsr wrote:
"77W:
N2140U first flight 4/6/17
N2639U back in PAE after paint in PDX"

Ah, but the question is what sort of paint? Standard or something extra?

N2639U United Airlines Boeing 777-300(ER) - C/N 62650 / LN 1486 by Woodys Aeroimages, on Flickr

VC10er · Tue Apr 11, 2017 9:50 am

Are the delivery problems they are experiencing with the Polaris seats effecting the scheduled refits of the 767's and 772's?

Also, I read here that UA was considering a newly designed E+ seat, not just a regular Y seat with extra legroom, but a larger seat, better recline and footrest - any truth to that?

fun2fly · Tue Apr 11, 2017 9:56 am

iahcsr wrote:
"
Ah, but the question is what sort of paint? Standard or something extra?

Ugh, how boring....I hope this one at least has seats.

cosyr · Tue Apr 11, 2017 1:03 pm

VC10er wrote:
Are the delivery problems they are experiencing with the Polaris seats effecting the scheduled refits of the 767's and 772's?

Also, I read here that UA was considering a newly designed E+ seat, not just a regular Y seat with extra legroom, but a larger seat, better recline and footrest - any truth to that?

United has said they are exploring true Premium Economy, but it probably won't be an upgrade to economy plus. That way they'll still be able to charge extra for exit rows and such. We don't yet know the details, but I'm sure they are serious about it, as DL and AA have already announced it. Unfortunately, no time frame mentioned, but I would expect an announcement later this year, putting UA only a year behind competition, despite having introduced Y+ 10 years before AA and DL copied that.

hkcanadaexpat · Wed Apr 12, 2017 3:00 am

CONTACREW wrote:
hkcanadaexpat wrote:
763:
N642UA did a test flight in XMN on 4/8. Scheduled to exit XMN 4/9 XMN-GUM-HNL (UA 2690/2817).
Most likely maintenance but hopeful it has Polaris

Just MX. No Polaris still in 3-cabin configuration.

Unfortunately you are correct

N642UA back in operations tonight on ORD-LHR. So looks like simple heavy maintenance in XMN. No Polaris. No stripping of F class. No winglets. No nothing!

audidudi · Wed Apr 12, 2017 3:06 am

hkcanadaexpat wrote:
Unfortunately you are correct N642UA back in operations tonight on ORD-LHR. So looks like simple heavy maintenance in XMN. No Polaris. No stripping of F class. No winglets. No nothing!

Just a small correction here...it's actually en route from ORD>CDG!

United1 · Wed Apr 12, 2017 3:30 am

VC10er wrote:
Are the delivery problems they are experiencing with the Polaris seats effecting the scheduled refits of the 767's and 772's?

I believe they don't plan on starting the 772 retrofits until next year and the 763s were put on hold until UA finishes reviewing its widebody fleet plan. Might hear something about that on the upcoming earnings conference call.

fun2fly · Wed Apr 12, 2017 9:54 am

United1 wrote:
VC10er wrote:
Are the delivery problems they are experiencing with the Polaris seats effecting the scheduled refits of the 767's and 772's?

I believe they don't plan on starting the 772 retrofits until next year and the 763s were put on hold until UA finishes reviewing its widebody fleet plan. Might hear something about that on the upcoming earnings conference call.

If they keep these birds, probably makes sense to put them in the old pmCO lie flat config like their sisters. With a lifespan of less than 10 years or so, they would be the last converted. Makes more sense to upgrade the longer term 777's and 764's first, especially PMUA 777's. Using the used seats would achieve two goals: 1) lower capital costs and 2) alleviate whatever issue the seat manufacturer is having with delivery.

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